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Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: The Russians have made it clear what they want: the entire political and cultural subjugation of Ukraine, combined with its demilitarization. In other words, unconditional capitulation. That's actually a minimalist goal, by the way. A maximalist goal would be the expulsion of NATO from Eastern Europe and/or undermining article 5. When will people in "the west" understand: The Russians are not interested in negotiations with what they consider to be their food. Moreover, if someone tries to negotiate with them, they interpret it as weakness, as a sign that it's time to push more. And if they are in a position of weakness, they also aren't keen to negotiate, because they expect the same. Given their current position, I don't see any reason why Russia would accept such a peace deal, unless it involved significant concessions. There exists a chance of a temporary "ceasefire" that will be far more violent than anything between 2015 and 2021, during which the west may strangle Ukraine down in silence so that they won't resist that much when the full-scale hostilities resume in a few years, this time with a fully China-equipped reinvigorated Russian military. The more likely outcome, IMO, is that a hypothetical second Trump Administration tries to force that peace deal, it doesn't work, and the conflict continues on, only with Ukraine receiving little to no US support. Trump's hypothetical "peace plan" (try to force a deal by saying he'd give Ukraine more than Biden did if Russia didn't negotiate) rests upon the assumption that Trump would actually be willing to surge aid, which I doubt he would. It is Trump, though, so anything is possible. View Quote I agree with everything and I think Trump, after giving negotiations a good faith effort would surge aid to Ukraine rather than stopping it. Not because he want Ukraine to win or cares either way probably. But won't want to look weak or foolish and hasn't been bought by either side. Xiden is sending the trickle of aid while holding Ukraine back, appeasing Russia, because he is compromised by both sides. |
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Originally Posted By NEXT23: It is VERY clear to me that - We need to be in emergency/war time footing building Patriot launchers and missiles and a absolute metric shit ton of medium and short range ADA Drones- by the thousands- millions Submarines Ships Then a plan to deal with Iran, NK, and China View Quote Yup. In a WWII analogy we are still sleeping, watching the Spanish Civil War. China attacking Taiwan may be like the Sept '39 start of WWII or maybe the Norks attacking the South will be like Pearl...Not perfect analogies but some sililarities. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Why does the US get a say in the use of British weapons supplied by the British government? I insist that the US should not be inserting itself in the conflict unnecessarily. View Quote We shouldn't. But we are holding Ukraine over a barrel. They don't do what we say, we stop the trickle of aid that they depend on. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: Moldovan MoD- https://www.army.md/img/clr.gif CHIŞINĂU, September 12, 2024 — A contract soldier of the National Army, who was serving in the Joint Peacekeeping Forces, was mortally wounded today, September 12, as a result of a shot with the weapon provided, while serving at the post . According to the information provided by the Operational Command Center, the incident took place at 17:50. The doctors who arrived at the scene confirmed the death of the soldier. At the same time, a team of police forensics is investigating the case. The soldier by contract has been serving in the National Army since 2023. The Ministry of Defense expresses its sincere condolences to the family of the deceased soldier and will provide all the necessary support to elucidate this regrettable case. https://www.army.md/?lng=2&action=show&cat=122&obj=9252 View Quote "result of a shot with the weapon provided". So he shot himself by accident or suicide. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: If I'm not mistaken it's that "out of nato" part that makes sure that russia can invade again later. I think russias wet dream would be 1) Out of NATO 2)Russia gets to keep what they've taken 3)Russia is not responsible for fixing anything they've broken 4)Russia gets some of the sanctions lifted 5)Russia gets some time without war to rebuild and modernize their military. 6)They make some agreement to not invade, something they can just break later with little consequences. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: First, he's repeating something I have not believed, but has been posted in GD. Or rather, GD has apparently been repeating Putin's talking points for him again. He says only NATO troops can enter the targeting info into the western weapons systems, Ukrainian troops cannot do this. I think it's a lie. Can anyone confirm or refute this? I thought Ukraine was fully responsible and capable for entering targeting data for ATACMs launches, for example. Second, this is why I've been saying that the US government should STOP trying to MAKE the US into a party to the war. We are not and should not be a party to the war. But by micromanaging what Ukraine can and cannot do with the systems we provide them, we make ourselves party to the war. While it may pain me to say it, Putin has a valid point here: if the US is the one saying what can and cannot be struck, the US is a party to the war and therefore a combatant. You can't choose targets for attack and then say "I didn't pull the trigger, so I'm not involved." I absolutely hate the Biden administration for doing this. Give Ukraine weapons and let them fight. That's how a proxy