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Originally Posted By djohn:
View Quote I know I've NEVER said this before (lol), but I dearly love DJT. I love me a brawler that fights dirty, but legal. It's amazing what a person with NO concept of quitting can accommplish. I'll stand by my President and fight for my country as long as he'll fight. If he gives up, I'll push him to fight moar and harder. |
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Riot Squad 2020 Magnificent Unicorn
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery Envy was once considered to be one of the seven deadly sins before it became one of the most admired virtues under its new name, 'social justice. |
2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
Originally Posted By jekbrown: The world should thank Israel and the agent that took this SOB out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jekbrown: Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: article says they don't know who did it, but want the world to condemn Israel anyway. The world should thank Israel and the agent that took this SOB out. Probably Baluchis or Kurds working for the Israelis. If you get a chance, read "Rise and Kill First", they talk about ops in Syria and Iran at the end of the book. Book outlet link. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128220067_10225503442000107_3127404036654278605_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_aid=0&_nc_ohc=CDTer-B0DboAX8CqD1v&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=50a5df70aa9c347de27357fe10c408a0&oe=5FE7D5AC Let's get it on! View Quote Oh boy, Let's poke the bear a little moar. lol We've still got a whole month left for madness, mayhem and hijjinks from the universe. Don't get too cocky, lol. |
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Riot Squad 2020 Magnificent Unicorn
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery Envy was once considered to be one of the seven deadly sins before it became one of the most admired virtues under its new name, 'social justice. |
Eberlestock is doing 20% off the F5 Switchblade back pack
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2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
Originally Posted By jekbrown: The world should thank Israel and the agent that took this SOB out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jekbrown: Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: article says they don't know who did it, but want the world to condemn Israel anyway. The world should thank Israel and the agent that took this SOB out. The rest of the world does. Fuck Iran with it's current regime. They have such potential. Occasionally I look back at photos of Iran when the shah was in power. It's nearly unbelievable to see bikini and mini-skirt clad babes walking the streets back then. |
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Riot Squad 2020 Magnificent Unicorn
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery Envy was once considered to be one of the seven deadly sins before it became one of the most admired virtues under its new name, 'social justice. |
We The People Holsters 25% off everything + free ship
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2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
Originally Posted By djohn: That's probably why Biden's team had him rockin' the double mask look for a while: https://media.self.com/photos/5f90742dac48df5449206302/4:3/w_2560%2Cc_limit/joe_biden_masks.jpeg I assume the procedure mask is covering an N95 with a valve. And I remember seeing this a few months ago:
For a valveless N95, I don't hate the 3M Aura 9205+, which folds flat, comes individually wrapped, and is usually available at a reasonable price: https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1833806P/aura-9205plus-sell-sheet-photos.jpg (Not a doomer. Just trying to be careful with friends and family members who check ALL of the higher risk categories.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By djohn: Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret: Even funnier, the "deadliest virus in human history" mask would be the only one deemed acceptable for use against it. Because all the rest have exhalation valves. More and more people are being asshats about that. I had to exchange my "good" respirator for a shitty Chinese procedure mask to go vote because mine had valves on it. Somebody else (client) mentioned it to me the other day too. Only the Chinese made procedure mask and the pinterest patterned mask made out of some cheerful non medical fabric is acceptable for the virtue signal virus. That's probably why Biden's team had him rockin' the double mask look for a while: https://media.self.com/photos/5f90742dac48df5449206302/4:3/w_2560%2Cc_limit/joe_biden_masks.jpeg I assume the procedure mask is covering an N95 with a valve. And I remember seeing this a few months ago:
For a valveless N95, I don't hate the 3M Aura 9205+, which folds flat, comes individually wrapped, and is usually available at a reasonable price: https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1833806P/aura-9205plus-sell-sheet-photos.jpg (Not a doomer. Just trying to be careful with friends and family members who check ALL of the higher risk categories.) For years I have used 3M P-95s when I have a need for various dirty work tasks. But since those are unobtanium since late January, I have to take care of the few I have left and use them till they are literally worn out. Recently was able to order some U-Line branded N-95s with valves on them to keep me going. Overpriced and when they arrived I was disappointed to see that they are made in China (or course). |
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“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: for the classic SIG lover, GRAY GUNS is offering 10% off nearly site wide - and - their classic series reduced pull weight trigger is on sale for $143 w/free ship. View Quote |
