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Posted: 8/25/2024 10:21:03 PM EDT
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An L52 105mm makes more sense. Towed guns should be 105mm. The US isn’t likely to be fighting a positional defense and the ability to move rapidly is important. 155mm is a better performer relative to cube against armor and a worse performer relative to cube against light targets. A formation that is going to fight armor should have self propelled 155s and a light formation 105s, some of which can be towed as needed.
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Posted: 8/25/2024 10:21:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: They managed to hit a chicken coop yesterday with a missile. Crap! Thanks for that info. Savages! |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 10:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: An L52 105mm makes more sense. Towed guns should be 105mm. The US isn’t likely to be fighting a positional defense and the ability to move rapidly is important. 155mm is a better performer relative to cube against armor and a worse performer relative to cube against light targets. A formation that is going to fight armor should have self propelled 155s and a light formation 105s, some of which can be towed as needed. Can we make "smart" rounds like BONUS etc. in a 105? I agree with the logic though. If it's not for racing along with tanks, keep it light as possible. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 10:37:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Yup. If the goal of the Kursk offensive is to trade land for land, it's a failure. It will be very hard to get the Russians out of Donbas while Ukraine will not be allowed to keep Kursk. The US and NATO will step in and make them give it back before the end. They should let the people vote. 
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Posted: 8/25/2024 10:46:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Can we make "smart" rounds like BONUS etc. in a 105? I agree with the logic though. If it's not for racing along with tanks, keep it light as possible. PGK is the only one of the more complex rounds that I know can be made in 105, the rest were problematic. There was talk of a hit to kill seeking round for anti armor. Never went anywhere. A 105 should be easier to airlift too, the barrels last a lot longer, and with a modular charge system you can get over 30km. Your other system then would be GMLRS. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 10:57:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: There are two groups driving America now: The leftist Neo-marxist democrats and the "Trumpsters" who are mostly ex-Republicans, Independents and a few old school democrats. The old Republican neo-cons are pretending to fight the marxists while sabotaging the Trumpsters. They just want the status quo to return where they are pretending to fight the democrats, fundraising along with them from the same crooked lobbies, many of them foreign, pretending to want to solve the problems "If we only had the WH, or Senate, or Congress, or SCOTUS" or whatever bullshit excuse only to keep the grift going. The republicans and the democrats would take turns in power, pretending to want to solve problems all the while getting rich and making things worse. Along comes Trump, makes the same claims to want to fix "this and that" and within a few months starts SOLVING THE PROBLEMS! The scam is exposed. The problems could have been solved all along, years, DECADES AGO. And now here we are. When dudes like Capta used to claim "Trump is not a Republican"...I would get upset because he has accomplished all the shit the Republicans have been talking about for decades. But Capta is correct. Trump is not that thing Republicans have turned into. So we can chose between the Neo-marxists mascaraing as "democrats" or the Trumpsters maskarading as Republicans. Because the system is totally crooked (ask RFK Jr.) you can only be one or the other... Todays trump people are blue dog democrats who were turning away from the democrats in the early 1990s. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 11:01:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: Honestly, Syrsky hasn't been nearly as bad as I thought he'd be. Now, he hasn't been great by any means, but he also hasn't been as disastrous as I'd feared initially. The difference been Syrsky and Zaluzhny is not principally great; their doctrinal approaches are similar and both are of the same old guard of the 1980s-1990s. I've heard rumblings that Syrsky is less willing to tolerate dissent than Zaluzhny, but it doesn't seem to have caused that many problems. Also, Zaluzhny and Zelenskyy were fueding very heavily prior to the former's removal, to the point that Zaluzhny was allegedly conducting operations without presidential approval. That relationship needed to end, one way or another. When it comes to replacing Syrsky, I'm certainly open to the idea, but it depends on who he's replaced by. Everything I've seen and read, to include from people within the AFU, indicates that Ukraine lacks good leadership at that level. Also, I'll say that I don't think that Russia has the mechanization, coordination, or logistical capabilities to exploit any breakthroughs they do make. Supposedly syrski removed one of very valuable staff officers because he could not tell him what day of orc occupation it was. He is also a micromanager. Early in Bakhmut he had a very large armored fist which he could have used to cut off the Bakhmut bulge. Instead he handed out the tanks piecemeal among various units. (this is all hearsay). Zaluzny was probably fired because of the operation which he was ordered to stop but he supposedly ignored zelenski and blew up the pipeline which has HUGE repercussions for Ukraine possibly costing them german aid. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 11:21:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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The Russian Armed Forces may be preparing a massive strike. There are about 60 Shaheeds in the air. There are also 11 Tu-95MS in the sky. And there are 4 Kalibrov missile carriers in the sea.