war is supposed to work. This theory of 'escalation management' is and always was BS. View Quote Agreed on both points. |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: There are more out there seeking power and trying get into Congress, like this former CIA Office and Green Beret…: Link to article: Meet the Kremlin's ideal Congressional candidateArticle is in spoiler below. Click To View Spoiler “I mean Putin is a bad guy, but, like, a lot of people are bad guys. I mean he’s pragmatic.” This is how Joe Kent, a former Green Beret and CIA operative running for Washington state’s 3rd congressional district, described Russian President Vladimir Putin on a podcast earlier this year. Kent’s congressional race, a rematch between him and the district’s first Democratic representative in 12 years, is one of the most competitive in the nation. Last time, he lost by less than 3,000 votes. The Cook Political Report rates Kent's rematch against Congresswoman Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA) as a "tossup." When Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, Kent — only a few months into his first run for office — described Putin’s demands to claim large parts of Ukrainian territory as “very reasonable.” Kent’s campaign has also received significant help from Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), one of the most Russia-friendly members of Congress. Through his Protecting Freedom PAC, Paul has provided nearly half a million dollars to support Kent’s candidacy. Kent has echoed Russian propaganda about the war in Ukraine throughout his campaign during hours of interviews on conservative news programs and podcasts reviewed by Popular Information. Meanwhile, according to an indictment unsealed by the Department of Justice last week, Russian operatives have been running a massive disinformation campaign to sow division and decrease support for Ukraine in the US. Part of this program included amplifying anti-Ukraine messages from conservative US politicians, candidates, and pundits on social media to increase support among American voters for policies favored by the Kremlin. Kent and Putin: Ukraine and Russia share one culture and language The first piece of Russian propaganda that Kent has pushed is that Ukrainians and Russians are one people with one common history. On a podcast hosted by Sean Parnell in January 2024, Kent said, “Look, I don’t want America involved in the actual territorial dispute between Russia and Ukraine. I view that as an issue between two Slavic cousins. Like, they can figure out where those borders go.” Later on the podcast, Kent continued, “[Putin] understands all this and so like he’s never really had any aspirations to anything but unite the Russian speaking people. I mean, I’ll let the Russian speaking people hash that out on their own.” Here, Kent referenced one of the most important myths that the Kremlin has used to justify its war in Ukraine. If Ukrainians are actually Russians who share Russian culture and language, then Russia is actually saving its own people by invading. Several months before the 2022 invasion, Putin published an essay called “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians” in which he claims that Ukrainians are actually Russians. The Kremlin has maintained this narrative. In March 2024, Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, said, "One of Ukraine's former leaders said at some point that Ukraine is not Russia. That concept needs to disappear forever. Ukraine is definitely Russia. Historic parts of the country need to come home." But this narrative is false. While Ukraine has been controlled by Russia at certain times, it has a history of its own dating back to the 9th century and has been independent since 1991. And although there are certain regions of Ukraine where Russian is spoken, Ukrainian is a distinct language and is highly favored as the country’s official language and the language of education. In fact, since the Russian invasion in 2022, the number of Ukrainians who believe that Russian should be allowed to be a second official language in certain regions has decreased. Kent and Putin: NATO is responsible for Russian aggression Kent has also frequently pushed the Russian narrative that Russia was provoked to invade Ukraine by the expansion of NATO to Eastern European countries close to its borders. During the same podcast appearance in which Kent called Ukrainians “Russian-speaking people,” he also claimed that NATO is encroaching on Russia: [T]he next president, and I pray it’s going to be President Trump, I think he’s gonna have to be very clear that we’re not for NATO expansion because that’s really what started this entire thing. We’ve had this mentality that we need to continue to add countries you know to the eastern flank, right on Russia’s border of NATO. And that was against the original designs of NATO. Since the end of the Cold War, The Kremlin has used NATO expansion to justify its attacks in Ukraine. In December 2023, Putin said in a press conference, “We remember, as I have mentioned many times before and as you know very well, how you promised us in the 1990s that [NATO] would not move an inch to the East. You cheated us shamelessly: there have been five waves of NATO expansion.” The promise that Putin referred to, however, was never actually made. During early negotiations for the re-unification of Germany at the end of the Cold War, the US informally proposed a ban on NATO expansion in exchange for Russia giving up its half of Germany. But this condition was not a part of the final negotiations. Additionally, the most recent NATO expansions have been the result of Russian aggression, not the cause. When Finland and Sweden joined NATO in April 2023 and March 2024 respectively, they cited Russian aggression as the catalyst for joining after