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“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Originally Posted By Cecenrse: That looks like something my Grandmother used to make, kind of. She would save scraps of everyone's clothing, extra cloth, sheets, etc. After cutting them into squares, triangles and other assorted shapes, she would piece them together to make a patchwork quilt. Hmmmm...doesn't quite look like a quilt...or anything else either. LOL View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cecenrse: Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/331455/Capture_JPG-1704235.JPGI'm at a loss here. Got nuthin' That looks like something my Grandmother used to make, kind of. She would save scraps of everyone's clothing, extra cloth, sheets, etc. After cutting them into squares, triangles and other assorted shapes, she would piece them together to make a patchwork quilt. Hmmmm...doesn't quite look like a quilt...or anything else either. LOL Looks like somebody got three M65 field jackets, each in a different camo pattern, and took all the seams out, mixed all the pieces up, then randomly picked out enough pieces to sew a jacket back together. Given the weird ways that the 'hip' crowd has found to make surplus military gear fashionable (even paying double the price to companies that are selling cheap knockoffs of surplus military gear), I wouldn't be surprised if that picture is from website selling it as a fashionable jacket. |
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Earthsheltered house - a reinforced bunker that even the treehuggers consider to be socially acceptable.
Earthbag house - like an earthsheltered house, but cheaper and easier to DIY. |
“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I can understand that, the reason I said that was guys I encountered would chase the next thing only a month after a big purchase without breaking in the unit or trying different tubes to customize their sound lol. But a hobby is a hobby and as Lance said it's a personal thing and if it makes you happy then that is all that matters. QFT View Quote Based on the commentary I’m probably preaching to the choir but a nice sound system needs great source material. Too much of what is produced today is mixed to sound good on crappy AirPods and the like. So boosted frequencies - so much so that they are cut off. I have a decent 5.1 surround and a Sony SACD and DVD audio set up. I bought a bunch of stuff when it first came out and look forward to stuff remastered for that format- Pink Floyd wish you were here is an an example. I have pretty eclectic taste in music so you’ll find 5.1 versions of Hiromi, Norah Jones, Metallica, The Who. the Flaming Lips, Clapton, Insane Clown Posse and more on my shelf. If you are looking for very well done remasters check out anything from Mobile Fidelity. I unknowingly - at the time - bought Pink Floyd’s Meddle when they released it in the early 90’s - for a two channel mix it is quite immersive. My got to source on best versions of source material is the Steve Hoffman forums. I stay away these days because I’d rather spend my money on other stuff. |
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“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Shameless plug. I know and have trained with Bruce Gray, and he is a great guy. If you love P series pistols and have never swapped in one of their triggers it's the best money you can spend on improving the weapon. View Quote |
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2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
Originally Posted By JPN: Looks like somebody got three M65 field jackets, each in a different camo pattern, and took all the seams out, mixed all the pieces up, then randomly picked out enough pieces to sew a jacket back together. Given the weird ways that the 'hip' crowd has found to make surplus military gear fashionable (even paying double the price to companies that are selling cheap knockoffs of surplus military gear), I wouldn't be surprised if that picture is from website selling it as a fashionable jacket. View Quote it was actually alpha industries. they had it reduced from $299 to $99, but only had it left in STONER size. |
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2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
Originally Posted By AZNetEng: So... lemme just say I have made more briskets over the years than I can count. I think this was the best one I have ever cooked. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103423-1704392.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103933-1704397.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103813-1704398.jpg View Quote |
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2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
Originally Posted By RSG:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En1dn9MXMAImELD?format=jpg&name=small View Quote Does that mean those ballots were not counted or??? |
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"There is a time for peace and talk and reason; and then, at long last, and only with sadness of heart and mournful admission that all your wisdom and words have failed, you must go kill you some motherfuckers and set some of their shit on fire"
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Shameless plug. I know and have trained with Bruce Gray, and he is a great guy. If you love P series pistols and have never swapped in one of their triggers it's the best money you can spend on improving the weapon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: for the classic SIG lover, GRAY GUNS is offering 10% off nearly site wide - and - their classic series reduced pull weight trigger is on sale for $143 w/free ship. DAMN IT! I wish y'all would quit making me spend money. Sincerely, Unapologetic SIG P series lover. |
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- "You have eaten snot and drank piss before my friend." -kncook
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: So... lemme just say I have made more briskets over the years than I can count. I think this was the best one I have ever cooked. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103423-1704392.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103933-1704397.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103813-1704398.jpg View Quote Sweet baby Jesus! |
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- "You have eaten snot and drank piss before my friend." -kncook
- 2020 Riot Squad member |
KF7WNX If you want a picture of the future, imagine Clownshoes stomping on a human face—for ever.