https://t.me/vchkogpu/50337 06:17 Currently, there are at least 50 attack UAVs in the airspace of Ukraine. Kyiv: 1x anti-aircraft gun in Obukhiv district. 3x UAVs from Chernihiv Oblast in the direction of Vyshgorod District of Kyiv Oblast. Chernihivska: 5x BpLA Prylutskyi, Nizhynskyi districts. Course Western, South-Western. Sumy: 6x BpLA - Okhtyrskyi, Romenskyi districts. Course Western, South-western. Kharkiv: 13th BpLA. Mostly in the South of the region. Poltava: 4 unmanned aerial vehicles in the Poltava district. Mykolayivska: 8x BpLA through Bashtanskyi, Voznesenskyi, Pervomayskyi districts. North-West course. Odesa: 2x BpLA in transit. Khmelnytska: 1x BpLA from Zhytomyr region. https://t.me/war_monitor/19920 ‼️Get your pops out of bed, wake up your loved ones and rush to shelter. There will be more than a lot of goals. https://t.me/eRadarrua/22187 ‼️✈️Attention! + Departure of the MiG-31K. The threat of launching Kh-47 "Kinzhal" missiles https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/100540 ⚠️🚢🚢+The enemy took the 4th missile carrier into the Black Sea, the total volley is 24 Kalibr missiles. https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/100541 4 missile carriers at sea: 1 submarine 2 frigates 1 small missile possible salvo up to 24 Calibers https://t.me/vanek_nikolaev/26019 |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 11:28:02 PM EDT
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Meanwhile, unknown drones are flying in the Saratov region of Russia
Local authorities say that they are all being “shot down,” but debris is falling in Engels, where one of the largest air force bases in Russia is based. https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/99022 The tallest building in Saratov is damaged after a drone attack this morning The drone debris (according to the governor's statement) fell on a house in the residential complex "Volga sky". The residential complex's website states that this is not only the tallest building in the city, but also "the tallest building in the Volga region (height 128.6 m)." The distance from the house to the military air force unit and military airfield in Engels is 12 kilometers and 22 minutes, ASTRA noted. https://t.me/astrapress/62770 |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 11:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: The Russian Armed Forces may be preparing a massive strike. There are about 60 Shaheeds in the air. There are also 11 Tu-95MS in the sky. And there are 4 Kalibrov missile carriers in the sea. https://t.me/vchkogpu/50337 06:17 Currently, there are at least 50 attack UAVs in the airspace of Ukraine. Kyiv: 1x anti-aircraft gun in Obukhiv district. 3x UAVs from Chernihiv Oblast in the direction of Vyshgorod District of Kyiv Oblast. Chernihivska: 5x BpLA Prylutskyi, Nizhynskyi districts. Course Western, South-Western. Sumy: 6x BpLA - Okhtyrskyi, Romenskyi districts. Course Western, South-western. Kharkiv: 13th BpLA. Mostly in the South of the region. Poltava: 4 unmanned aerial vehicles in the Poltava district. Mykolayivska: 8x BpLA through Bashtanskyi, Voznesenskyi, Pervomayskyi districts. North-West course. Odesa: 2x BpLA in transit. Khmelnytska: 1x BpLA from Zhytomyr region. https://t.me/war_monitor/19920 Get your pops out of bed, wake up your loved ones and rush to shelter. There will be more than a lot of goals. https://t.me/eRadarrua/22187 Attention! + Departure of the MiG-31K. The threat of launching Kh-47 "Kinzhal" missiles https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/100540 +The enemy took the 4th missile carrier into the Black Sea, the total volley is 24 Kalibr missiles. https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/100541 4 missile carriers at sea: 1 submarine 2 frigates 1 small missile possible salvo up to 24 Calibers https://t.me/vanek_nikolaev/26019 |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 11:50:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GBTX01]
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I am still amazed at how deep the noisy, slow moving drones are able to penetrate, especially during daylight! |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 11:56:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: qcka]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Yup. If the goal of the Kursk offensive is to trade land for land, it's a failure. It will be very hard to get the Russians out of Donbas while Ukraine will not be allowed to keep Kursk. The US and NATO will step in and make them give it back before the end. I felt for awhile that where UA succeeds is by sucking the Russians in past their tank traps, minefields and trenches and artillery support. We know the Russians suck at combined arms maneuver warfare and logistics. Stretch them, cut them off, defeat them and then leapfrog past the fixed fortifications and dig in. Rinse and repeat from the first counteroffensive that was so successful. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 12:32:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: Sounds like SAS has trained some people Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: Originally Posted By HIPPO: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/th-463.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GV02p9cXwAAb2Ps?format=jpg&name=large/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/th-463.jpg Sounds like SAS has trained some people There was a famous 'Desert Raiders' SAS/Commando mission in WW2. Previous missions, the Commandos had snuck into German airbases in North Africa, and attached demo charges to their planes while they were parked. To stop this, pilots were ordered to sleep beneath the planes. The Commandos stabbed them all in their sleep then blew up the planes. 
