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Posted: 12/13/2020 1:01:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: My concern was for you pointing yourself out in the video, and describing what you were doing to avoid detection. I checked very carefully, I was not able to see myself in the video. But you are right, I should probably be a little tighter lipped about my methods |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 1:08:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everybodygotone: -Are pepper spray/paintball guns even worth it (see Lee Keltner). More tools in the toolbox, but understand their limitations. -Some of this seems like trying to beat the enemy at their own game rather than making them play yours. Yes, don't play their game. Set your own game up where you define the rules. -Even in clear cases of self defense, big city DA's will try to ruin your life so why bother playing by the rules? Don't get caught. -Playing by the rules when your opponent doesn't feels like quite a handicap, especially when big city LE have demonstrated they won't step in. Yep, accept the handicap or don't play by the rules. Do what you're comfortable with doing. -As much as I hate masks (don't even own one) there might be some benefits. Shemaghs, and gas masks also conceal ones identity so long as your tattoos or other markings are covered up as well. Please leave your smartphone at home as well as your titled vehicles. -These events need some overwatch in case commies try to bullet hose a crowd of patriots. Don't go alone. Organize with like minded friends and family. Have a goal, have a plan to achieve that goal, have secondary and tertiary goals, have an exfil plan, have back up (QRF), have places to go when you can't go home straight away . . . https://i.ibb.co/hfh4zxS/pepper-spray.jpg 
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Posted: 12/13/2020 1:29:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: JCoop]
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It's not so much fun when the good guys start hitting back.
Edit: Instagram not liking me today https://www.instagram.com/p/CIuqlYnA_DI/ |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 1:33:54 PM EST
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Please check your PM's, I messaged a number of you about something.
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Posted: 12/13/2020 1:39:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: MRTsHaircut]
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ETA edited per request
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Posted: 12/13/2020 1:44:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: It's not so much fun when the good guys start hitting back. Edit: Instagram not liking me today https://www.instagram.com/p/CIuqlYnA_DI/ God bless it, it feels so good to watch that and I grit my teeth just wanting to see them get pummeled more and more and more.... |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:05:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Hope this helps VERY helpful - thank you! Shoot, move, and communicate  |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:08:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: Originally Posted By Everybodygotone: -Are pepper spray/paintball guns even worth it (see Lee Keltner). More tools in the toolbox, but understand their limitations. -Some of this seems like trying to beat the enemy at their own game rather than making them play yours. Yes, don't play their game. Set your own game up where you define the rules. -Even in clear cases of self defense, big city DA's will try to ruin your life so why bother playing by the rules? Don't get caught. -Playing by the rules when your opponent doesn't feels like quite a handicap, especially when big city LE have demonstrated they won't step in. Yep, accept the handicap or don't play by the rules. Do what you're comfortable with doing. -As much as I hate masks (don't even own one) there might be some benefits. Shemaghs, and gas masks also conceal ones identity so long as your tattoos or other markings are covered up as well. Please leave your smartphone at home as well as your titled vehicles. -These events need some overwatch in case commies try to bullet hose a crowd of patriots. Don't go alone. Organize with like minded friends and family. Have a goal, have a plan to achieve that goal, have secondary and tertiary goals, have an exfil plan, have back up (QRF), have places to go when you can't go home straight away . . . https://i.ibb.co/hfh4zxS/pepper-spray.jpg @Everybodygotone @MotorMouth excellent analysis and suggestions! Much appreciated. 
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:10:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: No, that not what they say. Half the dude's age plus seven years is not the ideal age of woman to date. It is the youngest socially acceptable age that a man can date. 14 / 2 + 7 = 14 16 / 2 + 7 = 15 18 / 2 + 7 = 16 20 / 2 + 7 = 17 22 / 2 + 7 = 18 I think laws vary by state, but the 20 year old guy might be in danger of some legal issues. Other than that hiccup, I think you've identified the motive behind the formula. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:12:04 PM EST
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While only semi-related here, this is what we will be facing the next four years unless something happens soon.