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Originally Posted By elcope: How about M series. SIG M17 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3446/M17_JPG-1676054.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By elcope: Originally Posted By FCSD2162: DAMN IT! I wish y'all would quit making me spend money. Sincerely, Unapologetic SIG P series lover. How about M series. SIG M17 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3446/M17_JPG-1676054.jpg Attached File Yes! |
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- "You have eaten snot and drank piss before my friend." -kncook
- 2020 Riot Squad member |
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret: Does that mean those ballots were not counted or??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret: Originally Posted By RSG:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En1dn9MXMAImELD?format=jpg&name=small Does that mean those ballots were not counted or??? "Every vote must be counted." |
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Earthsheltered house - a reinforced bunker that even the treehuggers consider to be socially acceptable.
Earthbag house - like an earthsheltered house, but cheaper and easier to DIY. |
Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: it was actually alpha industries. they had it reduced from $299 to $99, but only had it left in STONER size. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By JPN: Looks like somebody got three M65 field jackets, each in a different camo pattern, and took all the seams out, mixed all the pieces up, then randomly picked out enough pieces to sew a jacket back together. Given the weird ways that the 'hip' crowd has found to make surplus military gear fashionable (even paying double the price to companies that are selling cheap knockoffs of surplus military gear), I wouldn't be surprised if that picture is from website selling it as a fashionable jacket. it was actually alpha industries. they had it reduced from $299 to $99, but only had it left in STONER size. Hmm... make that three times the price. |
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Earthsheltered house - a reinforced bunker that even the treehuggers consider to be socially acceptable.
Earthbag house - like an earthsheltered house, but cheaper and easier to DIY. |
Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: They're local to me. Michael Victor is a good friend. Great guy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Ooooops...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436 Click To View Spoiler It was an assurance designed to bolster public confidence in the way America votes: Voting machines “are not connected to the internet.”
