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Link Posted: 11/8/2013 9:53:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: TheSpins] [#1]
Prayers for everyone.

ETA gofundme.com
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 9:58:29 AM EST
[#2]
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Originally Posted By chromefish:
Prayers this AM for Jeff and family...

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This
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 10:05:58 AM EST
[#3]
I hope today brings good news for Jeff or at least less pain.

Prayers sent

Link Posted: 11/8/2013 10:09:32 AM EST
[#4]
Just when you think that the world is going to hell in a hand basket something like this tread comes along to show that there are still some decent people left.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 10:16:40 AM EST
[#5]
Anyone going to visit with Jeff today?
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 10:17:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:


I cannot think of better words  for Jeff's case.

THERE IS VICTORY IN PRAYER.

Of everything posted in this thread, those words move me to tears.  They ring so true to my soul.  I've been hospitalized near death twice in the past ten years.  I felt the power of prayers for me and the comfort they brought.  I know that Jeff is surely feeling that now.

God bless and keep Jeff, Reta and their children.  God bless the doctors and staff tending to Jeff,  God bless everyone who's read this amazing story of humanity on display.  We pray for a happy ending in Jeff's illness, but whatever happens at this point will be Jeff's victory.  A victory over the cancer or the victory of Jeff's eternal life over the pain and suffering of what has befallen him in this life.  And it will be God's victory because every soul that has been touched by this episode is surely moved a step closer to God, whether they know it or are willing to admit it or not.

God bless you Jeff.  Get well brother, please get well.  I'd like to get to meet you and see you go shooting with your son at some future Arfcom get-together.  May God make it so.  If not, I'll see you on the other side.  Either way we'll celebrate the victory in all these prayers for you.
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Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By usjet:
Almost 2 years ago after being diagnosed with melanoma on my right temple, with the probability that it had mestastasized, I went to team and asked for prayer.
In no  time prayers were being given all over the country.
After surgery and 6 months of tests and procedures I am clean.
There was victory in prayer.

Then this year, after 18 hours in the hospital with my wife close to death, I went home to get some rest, and in utter desperation again posted to team asking for prayer.
Four days later she was home. Now fully recovered and I have a hard time keeping up with her.
There was victory in prayer.

Tonight I found out my friend Mike has passed after 10 years battling cancer . He was given less than a year to live almost  10 years ago. He had told me then of his plan to go out on his own- suicide. It never happened- in the end, his faith and belief helped him ride this horse right into the ground .
We had spent years as friends- rode thousands of miles on our bikes, camping, sharing laughter and tears.
The last 3 years have been horrific.
He is free now, and in that there is victory.

And now Jeff, Reta and family.
Reaching out simply for prayer, Jeff got that and so much more. His simple request has ignited faith, love, understanding and renewal. Friendship as well.
In the midst of his terrible battle he was given another task- bringing all these things and more to hundreds around the world.
And regardless of outcome, there is victory.


Lord, we come to you now, asking that not which we want, but praying that thy will be done. We commend into your hands Jeff, Reta and family. We don 't know what the day will bring but pray we will see your hand on all of it.
We ask also for peace and understanding for all touched by you through Jeff and family, that the lessons learned, the faith and love renewed and ignited during this time will not be forgotten, that it will grow and prosper.
Through your son Jeff, many have taken up your sword, put on your armor. And so, Lord, we pray
For victory.
Amen


I cannot think of better words  for Jeff's case.

THERE IS VICTORY IN PRAYER.

Of everything posted in this thread, those words move me to tears.  They ring so true to my soul.  I've been hospitalized near death twice in the past ten years.  I felt the power of prayers for me and the comfort they brought.  I know that Jeff is surely feeling that now.

God bless and keep Jeff, Reta and their children.  God bless the doctors and staff tending to Jeff,  God bless everyone who's read this amazing story of humanity on display.  We pray for a happy ending in Jeff's illness, but whatever happens at this point will be Jeff's victory.  A victory over the cancer or the victory of Jeff's eternal life over the pain and suffering of what has befallen him in this life.  And it will be God's victory because every soul that has been touched by this episode is surely moved a step closer to God, whether they know it or are willing to admit it or not.

God bless you Jeff.  Get well brother, please get well.  I'd like to get to meet you and see you go shooting with your son at some future Arfcom get-together.  May God make it so.  If not, I'll see you on the other side.  Either way we'll celebrate the victory in all these prayers for you.



This can't be said any better than this.