https://everytown.org/report/six-gun-violence-prevention-priorities-for-the-117th-congress/?akid=270321.7262998.ofUpZd&rd=1&refcode=emne_Congress-2021-action-20201213&source=emne_Congress-2021-action-20201213&t=12&utm_campaign=Congress-2021-action-20201213&utm_medium=e&utm_source=emne_Congress-2021-action-20201213 |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:14:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airmandaniel: My biggest takeaway from yesterday is our numbers. In areas such as here we simply don’t have the turnout compared to antifa. We also didn’t seem to have the staying power. They had people trickling into the area all morning and afternoon, it seemed a majority of our group showed up at once and then kind of scattered after that. They were distributed all over the city for parking and probably surveillance purposes. Our side seems to congregate and park in the same places every time. Once the main protest was over our side scattered fairly quickly, they stayed en mass. I observed one MAGA guy heading out of the area with a long gun, he was being paralleled by almost the entire black block protest group on the other side of the road. There was plenty of shit talking, but it seemed no one wanted to engage at that point. Echo squad of antifa was following him until he got out of the area. We need to organize and in a big way. Communication and planning ahead of time will make things more effective. Having a security element to counter their security elements is a must. We need to have a separation between brawlers and shooters. Our shooters get too involved in a fight which can lead to them firing shots. I know it runs counter to most of our thinking, but we need to be masking up while doing these events. I look at so many photos and videos of confrontations and the guys/gals on our side are almost always unmasked. There’s a reason so many of their people are able to get away with stuff, you can’t ID who they are without a hell of a lot of work. A good balaclava will hide your identity and prevent doxing. These guys seem to have a fairly sophisticated intel gathering, we need to try to counter that when we can I love what you did, agree on infosec. A source (sounds korny to put it that way) in WA context, pointed out that we have mixed groups/competencies attending.. ie what you observed... So variable outcomes, mostly negative to date (in probably most mixes across the USA). Non-local offline layered networks, overwatch, required yes. Thank you for added knowledge. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:15:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: @Everybodygotone @MotorMouth excellent analysis and suggestions! Much appreciated.
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:24:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: No, that not what they say. Half the dude's age plus seven years is not the ideal age of woman to date. It is the youngest socially acceptable age that a man can date. Um. Look, I don't mean to be pedantic, but isn't that the same thing? |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:25:44 PM EST
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I don't know if they're planning another protest next weekend, if they are I will be unavailable to monitor it.
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:35:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bishopn87: Um. Look, I don't mean to be pedantic, but isn't that the same thing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bishopn87: Originally Posted By MotorMouth: No, that not what they say. Half the dude's age plus seven years is not the ideal age of woman to date. It is the youngest socially acceptable age that a man can date. Um. Look, I don't mean to be pedantic, but isn't that the same thing? If you were pedantic, you'd know that it isn't the same thing. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:36:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: 14 / 2 + 7 = 14 16 / 2 + 7 = 15 18 / 2 + 7 = 16 20 / 2 + 7 = 17 22 / 2 + 7 = 18 I think laws vary by state, but the 20 year old guy might be in danger of some legal issues. Other than that hiccup, I think you've identified the motive behind the formula. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Originally Posted By MotorMouth: No, that not what they say. Half the dude's age plus seven years is not the ideal age of woman to date. It is the youngest socially acceptable age that a man can date. 14 / 2 + 7 = 14 16 / 2 + 7 = 15 18 / 2 + 7 = 16 20 / 2 + 7 = 17 22 / 2 + 7 = 18 I think laws vary by state, but the 20 year old guy might be in danger of some legal issues. Other than that hiccup, I think you've identified the motive behind the formula. Yeah, when I was eight my girlfriend had to be at least eleven. 
