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Posted: 7/1/2019 10:07:34 AM EDT
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A CCW permit is not a license to kill. It does not give you the right to enforce the law with deadly force. All it does is give you the right to defend yourself or others from deadly force. With that right comes the responsibility to avoid potentially dangerous situations. Go to biker bars, kkk rallies, and political protests (or other areas where violence is common or almost guaranteed) is a terrible idea, and even worse if you have your CCW on you, its a recipe for disaster. Not to mention there are just some places in the US where sadly your rights are no longer guarantee. Cities like Portland, Seattle, Chicago, NY, and entire states like CA, NJ, NY. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 10:21:10 AM EDT
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Nothing to add.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 10:25:01 AM EDT
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More video. Appears to be from some "Copwatch" -type loser so if you don't want to give him clicks that's fine.
 Man pulls gun on crowd of Portland protesters If you're so threatened by some angry mob that you feel it necessary to pull your gun out to protect yourself it's probably a bad idea to then just...stand around arguing with said mob for another 5 minutes... Your "I was in fear for my life!" excuse sort of evaporates at that point.... Also...if you buy a better camera than a cheapass camcorder inside what appears to be a plastic water jug that you cut a hole in to use as a rain shield you don't have to wander among the crowd to get footage. Unless the reason you're there is for something other than gathering video, of course. lol |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 10:32:36 AM EDT
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https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/following-violent-rallies-portland-mayor-announces-plans-to-restrict-protests-Qv2WVtA5hEWyByJ6yAREtw/
Fair or not, going to a protest armed when you know this is the attitudes you are up against is stupid. Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys know this. They prepare accordingly and honestly do it very well. If you can't play the game, please just stay away. The first side that starts shooting loses and the established players know this, they don't need your help. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:14:18 AM EDT
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Stop being such a push over. If they want a fight we should be giving them a fight. Street violence and control is political power. Karl Popper was a stupid communist and his “paradox of tolerance” is wrong. Germany didn’t become a totalitarian state because of free speech, it became a totalitarian state because two leftist rival factions controlled speech and left the middle with poor choices. Essentially it was suppression of speech and dissent. Popper was a pacifist too, and became a disillusioned commie when he watched the Hungarian communist party send his friends to die in protests needlessly. These assholes are doing exactly what Popper wouldn’t have. My mother used to say that the fantastic thing about free speech is that it lets the idiots identify themselves. Suppression leads to insurgency. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:17:19 AM EDT
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It’s a sign that the left is losing the debate. If all you’ve got is censorship and violence then your ideas are shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stop being such a push over. If they want a fight we should be giving them a fight. Street violence and control is political power. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:20:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their ideas may be shitty but they hold a lot of the political power in these areas. The fact that they can attack political opponents freely shows they are not losing. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:24:37 AM EDT
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Their ideas may be shitty but they hold a lot of the political power in these areas. The fact that they can attack political opponents freely shows they are not losing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stop being such a push over. If they want a fight we should be giving them a fight. Street violence and control is political power. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:25:36 AM EDT
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There used to be what looked like body cam footage from someone in the crowd rushing Strickland I still assert why Strickland got bent over the barrel and pummel fucked into felonious submission was that he pulled on undercover law enforcement.
Still asserting something on his footage would and will give it away that PPD is in the anqueefa commie mobs agitating the violence just like the contractors in the WHO rights in the early 2000s. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:32:12 AM EDT
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I would have done everything in my power to get that trial moved to a rural jurisdiction. Everything.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:35:57 AM EDT
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There used to be what looked like body cam footage from someone in the crowd rushing Strickland I still assert why Strickland got bent over the barrel and pummel fucked into felonious submission was that he pulled on undercover law enforcement. Still asserting something on his footage would and will give it away that PPD is in the anqueefa commie mobs agitating the violence just like the contractors in the WHO rights in the early 2000s. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:36:52 AM EDT
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I would have done everything in my power to get that trial moved to a rural jurisdiction. Everything. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:37:08 AM EDT
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Same judge:
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2017/08/trump_protester_whos_responsib.html A 20-year-old masked protester that a prosecutor described as “one of the most egregious” vandals in Portland in the days after Donald Trump's election has been sentenced to 30 days in jail. Samuel John Wick Kusaj III pleaded with Multnomah County Circuit Judge Thomas Ryan for leniency, acknowledging fault for lashing out. "I feel an immense amount of remorse for the trauma I caused that night," Kusaj said Thursday. "I say that my actions were driven by fear (over Trump's election). ... I am young. I have a lot to learn. I'm growing. But I realize that, and I think that's very important." |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:38:31 AM EDT
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Double tap
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:43:41 AM EDT
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https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/following-violent-rallies-portland-mayor-announces-plans-to-restrict-protests-Qv2WVtA5hEWyByJ6yAREtw/ Fair or not, going to a protest armed when you know this is the attitudes you are up against is stupid. Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys know this. They prepare accordingly and honestly do it very well. If you can't play the game, please just stay away. The first side that starts shooting loses and the established players know this, they don't need your help. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:02:40 PM EDT
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Conservatives don't NEED to go armed to protest Antifa because Antifa are cowards who would never show their faces to the light of day in an OC/CCW state.