Then Acting Undersecretary for Cybersecurity and Communications at the Department of Homeland Security Jeanette Manfra said those words in 2017, testifying before Congress while she was responsible for the security of the nation’s voting system. So many government officials like Manfra have said the same thing over the last few years that it is commonly accepted as gospel by most Americans. Behind it is the notion that if voting systems are not online, hackers will have a harder time compromising them. But that is an overstatement, according to a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections. While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk. That team of election security experts say that last summer, they discovered some systems are, in fact, online. “We found over 35 [voting systems] had been left online and we’re still continuing to find more,” Kevin Skoglund, a senior technical advisor at the election security advocacy group National Election Defense Coalition, told NBC News. Kevin Skoglund, senior technical advisor at the National Election Defense Coalition.NBC News “We kept hearing from election officials that voting machines were never on the internet,” he said. “And we knew that wasn't true. And so we set out to try and find the voting machines to see if we could find them on the internet, and especially the back-end systems that voting machines in the precinct were connecting to to report their results.” Skoglund and his team developed a tool that scoured the internet to see if the central computers that program voting machines and run the entire election process at the precinct level were online. Once they had identified such systems, they contacted the relevant election officials and also provided the information to reporter Kim Zetter, who published the findings in Vice’s Motherboard in August. The three largest voting manufacturing companies — Election Systems &Software, Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic — have acknowledged they all put modems in some of their tabulators and scanners. The reason? So that unofficial election results can more quickly be relayed to the public. Those modems connect to cell phone networks, which, in turn, are connected to the internet. The largest manufacturer of voting machines, ES&S, told NBC News their systems are protected by firewalls and are not on the “public internet.” But both Skoglund and Andrew Appel, a Princeton computer science professor and expert on elections, said such firewalls can and have been breached. “AT&T and Verizon and so on try and protect as best they can the security of their phone network from the rest of the internet, but it’s still part of the internet,” Appel explained. “There can still be security holes that allow hackers to get into the phone network.” The 35 systems Skoglund’s team found represent a fraction of total voting systems nationwide, though he believes they only captured a portion of the systems that are or have been online. Earlier this week, Skoglund showed NBC three election systems were still online even after officials had been told they were vulnerable. For election systems to be online, even momentarily, presents a serious problem, according to Appel. “Once a hacker starts talking to the voting machine through the modem, the hacker cannot just change these unofficial election results, they can hack the software in the voting machine and make it cheat in future elections,” he said. The National Institute of Standards and Technology, which provides cybersecurity frameworks for state and local governments and other organizations, recommends that voting systems should not have wireless network connections. Skoglund said that they identified only one company among the systems they detected on line, ES&S. ES&S confirmed they had sold scanners with wireless modems to at least 11 states. Skoglund says those include the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida. While the company’s website states that “zero” of its voting tabulators are connected to the internet, ES&S told NBC News 14,000 of their DS200 tabulators with online modems are currently in use around the country. New questions about voting machines as 2020 election approaches DEC. 19, 201902:30 NBC News asked the two other major manufacturers how many of their tabulators with modems were currently in use. Hart said that it has approximately 1,600 such tabulators in use in 11 counties in Michigan. Dominion did not respond to numerous requests from NBC News for their sales numbers. 'Vulnerable to hacking' With the 2020 presidential election only ten months away, Appel and Skoglund believe all modems can and should be removed from election systems. “Modems in voting machines are a bad idea,” said Appel. “Those modems that ES&S [and other manufacturers] are putting in their voting machines are network connections, and that leaves them vulnerable to hacking by anybody who can connect to that network.” ELECTIONS Georgia secretary of state: Recount ‘going as planned,’ is ’transparent’ The state of Michigan is currently grappling with this issue. Since the 2016 election, Michigan authorized $82 million dollars to upgrade its election systems. Some of that money was spent on tabulators with wireless modems. But now, some state officials worry that the machines may pose a security risk and are pushing to have the modems removed. Others are not so sure, and the state has set up an advisory committee. Jake