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:45:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bishopn87: but isn't that the same thing? Only if you consider the ideal woman to date, to be the youngest that you can get away with dating. Personally, I think dating an 18 year old would end up being annoying. And my daughter gives me an ear full (then starts working on the other ear), when I jokingly suggest it. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:46:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HBAR16: Some of the digital radios can set transmit and receive Group IDs. Not super secure, but minimizes the risk of someone using the same frequency and hearing you talk. Everyone has to agree on the TX and RX group IDs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HBAR16: Originally Posted By Bigtwinlvr: DMR has its own issues. You need comms that are not reliant on networks to work, and I’m not sure how well dmr will do as a stand alone. With decent vhf/uhf ham radios, they sound excellent when working simplex. Fidelity isn’t a main priority as you aren’t running a music radio station. Able to read is priority. Only thing would be if you could have a truly encrypted channel that couldn’t be hacked easily. Some of the digital radios can set transmit and receive Group IDs. Not super secure, but minimizes the risk of someone using the same frequency and hearing you talk. Everyone has to agree on the TX and RX group IDs. This, dmr isn't great for encryption but it is readily available, understandable, and utilizes security through obscurity. A large band area, digital, channelized, simple keys, and we can buy mobile repeaters, radios, uplinks |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:48:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: I'm not buying this vaccine bullshit. How did they already have millions of doses ready that has to be stored at 70 below in such short time? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By Mariner82: Originally Posted By Cecenrse:
I'm not buying this vaccine bullshit. How did they already have millions of doses ready that has to be stored at 70 below in such short time? |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:54:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mort: Trump said they paid the companies involved with potential vaccines to manufacture a bunch of each potential vaccine while they were undergoing testing trials. The experts said months ago that making a vaccine is relatively easy, the hard part is vigerously testing each prototype vaccine to prove that it works and doesn't have side effects. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mort: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By Mariner82: Originally Posted By Cecenrse:
I'm not buying this vaccine bullshit. How did they already have millions of doses ready that has to be stored at 70 below in such short time? And the British seem to have already had some 'side effects', after releasing the vaccine in their country. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:54:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strykewolf: We tend to suck on egress and Antifa knows it. We need a new approach to interaction. They have coordination, communication. We need to find it and disable it. We need to figure out how to engage. This is lawlessness. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:54:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Do we have a list of on the ground independent journalists who are not commie sympathizer? Commies have been attacking reporters who don't protect them. If you want better journalists you will need to find and support decent independents. Since all the national outlets have proven they are the enemy of democracy. If you know any former military looking for a new career, we need honest reporters that can survive the mobs and dig up and reveal dirt on the established news outlets. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:58:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: aeroworksxp]
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:04:10 PM EST
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3700!
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:06:29 PM EST
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You people and your page ownage.
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:06:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: 3700! |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:07:35 PM EST
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3700
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:09:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BethanyHatch:  How can you laugh at the demise of Little Foot? I don't know who hurt you, but I don't find it appropriate to target your vengeance on the cutest dinosaur that ever walked this planet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BethanyHatch: Originally Posted By kbi: Oh god Im gonna be laughing all the way back to my compound thinking about lil foot now  I need interwebs like yesterday How can you laugh at the demise of Little Foot? I don't know who hurt you, but I don't find it appropriate to target your vengeance on the cutest dinosaur that ever walked this planet. He played with three horns. They don't play with longnecks. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:10:31 PM EST
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Ok roll of the dice -3700!