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Posted: 8/26/2024 12:53:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: stone-age]
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Is Belarus massing troops to invade or just to saber rattle for Russia?
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Posted: 8/26/2024 1:04:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Is Belarus massing troops to invade or just to saber rattle for Russia? |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 1:09:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Hoping Ukraine doesn't invade them. 
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Posted: 8/26/2024 1:20:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: One hell of an attack, Hope Ukraine is ready to counter it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By Prime: The Russian Armed Forces may be preparing a massive strike. There are about 60 Shaheeds in the air. There are also 11 Tu-95MS in the sky. And there are 4 Kalibrov missile carriers in the sea. https://t.me/vchkogpu/50337 06:17 Currently, there are at least 50 attack UAVs in the airspace of Ukraine. Kyiv: 1x anti-aircraft gun in Obukhiv district. 3x UAVs from Chernihiv Oblast in the direction of Vyshgorod District of Kyiv Oblast. Chernihivska: 5x BpLA Prylutskyi, Nizhynskyi districts. Course Western, South-Western. Sumy: 6x BpLA - Okhtyrskyi, Romenskyi districts. Course Western, South-western. Kharkiv: 13th BpLA. Mostly in the South of the region. Poltava: 4 unmanned aerial vehicles in the Poltava district. Mykolayivska: 8x BpLA through Bashtanskyi, Voznesenskyi, Pervomayskyi districts. North-West course. Odesa: 2x BpLA in transit. Khmelnytska: 1x BpLA from Zhytomyr region. https://t.me/war_monitor/19920 Get your pops out of bed, wake up your loved ones and rush to shelter. There will be more than a lot of goals. https://t.me/eRadarrua/22187 Attention! + Departure of the MiG-31K. The threat of launching Kh-47 "Kinzhal" missiles https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/100540 +The enemy took the 4th missile carrier into the Black Sea, the total volley is 24 Kalibr missiles. https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/100541 4 missile carriers at sea: 1 submarine 2 frigates 1 small missile possible salvo up to 24 Calibers https://t.me/vanek_nikolaev/26019 Well air defense is working overtime for sure. Good morning Ukraine.  |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 1:24:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Well air defense is working overtime for sure. Good morning Ukraine. Sorry to hear it. Stay safe. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 1:37:38 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01:
33sec video of Chinese ship hitting Philippine ship |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:04:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: There are two groups driving America now: Related real, well established psychological/political phenomenon:  |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:09:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: An L52 105mm makes more sense. Towed guns should be 105mm. The US isn’t likely to be fighting a positional defense and the ability to move rapidly is important. 155mm is a better performer relative to cube against armor and a worse performer relative to cube against light targets. A formation that is going to fight armor should have self propelled 155s and a light formation 105s, some of which can be towed as needed. Thats an interesting concept. There was a very cool, 17 ton 105mm SPG with a L/52-L/58 barrel, got 30km range, and used tungsten pre formed frag 105 to equal/exceed 155mm M107. Goal was a c130 deliverable SPG. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:20:28 AM EDT
[#22]
Yeah, the Denel G7 Stryker.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:21:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:09:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Way too close for me.
 Wow, I would pay for this! UA should offer Shahed hunting flights to gun nuts like us.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:25:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Wow, I would pay for this! UA should offer Shahed hunting flights to gun nuts like us. Stand by for the folks proclaiming Ukraine is wasting money using helicopters to hunt Shaheds. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:30:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Well air defense is working overtime for sure. Good morning Ukraine. Yeah, saw that a few minutes ago https://kyivindependent.com/explosions-in-kyiv-russia-launches-massive-missile-and-drone-attack-on-cities-across-ukraine/ |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:34:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Given the effects this has had on the Suez canal and what that is doing to the Egyptian economy, I am surprised Egypt hasn't done something. Don't they have some amphibious warfare ships and a decent airforce? |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:46:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:57:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 4:48:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 4:57:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 5:07:10 AM EDT
[#32]
brown pants for sure |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 5:28:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: brown pants for sure There was a children's hospital under the lake. 
