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Posted: 8/25/2022 8:53:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2022 10:31:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2022 10:35:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2022 10:48:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evo7011: Saw this on Twitter, but it didn’t make the mainstream news. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evo7011: Saw this on Twitter, but it didn’t make the mainstream news. Yikes. Just another night in Chicago, unfortunately. More Chicago news: Concealed carry holder returns fire, critically wounding carjacker A concealed carry holder shot and critically wounded an attempted carjacker during an exchange of gunfire Monday morning in the Austin neighborhood. The 45-year-old man was in his car around 1:27 a.m. in the 5500 block of West Crystal Street when a gunman walked up and started shooting, according to Chicago police. The concealed carry holder returned fire, striking the suspect once in the upper chest, police said.  The suspect was taken by paramedics to Loyola Hospital where he was listed in critical condition, police said. His gun was also recovered from the scene. The concealed carry holder was not injured in the shooting. Police said the shooting stemmed from an attempted carjacking.  |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 11:35:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: It almost seems like various federal law enforcement agencies are posting stuff like this on purpose: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/usmsog_png-2502041.JPG /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/ThatsBait-133.gif Wasn't that the guy who started the shooting, by shooting a dog in front of the dog's owner (who was armed)? |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 11:38:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mariner82: How is this not fraud? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mariner82: Originally Posted By djohn: "GUNS 4 UKRAINE"  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/Fa4jYx5XoAAoq0t_jpg-2502052.JPG
No question that they are misrepresenting their event, by implying that the collected guns will be shipped to another country where they are needed. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 11:44:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: djohn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Wasn't that the guy who started the shooting, by shooting a dog in front of the dog's owner (who was armed)? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Wasn't that the guy who started the shooting, by shooting a dog in front of the dog's owner (who was armed)? Yes, according to the New York Times: Essentially, the jury found that Mr. Harris and Mr. Weaver acted in self-defense in the shooting death of Deputy Federal Marshal William Degan on Aug. 21. https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/09/us/rebuking-the-us-jury-acquits-2-in-marshal-s-killing-in-idaho-siege.html And the LA Times: Degan was killed in self-defense when he and the other marshals fired the first rounds and provoked the shootout. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-07-09-mn-11558-story.html |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 11:53:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Khonsu: Is that a pickle Rick sap? Yes. Yes it is. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 11:58:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: Yes, according to the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/09/us/rebuking-the-us-jury-acquits-2-in-marshal-s-killing-in-idaho-siege.html And the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-07-09-mn-11558-story.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: Originally Posted By JPN: Wasn't that the guy who started the shooting, by shooting a dog in front of the dog's owner (who was armed)? Yes, according to the New York Times: Essentially, the jury found that Mr. Harris and Mr. Weaver acted in self-defense in the shooting death of Deputy Federal Marshal William Degan on Aug. 21. https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/09/us/rebuking-the-us-jury-acquits-2-in-marshal-s-killing-in-idaho-siege.html And the LA Times: Degan was killed in self-defense when he and the other marshals fired the first rounds and provoked the shootout. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-07-09-mn-11558-story.html If my memory isn't off, Randy Weaver wasn't even involved in that initial shootout. The dog detected the Marshals, started barking and went toward them. Harris and Weaver's son followed the dog, to see what had agitated it. The (now dead) Marshal put a burst into the dog, just as Weaver's son caught up enough to see the dog and the person in camo shooting it. Weaver's son shot the person that had just shot his dog, and the rest of the team (who the son had likely not yet seen) started firing at Weaver's son and Harris, hitting and killing Weaver's son. At that point, the person who started the shooting, and the person that had killed the Marshal, were dead, but that led to escalating the incident further, as Harris apparently returned fire (in self-defense) before retreating, and the team initially reported that the first shots fired had killed the Marshal (but could not later explain to investigators how the dead guy had fired something like half a magazine after he died). |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 12:23:03 PM EDT
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The whole story is outrageous.
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Posted: 8/25/2022 12:46:24 PM EDT
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This isn't going the way they thought it would. Looks like a new target for Kyle.
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Posted: 8/25/2022 12:48:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher: This isn't going the way they thought it would. Looks like a new target for Kyle.