Prayers for victory today.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 10:28:26 AM EST
[#7]
bump.  Praying for you Jeff.  Lord heal this man.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 10:37:14 AM EST
[#8]
Back on page 1!
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 10:37:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By usjet:
Almost 2 years ago after being diagnosed with melanoma on my right temple, with the probability that it had mestastasized, I went to team and asked for prayer.
In no  time prayers were being given all over the country.
After surgery and 6 months of tests and procedures I am clean.
There was victory in prayer.

Then this year, after 18 hours in the hospital with my wife close to death, I went home to get some rest, and in utter desperation again posted to team asking for prayer.
Four days later she was home. Now fully recovered and I have a hard time keeping up with her.
There was victory in prayer.

Tonight I found out my friend Mike has passed after 10 years battling cancer . He was given less than a year to live almost  10 years ago. He had told me then of his plan to go out on his own- suicide. It never happened- in the end, his faith and belief helped him ride this horse right into the ground .
We had spent years as friends- rode thousands of miles on our bikes, camping, sharing laughter and tears.
The last 3 years have been horrific.
He is free now, and in that there is victory.

And now Jeff, Reta and family.
Reaching out simply for prayer, Jeff got that and so much more. His simple request has ignited faith, love, understanding and renewal. Friendship as well.
In the midst of his terrible battle he was given another task- bringing all these things and more to hundreds around the world.
And regardless of outcome, there is victory.


Lord, we come to you now, asking that not which we want, but praying that thy will be done. We commend into your hands Jeff, Reta and family. We don 't know what the day will bring but pray we will see your hand on all of it.
We ask also for peace and understanding for all touched by you through Jeff and family, that the lessons learned, the faith and love renewed and ignited during this time will not be forgotten, that it will grow and prosper.
Through your son Jeff, many have taken up your sword, put on your armor. And so, Lord, we pray
For victory.
Amen
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Truly inspiring. I am humbled.
Prayers sent for Jeff,  Reta and family.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 10:52:22 AM EST
[#10]
Thoughts and prayers for Jeff and his family.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:00:50 AM EST
[#11]
I don't even know how to begin to say what I want to say. I'm not very good with words.

Jeff, you have inspired some people that I quite frankly thought would be uninspirable.

For me personally you have given me back my patience which I seem to have lost in the last several years.

I have no words to describe the number of times I've thought about you and how strongly I feel. I've been updating my wife nightly on your condition as well as talking to my kids about you.

I'll even admit to trying to find a job in TX so I could live close enough to visit you.

I'm not sure what more to say other than thank you.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:01:50 AM EST
[#12]
<more prayers inbound>
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:05:40 AM EST
[#13]
Good afternoon Jeff.

Thoughts and prayers with you today!
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:15:58 AM EST
[#14]
Bump.
Prayers sent
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:20:39 AM EST
[#15]
Prayers sent this morning to Jeff and family from Las Vegas.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:26:38 AM EST
[#16]
Here's Mike, The friend who just passed.
He's the Santa Claus- the beard and hair are real- the "padding" is not.
After he couldn't ride anymore, he road in a sidecar as APDs Santa when they made their Christmas run to All Faiths Receiving Home for the kids. It was one of his favorite things.

And for a Jewish guy, he was the best Santa Claus you ever saw.

Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:28:10 AM EST
[#17]
Prayers and good thoughts coming from Texas. Keep fighting buddy.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:36:42 AM EST
[#18]
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This ^^^


Still still praying. Has anyone talked to Reta? Do we have any updates since her post and picture?
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 11:40:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: NwG] [#19]
Good day Jeff and Family

Back on page 1 I was reading, crying and unsure where this would go. I knew ARFCOM had resources, I didn't know we had such love. Thanks again EVERYONE!

It is a huge comfort to know that even if one of us nobody to turn to, they are so very wrong. There is a strength here that could truely save lives.

There was something else. Every time I was reading this thread my wife seemed to be playing the same song in the background.. I didn't pay attention at first but it really seems to describe how this whole thing started...

It's on the electronic / dubstep side.. I know we have even converted some old timers to our modern stuff so here goes!

Song is by Krewella, two sisters and a guy. I saw them play live a few times now and they are one of the few these days that sound the same live as on recording.
Hope someone likes it








And here are the lyrics...