remaining neutral for so long. Kent and Putin: The US should focus on its own problems Another message promoted by Kent, which comes straight from Putin’s playbook, is that Ukraine should be none of America’s business. He made this point during an August 27 podcast: I mean Ukraine, before this war, was our 65th trading partner. Most Americans couldn’t find Ukraine on a map and that’s not a ding on most Americans. They couldn’t find Ukraine on a map because it didn’t matter that much to America. Roman Osadchuk, a research associate at the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, pointed out that whether most Americans can find Ukraine on a map or not, the US still has an obligation to Ukraine — in the form of the Budapest Memorandum. Signed in 1994, the Budapest Memorandum is an agreement between Ukraine, the US, and the UK that Ukraine would give up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for assurances that the other two countries would help Ukraine maintain its independence (although it did not specify exactly what such assistance would look like). Kent is “actually mirroring the idea that Russians are spreading most of the time, which is that all other countries should spend time on their internal issues and not be involved in [the Russia-Ukraine war],” Osadchuk told Popular Information. Heightening tensions over domestic politics in the US is one of the key priorities of the Russian propaganda campaign exposed by the DOJ last week. The scheme involved creating dozens of memes and other posts daily through social media accounts targeting conservative voters in all 50 states. The goal of such posts is to stoke fears about topics including the “threat of crime coming from people of color and immigrants (including new immigrants from Ukraine)” and “overspending on foreign policy [at] the expense of white US citizens.” Kent and Putin: Western support for Ukraine could lead to World War 3 Russia and Kent both want the West to focus on internal issues instead of helping Ukraine. And they both warn that the consequences of Western aid to Ukraine will be disastrous. During the August 27 podcast, Kent said, “So now we’re letting Biden unilaterally take us off to what would really be for all intents and purposes the start of World War 3 that potentially has a nuclear angle…The big question too is, like, it’s for what?” According to Osadchuk, Russia ramps up its threats about global war whenever more aid from the West is being discussed. But so far there has been no follow through. “So basically, they're trying to [say]... ‘oh, there would be World War Three if you would continue helping Ukraine.’ But every time, they back down. So every time when Ukraine asks for specific military equipment, Russia says that ‘if you give them [anything], it will be a huge red line.’ Then Ukraine receives it, and nothing happens,” Osadchuk said. Russian propagandists have been hard at work stoking nuclear fears. In the affidavit released last week by the Department of Justice when it indicted two Russian propagandists for pumping disinformation into American right-wing media, one of the goals of this propaganda campaign was described as “the creating of a nuclear psychosis.” Russia wants the US to be afraid that helping Ukraine will provoke global war. One cog in a disinformation machine It is unclear why Joe Kent, a combat veteran and former US intelligence operative, has turned to Russian propaganda. When Popular Information asked his campaign, there was no response. Whatever the reason and whether intentional or not, Osadchuk said that Kent’s rhetoric helps Russia. Idiots like this promoting "one people"/ no such thing as a Ukrainian don't know much about history or are wilfully ignoring it. I grew up with girl in the 70's that had to go to , as she called it, Ukie school on the weekends. Language, dance, history, culture that sort of stuff. Her father possessed a short temper whenever Russia was mentioned. He was a big carved wood wall hanger fan as well. Very European for Ohio. People like Kent, according to Osadchuk, are influencers. Being a politician, candidate, or talking-head, some people “are effective at promoting some specific ideas to a number of people. So in that way, they are amplifying them, willingly or unwillingly,” he said. Along with media influencers, candidates like Kent play an important role in Russian propaganda efforts, legitimizing their talking points. “What Russian then does with this is another important and interesting thing,” said Osadchuk. “They will point at this person and [say] ‘look, US politicians are certain that the US should not be helping Ukraine.’ They will write this in Russian, then [Russia Today] will translate it in English, and then it will be picked up again. So this is just a kind of feedback loop again and again.” View Quote |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: he chose poorly. View Quote He had a stupid plan and also executed it poorly. |
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Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: I bet we strike a deal to sell Russia, Iran and NK some goodies from our war machine contractors. That's how I'd handle this situation. Cease fire, and you can buy all the fun toys you want from us, special deal just for you, comrades. View Quote Thats silly. |
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US Navy Seal unit that killed Osama bin Laden trains for China invasion of Taiwan
Elite commando team makes plans to help island nation in event Beijing launches war https://archive.ph/XTnB0 |
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A lot like GD. Obsessed with the latest shiny weapon but never budgets enough for the ammo... jwnc 5/9/2024
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: Ground drone deleted and yeeted them. 20 sec video.