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Posted: 8/26/2024 5:37:41 AM EDT
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Long interesting thread w/ receipts on Durov, Telegram, and the Russian govt.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 5:45:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 6:06:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:44:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: An L52 105mm makes more sense. Towed guns should be 105mm. The US isn’t likely to be fighting a positional defense and the ability to move rapidly is important. 155mm is a better performer relative to cube against armor and a worse performer relative to cube against light targets. A formation that is going to fight armor should have self propelled 155s and a light formation 105s, some of which can be towed as needed. What were those proposed little Humvee mounted guns? I think they were 105mm? |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:52:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GV5EdieWsAARMpS?format=jpg&name=large lol at "Party Loaf"
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:53:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: brown pants for sure There was something wrong with that cruise missile. That was a proper terminal dive that they do when they are near the target. I am wondering if the Ukrainian GPS jamming is working on these now. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:55:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: There was something wrong with that cruise missile. I am wondering if the Ukrainian GPS jamming is working on these now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By HIPPO: brown pants for sure There was something wrong with that cruise missile. I am wondering if the Ukrainian GPS jamming is working on these now. Hey, a reservoir is pretty critical infrastructure. The Russians consider that a direct hit! |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:58:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Hey, a reservoir is pretty critical infrastructure. The Russians consider that a direct hit! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By HIPPO: brown pants for sure There was something wrong with that cruise missile. I am wondering if the Ukrainian GPS jamming is working on these now. Hey, a reservoir is pretty critical infrastructure. The Russians consider that a direct hit! lol, I mean I guess I wouldn't mind if they do more direct hits on the water itself in the reservoir instead of the pump and controlling stations.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:10:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: PGK is the only one of the more complex rounds that I know can be made in 105, the rest were problematic. There was talk of a hit to kill seeking round for anti armor. Never went anywhere. A 105 should be easier to airlift too, the barrels last a lot longer, and with a modular charge system you can get over 30km. Your other system then would be GMLRS. Sounds like a good opportunity for some more development. I assume an arty fired 105 has good anti-tank capability since it's coming down at an angle. And with the new medium tank sporting a 105 it could benefit from developments also. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:14:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Meanwhile, unknown drones are flying in the Saratov region of Russia Local authorities say that they are all being “shot down,” but debris is falling in Engels, where one of the largest air force bases in Russia is based. https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/99022 The tallest building in Saratov is damaged after a drone attack this morning The drone debris (according to the governor's statement) fell on a house in the residential complex "Volga sky". The residential complex's website states that this is not only the tallest building in the city, but also "the tallest building in the Volga region (height 128.6 m)." The distance from the house to the military air force unit and military airfield in Engels is 12 kilometers and 22 minutes, ASTRA noted. https://t.me/astrapress/62770 Oh Engels REALLY needs to get clobbered!!! |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:15:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01:
I am still amazed at how deep the noisy, slow moving drones are able to penetrate, especially during daylight! Damn another interception  ...
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:18:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By qcka: I felt for awhile that where UA succeeds is by sucking the Russians in past their tank traps, minefields and trenches and artillery support. We know the Russians suck at combined arms maneuver warfare and logistics. Stretch them, cut them off, defeat them and then leapfrog past the fixed fortifications and dig in. Rinse and repeat from the first counteroffensive that was so successful. Yes I agree. It's better to fight on the nice clean Russian streets among undamaged houses (not for long) rather than on Russian terms wrecking Ukrainian town and villages. I think once the UA has gone as far and deep as possible, mine everything, maybe leave a token force with orders to withdraw quickly and attack some other soft Russian border region. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:23:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Shocked I am! |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:24:17 AM EDT
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Streiff's Update: Putin's War Week 130 Streiff starkly calls out the
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:25:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aikibiker: Given the effects this has had on the Suez canal and what that is doing to the Egyptian economy, I am surprised Egypt hasn't done something. Don't they have some amphibious warfare ships and a decent airforce? Someone needs to. Since the US has assumed the policy of hiding under a bed while yelling strong words. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:25:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:26:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Hey, a reservoir is pretty critical infrastructure. The Russians consider that a direct hit! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By HIPPO: brown pants for sure There was something wrong with that cruise missile. I am wondering if the Ukrainian GPS jamming is working on these now. Hey, a reservoir is pretty critical infrastructure. The Russians consider that a direct hit! MOA of lake is pretty good Rooskie shootin’. |
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