Is anybody there,
does anybody care
what I'm feeling?
I wanna disappear so nobody can hear me when I'm screamin'
Cus I could use a hand sometimes
Yeah I could use a hand sometimes
They say pain is an illusion
This is just a bruise and
you are just confused but
I am only human
I could use a hand sometimes
I am only human [3x]

The night is bitter cold
I wonder if you know
that I'm sleepless
Waitin' like a ghost
when I need you the most
that go unnoticed
Cus I could use a hand sometimes
Yeah I could use a hand sometimes
They say pain is an illusion
This is just a bruise and
you are just confused but
I am only human
I could use a hand sometimes
I am only human [2x]

The weight of the world is pullin' me down
(Where are you now, where are you now)
Every breathe feels like I'm gonna drown
(Where are you now, where are you now)
I'm the only one left to hold on oh
Singin' this song but can't find the words
Cus I could use a hand sometimes
Yeah I could use a hand sometimes
They say pain is an illusion
This is just a bruise and
you are just confused but
I am only human


Every time I hear it I think of what has happened here. Though it only really describes the beginning...

I hope and pray that things turn for the better. Thank you Jeff and family. Thank you ARFCOM. My heart is heavy yet changed for the better.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 12:05:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kylej86:
Prayers for everyone.

ETA gofundme.com
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Link Posted: 11/8/2013 12:22:08 PM EST
[#21]
bump
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 12:44:38 PM EST
[#22]
bump with prayers
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 12:54:56 PM EST
[#23]
Any updates?
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 12:55:33 PM EST
[#24]
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
Anyone going to visit with Jeff today?
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I really wish that I could, but Texas is a long way away from Michigan.

Instead, I will send more thoughts and prayers!
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 1:04:07 PM EST
[#25]
bump
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 1:11:36 PM EST
[#26]
Got an update this morning from Reta:

Still on the ventilator. He had a bit of time yesterday without sedation and he managed to communicate some by scribbling. He's had a bit more bleeding from both ends. We'll let him rest today and see if we can do a breathing trial again tomorrow.

Get well soon Jeff we are all pulling and praying for you.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 1:13:52 PM EST
[#27]
Prayers from the waterfront of Portland, Maine.


Link Posted: 11/8/2013 1:16:15 PM EST
[#28]
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Got an update this morning from Reta:

Still on the ventilator. He had a bit of time yesterday without sedation and he managed to communicate some by scribbling. He's had a bit more bleeding from both ends. We'll let him rest today and see if we can do a breathing trial again tomorrow.

Get well soon Jeff we are all pulling and praying for you.
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Thanks for the update!
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 1:27:31 PM EST
[#29]
Reta, you're going to have to screen his nurses a little better if they keep taking his breath away.

Thoughts & prayers are with you.thanks for the update!
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 1:30:36 PM EST
[#30]
Wow, my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family :(
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 1:38:11 PM EST
[#31]
Say no to page two!
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 2:01:02 PM EST
[#32]
Bumpski.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 2:02:06 PM EST
[#33]
Back to the top
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 2:21:14 PM EST
[#34]
bump
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 2:28:59 PM EST
[#35]
Thank you for the update.

Link Posted: 11/8/2013 2:45:06 PM EST
[#36]
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Got an update this morning from Reta:

Still on the ventilator. He had a bit of time yesterday without sedation and he managed to communicate some by scribbling. He's had a bit more bleeding from both ends. We'll let him rest today and see if we can do a breathing trial again tomorrow.

Get well soon Jeff we are all pulling and praying for you.
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Thanks for the update.

Keep up the fight Jeff!

Prayers are continuing.

Wes
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:24:16 PM EST
[#37]
Beat this like the red headed step child it is Jeff.  (cancer that is)

Prayers sent here.  And just shamelessly bumping this where it belongs.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:26:41 PM EST
[#38]
Can someone please PM Jeff and Reta's address to me?  TIA.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:32:05 PM EST
[#39]
Got it.  Thanks!!
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:32:14 PM EST
[#40]
Is there any way of removing the goal of $20,000 on Jeff's donation page ? Can it be changed to 100k ? I like to pray big
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:43:42 PM EST
[#41]
I drove past a cathedral this morning.

I'm not Catholic. I have gone to Catholic services with friends before, but, if I'm being honest --- it always felt too formal for me and I couldn't relax there. I in no way mean that as a slight against Catholicism. As a matter of fact, looking back at my experience with older eyes, I can say that what felt too formal was actually quite nice.

The point of that is ... I drove past a cathedral this morning when I was in the city. The front doors were open. I went around the block three times before I decided to stop and go through those open doors. I've never made any bones about the fact that I dance on a tightrope when it comes to religion. My faith has been shaken, restored, lost, and found. I've been angry at God. I've loved God. I've turned my back on God more than once. I am not a pious man, but I make an effort because having kids changed me. It changed how I think.