View Quote Candy gram sounds better than Landshark. |
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead: I think most agree with that, it’s definitely been said enough. But you need to convince the people in charge first. Also we’re now paying $1 trillion on just servicing the National debt a year and we are borrowing $1 trillion every 90 days. View Quote Attached File Correct. |
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connoisseur of fine Soviet and European armored vehicles since 2007.
https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros Let's go Bran...Kamala. Thank you Subpar for the membership! |
Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.rt.com/russia/603928-russia-china-democratic-world-order/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_2662-3320560.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_2663-3320561.jpg View Quote Remember, authoritarians LOVE democracy, because it confers legitimacy that is beyond questioning. The US plays into the wrong side when the government advocates for democracy and acts as though majority votes are the end-all, be-all of validity. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: We previously had discussions in the other thread about Democrats happy to sacrifice Ukraine over open borders. Well they’d be happy to sacrifice Israel, Taiwan, US Defense budgets etc to retain their domestic spending programs and taxes. Obviously with all the Democrats China spying scandals, China is happy to encourage that. View Quote This is true. Trump, in his efforts to rebuild the military had to blow up the budget/deficit, and agree to the typical demo-commie pork spending to get money for the military. Some members here condemn Trump for adding to the deficit while at the same time complaining about our military cupboards being bare. For every $ spent on tanks and bullets, the dems demanded $$ for welfare, Obamacare, and DEI training. |
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Originally Posted By TaxPayer77: We could arm the uke bros and the ruskies. Let them fight it out. Classic scene in most glorious Glimmer Man, old warriors let the young ones fight at first, don't rush into battle. View Quote When you sober up, try to remember there are lots of people dying, including innocent civilians and children, because the Russians wanted Ukraine. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: If I'm not mistaken it's that "out of nato" part that makes sure that russia can invade again later. I think russias wet dream would be 1) Out of NATO 2)Russia gets to keep what they've taken 3)Russia is not responsible for fixing anything they've broken 4)Russia gets some of the sanctions lifted 5)Russia gets some time without war to rebuild and modernize their military. 6)They make some agreement to not invade, something they can just break later with little consequences. View Quote And I would ask JD and Trump what does Ukraine get out of this deal? Besides getting fucked? An end of hostilities after all the murder and theft? Fuck that shit! |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It's because the problem is intractable. You can cut ALL defense spending, and ALL HHS spending and still not solve the deficit, and those are some sacred cows. I keep posting that really solving the problem requires spending cuts AND tax increases, but that's not popular in a nominally 'conservative' forum. The shock that would be involved in eliminating the deficit purely by spending cuts would blow up a lot of our society. The problem has gotten so big, that someone who is truly fiscally conservative - meaning, someone who wants to minimize debt & deficit - must accept tax increases of some kind. That's why it's gotten so hard to find a 'fiscal conservative.' You can't cut your way out of this mess, not really. And this is just to maintain the current level, ignoring the fact that Defense is actually underfunded as a percent of GDP in historical terms. View Quote It would be Great Depression level austerity with increased taxes. Certainly social welfare benefit cuts to make the BLM riots look like a picnic. Probably WWIII is the only solution |
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connoisseur of fine Soviet and European armored vehicles since 2007.
https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros Let's go Bran...Kamala. Thank you Subpar for the membership! |
connoisseur of fine Soviet and European armored vehicles since 2007.