Rollow, director of communications for the Michigan Department of State, said in a statement to NBC News, “Even though the results are unofficial, if these unofficial results were disrupted or manipulated, it could still cause confusion on Election Day.” "The department will consider the advisory commission’s recommendations to improve the security of the process," Rollow continued. "The specific steps taken would depend on the recommendation and the timeline required to make changes effectively.” Oregon officials say vote-by-mail system improves security and turnout NOV. 2, 201802:41 Last fall, when ES&S gave NBC News an exclusive tour at its headquarters in Omaha, Neb., Chief Executive Officer Tom Burt defended using modems when asked about the Sprint and Verizon modems seen in ES&S's testing area. “There’s a small percentage of jurisdictions in the country -- a lot of them are in Florida -- who have decided they want to modem unofficial results to the election office,” he said. “Generally speaking, the media in those locations are kinda clamoring to get unofficial results as quickly as possible.” When asked if the desire for speed was at odds with accuracy and security, Burt said, “it’s not my place to judge that.” NBC News reached out to the Department of Homeland Security, which declined to comment on the topic of modem security in voting machine tabulators and scanners. 'Inviting trouble' Critics also argue ES&S has mislead jurisdictions into thinking their DS200 tabulators with modems are certified by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, a claim they say is grounds for an investigation. In a letter obtained by NBC News sent to the EAC on Tuesday, the nonprofit public interest group Free Speech for People and the National Election Defense Coalition asked the agency to look into whether ES&S violated agency regulations by implying that DS200 voting machines with modems are EAC certified. “ES&S has repeatedly advertised its DS200 with internal modem — a critical component to ES&S’s voting systems — as being EAC certified when, in fact, it is not,” the letter said. “We therefore again respectfully request that EAC investigate and take action to correct this serious issue.” Manufacturers who make voting machines testify before Congress JAN. 9, 202001:00 “Once you add that modem, you are de-certifying it,” Skoglund said. “It is no longer federally certified. And I don't know that all these jurisdictions are aware of that because ES&S is advertising otherwise.” But Skogland points to some good news. He believes there is time to make real change before the 2020 election. “We should be unplugging all of these machines from the internet,” Skoglund said. “Even for elections nights.” Appel agreed. “We can not make our computers perfectly secure," he said. "What we should do is remove all of the unnecessary, hackable pathways, such as modems. We should not connect our voting machines directly to the computer networks. That is just inviting trouble.” These two tech experts also agree on the path forward, saying they are comforted by the fact that most Americans will vote this year on hand-marked paper ballots which are counted by machine and can be recounted by hand if the situation warrants. The machines America votes on seem to be capturing the interest of some in Congress. The House Committee on Administration held a congressional hearing yesterday which was the first time the heads of the three major vendors, representing at least 80 percent of U.S. voting machines, appeared together for questioning. While lawmakers questioned them about foreign influence in their supply chains and whether they would comply with more federal reporting requirements, the presence of modems in some of their tabulators was mentioned but not pursued. EDITOR’S NOTE (Feb. 7, 2020, 11:15 p.m.): A previous version of this article stated that Kevin Skoglund and his team had found election systems using ES&S scanners with wireless modems connected to the internet in 11 states and the District of Columbia. The coalition says it is no longer certain that the number of states is correct, so the figure has been removed from the article. |
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Riot Squad 2020 Magnificent Unicorn
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery Envy was once considered to be one of the seven deadly sins before it became one of the most admired virtues under its new name, 'social justice. |
Originally Posted By FCSD2162: Sweet baby Jesus! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FCSD2162: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: So... lemme just say I have made more briskets over the years than I can count. I think this was the best one I have ever cooked. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103423-1704392.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103933-1704397.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103813-1704398.jpg Sweet baby Jesus! |
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“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Originally Posted By elcope: How about M series. SIG M17 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3446/M17_JPG-1676054.jpg View Quote what WML? is that an inforce? |
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2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