Anyway I walked through those open doors and I slipped into a pew. For a while I just sat there and looked at how gorgeous the place was. Then I kneeled down and prayed for Jeff. I prayed for a cancer cure. I prayed that Reta and the kids would find strength and love and peace. I prayed for miracles, I begged for a man to continue living for a really long time, and ... I prayed for myself as well. Because I want to be the kind of man Jeff is. I want that kind of faith. I want that kind of relationship with my wife and kids. Jeff is a good man. He is a pious man.

I don't know how long I was there but at some point a priest sat down in the pew behind me. He must have been there a while because he handed me a cloth to dry my eyes. I told him I wasn't Catholic. He said it didn't matter. We didn't talk much. He just sat behind me and I guess ... waited for me to talk if I needed to. I finally told him that a family man was dying of cancer and I was there to pray for him. Our talk was sort of like this:

Priest: You are not a Catholic, yet you came here to pray for someone else.

Me: I prayed for myself, too. To be a better man.

Priest: Don't you think walking through the door and praying for your friend has bettered you?

Me: I don't know. I hope it has.

Priest: God knows your heart. Even better than you do.

Me: Then he knows that Jeff's family needs him to beat this cancer.

Priest: I believe that God knows his purpose for all of his children. I can't tell you if your friend will survive, but I can see that his sickness has served a purpose here. With you. Just imagine what he will accomplish when it is his time to go serve with God. Great  men leave legacies that teach good men to live greater.

__________

I lit a candle.

I accepted a rosary.

And I came home with a lot on my mind.

Jeff, I hope that you know you are a GREAT man and you have done GREAT things by sharing your story here. I've seen fathers become better daddies, husbands take stock of how fortunate they are, and sons/daughters realize how fleeting life is. Thank you for that. Thank you for changing me.

God bless. You and yours continue to be in our prayers.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:48:16 PM EST
[#42]
Need this at the top ! Can it be pinned ? Will be sending over others to read. Thank you
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:50:13 PM EST
[#43]

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I drove past a cathedral this morning...



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That is pretty damn beautiful.  I really hope someone can read that to Jeff.  He should hear that story, right now, of all times.




Lots of amazing people and stories coming about because of Jeff.  He is a good man, and no matter what transpires, is creating a wonderful legacy.







More prayers for Jeff and Reta and their family tonight.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:51:29 PM EST
[#44]
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Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
I drove past a cathedral this morning.

I'm not Catholic. I have gone to Catholic services with friends before, but, if I'm being honest --- it always felt too formal for me and I couldn't relax there. I in no way mean that as a slight against Catholicism. As a matter of fact, looking back at my experience with older eyes, I can say that what felt too formal was actually quite nice.

The point of that is ... I drove past a cathedral this morning when I was in the city. The front doors were open. I went around the block three times before I decided to stop and go through those open doors. I've never made any bones about the fact that I dance on a tightrope when it comes to religion. My faith has been shaken, restored, lost, and found. I've been angry at God. I've loved God. I've turned my back on God more than once. I am not a pious man, but I make an effort because having kids changed me. It changed how I think.

Anyway I walked through those open doors and I slipped into a pew. For a while I just sat there and looked at how gorgeous the place was. Then I kneeled down and prayed for Jeff. I prayed for a cancer cure. I prayed that Reta and the kids would find strength and love and peace. I prayed for miracles, I begged for a man to continue living for a really long time, and ... I prayed for myself as well. Because I want to be the kind of man Jeff is. I want that kind of faith. I want that kind of relationship with my wife and kids. Jeff is a good man. He is a pious man.

I don't know how long I was there but at some point a priest sat down in the pew behind me. He must have been there a while because he handed me a cloth to dry my eyes. I told him I wasn't Catholic. He said it didn't matter. We didn't talk much. He just sat behind me and I guess ... waited for me to talk if I needed to. I finally told him that a family man was dying of cancer and I was there to pray for him. Our talk was sort of like this:

Priest: You are not a Catholic, yet you came here to pray for someone else.

Me: I prayed for myself, too. To be a better man.

Priest: Don't you think walking through the door and praying for your friend has bettered you?

Me: I don't know. I hope it has.

Priest: God knows your heart. Even better than you do.

Me: Then he knows that Jeff's family needs him to beat this cancer.