https://t.me/arfcom_ukebros Let's go Bran...Kamala. Thank you Subpar for the membership! |
Originally Posted By GoldenMead: US Navy Seal unit that killed Osama bin Laden trains for China invasion of Taiwan Elite commando team makes plans to help island nation in event Beijing launches war https://archive.ph/XTnB0 View Quote That's cool but even if DEVGRU trained every Taiwanese soldier to SEAL level, it probably won't make a big difference since it won't be a commando-type shooting war. They would be better off getting training from UA drone operators or ADA aces. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Remember, authoritarians LOVE democracy, because it confers legitimacy that is beyond questioning. The US plays into the wrong side when the government advocates for democracy and acts as though majority votes are the end-all, be-all of validity. View Quote Don't forget all the censorship and crushing of opposition... |
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Originally Posted By killstick_engaged: Look man, no Chinaman, Ruskie or Persian ever called me white supremacy View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: That's cool but even if DEVGRU trained every Taiwanese soldier to SEAL level, it probably won't make a big difference since it won't be a commando-type shooting war. They would be better off getting training from UA drone operators or ADA aces. View Quote Green beret’s are already on Taiwan and Kinmen island training their military. If the seals are training, it’s for a specific mission that they will be carrying out if/when Taiwan gets invaded. |
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A lot like GD. Obsessed with the latest shiny weapon but never budgets enough for the ammo... jwnc 5/9/2024
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Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Wait, he’s saying this is the next red line after saying that about every single other thing? lol!!!!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By HIPPO: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/LOL-UMAD-BRO1gqf_zps44023202_JPG-109.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXScBx3WwAE8pUT?format=jpg&name=large/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/LOL-UMAD-BRO1gqf_zps44023202_JPG-109.jpgETA — video of the evil midget saying it in tweet below (3 min clip).
Wait, he’s saying this is the next red line after saying that about every single other thing? lol!!!!! Putin should have thought about the possibility of going to war against NATO when he invaded Ukraine over 10 years ago. Committing mass murder usually results in a severe reaction. |
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead: I think most agree with that, it’s definitely been said enough. But you need to convince the people in charge first. Also we’re now paying $1 trillion on just servicing the National debt a year and we are borrowing $1 trillion every 90 days. View Quote <This is exactly why Russia and China are emboldened. America hasn't been this far in the hole financially since the height of WWII. Now you throw the specter of world war on an incredibly indebted nation and it's easy to see why our competitors are acting out, taking advantage of what they see as a golden opportunity. |
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Putin should have thought about the possibility of going to war against NATO when he invaded Ukraine over 10 years ago. Committing mass murder usually results in a severe reaction. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By HIPPO: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/LOL-UMAD-BRO1gqf_zps44023202_JPG-109.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXScBx3WwAE8pUT?format=jpg&name=large/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/LOL-UMAD-BRO1gqf_zps44023202_JPG-109.jpgETA video of the evil midget saying it in tweet below (3 min clip).
Wait, he's saying this is the next red line after saying that about every single other thing? lol!!!!! Putin should have thought about the possibility of going to war against NATO when he invaded Ukraine over 10 years ago. Committing mass murder usually results in a severe reaction. |
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Send lawyers, guns, and money.
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Originally Posted By fadedsun: Why is it called Minsk 3? View Quote |
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The USS Theodore Roosevelt has left the Middle East and is now heading for San Diego. We pulled the Roosevelt out of the west pacific to assist Israel. We still don’t have a CSG deployed to the Pacific.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-aircraft-carrier-left-middle-east-ending-show-force-2024-9 |
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A lot like GD. Obsessed with the latest shiny weapon but never budgets enough for the ammo... jwnc 5/9/2024
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Reported an hr ago.
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All in that ass.
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Green beret’s are already on Taiwan and Kinmen island training their military. If the seals are training, it’s for a specific mission that they will be carrying out if/when Taiwan gets invaded. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: That's cool but even if DEVGRU trained every Taiwanese soldier to SEAL level, it probably won't make a big difference since it won't be a commando-type shooting war. They would be better off getting training from UA drone operators or ADA aces. Green beret’s are already on Taiwan and Kinmen island training their military. If the seals are training, it’s for a specific mission that they will be carrying out if/when Taiwan gets invaded. And exactly why we learn about it now. The Green Berets are doing the heavy lifting and we only just now hear about the hair gel pretty boys. Different missions for sure |
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: <This is exactly why Russia and China are emboldened. America hasn't been this far in the hole financially since the height of WWII. Now you throw the specter of world war on an incredibly indebted nation and it's easy to see why our competitors are acting out, taking advantage of what they see as a golden opportunity. View Quote The debt is a bigger strategic problem than climate change by far. But the political leadership won't even talk about the problem. Another thing I've long expected is that China would attack us economically as part of their asymmetric menu. They've divested a bunch of their Treasury holdings, but there are other ways to economically harm the US. It wouldn't take much to wreck the house of cards that our 'leaders' made. They are setting us up really well for a collapse. I fear that when the time comes, we will go down without a fight, wrapped up with the internal convulsions of an economic meltdown. Pax Americana is over, dead. What do you suppose Pax Sinica holds for us? |
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Putin’s speech on the US letting Ukraine strike deep into Russia. For those that are interested. And yes ignore the guy who posted the video, just watch the video.
