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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:20:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Then form a new party. The "Conservative Party" or "Constitutional Party". But I disagree that we are not the base. We are. They just don't choose to represent us, (they sold their votes to the highest bidders), and we haven't chosen to replace treasonous representatives. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person.  So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. Is that sheriff still in office? If so, that seems to be problem #1 to address before and worst case at the next election. He will affect you and yours more than whoever gets elected for the House or Senate, and maybe even more than who gets elected president, since he sets the direction for local LE and is your highest local elected official. @ErikInAZ https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-2139555-12ECED9B000005DC-396_468x318.jpg https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/0310_bn9_bob-gualtieri-floridagopjpg Well then it looks like you folks in Florida have your work cut out for you. Get rid of those RINO's. Organize. Take Action. Throw their asses OUT! Whatever it takes, at this point. You need Constitutional Carry. @ErikInAZ, they aren't the RINOs. We are. The GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government Fiscally Responsible Government. When a Republican Supermajority controlled State Legislature and Governor's office submitted, passed, and signed into law gun control. That sends a message that folks like you or I aren't the base of the party and they don't give a fuck about us. Then form a new party. The "Conservative Party" or "Constitutional Party". But I disagree that we are not the base. We are. They just don't choose to represent us, (they sold their votes to the highest bidders), and we haven't chosen to replace treasonous representatives. The TEA Party was an attempt top reform the GOP and the GOP absolutely crushed it. You and I aren't the base of the party. If we were, they'd represent us. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:20:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bgdtx: Those good, moral, and upstanding people will be demonized, have their lives destroyed, be charged with various crimes. All of those things are best case scenario, worst is they will be gunned down, burned in their own homes by mobs of terrorists. The underlying problem is politicians. We need good, moral, upstanding people with character in elected offices. No we don't. We need better voters, at least in urban areas. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:21:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: VooDoo3dfx]
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Mental health responders to attend mental health crisis in place of armed police
Street outreach teams, more shelters and affordable housing to help solve homelessness and stop the homeless from being criminalized Traffic stops to be eliminated entirely, with traffic violations dealt with via. mail Community members to attend domestic violence calls, to help intervene and establish long-term safety for the individuals Specialized physical and emotional support for victims of sexual violence Investing in prevention of sex trafficking to end economic and social conditions that lead to deeply rooted vulnerabilities The legalization of marijuana to stop incarceration for the 'harmless' drug Better handling of drug offences to stop 'criminalizing of communities of color' Decriminalization of sex work and formation of an independent union to ensure individuals have insurance, child care and safety precautions Restorative justice (meetings between victim and offender) to be used to deal with property crimes such as theft and burglary LMAO Crazy white liberal batshit cunt. Good God. EDIT: Considering the amount of police shot, or shot at during domestic calls. Send that ivory tower living bitch into the hot call armed only with her ego and notepad w/ pen. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:22:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Do you believe that? That the GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government / Fiscally Responsible Government? Or that the politicians in elected GOP positions do not represent the GOP base’s beliefs in a Pro Constitutional Small Government / Fiscally Responsible Government? Because if it is the GOP party at issue, we need a new party. If it is just the ”leaders”, we just need to remove the elected officials. If it is the party, then what you’re saying is that only a tiny fraction of the country actually believes in the country as founded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: The GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government Fiscally Responsible Government. . this needs to be burned into everyone's brain here. Maybe in rural Wyoming it is, but today that's the exception not the rule. Do you believe that? That the GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government / Fiscally Responsible Government? Or that the politicians in elected GOP positions do not represent the GOP base’s beliefs in a Pro Constitutional Small Government / Fiscally Responsible Government? Because if it is the GOP party at issue, we need a new party. If it is just the ”leaders”, we just need to remove the elected officials. If it is the party, then what you’re saying is that only a tiny fraction of the country actually believes in the country as founded. A lifetime of the republican party never being pro constitutional, small gov't, nor fiscally responsible..... well speaks for itself |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:24:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: No we don't. We need better voters, at least in urban areas. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By Bgdtx: Those good, moral, and upstanding people will be demonized, have their lives destroyed, be charged with various crimes. All of those things are best case scenario, worst is they will be gunned down, burned in their own homes by mobs of terrorists. The underlying problem is politicians. We need good, moral, upstanding people with character in elected offices. No we don't. We need better voters, at least in urban areas. My vote counts 1 time. Dems count 30. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:28:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: might as well be this thing https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/c14c76a233c1515ecfbbe3a89206cb194179a36c-1452498.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: Originally Posted By Idaholandho: Originally Posted By togadelic: fucking gave up to fbho fucking rino https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/f467a0d75a92fa036ec76da7e977b433ef92b8c7-1451900.JPG