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:11:40 PM EST
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@airmandaniel
I believe you were asking about this for covert ops: https://www.amazon.com/BTECH-Connector-Adapter-Compatible-Headsets/dp/B019YJMRZS  
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:12:41 PM EST
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:13:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Psmith: @airmandaniel I believe you were asking about this for covert ops: https://www.amazon.com/BTECH-Connector-Adapter-Compatible-Headsets/dp/B019YJMRZS www.amazon.com/dp/B019YJMRZS I appreciate it. I'll order and see how it does! |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:16:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: It's not so much fun when the good guys start hitting back. Edit: Instagram not liking me today https://www.instagram.com/p/CIuqlYnA_DI/ Instead of beating the shit out of them, I'd love to see any Antifa member caught alone ziptied and left face down |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:16:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 30calTBLkid: He played with three horns. They don't play with longnecks. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:17:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airmandaniel: I appreciate it. I'll order and see how it does! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airmandaniel: Originally Posted By Mr_Psmith: @airmandaniel I believe you were asking about this for covert ops: https://www.amazon.com/BTECH-Connector-Adapter-Compatible-Headsets/dp/B019YJMRZS www.amazon.com/dp/B019YJMRZS I appreciate it. I'll order and see how it does! Here's one that's smaller, listen only, without PTT https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Adapter-Talkies-Headset-Baofeng/dp/B078KJKK2C/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=baofeng+adapter&qid=1607890365&s=electronics&sr=1-3 |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:20:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: My concern was for you pointing yourself out in the video, and describing what you were doing to avoid detection. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: Originally Posted By airmandaniel: Originally Posted By MotorMouth: @airmandaniel Although you may feel safe to posting here because you're among friends, please bear in mind that not that read AR15 are on our side. We all appreciate the intel gathering, and what you've done, but don't dox yourself or put a target on your back. Also all of the signals intel you've gathered is helpful until the other side realizes that we have it. Then they can use that against us and/or change their comms protocols. ETA: We often joke around on Arf about OpSec and PerSec, but this kind of activity you're engaged in is when those concepts should be taken seriously. I agree 100%. I’ve gone out fo my way to leave out anything that might have helped ID me. The fact of the matter is if they were looking they would have found me. I felt it was more important to get the info out to people than the risk to me. If someone decides to try and track me down and get froggy because of it, well, I’m game. My concern was for you pointing yourself out in the video, and describing what you were doing to avoid detection. That would be a fun thing to do--comment here or there that they just passed "you" in a video, but "you" happens happens to be some random antifa-schmuck. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:21:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Psmith: Here's one that's smaller, listen only, without PTT https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Adapter-Talkies-Headset-Baofeng/dp/B078KJKK2C/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=baofeng+adapter&qid=1607890365&s=electronics&sr=1-3 Well looks like i have 2 on the way now. we shall see which works best |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:26:34 PM EST
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For everyone that has commented on opsec concerns, you are right, I need to do a better job of what info I share. I'm not used to being a grey man in situations like this. I have Pm'd and emailed a number of you about ways to alleviate this and have taken measures already on a number of my posts.
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:28:03 PM EST
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Are we there yet?
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:28:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: @Everybodygotone @MotorMouth excellent analysis and suggestions! Much appreciated. I'm not completely ignorant of the urban environment. I lived in a sketchy part of Denver during the early 90's. Had a front row seat for the riot in '92 and the urban decay / violence that followed. In big cities, patriots are the outlaws. It's one of the reasons I returned to my roots and never looked back. The stuff we prepare, organize, and train for is different though. I don't have much to offer my patriot brothers and sisters living behind enemy lines. But I love y'all. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:30:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cycolac]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ecgRN: Are we there yet? Nope. 
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:30:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By belted_guns: We need a new approach to interaction. They have coordination, communication. We need to find it and disable it. We need to figure out how to engage. This is lawlessness. One thing we have to remember is that many (maybe most) of these Antifa/BLM folks, who are willing to be aggressive, also live together 24/7 in communal squat type environments. They know each other, have pre-event planning meetings, coordinate their movements, and AAR's. But they also go home to the same places and live with their comrades. They also know their AO and don't care if they get arrested or not. In short, they know what each other are thinking and are capable of. We don't really have that advantage. We are spread out and like minded, but don't know one another's true capabilities or determination. I was struck yesterday by the mentally ill, childishness, and drug addled mob whining about smoke grenades affecting their health. Moments later 2 of them are in the street begging to be killed. Predictability is a weakness for us, just as unpredictably of the drug addicted, mentally ill mentality make them more dangerous than they would otherwise appear to be. JMHO |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:31:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreasyEasy: Fuck around and found out you communist faggots.....love it when they scurry like fucking rats FUCK YEAH YOU'RE BACK |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:36:02 PM EST
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:37:07 PM EST
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:38:26 PM EST
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:38:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 30calTBLkid: FUCK YEAH YOU'RE BACK @30calTBLkid Sent you a message |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:40:30 PM EST
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:41:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: Socalmopar]
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:41:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver:
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