— Hellion One (@hellion_one) November 19, 2021 |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 12:54:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: It almost seems like various federal law enforcement agencies are posting stuff like this on purpose: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/usmsog_png-2502041.JPG /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/ThatsBait-133.gif I hope they aren't getting PTSD from the replies 
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:01:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Wasn't that the guy who started the shooting, by shooting a dog in front of the dog's owner (who was armed)? He's the guy that the Marshals say murdered Sam Weaver. I don't recall for certain if they also blamed him for shooting Sam's dog, but it seems like they hung the blame for everything they did on the dead guy, and now they're treating the dead guy as a hero. Remember that Kevin Harris did nothing worthy of criminal conviction when he killed that guy. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:05:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ecgRN: New ECD piece. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21318/IMG_20220824_190228215_jpg-2501970.JPG lol!!! I love it! |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:06:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: He's the guy that the Marshals say murdered Sam Weaver. I don't recall for certain if they also blamed him for shooting Sam's dog, but it seems like they hung the blame for everything they did on the dead guy, and now they're treating the dead guy as a hero. Remember that Kevin Harris did nothing worthy of criminal conviction when he killed that guy. Important points. Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:15:51 PM EDT
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just wanted to give an update on my Mom
she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:16:03 PM EDT
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Fantomas, thanks for the update on your mom, and best wishes for her continued recovery.
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:20:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: He's the guy that the Marshals say murdered Sam Weaver. I don't recall for certain if they also blamed him for shooting Sam's dog, but it seems like they hung the blame for everything they did on the dead guy, and now they're treating the dead guy as a hero. Remember that Kevin Harris did nothing worthy of criminal conviction when he killed that guy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By JPN: Wasn't that the guy who started the shooting, by shooting a dog in front of the dog's owner (who was armed)? He's the guy that the Marshals say murdered Sam Weaver. I don't recall for certain if they also blamed him for shooting Sam's dog, but it seems like they hung the blame for everything they did on the dead guy, and now they're treating the dead guy as a hero. Remember that Kevin Harris did nothing worthy of criminal conviction when he killed that guy. Part of the problem is that the story from the marshals changed as physical evidence (that conflicted with their previous story) was found. They have demonstrated that their word is questionable. Their initial claim was that subjects, that they were supposed to be watching, stumbled onto them and opened fire, killing their team member with the first shots. The partially empty magazine that was in the dead guy's gun, said otherwise. Either Weaver's son shot the marshal after seeing him shoot the Weavers' dog, or Harris shot the marshal in the exchange that happened after the dog was shot. Harris (again, if my memory isn't off) claimed that Weaver's son was shot before Harris himself returned fire. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:21:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Good news. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that excellent news! |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:25:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Good news. Prost |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:35:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Sounds like things are looking up. Good to hear. Be well. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom... Fantastic |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 1:56:00 PM EDT
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Good news
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Posted: 8/25/2022 2:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher: This isn't going the way they thought it would. Looks like a new target for Kyle.
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Posted: 8/25/2022 2:30:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Part of the problem is that the story from the marshals changed as physical evidence (that conflicted with their previous story) was found. They have demonstrated that their word is questionable. Their initial claim was that subjects, that they were supposed to be watching, stumbled onto them and opened fire, killing their team member with the first shots. The partially empty magazine that was in the dead guy's gun, said otherwise. Either Weaver's son shot the marshal after seeing him shoot the Weavers' dog, or Harris shot the marshal in the exchange that happened after the dog was shot. Harris (again, if my memory isn't off) claimed that Weaver's son was shot before Harris himself returned fire. And Kevin Harris, as a random dude I never met, has more credibility in this than all the Marshals on the scene put together, just based on the fact that I never heard of him saying anything that later proved to be demonstrably false. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 2:34:10 PM EDT
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Great to hear Fantomas!