Such a pile of fucking shit. Even the Mormons are tired of his weak play. Binders of black women. might as well be this thing https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/c14c76a233c1515ecfbbe3a89206cb194179a36c-1452498.JPG Looks like three white people wearing the same clothes. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:28:19 AM EST
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:28:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: Stop with the facts, logic, and common sense. Nobody here has time for that. There are snap judgements to be made, name calling to be done, and managers to speak with. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: You have quite a few opinions. Do you have any direct experience to back them up? Serious question. Intel gathering and observation? What constitutes a mob? Ever taken someone into custody? Ever engaged in physical struggle with a person on drugs? Even been in fight or flight mode for any reason? Your posts seem laden with emotion. I get it. This is a difficult time. This does not change the fact that opinion without experience is wishful thinking. It is easy to ascribe motive to action when we are commenting out of fear and anger. Police work is not pretty all the time. There are times in fact that it is damn ugly. Not every interaction ends in unicorn farts and rainbows, nor does it end in someone dying or even in custody. Some of what we have been shown looks heinous, and does not portray LEO in a good light at all. This coming on the heels of some ridiculous enforcement of emergency orders seems designed to turn the average citizen against cops everywhere. Give that some thought. The MSM decides what to show you. The YouTuber's edit their video before they upload it. WE decide to get spun up about it and react emotionally to it. Sometimes we see ourselves in that spot and realize that it could happen to us. We know we are good people and wouldn't deserve that treatment. Tone deaf should be used to describe someone who isn't listening at all, not someone who disagrees with your solution. People should remember that police REGULARLY see and interact with people during the WORST MOMENTS of their lives. No matter how good their (the police) training, how thorough, how complete, it will not prepare them for every eventuality, and most of these interactions will be emotionally charged. Police will make mistakes. They are human. It is very easy to Monday Morning QB. This doesn't excuse abhorrent behavior. But it is something to keep in mind. 
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:30:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Man drives into crowd of Black Lives Matter protesters in Seattle and then shoots a 27-year-old demonstrator in the arm before being arrested Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/06/29348158-8397823-image-a-37_1591593823319.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/06/29348166-8397823-image-a-38_1591593827165.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/06/29348172-8397823-image-a-39_1591593834358.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/06/29348156-8397823-image-a-40_1591593841829.jpg More Cute. They were trying to trip the automatic brakes with that black folding sidewalk sign. I wonder if that's the only reason he stopped. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:32:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: Cycolac]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Mental health responders to attend mental health crisis in place of armed police Street outreach teams, more shelters and affordable housing to help solve homelessness and stop the homeless from being criminalized Traffic stops to be eliminated entirely, with traffic violations dealt with via. mail Community members to attend domestic violence calls, to help intervene and establish long-term safety for the individuals Specialized physical and emotional support for victims of sexual violence Investing in prevention of sex trafficking to end economic and social conditions that lead to deeply rooted vulnerabilities The legalization of marijuana to stop incarceration for the 'harmless' drug Better handling of drug offences to stop 'criminalizing of communities of color' Decriminalization of sex work and formation of an independent union to ensure individuals have insurance, child care and safety precautions Restorative justice (meetings between victim and offender) to be used to deal with property crimes such as theft and burglary LMAO Crazy white liberal batshit cunt. Good God. EDIT: Considering the amount of police shot, or shot at during domestic calls. Send that ivory tower living bitch into the hot call armed only with her ego and notepad w/ pen. I'm starting to like what they are proposing. It could take while but they will eventually thin out their ranks through attrition.  |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:33:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/f72cee9053bf59c90d401410b958b4202d0beaab-1452600.JPG I think it's "Zod" |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:34:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndercoverFed: Holy fucking shit so not only is the local news in Seattle saying the shooter is a white middle aged dude now they are saying the shooting victim was a hero that saved lives. You can't make this shit up. Like seriously I've heard of fake news but now I'm really seeing the fake fucking news in place. Scary shit and I don't know how to counteract it. We counter attack in the information battle space. Take that hi res still (with good trigger control) and spam it on all the local news social media feeds. People see that shit and start digging. The goal isn’t to stop msm lies (impossibru) but to red pill as many people to it. Might also be good to divide their base. Spam that picture on #LatinoTwitter and let it be known the demons are prosecuting an innocent Latino who had to defend himself on the way to work. Use their tactics against them. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:36:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bgdtx: Those good, moral, and upstanding people will be demonized, have their lives destroyed, be charged with various crimes. All of those things are best case scenario, worst is they will be gunned down, burned in their own homes by mobs of terrorists. The underlying problem is politicians. We need good, moral, upstanding people with character in elected offices. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bgdtx: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By FistPeso: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: They don't want a soft police department. They want complete militarization; except with them using the police as attack dogs against us. Looting, pillaging, impeding the free travel of the citizenry, shutting down lanes of commerce, committing organized arson, paying for violence, flinging shit at police, smashing everything in sight, and generally looking like prison uprising is protected free speech that needs to be met with empathy and understanding. Show solidarity with the Antifa Terror Network by taking a knee. These same folks will endorse jack boot military take downs of every hard working, tax paying, utterly compliant gun owner for the 'Fascist Crime' of thinking the above is ridiculous. I WOULD NOT advise my children to pursue careers in law enforcement. So tomorrow's PD will be comprised of leftovers controlled by Commissars, backed by mayors who kneel before rioting terrorists. Imagine how secure voting will be! My son is interested in law enforcement. We had this conversation last night, he is backing away after seeing the bullshit happening around the country. Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. Those good, moral, and upstanding people will be demonized, have their lives destroyed, be charged with various crimes. All of those things are best case scenario, worst is they will be gunned down, burned in their own homes by mobs of terrorists. The underlying problem is politicians. We need good, moral, upstanding people with character in elected offices. We need good, moral and upstanding people in elected offices AND in the police forces. I’d say there are far more in the police departments than in elected office currently. If everyone of character abandons police jobs, what do we have? We can’t abandon the force to Leftists. We can’t be silent, and hope things get better. If that’s what we do, they won’t. Yes, it will be hard work. It does risk all those things you mentioned to enter the force at this time. I didn’t say it would be easy. I said it’s what we need. I’m actually considering doing it myself. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:37:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Cute. They were trying to trip the automatic brakes with that black folding sidewalk sign. I wonder if that's the only reason he stopped. Does that car even have the automatic brakes? Looks like an older Civic |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:39:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: ...SNIP... Mental health responders to attend mental health crisis in place of armed police And what are they going to do when Mr. Crazy is armed with a weapon and starts attacking people? What if Mr. Crazy is a slasher and has a machete or he's another Whiskey Warrior but go off on full cock and starts shooting people? Street outreach teams, more shelters and affordable housing to help solve homelessness and stop the homeless from being criminalized Okay, on the surface, that sounds fine. But doesn't the City already have a Public Housing Department? Traffic stops to be eliminated entirely, with traffic violations dealt with via. mail LOL.... so what are they going to do for DIUs, Hit & Runs, or other vehicle violations that result in property/bodily injury? Community members to attend domestic violence calls, to help intervene and establish long-term safety for the individuals LOL.... WTF are they going to do when the Abuser is a Big 6'2" MoFo and he's crippled the spouse and killed the kid? What are they goignt o do when the Abuser refuses to open the door and has the victims locked inside and gagged? Specialized physical and emotional support for victims of sexual violence WTF does that even mean? Doesn't the City already have Social Case Workers to provide support to rape victims? Investing in prevention of sex trafficking to end economic and social conditions that lead to deeply rooted vulnerabilities LOL, they think they're going to figure out sex crimes? The legalization of marijuana to stop incarceration for the 'harmless' drug That's an issue with their State Government and if they want dope legalized. They need to pass a bill that does so. Better handling of drug offences to stop 'criminalizing of communities of color' Again, legalization is a State Issue. Decriminalization of sex work and formation of an independent union to ensure individuals have insurance, child care and safety precautions Expect more sex crimes. Restorative justice (meetings between victim and offender) to be used to deal with property crimes such as theft and burglary Good fucking luck with that. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:39:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndercoverFed: Holy fucking shit so not only is the local news in Seattle saying the shooter is a white middle aged dude now they are saying the shooting victim was a hero that saved lives. You can't make this shit up. Like seriously I've heard of fake news but now I'm really seeing the fake fucking news in place. Scary shit and I don't know how to counteract it. Show as many people as you can they are liars & will never change. Tell them to do their own research & be skeptical of anything that elicits an emotional response. This will be very difficult for most women to do, and sadly many dudes, but not just scared/sympathy for the “victims”, but anger. They can both be used against you. Their narrative & narrow view of reality is always displayed to get a desired response. Usually to draw sympathy from one side & anger & violence from the other. On the right they’re hoping for a handful of “terror attacks” or mass shootings they can amplify & blame on ”white supremacy”. This would be the icing on their cake & may either start a legit war or subjugate whites outside all but the most conservative cities & states. Analyze, search your feelings, understand why you’re feeling that way & decide on a reasoned plan of action, not a knee jerk response. It’s difficult, but needs put in practice if we’re going to survive intact. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:40:07 AM EST
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Arizona 'Karen' is slapped in face by woman after screaming at her to 'go back to your own country' in racist rant at gas station
Video A white woman was slapped across the face after she was caught on camera making racist remarks to another shopper at an Arizona gas station. The footage appeared to have been shot over the weekend inside a store in Phoenix. The video starts with the woman walking inside the shop asking for help with a gas pump that did not appear to be working.   Things escalated quickly and soon after an argument broke out between her and the other female customer. The man recording the footage claims that he heard the woman whom he describes as a 'Karen' tell the shopper to 'go back to her country' before telling the clerk behind the register not to serve her. The entire incident all builds up to a face-to-face confrontation which sees the two women shouting at each other before 'Karen' is seen shoving the woman. It led to an immediate retaliation with the other woman defending herself and slapping her antagonist across the face. It ultimately led to the white woman walking out of the shop while she rambles at the person filming to mind their own business. More |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:41:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: That was asked in the press conference but there wasn't a definitive answer to it. It's possible, even likely, that they'd had some interaction in the past. I would certainly hope so, otherwise the second officer looks like a loose cannon. Still unprofessional to just show up and do your own thing when you've already got people on scene. As I said several times, but the TBL guys don't seem to care, I never said it was illegal or even worthy of a firing, but it's shit tactics. He should have coordinated with the other officer and spent at least a bit more time assessing the situation before using force. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Originally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By Naporter: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: Originally Posted By Naporter: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By Naporter: Video seems to start/stop a lot (their website maybe?) but that seemed unnecessary. That guy seemed like he wasn't all there and needed medical or psychiatric care. Clearly others thought so too, hence the ambulance. ETA: The YT video seems to work better. The use of the taser still seemed unnecessary and was definitely unprovoked. He wasn't aggressive, but clearly under the influence of something or suffering some sort of psych issue. He was disoriented and somewhat incoherent. The officer's use of the taser is probably legal, but definitely a poor choice, especially considering it looked like he just arrived to assist. Originally Posted By Naporter: He's clearly messed up and you expect him to listen to commands? Instead of making an honest attempt to end it peacefully you think the cops should immediately deploy a taser cause someone didn't "respect my authoritah"? And cops wonder why so many hate them. It only takes a few bad examples to paint the rest as bad. This had the potential for a peaceful ending, but we'll never know because the second officer intervened. The officer who's PoV we were seeing seemed like he was trying his best to end it peacefully. Just because you're allowed to use the heavy hand doesn't make it necessary. Let's do something to trigger an adrenaline release and force him into that state. Fucking brilliant. I'd also add that his request for oxygen is probably more indicative of a depressant than a stimulant, assuming it's drugs. Even the mentally ill can require great force to restrain when riled up, so that's not exactly indicative of a stimulant. Police are police. Not fast responding social workers and psych ward orderlies. If the police SOP becomes "Fuck around on scene for a long time, offering chances for non compliant actors to become compliant, and desist in restraint efforts at every feigned medical distress" then what we're going to get is a lot of injured officers followed by police resignations. Long time? That's a straw man argument. The whole interaction was 5 minutes, less than many traffic stops. Officer 2 was barely on scene before he deployed his taser. How could he have any reasonable belief that use of force against a nonviolent subject was warranted? I guess I'm radical for believing the cops should be a little more professional and only resort to force when necessary. The first officer was making an honest attempt at keeping the subject passive and gaining his compliance, right up until his colleague shit all over that effort with little interaction with the subject prior to his use of force. Could the difference be how many times officer 1 and officer 2 interacted with the suspect before? Maybe O1 had never seen the guy before and O2 has has several interactions with the suspect and the end result was always the same. O2 maybe just skipped a few useless steps. I don't know. Just throwing it out there. That was asked in the press conference but there wasn't a definitive answer to it. It's possible, even likely, that they'd had some interaction in the past. I would certainly hope so, otherwise the second officer looks like a loose cannon. Still unprofessional to just show up and do your own thing when you've already got people on scene. As I said several times, but the TBL guys don't seem to care, I never said it was illegal or even worthy of a firing, but it's shit tactics. He should have coordinated with the other officer and spent at least a bit more time assessing the situation before using force. This. Even if they had numerous problematic interactions in the past, the officer who just showed up could have still taken the time to go, "Hey Devante? Remember me? It's officer XXXXX. Look, these guys are here to help you. We don't want what happened the last time, to happen today, so how about you get in the ambulance so these guys can get you the help you need?" At least make the attempt, as opposed to just going, "Eh, f### this dipshit who's walking in circles on the street". |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:42:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Voter fraud is real. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By ben123: This is what we need to do . I don't if it violates COC but I'm gunna say it: We need to fucking grow some balls, get behind our police (organize with police, cooperate with, what ever that looks like), activate organized local militia and come up against these fucks with numbers. Display that they won't have thier way and burn our country. Enough is going to be enough eventually. When this has to happen I don't know but I would encourage you, start having serious conversations with LEO's, military friends, like minded sane people and start planning for the "what ifs ?" Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person. So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. What’s that saying? People get the government they deserve... Vote (or force) them out. Voter fraud is real. Yeah, I know. It works both ways though. Both sides cheat. Do we just give up? I’d rather fight till my last breath. Catch them cheating, and get our ground game to be better than theirs, stirring up actual voters. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:43:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Mental health responders to attend mental health crisis in place of armed police Street outreach teams, more shelters and affordable housing to help solve homelessness and stop the homeless from being criminalized Traffic stops to be eliminated entirely, with traffic violations dealt with via. mail Community members to attend domestic violence calls, to help intervene and establish long-term safety for the individuals Specialized physical and emotional support for victims of sexual violence Investing in prevention of sex trafficking to end economic and social conditions that lead to deeply rooted vulnerabilities The legalization of marijuana to stop incarceration for the 'harmless' drug Better handling of drug offences to stop 'criminalizing of communities of color' Decriminalization of sex work and formation of an independent union to ensure individuals have insurance, child care and safety precautions Restorative justice (meetings between victim and offender) to be used to deal with property crimes such as theft and burglary LMAO Crazy white liberal batshit cunt. Good God. EDIT: Considering the amount of police shot, or shot at during domestic calls. Send that ivory tower living bitch into the hot call armed only with her ego and notepad w/ pen. Restorative justice.... Hahahahaha. Pookie and his boys sneering at some homeowner who just got them popped for burglary, reminding him what will happen should they not accept their "resolution" (AKA drop the charges or me and the boys are gonna run a train on your wife, play soccer with your head and torch your house). |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:43:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dannylgriffin: You are intimately familiar with the Kathryn Johnston case? Even "good people" lie to cover up, but they are still good people right? You are intimately familiar with the Martinez family in Denver? Good people? No one was fired, no one went to prison. They investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing, even though they had the wrong house and lied with felony charges against some to cover up their actions. Some were even promoted. Just the other day someone here said the whole "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" doesn't exist. It seems he was mistaken because I can post lots of newspaper articles stating exactly that. $1.6 million payout and we did nothing wrong. We are all good people. And not a single cop told the truth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dannylgriffin: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: We know we are good people You are intimately familiar with the Kathryn Johnston case? Even "good people" lie to cover up, but they are still good people right? You are intimately familiar with the Martinez family in Denver? Good people? No one was fired, no one went to prison. They investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing, even though they had the wrong house and lied with felony charges against some to cover up their actions. Some were even promoted. Just the other day someone here said the whole "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" doesn't exist. It seems he was mistaken because I can post lots of newspaper articles stating exactly that. $1.6 million payout and we did nothing wrong. We are all good people. And not a single cop told the truth. Never have I claimed, in this thread or others, that there aren't officers that have done wrong. Those that have committed murder have not been punished. It isn't right but it is life. Now we are moving to punishing officers for doing what we think "looks" wrong. That isn't right either, and is going to lead to the exact WRONG type of cop left on departments. YMMV of course, and I can be objective and unemotional on the subject because I have only ever known one person 2nd hand that died at the hands of a LEO under questionable circumstances. If it were a family member I am certain I would feel differently. Having said that, forming opinion of a group (no matter what the boundaries of that group are) on the acts of a few of its members is wrong. We are told it is wrong every day when an illegal immigrant shoots and kills a teen at a convenient store, or when a black man beats elderly people in a nursing home and posts videos of it, or when a priest molests a child. We are told it is wrong by the very organizations and people that are ]TODAY telling us that there is a systemic issue with race in our police departments and that judgement is arrived at because of the actions of a few. They want it both ways, and there are quite a few people here and in this nation that are obliging them. (They and them are referring to the MSM, the liberals, and the Karens in this instance) |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:44:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/6ace48af8059de9fa20142a32ae07fb24da035b6-1452608.JPG lol THIS IS NOT MOMENT OF SILENCE They are reenacting the murder! EVIL Disgusting behavior. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:44:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: The TEA Party was an attempt top reform the GOP and the GOP absolutely crushed it. You and I aren't the base of the party. If we were, they'd represent us. So what is your solution? Not being sarcastic. Honest question. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:45:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atomic_Ferret: Local (San Diego) media did a "deep dive" into Antifa and the Boogaloo movements. And predictably, Antifa = good, Boogaloo = bad. That Antifa fought against naziism, boogaloo wants to bring about a right wing revolution by pairing up radical right wing, libertarian and black liberation groups  .And ONLY Boogaloo folks have been arrested, no confirmed Antifa arrests in any of these protests/riots. Complete with pic of father boog. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/107869/IMG_4644_jpg-1452547.JPG JFC. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:49:31 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: So. A friend of mine showed me the speech their CEO is requiring all senior management to give today during the funeral. If white, they have to acknowledge the pain and suffering they have caused. He has to acknowledge the black people that work for him and apologize to them.They have to enforce and hour of silence during the funeral. No work, no talking. They have to mention the names of the black people killed by police that have been cycling through the media. He has to kneel while doing all of this. I shit you not, the speech even has "hope and change" written into it at the end. In addition, they have to offer all employees the time off to go to the funeral (Houston office) and all employees nationwide the next two days off to grieve. All the white folks should take the next two days off to grieve and reflect on their white privilege. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:49:53 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Now that's a sizable amount that sends a message. If they want no police, let them live with the consequences. Of course I think their resignations are gonna be moot when the city dismantles the department. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By Naporter: Good, but it's only a drop in the bucket. NYPD will still have over 35,000 officers afterward. Over 80 quit in Minneapolis--total department size is 800. Now that's a sizable amount that sends a message. If they want no police, let them live with the consequences. Of course I think their resignations are gonna be moot when the city dismantles the department. I defiantly will be better to quit and get another job elsewhere asap vs waiting to get canned then competing with 720 former cops for jobs. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:50:07 AM EST
[#27]
Who knew 'The WALKING DEAD' was a documentary?