I came for the riots, I stayed for the shit posting. Official NorCal call sign: Cold Cuts Riot Squad 2020. We will shit on your pillow. You've read shit 3x now&you're still reading. What's wrong with you? |
Originally Posted By Cecenrse: Ooooops... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436 Click To View Spoiler It was an assurance designed to bolster public confidence in the way America votes: Voting machines "are not connected to the internet." Then Acting Undersecretary for Cybersecurity and Communications at the Department of Homeland Security Jeanette Manfra said those words in 2017, testifying before Congress while she was responsible for the security of the nation's voting system. So many government officials like Manfra have said the same thing over the last few years that it is commonly accepted as gospel by most Americans. Behind it is the notion that if voting systems are not online, hackers will have a harder time compromising them. But that is an overstatement, according to a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections. While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk. That team of election security experts say that last summer, they discovered some systems are, in fact, online. "We found over 35 [voting systems] had been left online and we're still continuing to find more," Kevin Skoglund, a senior technical advisor at the election security advocacy group National Election Defense Coalition, told NBC News. Kevin Skoglund, senior technical advisor at the National Election Defense Coalition.NBC News "We kept hearing from election officials that voting machines were never on the internet," he said. "And we knew that wasn't true. And so we set out to try and find the voting machines to see if we could find them on the internet, and especially the back-end systems that voting machines in the precinct were connecting to to report their results." Skoglund and his team developed a tool that scoured the internet to see if the central computers that program voting machines and run the entire election process at the precinct level were online. Once they had identified such systems, they contacted the relevant election officials and also provided the information to reporter Kim Zetter, who published the findings in Vice's Motherboard in August. The three largest voting manufacturing companies Election Systems &Software, Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic have acknowledged they all put modems in some of their tabulators and scanners. The reason? So that unofficial election results can more quickly be relayed to the public. Those modems connect to cell phone networks, which, in turn, are connected to the internet. The largest manufacturer of voting machines, ES&S, told NBC News their systems are protected by firewalls and are not on the "public internet." But both Skoglund and Andrew Appel, a Princeton computer science professor and expert on elections, said such firewalls can and have been breached. "AT&T and Verizon and so on try and protect as best they can the security of their phone network from the rest of the internet, but it's still part of the internet," Appel explained. "There can still be security holes that allow hackers to get into the phone network." The 35 systems Skoglund's team found represent a fraction of total voting systems nationwide, though he believes they only captured a portion of the systems that are or have been online. Earlier this week, Skoglund showed NBC three election systems were still online even after officials had been told they were vulnerable. For election systems to be online, even momentarily, presents a serious problem, according to Appel. "Once a hacker starts talking to the voting machine through the modem, the hacker cannot just change these unofficial election results, they can hack the software in the voting machine and make it cheat in future elections," he said. The National Institute of Standards and Technology, which provides cybersecurity frameworks for state and local governments and other organizations, recommends that voting systems should not have wireless network connections. Skoglund said that they identified only one company among the systems they detected on line, ES&S. ES&S confirmed they had sold scanners with wireless modems to at least 11 states. Skoglund says those include the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida. While the company's website states that "zero" of its voting tabulators are connected to the internet, ES&S told NBC News 14,000 of their DS200 tabulators with online modems are currently in use around the country. New questions about voting machines as 2020 election approaches DEC. 19, 201902:30 NBC News asked the two other major manufacturers how many of their tabulators with modems were currently in use. Hart said that it has approximately 1,600 such tabulators in use in 11 counties in Michigan. Dominion did not respond to numerous requests from NBC News for their sales numbers. 