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Posted: 8/25/2022 2:57:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/FawZ0h2XgAEeiqi_jpg-2502205.JPG @Skywarp2203 Somebody photo shop beitodesstrafe head on that guy lol |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 4:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: @Skywarp2203 Somebody photo shop beitodesstrafe head on that guy lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By djohn:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/FawZ0h2XgAEeiqi_jpg-2502205.JPG @Skywarp2203 Somebody photo shop beitodesstrafe head on that guy lol 
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Posted: 8/25/2022 4:47:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Good news! Glad was able to avoid the bag. Those are not pleasant. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:16:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evo7011: I'll check it out. I have been to Als and it's decent, but cash only. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124501/82D5579C-92BC-413C-A612-87D7365BA239_jpe-2501104.JPG |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ecgRN: New ECD piece. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21318/IMG_20220824_190228215_jpg-2501970.JPG |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:22:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:25:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Part of the problem is that the story from the marshals changed as physical evidence (that conflicted with their previous story) was found. They have demonstrated that their word is questionable. Their initial claim was that subjects, that they were supposed to be watching, stumbled onto them and opened fire, killing their team member with the first shots. The partially empty magazine that was in the dead guy's gun, said otherwise. Either Weaver's son shot the marshal after seeing him shoot the Weavers' dog, or Harris shot the marshal in the exchange that happened after the dog was shot. Harris (again, if my memory isn't off) claimed that Weaver's son was shot before Harris himself returned fire. It's been a while but wasn't Sammy shot in the back and the dog was killed by an MP5? Then Harris shot the marshal with a Mini 14. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher: It's been a while but wasn't Sammy shot in the back and the dog was killed by an MP5? Then Harris shot the marshal with a Mini 14. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher: Originally Posted By JPN: Part of the problem is that the story from the marshals changed as physical evidence (that conflicted with their previous story) was found. They have demonstrated that their word is questionable. Their initial claim was that subjects, that they were supposed to be watching, stumbled onto them and opened fire, killing their team member with the first shots. The partially empty magazine that was in the dead guy's gun, said otherwise. Either Weaver's son shot the marshal after seeing him shoot the Weavers' dog, or Harris shot the marshal in the exchange that happened after the dog was shot. Harris (again, if my memory isn't off) claimed that Weaver's son was shot before Harris himself returned fire. It's been a while but wasn't Sammy shot in the back and the dog was killed by an MP5? Then Harris shot the marshal with a Mini 14. I can't remember if I read anything clarifying where (front or back) Weaver's son was shot. Harris was later shot from behind (hit in the shoulder?), in the incident where Weaver's wife was shot and killed while holding a 'deadly assault infant'. Have to wonder about any federal agency that was involved, and willing to (many years later) bring attention to their involvement. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:37:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Great news. Did you make it to Berlin yet? |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: I can't remember if I read anything clarifying where (front or back) Weaver's son was shot. Harris was later shot from behind (hit in the shoulder?), in the incident where Weaver's wife was shot and killed while holding a 'deadly assault infant'. Have to wonder about any federal agency that was involved, and willing to (many years later) bring attention to their involvement. Like I said it's been a while but Bo Gritz used to talk about this on his radio show at great length. He brought out details I had not seen or read anywhere else. The FBI would have killed them all if not for his intervention. I know, Bo-Bo has become something of a punch line to many on this board.
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:53:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Thanks for the encouraging update! |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 5:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Great news. Did you make it to Berlin yet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Originally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Great news. Did you make it to Berlin yet? Tuesday is my Flight |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 6:19:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ecgRN: New ECD piece. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21318/IMG_20220824_190228215_jpg-2501970.JPG I need one of those. Not joking. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 6:30:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: Tuesday is my Flight Guten flug |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 6:35:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner01: Guten flug Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By Fantomas: Tuesday is my Flight Guten flug danke |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 6:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that This is a big hurdle overcome! Continued prayers for your mum and your family Fantomas. Really glad to hear she won't need the bag. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 7:26:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Best wishes for a speedy recovery. |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 7:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: Tuesday is my Flight |
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Posted: 8/25/2022 10:58:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evo7011: Saw this on Twitter, but it didn’t make the mainstream news. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124501/5C61A5DE-8123-49FE-AA3F-2ADACA383394_jpe-2502153.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124501/82D800D5-A59C-46C4-A497-44F797BA0EC8_jpe-2502154.JPG Chicago is still in the lead, but they shouldn't get too complacent in maintaining that lead. https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/high-school-freshmen-show-up-to-nashville-school-in-stolen-suv/ |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 3:42:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: just wanted to give an update on my Mom she had Surgery today and everything went fine. She will spend the next 2 days in ICU. My Cousin talked to the Nurse since nobody is allowed into the Hospital. I am very relived that she did not get a colostomy bag. That was one of the worries we had but her Colonoscopy yesterday did not show any damage to her upper colon. She will be in the Hospital most likely until the 2nd of September thank you to everybody for keeping her in your prayers I really appreciate that Praying for her recovery. CD |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 11:53:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillyDBerger: I need one of those. Not joking. Think I got the last one of the run. |
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Posted: 8/26/2022 1:12:52 PM EDT
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