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A lot like GD. Obsessed with the latest shiny weapon but never budgets enough for the ammo... jwnc 5/9/2024
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead: The USS Theodore Roosevelt has left the Middle East and is now heading for San Diego. We pulled the Roosevelt out of the west pacific to assist Israel. We still don’t have a CSG deployed to the Pacific. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-aircraft-carrier-left-middle-east-ending-show-force-2024-9 View Quote 11 years to build a ship is just staggering. I know they're the third most complicated machines on the planet, but 11 years? Surely Stennis & Bush could be available a whole lot sooner if we were in a jam, right? And Kennedy could wrap sooner? Right? Maybe we need to hold off on decommissioning Nimitz. |
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Real Ukraine interviews - are Ukrainians ready to negotiate?
Honest opinion of Ukrainians: “Should we start negotiations with Russia?” I've never seen evidence that these interviews are other than what they appear - random street interviews. I've not seen indication that they are curated or cherry-picked to favor specific outcomes. ETA - Headshot interviews young Russians - is Putin a cool guy? Quite the mix. Young Russians about Putin |
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Putin’s speech on the US letting Ukraine strike deep into Russia. For those that are interested. And yes ignore the guy who posted the video, just watch the video.
View Quote These high precision Western weapons have been blowing up Russians in Crimea and other parts of Occupied Ukraine for months now. I think Putin is bluffing again with more red line BS. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: These high precision Western weapons have been blowing up Russians in Crimea and other parts of Occupied Ukraine for months now. I think Putin is bluffing again with more red line BS. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Putin's speech on the US letting Ukraine strike deep into Russia. For those that are interested. And yes ignore the guy who posted the video, just watch the video.
These high precision Western weapons have been blowing up Russians in Crimea and other parts of Occupied Ukraine for months now. I think Putin is bluffing again with more red line BS. |
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Ukrainian official video of a Russian POW from Kursk.
Captured Russian Soldier Speaks Out About Illusions of War: Inside the Battles in Kursk Region |
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Originally Posted By absael: I agree, but whether he is or not, Ukraine cannot be allowed to lose, and something is going to have to change to make that happen. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By absael: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Putin's speech on the US letting Ukraine strike deep into Russia. For those that are interested. And yes ignore the guy who posted the video, just watch the video.
These high precision Western weapons have been blowing up Russians in Crimea and other parts of Occupied Ukraine for months now. I think Putin is bluffing again with more red line BS. That’s laughable. Ukraine cannot win no matter how much support we give. That’s reality, regardless of what Biden and Kamala say. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: That's cool but even if DEVGRU trained every Taiwanese soldier to SEAL level, it probably won't make a big difference since it won't be a commando-type shooting war. They would be better off getting training from UA drone operators or ADA aces. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: US Navy Seal unit that killed Osama bin Laden trains for China invasion of Taiwan Elite commando team makes plans to help island nation in event Beijing launches war https://archive.ph/XTnB0 That's cool but even if DEVGRU trained every Taiwanese soldier to SEAL level, it probably won't make a big difference since it won't be a commando-type shooting war. They would be better off getting training from UA drone operators or ADA aces. Best bet is to dig into the ground everywhere like the Japs on Iwo Jima and pop up to launch anti ship missiles and pop back in. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: These high precision Western weapons have been blowing up Russians in Crimea and other parts of Occupied Ukraine for months now. I think Putin is bluffing again with more red line BS. View Quote I think China is going to make a big delivery soon if it happens. But we will see. |
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A lot like GD. Obsessed with the latest shiny weapon but never budgets enough for the ammo... jwnc 5/9/2024
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More details about the Israeli raid in Syria.