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:51:07 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Arizona 'Karen' is slapped in face by woman after screaming at her to 'go back to your own country' in racist rant at gas station Video A white woman was slapped across the face after she was caught on camera making racist remarks to another shopper at an Arizona gas station. The footage appeared to have been shot over the weekend inside a store in Phoenix. The video starts with the woman walking inside the shop asking for help with a gas pump that did not appear to be working. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/05/29340310-8397293-image-m-138_1591589963208.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/13/29340286-8397293-The_footage_appeared_to_have_been_shot_over_the_weekend_inside_a-m-3_1591619231107.jpg Things escalated quickly and soon after an argument broke out between her and the other female customer. The man recording the footage claims that he heard the woman whom he describes as a 'Karen' tell the shopper to 'go back to her country' before telling the clerk behind the register not to serve her. The entire incident all builds up to a face-to-face confrontation which sees the two women shouting at each other before 'Karen' is seen shoving the woman. It led to an immediate retaliation with the other woman defending herself and slapping her antagonist across the face. It ultimately led to the white woman walking out of the shop while she rambles at the person filming to mind their own business. More The hell is this shitshow? Of course the video only shows half the story, the (not Karen) may have barged in and shoved her way into line, demanding immediate service for her issue and setting Karen (who was waiting patiently) off. That said, good slap. Karen took it from a verbal to a physical altercation and appears to have learned when you put hands on people who DGAF, they respond with force. Dunno. But I would bet that people all over the country are looking for (and maybe even deliberately causing) instances of white people behaving badly to whip up support for their cause. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:52:41 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Cute. They were trying to trip the automatic brakes with that black folding sidewalk sign. I wonder if that's the only reason he stopped. That car looks like a early 2000's honda civic and if I'm correct it doesn't have any automatic braking system. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:53:15 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryBig dude was struggling to put the magazine in the AK, had no clue.
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:54:09 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atomic_Ferret: Restorative justice.... Hahahahaha. Pookie and his boys sneering at some homeowner who just got them popped for burglary, reminding him what will happen should they not accept their "resolution" (AKA drop the charges or me and the boys are gonna run a train on your wife, play soccer with your head and torch your house). LOL, no shit! On the flip side, if you bring Pookie and Ray-Ray back to my house after they burglarized it, I just might kick the shit out of them. Or something else. 
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:54:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: baxt3r]
[#32]
I wonder how many protestors' cars have Coexist bumper stickers on them.
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:56:07 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Seemed to check all the boxes for PCP use to me, but who knows. I wouldn't want to go up against that, I hope you never have to either, and I hope that if you ever do, your method works. Based on his comments it's clear that he never has in the past. People jacked up on PCP don't need any provocation to go bat shit crazy violent. I've seen it. I've arrested people who were on it and who were wigging out. It's difficult to describe how strong they are. It's scary stuff. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:59:49 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Based on his comments it's clear that he never has in the past. People jacked up on PCP don't need any provocation to go bat shit crazy violent. I've seen it. I've arrested people who were on it and who were wigging out. It's difficult to describe how strong they are. It's scary stuff. Yep. Five of us chased a naked black guy down the middle of the highway jacked up on PCP. It took everyone's Taser cartridges and batons just to bring the fucker down. It was insane. Getting him in cuffs was another story. And we weren't little dudes either. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:01:37 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Avidrook: This a statue of a white man Enough said To take it further, it is a monument to something outside the canon of groupthink that is the planned perfect model. Thus it is unacceptable. Monuments to the past regardless of what they memorialize must be replaced with the symbols of the new religion. Any connection that draws from the previous memory has to be removed. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:01:43 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Arizona 'Karen' is slapped in face by woman after screaming at her to 'go back to your own country' in racist rant at gas station Video A white woman was slapped across the face after she was caught on camera making racist remarks to another shopper at an Arizona gas station. The footage appeared to have been shot over the weekend inside a store in Phoenix. The video starts with the woman walking inside the shop asking for help with a gas pump that did not appear to be working. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/05/29340310-8397293-image-m-138_1591589963208.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/13/29340286-8397293-The_footage_appeared_to_have_been_shot_over_the_weekend_inside_a-m-3_1591619231107.jpg Things escalated quickly and soon after an argument broke out between her and the other female customer. The man recording the footage claims that he heard the woman whom he describes as a 'Karen' tell the shopper to 'go back to her country' before telling the clerk behind the register not to serve her. The entire incident all builds up to a face-to-face confrontation which sees the two women shouting at each other before 'Karen' is seen shoving the woman. It led to an immediate retaliation with the other woman defending herself and slapping her antagonist across the face. It ultimately led to the white woman walking out of the shop while she rambles at the person filming to mind their own business. More It's funny that you never see the hundreds of other instances where its the other way round blasted all over the media. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:02:22 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: @realwar, I took the bullet points from your post to respond to them directly. Mental health responders to attend mental health crisis in place of armed police And what are they going to do when Mr. Crazy is armed with a weapon and starts attacking people? What if Mr. Crazy is a slasher and has a machete or he's another Whiskey Warrior but go off on full cock and starts shooting people? Street outreach teams, more shelters and affordable housing to help solve homelessness and stop the homeless from being criminalized Okay, on the surface, that sounds fine. But doesn't the City already have a Public Housing Department? Traffic stops to be eliminated entirely, with traffic violations dealt with via. mail LOL.... so what are they going to do for DIUs, Hit & Runs, or other vehicle violations that result in property/bodily injury? Community members to attend domestic violence calls, to help intervene and establish long-term safety for the individuals LOL.... WTF are they going to do when the Abuser is a Big 6'2" MoFo and he's crippled the spouse and killed the kid? What are they goignt o do when the Abuser refuses to open the door and has the victims locked inside and gagged? Specialized physical and emotional support for victims of sexual violence WTF does that even mean? Doesn't the City already have Social Case Workers to provide support to rape victims? Investing in prevention of sex trafficking to end economic and social conditions that lead to deeply rooted vulnerabilities LOL, they think they're going to figure out sex crimes? The legalization of marijuana to stop incarceration for the 'harmless' drug That's an issue with their State Government and if they want dope legalized. They need to pass a bill that does so. Better handling of drug offences to stop 'criminalizing of communities of color' Again, legalization is a State Issue. Decriminalization of sex work and formation of an independent union to ensure individuals have insurance, child care and safety precautions Expect more sex crimes. Restorative justice (meetings between victim and offender) to be used to deal with property crimes such as theft and burglary Good fucking luck with that. I am all for science experiments like that on a city or even state level. I think it serves the country well to always be trying new methods and seeing what works (and seeing what doesn’t work). With that said, it needs to be done like science and have everything out in the open and if it fails, that needs to be admitted. Also people need to be given the chance to gtfo when someone proposes a something that will very likely end up with a zombie apocalypse type outcome like in MN. There’s no one size fits all for the US and states should be free to experiment and other states should be looking at the results of these experiments. In all likelihood this defunding and rainbow happy fun time approach to policing will result in lots of deaths and gang rule, but at least other states can point to it when people start demanding the same courses of action. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:04:00 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: So what is your solution? Not being sarcastic. Honest question. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: The TEA Party was an attempt top reform the GOP and the GOP absolutely crushed it. You and I aren't the base of the party. If we were, they'd represent us. So what is your solution? Not being sarcastic. Honest question. 1. Third Parties are rarely viable. The Republicans and Democrats have passed laws in States across the Country to lock out Third Parties from gaining traction. 2. The Republicans would infiltrate and destroy the Third Party, like they've done with the TEA Party. 3. The general voter is a fucking idiot and will view any Third Party as a joke. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:05:50 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: So. A friend of mine showed me the speech their CEO is requiring all senior management to give today during the funeral. If white, they have to acknowledge the pain and suffering they have caused. He has to acknowledge the black people that work for him and apologize to them.They have to enforce and hour of silence during the funeral. No work, no talking. They have to mention the names of the black people killed by police that have been cycling through the media. He has to kneel while doing all of this. I shit you not, the speech even has "hope and change" written into it at the end. In addition, they have to offer all employees the time off to go to the funeral (Houston office) and all employees nationwide the next two days off to grieve. What in the cornbread hell is that crap? |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:07:44 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Yeah, I know. It works both ways though. Both sides cheat. Do we just give up? I’d rather fight till my last breath. Catch them cheating, and get our ground game to be better than theirs, stirring up actual voters. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By ben123: This is what we need to do . I don't if it violates COC but I'm gunna say it: We need to fucking grow some balls, get behind our police (organize with police, cooperate with, what ever that looks like), activate organized local militia and come up against these fucks with numbers. Display that they won't have thier way and burn our country. Enough is going to be enough eventually. When this has to happen I don't know but I would encourage you, start having serious conversations with LEO's, military friends, like minded sane people and start planning for the "what ifs ?" Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person. So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. What’s that saying? People get the government they deserve... Vote (or force) them out. Voter fraud is real. Yeah, I know. It works both ways though. Both sides cheat. Do we just give up? I’d rather fight till my last breath. Catch them cheating, and get our ground game to be better than theirs, stirring up actual voters. Dems and republicans are the same people.... I'm not either of those |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:10:02 AM EST
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:13:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: Crash_Test_Dhimmi]
[#42]
I can totally see someone with no morals or convictions pulling an LRon Hubbard and making a totally fabricated brick and mortar religion out of this. They have a 'martyr', they have a cult of personality, they are developing their own rituals. They have a theology concerning the original sin of 'Wypipo'. They have an 'our way or the highway' mentality. This could very easily become an actual recognized religion that brings in tons of cash from the dupes and extortioned.