An examination of where these protests take place reveals the obvious: only in tightly controlled liberal strongholds. As Brian Cates has repeatedly pointed out, this ain't happening in Texas. Therefore, it's not an example of don't carry, it's an example of Antifa recognizes they will be shot for assaulting people, and they damn well know it. Cowards every one. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:09:03 PM EDT
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If you're getting jail time for legal self defense, might as well just shoot them.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:13:38 PM EDT
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As an Oregonian - in general, but esp in PDX / Eugene - you clear the leather, you shoot it in the face until its on the deck. And...it really better be clear cut.
ETA I remember watching him. He was wrong to have done that. If one feels the need to draw and aim - you really need to have the justification to fire. He may have had a legal leg to stand on if he were actually put into a real position of self defense, but to draw a weapon and take aim at the crowd b/c you're scared - no, you don't get to do that. Secondly, if he'd gotten any training he'd know that SUL would have been a shit ton smarter, and he could have remained in SUL all the way to where ever he wanted to walk to, if he really felt it rose to that occasion (and then been willing to face the legal consequences). Lastly, and while I don't know this - I wonder what he was saying to the crowd just before it all happened? I am pretty sure that I could slip into that crowd dressed as he was, and have been able to scream "independent journalist just covering the event in pursuit of the truth" - and been left alone, maybe even escorted around... |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:16:43 PM EDT
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Seattle/Tacoma WA, Portland OR, and San Francisco are douche bag liberal shit-holes each trying to out-do each other.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:16:45 PM EDT
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Conservatives don't NEED to go armed to protest Antifa because Antifa are cowards who would never show their faces to the light of day in an OC/CCW state. An examination of where these protests take place reveals the obvious: only in tightly controlled liberal strongholds. As Brian Cates has repeatedly pointed out, this ain't happening in Texas. Therefore, it's not an example of don't carry, it's an example of Antifa recognizes they will be shot for assaulting people, and they damn well know it. Cowards every one. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:18:53 PM EDT
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Any kind of rules you think exist do not when it comes to these people and rallies. If you go with a firearm you are asking to end up in jail. Forgone conclusion if you actually use the thing regardless of what led to it.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:20:28 PM EDT
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Easy deconfliction rule for boomercons: factions that aren't arrested are deputized militia. If you wouldn't shoot a cop with a baton, you shouldn't shoot black bloc with a |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:22:20 PM EDT
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Conservatives don't NEED to go armed to protest Antifa because Antifa are cowards who would never show their faces to the light of day in an OC/CCW state. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:22:44 PM EDT
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'Domestic' terrorists could target July 4 holiday events, but no known plots: Feds
< snip > Federal authorities are warning that white supremacists and other political radicals could look to attack Independence Day revelers on July 4, noting in a bulletin to law enforcement around the country that domestic terrorists “have attacked perceived oppressors, opponents, or enemies engaged in outdoor First Amendment-protected rallies or protests during past summers.” |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:37:22 PM EDT
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Any kind of rules you think exist do not when it comes to these people and rallies. If you go with a firearm you are asking to end up in jail. Forgone conclusion if you actually use the thing regardless of what led to it. You'll know when it's game day. Avoid these. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:39:21 PM EDT
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People should really consider avoiding these events. These ARE FF events. This is a network of groups that are financed to bring Communism to the US. In terms of hard core #s - tiny. The events are staged looking for a flashpoint. At this point in the fight, not showing up means the 30 paid meth head felons that are there to cause trouble with assistance of 200 part time baristas who aren't sure which bathroom to use parade around a few times and then disband. However if you can get the other team to show up and party, well then you can use the shill MSM to create a national focal point. You'll know when it's game day. Avoid these. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any kind of rules you think exist do not when it comes to these people and rallies. If you go with a firearm you are asking to end up in jail. Forgone conclusion if you actually use the thing regardless of what led to it. You'll know when it's game day. Avoid these. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:45:28 PM EDT
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Hmmmm.....let's think about history:
Is it possible to infiltrate a group? Has the FED gov ever infiltrated a group? Why are rallies always held in public? *The party only happens if the two groups are together* **How come 'rallies' aren't held at a private facility, where real ideas are discussed about how to tighten laws on how, where, and when 'the other guys' are able to get their message out? How come a PAC isn't formed, elections and vacancies at the local, state, and national level are targeted, candidates considered, fund raising and volunteerism discussed? If that is how change is created in our country, and any particular group would instead advocate that the efforts of the group should be something else, esp if it is potentially violent.....I'd be looking for the FED in the room....just saying. What also has to happen? Does the bureaucracy / admin / department have to have a few folks on the inside that 'lean that way' too? The world is stage...... ETA - How it works: Demon Dodge Driver of Charlottesville hits Heavy Heather -> MSM goes ape shit - Southern Poverty Law Center (and others) goes into hy$teric$ and raises more bull$hit money to file lawsuits that impact us far beyond Charlottesville. Anything and everything the MSM can culturally connect the driver to is vilified - like them eeeevile black rifles or anything else that represents traditional values in America. The game is to destroy old America in order to remake it in Commy form. **I recall seeing video that clearly showed that Charlottesville was a FF - they stalled a car in alley, and lead the march to it - they primed the pump and hoped something bad would happen. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:47:09 PM EDT
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Conservatives don't NEED to go armed to protest Antifa because Antifa are cowards who would never show their faces to the light of day in an OC/CCW state. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:54:35 PM EDT
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People should really consider avoiding these events. These ARE FF events. This is a network of groups that are financed to bring Communism to the US. In terms of hard core #s - tiny. The events are staged looking for a flashpoint. At this point in the fight, not showing up means the 30 paid meth head felons that are there to cause trouble, with assistance of 200 part time baristas who aren't sure which bathroom to use, parade around a few times and then disband and go back to their shitty little life. However if you can get the other team to show up and party, well then you can use the shill MSM to create a national focal point. You'll know when it's game day. Avoid these. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any kind of rules you think exist do not when it comes to these people and rallies. If you go with a firearm you are asking to end up in jail. Forgone conclusion if you actually use the thing regardless of what led to it. You'll know when it's game day. Avoid these. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 12:55:35 PM EDT
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Oh that's horse shit and you know it. First side to shoot the leftists loses, even with self defense laws and violence being perpetrated. I can agree with what people are saying about knowing how these protests will go and avoiding them for that but people should be able to practice their 1st amendment rights and their 2nd amendment rights in the same place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/following-violent-rallies-portland-mayor-announces-plans-to-restrict-protests-Qv2WVtA5hEWyByJ6yAREtw/ Fair or not, going to a protest armed when you know this is the attitudes you are up against is stupid. Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys know this. They prepare accordingly and honestly do it very well. If you can't play the game, please just stay away. The first side that starts shooting loses and the established players know this, they don't need your help. In my best Boone voice from 13 hours. "Hey man, just reporting what I heard." It's not horse shit. If ANTIFA shoots first, it's an anti gun party that will eat their own, because it will not be able to be ignored. I don't need to spell out what will happen if PB's or PP shoot first. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:04:34 PM EDT
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ANTIFA would never show their faces in an OC/CCW state other than GA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Conservatives don't NEED to go armed to protest Antifa because Antifa are cowards who would never show their faces to the light of day in an OC/CCW state. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:09:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that were the case then why the need for the crooked judge to seal the video? Also, this judge had an outburst saying all guns should be taken out of the US, put on a boat, and sunk in the ocean. At least he included LEO's guns as well. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:19:03 PM EDT
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If that were the case then why the need for the crooked judge to seal the video? Also, this judge had an outburst saying all guns should be taken out of the US, put on a boat, and sunk in the ocean. At least he included LEO's guns as well. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:23:22 PM EDT
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If that is true the lawyer should have asked for a mistrial (or equivalent) because the judge was biased and incapable of rendering a fair verdict. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If that were the case then why the need for the crooked judge to seal the video? Also, this judge had an outburst saying all guns should be taken out of the US, put on a boat, and sunk in the ocean. At least he included LEO's guns as well. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2016/09/all_guns_in_us_should_be_dumpe.html "If I could I would take all the guns in America, put them on big barges and go dump them in the ocean," the judge told the defendant. "Nobody would have a gun. Not police, not security, not anybody. We should eliminate all of them. We could save 33,000 people a year if we didn't have guns in this country." |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:26:36 PM EDT