Israeli Commandos Carried Out Raid on Secret Weapons Site in Syria. Link to NYT article Highpoints Initial airstrikes destroyed at least four Syrian military positions around Masyaf, including an air defense site. A second round of strikes hit a building in the complex that connects to underground tunnels. In the operation’s third phase, helicopters crossed into Syrian airspace and dropped off several dozen Israeli commandos on the outskirts of the bunkers. As the Israeli soldiers advanced on the bunkers, Israeli drones attacked Syrian military troops who were rushing to the scene, he said. The main goal of the ground assault was to destroy the facility. An important secondary objective, officials said, was to collect intelligence about Hezbollah’s weapons development. Qassim Suleimani...urged President Bashar al-Assad of Syria to allow Iranian scientists to refurbish the weapons labs at the site, which had become a key missile and munitions manufacturing facility for Hezbollah. The facility has, in the past, been associated with chemical weapons production, there was no such work being done there in recent years. Currenly the facility was making precision-guided missiles for Hezbollah [that] would allow the group to strike targets more accurately in northern Israel. View Quote Entire article The missile production facility was destroyed in the attack, according to Western officials. Syrian state media reported that 18 people were killed in the strike. Israel carried out a commando raid in Syria on Sunday that obliterated a Hezbollah missile production facility near the Lebanese border, killing a number of people at the site, according to American and other Western officials. The operation included a daring raid by Israeli special forces, who rappelled down from helicopters and apparently seized materials from the missile facility, the officials said. Ground forces were used in the attack because of its complexity and to recover information from the secret weapons site, the officials said, adding that there were no Israeli casualties. The officials said the raid included airstrikes on the sprawling site, the Scientific Studies and Research Center, which is near Masyaf, in the country’s northwest. Syria’s state news agency, SANA, reported on Monday that 18 people were killed and dozens more injured. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a group based in Britain that tracks the conflict in Syria, said the strikes hit an area containing a scientific research institute where work on developing short- and medium-range precision missiles is conducted. Israel has declined to comment on the raid. Before conducting the strike, Israel notified senior American officials, including Gen. Michael E. Kurilla, the head of United States Central Command, according to a U.S. official. On Sunday, General Kurilla visited the underground war room of the Israel Defense Forces’ Northern Command, where he was presented with the military’s operational plans for Lebanon, according to the Israel Defense Forces. Independent experts, Israeli officials and the U.S. government have described the institute in Syria as a center of weapons research and development, aided by the country’s ally Iran. Israel has struck Masyaf, about 25 miles from the Mediterranean coast, several times in the past. In 2018, Israel assassinated a Syrian scientist who worked at the facility developing precision-guided munitions. In fact, Israel has been gunning for the facility for many years, according to a former senior Israeli official who still advises the government and is familiar with Israeli efforts to neutralize the site. Chemical weapons were developed there before Syria’s civil war began in 2011. Years later, he said, Gen. Qassim Suleimani, who was leading Iranian foreign operations, urged President Bashar al-Assad of Syria to allow Iranian scientists to refurbish the weapons labs at the site, which had become a key missile and munitions manufacturing facility for Hezbollah. Israeli officials believe that Hezbollah wanted the facility to be in Syria because its leaders thought Israel would be less likely to strike Masyaf than sites in Lebanon. One of the Western officials said Israel had attacked the facility several times but could not reach the fortified inner rooms with airstrikes alone. The decision to send in commandos, he said, was to make sure that this time, the site would be destroyed. The airstrikes late Sunday and early Monday amounted to one of the deadliest attacks in Syria in months. SANA said that in addition to the 18 dead, 37 people were injured in the strikes, including six who were in critical condition. The agency said that roads and water, power and telephone infrastructure were damaged. Although the facility has, in the past, been associated with chemical weapons production, there was no such work being done there in recent years, officials said. But the facility was making precision-guided missiles for Hezbollah, which some government analysts feared would allow the group to strike targets more accurately in northern Israel. Writing in the “Syria Weekly” Substack, Charles Lister, the director of the Middle East Institute’s Syria and counterterrorism programs, offered more details about the Israeli operation. Mr. Lister said that an initial round of Israeli airstrikes destroyed at least four Syrian military positions around Masyaf, including an air defense site. A second round of strikes hit a building in the complex that connects to underground tunnels, he said. In the operation’s third phase, Mr. Lister said, several Israeli helicopters crossed into Syrian airspace and dropped off several dozen Israeli commandos