All they need is a conquering mohammed character and we are all toast. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:17:20 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Cute. They were trying to trip the automatic brakes with that black folding sidewalk sign. I wonder if that's the only reason he stopped. I suddenly feel smarter for specifically ordering my truck without the automatic braking/lane departure systems. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:18:43 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Man drives into crowd of Black Lives Matter protesters in Seattle and then shoots a 27-year-old demonstrator in the arm before being arrested Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/06/29348158-8397823-image-a-37_1591593823319.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/06/29348166-8397823-image-a-38_1591593827165.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/06/29348172-8397823-image-a-39_1591593834358.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/08/06/29348156-8397823-image-a-40_1591593841829.jpg More One of those murderous white Hispanics! |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:19:58 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: They come across as senseless tards. They should at least Google the memorials before vandalizing them. Kharn Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: Originally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/102932821_2720868194684003_2205525785726510980_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=2-d7y1nMbikAX_LdiiP&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=64f1513bd9e23e597ec608805ee6698f&oe=5F01BE0D Memorial to the Polish General who led the first battalion of black soldiers during the American Revolution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Ko%C5%9Bciuszko https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2720873498016806&id=100002825488957 "Polish Brigadier General Tadeusz Kosciuszko: - architect of West Point - fought against slavery - freed slaves - wrote to Benjamin Franklin about ending slavery - led very first battalion of black soldiers during the Revolution" It doesn't matter how warranted the memorial is or how ironic the defacement is. They want to destroy all memorials and disconnect the populace from their proud history and sense of ownership. They're replacing it with incessant lies about how our children are oppressive vindictive tyrants and so were all of their predecessors. The monument doesn't matter. Systematic disenfranchisement and shaping operations for a genocide are the goals. They're long-sighted enemy operations. Not simple acts of vandalism. They come across as senseless tards. They should at least Google the memorials before vandalizing them. Kharn Why? In their mind, anything prior to Year 0= Bad. They know everything. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:23:33 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By FistPeso: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: They don't want a soft police department. They want complete militarization; except with them using the police as attack dogs against us. Looting, pillaging, impeding the free travel of the citizenry, shutting down lanes of commerce, committing organized arson, paying for violence, flinging shit at police, smashing everything in sight, and generally looking like prison uprising is protected free speech that needs to be met with empathy and understanding. Show solidarity with the Antifa Terror Network by taking a knee. These same folks will endorse jack boot military take downs of every hard working, tax paying, utterly compliant gun owner for the 'Fascist Crime' of thinking the above is ridiculous. I WOULD NOT advise my children to pursue careers in law enforcement. So tomorrow's PD will be comprised of leftovers controlled by Commissars, backed by mayors who kneel before rioting terrorists. Imagine how secure voting will be! My son is interested in law enforcement. We had this conversation last night, he is backing away after seeing the bullshit happening around the country. Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. Try spending 20-30 years with a camera recording everything you ever do and all of it is a hateful effort to portray your actions in the worst light and prosecute you. Try not giving a liar an excuse to bear false witness for decades on end. Signing up to maintain order and being held out like a hood ornament for Antifa to fling urine at while being directed to stand down. Politicians and your boss siding with the felons against you. Every media and social-media outlet foaming at the mouth to slander you for performing your job function. I can't fathom a more hostile work environment. Fuck. That. Not lining up my children for that, thanks. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:23:41 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cecenrse:
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1269789566367608832/Tn1Q_yey?format=jpg&name=small These pieces of shit will be soon knelt to, worshiped and written about as heros by the local and national media. I hope these scumbags get the worst kind of karma that can possibly be delt. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:25:39 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: No smart one is going to commit employment suicide just because society demand's what you want, but won't provide the backing as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By FistPeso: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: They don't want a soft police department. They want complete militarization; except with them using the police as attack dogs against us. Looting, pillaging, impeding the free travel of the citizenry, shutting down lanes of commerce, committing organized arson, paying for violence, flinging shit at police, smashing everything in sight, and generally looking like prison uprising is protected free speech that needs to be met with empathy and understanding. Show solidarity with the Antifa Terror Network by taking a knee. These same folks will endorse jack boot military take downs of every hard working, tax paying, utterly compliant gun owner for the 'Fascist Crime' of thinking the above is ridiculous. I WOULD NOT advise my children to pursue careers in law enforcement. So tomorrow's PD will be comprised of leftovers controlled by Commissars, backed by mayors who kneel before rioting terrorists. Imagine how secure voting will be! My son is interested in law enforcement. We had this conversation last night, he is backing away after seeing the bullshit happening around the country. Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. No smart one is going to commit employment suicide just because society demand's what you want, but won't provide the backing as well. The worst possible position to be in, ever, is when you have RESPONSIBILITY for an outcome without AUTHORITY to change the outcome. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:29:01 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: So. A friend of mine showed me the speech their CEO is requiring all senior management to give today during the funeral. If white, they have to acknowledge the pain and suffering they have caused. He has to acknowledge the black people that work for him and apologize to them.They have to enforce and hour of silence during the funeral. No work, no talking. They have to mention the names of the black people killed by police that have been cycling through the media. He has to kneel while doing all of this. I shit you not, the speech even has "hope and change" written into it at the end. In addition, they have to offer all employees the time off to go to the funeral (Houston office) and all employees nationwide the next two days off to grieve. Hostile work environment. Lawsuit. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 11:30:49 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: I suddenly feel smarter for specifically ordering my truck without the automatic braking/lane departure systems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Originally Posted By Third_Rail: Cute. They were trying to trip the automatic brakes with that black folding sidewalk sign. I wonder if that's the only reason he stopped. I suddenly feel smarter for specifically ordering my truck without the automatic braking/lane departure systems. Sometimes you have to be smarter than the computer. |
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