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Yeah but if he was a cop it would be okay.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:27:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They lose when they pull this crap in an area where they don't have the political establishment on their side. Let the PB's and PP keep them in check, get them emboldened, and them let them branch out to a conservative area. The result will be very different. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:29:22 PM EDT
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They lose when they pull this crap in an area where they don't have the political establishment on their side. Let the PB's and PP keep them in check, get them emboldened, and them let them branch out to a conservative area. The result will be very different. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:31:03 PM EDT
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Conservatives don't NEED to go armed to protest Antifa because Antifa are cowards who would never show their faces to the light of day in an OC/CCW state.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:35:48 PM EDT
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"Run away" is their answer. Seems every tape I see is with Anita thugs chasing down people and beating them with pipes or clubs. I would personally like to these thugs walk into an ambush and get wasted. That is the only thing that will stop this behavior. If they come back with guns, kill them too. Pretty simple. The Portland cops need to enforce the laws and tell the mayor to go clean his purse.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:38:23 PM EDT
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There’s no real need to branch out to conservative areas, when they areas they control hold a disproportionate amount of cultural and technological influence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They lose when they pull this crap in an area where they don't have the political establishment on their side. Let the PB's and PP keep them in check, get them emboldened, and them let them branch out to a conservative area. The result will be very different. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:39:30 PM EDT
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This is why you don't go to protests. I know if I went to one I'd end up killing some punks and end up in jail for being a psycho as the leftist media would portray. Even if it was legitimate self defense. The politicians and police and media and everyone are in the pockets of the left. The truth doesn't matter.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:41:08 PM EDT
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You don't think they will get bored and over confident at some point? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:46:08 PM EDT
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I hear they're planning a sneak attack on Flomaton, Alabama! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:50:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't think they will get bored and over confident at some point? It’s like Island hoping: you don’t have to beat the enemy every where, you just need to accomplish your political objective. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 1:55:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To do what exactly? There’s some all over the country, but what matters is having the major metropolitan areas locked down. It’s like Island hoping: you don’t have to beat the enemy every where, you just need to accomplish your political objective. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 2:37:18 PM EDT
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ANTIFA would never show their faces in an OC/CCW state other than GA. https://www.wymt.com/content/news/Protesters-are-beginning-to-crowd-in-downtown-Pikeville-420816143.html |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 2:46:26 PM EDT
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They showed up to Pikeville, KY https://www.wymt.com/content/news/Protesters-are-beginning-to-crowd-in-downtown-Pikeville-420816143.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ANTIFA would never show their faces in an OC/CCW state other than GA. https://www.wymt.com/content/news/Protesters-are-beginning-to-crowd-in-downtown-Pikeville-420816143.html 
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Posted: 7/1/2019 3:01:55 PM EDT
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Just keep surrendering ground to Antifa is your strategy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A CCW permit is not a license to kill. It does not give you the right to enforce the law with deadly force. All it does is give you the right to defend yourself or others from deadly force. With that right comes the responsibility to avoid potentially dangerous situations. Go to biker bars, kkk rallies, and political protests (or other areas where violence is common or almost guaranteed) is a terrible idea, and even worse if you have your CCW on you, its a recipe for disaster. Not to mention there are just some places in the US where sadly your rights are no longer guarantee. Cities like Portland, Seattle, Chicago, NY, and entire states like CA, NJ, NY. Can't combat the fundamental problem when a large majority of people won't realize that it is a tactic being applied in a war which they're losing. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 3:05:49 PM EDT
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Yeah but if he was a cop it would be okay. GLOWING..... |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 3:07:50 PM EDT
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They showed up to Pikeville, KY https://www.wymt.com/content/news/Protesters-are-beginning-to-crowd-in-downtown-Pikeville-420816143.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ANTIFA would never show their faces in an OC/CCW state other than GA. https://www.wymt.com/content/news/Protesters-are-beginning-to-crowd-in-downtown-Pikeville-420816143.html |
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