on the outskirts of the bunkers. As the Israeli soldiers advanced on the bunkers, Israeli drones attacked Syrian military troops who were rushing to the scene, he said. Officials briefed on the operation said the main goal of the ground assault was to destroy the facility. An important secondary objective, officials said, was to collect intelligence about Hezbollah’s weapons development. Mr. Lister said the facilities in Masyaf and in the neighboring town of Mahruseh have been central to Syria’s development of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, barrel bombs and thermobaric munitions, weapons with special explosive mixtures typically used to destroy buildings and tunnels. Helene Cooper is a Pentagon correspondent. She was previously an editor, diplomatic correspondent and White House correspondent. More about Helene Cooper Eric Schmitt is a national security correspondent for The Times, focusing on U.S. military affairs and counterterrorism issues overseas, topics he has reported on for more than three decades. More about Eric Schmitt Julian E. Barnes covers the U.S. intelligence agencies and international security matters for The Times. He has written about security issues for more than two decades. More about Julian E. Barnes Ronen Bergman is a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, based in Tel Aviv. His latest book is “Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations,” published by Random House. More about Ronen Bergman See more on: Hezbollah View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: The debt is a bigger strategic problem than climate change by far. But the political leadership won't even talk about the problem. Another thing I've long expected is that China would attack us economically as part of their asymmetric menu. They've divested a bunch of their Treasury holdings, but there are other ways to economically harm the US. It wouldn't take much to wreck the house of cards that our 'leaders' made. They are setting us up really well for a collapse. I fear that when the time comes, we will go down without a fight, wrapped up with the internal convulsions of an economic meltdown. Pax Americana is over, dead. What do you suppose Pax Sinica holds for us? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: <This is exactly why Russia and China are emboldened. America hasn't been this far in the hole financially since the height of WWII. Now you throw the specter of world war on an incredibly indebted nation and it's easy to see why our competitors are acting out, taking advantage of what they see as a golden opportunity. The debt is a bigger strategic problem than climate change by far. But the political leadership won't even talk about the problem. Another thing I've long expected is that China would attack us economically as part of their asymmetric menu. They've divested a bunch of their Treasury holdings, but there are other ways to economically harm the US. It wouldn't take much to wreck the house of cards that our 'leaders' made. They are setting us up really well for a collapse. I fear that when the time comes, we will go down without a fight, wrapped up with the internal convulsions of an economic meltdown. Pax Americana is over, dead. What do you suppose Pax Sinica holds for us? Not to mention china's successful cyber infiltration of our civil infrastructure. |
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead: That is exactly it. We just need to build a colosseum next. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By doc540: bread and circuses are expensive That is exactly it. We just need to build a colosseum next. We have 42 NASCAR tracks, 30 MLB stadiums, 30 NBA stadiums and 32 NFL stadiums along with countless college and high school ball stadiums of all flavors, little league and state and regional car race tracks. Uncounted motorcycle tracks of all flavors, UFC, boxing, wrasslin', and those fucking bicyclist. Did I forget anyone? If I did feel free to add them to the list. Now, I'm not saying sports ball isn't good for kids to play, it is, and the skills they learn are invaluable in life. But let's face it, when it comes to college and pro level, those are your modern day colosseums. Oh, and if I hear pickle ball one more God Damn time I'm gonna look it up to figure out what it is and find the goose stepping fuckwit that invented it and haunt his ass when I die. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: That's cool but even if DEVGRU trained every Taiwanese soldier to SEAL level, it probably won't make a big difference since it won't be a commando-type shooting war. They would be better off getting training from UA drone operators or ADA aces. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: US Navy Seal unit that killed Osama bin Laden trains for China invasion of Taiwan Elite commando team makes plans to help island nation in event Beijing launches war https://archive.ph/XTnB0 That's cool but even if DEVGRU trained every Taiwanese soldier to SEAL level, it probably won't make a big difference since it won't be a commando-type shooting war. They would be better off getting training from UA drone operators or ADA aces. Wasn't it you that brought up the possibility of infiltration by the PLA and plans for sabotage? (I could be misremembering) Could be the guys that are good at sabotaging can red team pretty well... The seaborn invasion scenario seems more and more far fetched. Personally, I think China will try and hit four or five key points around the Pacific, and then try for a "popular coup" that will be really well armed infiltrators. |
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