'Vulnerable to hacking' With the 2020 presidential election only ten months away, Appel and Skoglund believe all modems can and should be removed from election systems. "Modems in voting machines are a bad idea," said Appel. "Those modems that ES&S [and other manufacturers] are putting in their voting machines are network connections, and that leaves them vulnerable to hacking by anybody who can connect to that network." ELECTIONS Georgia secretary of state: Recount 'going as planned,' is 'transparent' The state of Michigan is currently grappling with this issue. Since the 2016 election, Michigan authorized $82 million dollars to upgrade its election systems. Some of that money was spent on tabulators with wireless modems. But now, some state officials worry that the machines may pose a security risk and are pushing to have the modems removed. Others are not so sure, and the state has set up an advisory committee. Jake Rollow, director of communications for the Michigan Department of State, said in a statement to NBC News, "Even though the results are unofficial, if these unofficial results were disrupted or manipulated, it could still cause confusion on Election Day." "The department will consider the advisory commission's recommendations to improve the security of the process," Rollow continued. "The specific steps taken would depend on the recommendation and the timeline required to make changes effectively." Oregon officials say vote-by-mail system improves security and turnout NOV. 2, 201802:41 Last fall, when ES&S gave NBC News an exclusive tour at its headquarters in Omaha, Neb., Chief Executive Officer Tom Burt defended using modems when asked about the Sprint and Verizon modems seen in ES&S's testing area. "There's a small percentage of jurisdictions in the country -- a lot of them are in Florida -- who have decided they want to modem unofficial results to the election office," he said. "Generally speaking, the media in those locations are kinda clamoring to get unofficial results as quickly as possible." When asked if the desire for speed was at odds with accuracy and security, Burt said, "it's not my place to judge that." NBC News reached out to the Department of Homeland Security, which declined to comment on the topic of modem security in voting machine tabulators and scanners. 'Inviting trouble' Critics also argue ES&S has mislead jurisdictions into thinking their DS200 tabulators with modems are certified by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, a claim they say is grounds for an investigation. In a letter obtained by NBC News sent to the EAC on Tuesday, the nonprofit public interest group Free Speech for People and the National Election Defense Coalition asked the agency to look into whether ES&S violated agency regulations by implying that DS200 voting machines with modems are EAC certified. "ES&S has repeatedly advertised its DS200 with internal modem a critical component to ES&S's voting systems as being EAC certified when, in fact, it is not," the letter said. "We therefore again respectfully request that EAC investigate and take action to correct this serious issue." Manufacturers who make voting machines testify before Congress JAN. 9, 202001:00 "Once you add that modem, you are de-certifying it," Skoglund said. "It is no longer federally certified. And I don't know that all these jurisdictions are aware of that because ES&S is advertising otherwise." But Skogland points to some good news. He believes there is time to make real change before the 2020 election. "We should be unplugging all of these machines from the internet," Skoglund said. "Even for elections nights." Appel agreed. "We can not make our computers perfectly secure," he said. "What we should do is remove all of the unnecessary, hackable pathways, such as modems. We should not connect our voting machines directly to the computer networks. That is just inviting trouble." These two tech experts also agree on the path forward, saying they are comforted by the fact that most Americans will vote this year on hand-marked paper ballots which are counted by machine and can be recounted by hand if the situation warrants. The machines America votes on seem to be capturing the interest of some in Congress. The House Committee on Administration held a congressional hearing yesterday which was the first time the heads of the three major vendors, representing at least 80 percent of U.S. voting machines, appeared together for questioning. While lawmakers questioned them about foreign influence in their supply chains and whether they would comply with more federal reporting requirements, the presence of modems in some of their tabulators was mentioned but not pursued. EDITOR'S NOTE (Feb. 7, 2020, 11:15 p.m.): A previous version of this article stated that Kevin Skoglund and his team had found election systems using ES&S scanners with wireless modems connected to the internet in 11 states and the District of Columbia. The coalition says it is no longer certain that the number of states is correct, so the figure has been removed from the article. View Quote |
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Mike_314....If there was communism in the desert, there would soon be a shortage of sand.
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Originally Posted By FCSD2162: Sweet baby Jesus! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FCSD2162: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: So... lemme just say I have made more briskets over the years than I can count. I think this was the best one I have ever cooked. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103423-1704392.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103933-1704397.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103813-1704398.jpg Sweet baby Jesus! Where is that plane ticket now eh..... |
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Passed out in a food coma with my laptop in bed before I could finish catching up yesterday.