Priest: I believe that God knows his purpose for all of his children. I can't tell you if your friend will survive, but I can see that his sickness has served a purpose here. With you. Just imagine what he will accomplish when it is his time to go serve with God. Great  men leave legacies that teach good men to live greater.

__________

I lit a candle.

I accepted a rosary.

And I came home with a lot on my mind.

Jeff, I hope that you know you are a GREAT man and you have done GREAT things by sharing your story here. I've seen fathers become better daddies, husbands take stock of how fortunate they are, and sons/daughters realize how fleeting life is. Thank you for that. Thank you for changing me.

God bless. You and yours continue to be in our prayers.
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Great post.

Now I need to go dry my eyes.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:52:23 PM EST
[#45]
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Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
I drove past a cathedral this morning.

I'm not Catholic. I have gone to Catholic services with friends before, but, if I'm being honest --- it always felt too formal for me and I couldn't relax there. I in no way mean that as a slight against Catholicism. As a matter of fact, looking back at my experience with older eyes, I can say that what felt too formal was actually quite nice.

The point of that is ... I drove past a cathedral this morning when I was in the city. The front doors were open. I went around the block three times before I decided to stop and go through those open doors. I've never made any bones about the fact that I dance on a tightrope when it comes to religion. My faith has been shaken, restored, lost, and found. I've been angry at God. I've loved God. I've turned my back on God more than once. I am not a pious man, but I make an effort because having kids changed me. It changed how I think.

Anyway I walked through those open doors and I slipped into a pew. For a while I just sat there and looked at how gorgeous the place was. Then I kneeled down and prayed for Jeff. I prayed for a cancer cure. I prayed that Reta and the kids would find strength and love and peace. I prayed for miracles, I begged for a man to continue living for a really long time, and ... I prayed for myself as well. Because I want to be the kind of man Jeff is. I want that kind of faith. I want that kind of relationship with my wife and kids. Jeff is a good man. He is a pious man.

I don't know how long I was there but at some point a priest sat down in the pew behind me. He must have been there a while because he handed me a cloth to dry my eyes. I told him I wasn't Catholic. He said it didn't matter. We didn't talk much. He just sat behind me and I guess ... waited for me to talk if I needed to. I finally told him that a family man was dying of cancer and I was there to pray for him. Our talk was sort of like this:

Priest: You are not a Catholic, yet you came here to pray for someone else.

Me: I prayed for myself, too. To be a better man.

Priest: Don't you think walking through the door and praying for your friend has bettered you?

Me: I don't know. I hope it has.

Priest: God knows your heart. Even better than you do.

Me: Then he knows that Jeff's family needs him to beat this cancer.

Priest: I believe that God knows his purpose for all of his children. I can't tell you if your friend will survive, but I can see that his sickness has served a purpose here. With you. Just imagine what he will accomplish when it is his time to go serve with God. Great  men leave legacies that teach good men to live greater.

__________

I lit a candle.

I accepted a rosary.

And I came home with a lot on my mind.

Jeff, I hope that you know you are a GREAT man and you have done GREAT things by sharing your story here. I've seen fathers become better daddies, husbands take stock of how fortunate they are, and sons/daughters realize how fleeting life is. Thank you for that. Thank you for changing me.

God bless. You and yours continue to be in our prayers.
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WOW ! Amazing .....God is great
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 3:58:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: BlackRifle76] [#46]
I'm still praying for you and your family Jeff.
 
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 4:01:11 PM EST
[#47]
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Originally Posted By Fightingforjeffreed:
Need this at the top ! Can it be pinned ? Will be sending over others to read. Thank you
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Pinning it is the worst thing we could have done. Pinned threads get less responses and less views.

The way to keep this thread on top is to keep doing what we've been doing. If it isn't on page 1, give it a bump. Make a reply. Say a prayer. Post a picture. Tell a joke. Keep the thread alive.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 4:01:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jeadams:
Great post.



Now I need to go dry my eyes.
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Originally Posted By iteotwawki:

I drove past a cathedral this morning.

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Great post.



Now I need to go dry my eyes.
same here

 
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 4:04:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wwace:
same here  
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Originally Posted By wwace:
Originally Posted By jeadams:
Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
I drove past a cathedral this morning.
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Great post.

Now I need to go dry my eyes.
same here  


I need to step outside for a bit.
Link Posted: 11/8/2013 4:09:08 PM EST
[#50]
Ok, Thank you . Just didn't want to annoy the forum by bumping. Trying to tread lightly because I'm new. Thanks again
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