Had a great thanksgiving. Went to my friends' house, very strong conservative family. I keep the sisters fairly well informed with info from arf, but our conversation infront of the parents and aunts/uncles led to a lot of yelling and screaming (in AGREEMENT). Happy to inform and hope they'll spread it farther. Lots of Trump support in southern SC too. Got some dirty looks for my Trump sticker/hat at the Tesla supercharger in Augusta though. |
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2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Just made the wife brisket soft tacos and I made 3 sliders with the leftover dinner rolls from last night. Tasty... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Originally Posted By FCSD2162: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: So... lemme just say I have made more briskets over the years than I can count. I think this was the best one I have ever cooked. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103423-1704392.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103933-1704397.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103813-1704398.jpg Sweet baby Jesus! I just had turkey sliders on leftover rolls. I would have rather had yours, but it was still good! |
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Originally Posted By cistercian: I always wanted a system that could do live rock show levels...and never built one. Recently in the past couple of years I finally bought some 3 way PA speakers that sound very good. I used an ancient sony cd player into a simple mixer into a pa amp and was content. Then the CD player failed. The new one had horrible frequency response...the analog out was pitiful. So I bought a DAC, a RME ADI FS-2. Now I had bass and treble contol as well as an EQ and remote control as well! I was frankly horrified to discover how poor my old cd player was compared to the new DAC. I hear details in my music I never heard before. The system is end game for me...I will never "upgrade" it. Tascam CD-200BT as a transport RME ADI FS-2 DAC and headphone amp Crown XLS 2502 amplifier JBL SRX 835 Passive 3 way PA speakers. EDM, Industrial, Rock, Classical...you name it, it sounds EPIC. My system easily achieves live rock levels when I want to rock hard. Mission accomplished. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cistercian: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By zach_: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, this... Plus most people are also constantly chasing a sound, so constantly chasing new gear and equipment, without actually just listening to the music with their setups. I love my humble audio system. I spent my years from 1981 to 2013 in audio/video/security/automation. My time was split in field tech, sales, management, and everything else involved. I accumulated a decent system over the years. It changed constantly. A warm, powerful audio system can save your soul. I can understand that, the reason I said that was guys I encountered would chase the next thing only a month after a big purchase without breaking in the unit or trying different tubes to customize their sound lol. But a hobby is a hobby and as Lance said it's a personal thing and if it makes you happy then that is all that matters. A warm, powerful audio system can save your soul.[ I always wanted a system that could do live rock show levels...and never built one. Recently in the past couple of years I finally bought some 3 way PA speakers that sound very good. I used an ancient sony cd player into a simple mixer into a pa amp and was content. Then the CD player failed. The new one had horrible frequency response...the analog out was pitiful. So I bought a DAC, a RME ADI FS-2. Now I had bass and treble contol as well as an EQ and remote control as well! I was frankly horrified to discover how poor my old cd player was compared to the new DAC. I hear details in my music I never heard before. The system is end game for me...I will never "upgrade" it. Tascam CD-200BT as a transport RME ADI FS-2 DAC and headphone amp Crown XLS 2502 amplifier JBL SRX 835 Passive 3 way PA speakers. EDM, Industrial, Rock, Classical...you name it, it sounds EPIC. My system easily achieves live rock levels when I want to rock hard. Mission accomplished. I was going to say, live rock sound levels usually equals horn speakers, but I see you got where you planned on getting. When your paying attention to your music and happy with how it sounds, and not worrying about what your system is doing to the music, you have arrived. |
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2 weeks. C'mon, Man!
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: So... lemme just say I have made more briskets over the years than I can count. I think this was the best one I have ever cooked. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103423-1704392.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103933-1704397.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/430646/20201127_103813-1704398.jpg View Quote Good job dude! Nothing better than a perfect brisket. |
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Shameless plug. I know and have trained with Bruce Gray, and he is a great guy. If you love P series pistols and have never swapped in one of their triggers it's the best money you can spend on improving the weapon. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By RSG: For years I have used 3M P-95s when I have a need for various dirty work tasks. But since those are unobtanium since late January, I have to take care of the few I have left and use them till they are literally worn out. Recently was able to order some U-Line branded N-95s with valves on them to keep me going. Overpriced and when they arrived I was disappointed to see that they are made in China (or course). View Quote According to 3M, the 9205+ Aura is Made in the USA. Unfortunately, it's an N- mask (not a P- mask), so NOT rated for oily aerosols (ahem, "spicy air"). For dirty work tasks (sanding, painting, and ding repair on surfboards ), I'm still relying on the bulkier but more effective 3M half-face respirators. 7093 P1OO filters are readily available from domestic sellers on eBay, and even the 6035 medical filters seem to be available from international sellers. Hard shell filters last a lot longer for me than N95 masks (so more cost effective), and the respirators provide a more reliable face seal, but YMMV. I miss being able to casually stock up on basic masks and gloves at Home Depot. |
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