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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:36:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Now do loaded container origins. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By fike: I pulled some numbers (for science). Container shipping 1. MSC - Swiss - 19.9% market share 2. Maersk - Danish - 14.6% market share 3. CMA CGM - French - 12.7% market share 4. COSCO - Chinese - 10.8% market share 5. Hapag-Lloyd - German - 7.0% market share 6. ONE - Japanese - 6.3% market share 7. Evergreen - Taiwanese -5.7% market share 8. HMM - South Korean - 2.8% market share 9. Yang Ming - Taiwanese - 2.5% market share 10. Zim - Israeli - 2.3% market share The top 10 account for 84.1% world market share. The only other Chinese companies in the top 30 (Shandong, Zhonggu, Antong, and Ningbo) account for an additional 1.6%. All told in the top 30, Chinese companies account for 842 container ships and 12.4% market share. If you look at dry bulk, the Chinese aren't a massive player either. Oil shipping, same thing. Going back to the 1.7 million number, the total world number is 1.9 million. Of those, 380,000 are Chinese working on international voyages and 120,000 are working on coastal voyages. For reference, the Philippines has 400,000. Now do loaded container origins. Why would we change the subject (1.7 million Chinese mariners)? |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:41:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nicodemus7: No, it's not that at all. When corrupt dictators have the will and means to commit genocide, they do it. And Putin has the means. Ukraine is a resource rich country in a strategic location. NATO wants to bennifit from what Russia had a hold on until the revolution under Obama. Over there it's a Civil War. Here it's a civil war if your smart or an existential threat to western civilization.l if your a warhawk, establishment military industrial complex cuck, a dumbass or both. Thanks for the insults. Click. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:47:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I’ll go ahead and assume you aren’t an Army vet living in Minnesota. You got me figured out. I have the same government as you. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:56:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nicodemus7: No, it's not that at all. When corrupt dictators have the will and means to commit genocide, they do it. And Putin has the means. Ukraine is a resource rich country in a strategic location. NATO wants to bennifit from what Russia had a hold on until the revolution under Obama. Over there it's a Civil War. Here it's a civil war if your smart or an existential threat to western civilization.l if your a warhawk, establishment military industrial complex cuck, a dumbass or both. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nicodemus7: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: Originally Posted By Nicodemus7: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I definitely understand single-issue voting, but I'm also tired of waiting for the 'perfect' candidate. Is anyone seriously going to argue that McCain or Romney would have been just as bad as Obama in every way? Of course not. They were awful candidates but they weren't Obama. I voted for McCain and Romney despite having many negative feelings about both of those candidates. But I wouldn't have had they taken a position that either purposefully or indirectly rewarded Russia for invading a European nation. That isn't just some kind of minor policy difference I can overlook. That is something so serious as to be a deal breaker for me. Unlike Trump, Romney at least had enough sense to recognize Russia for what they are ----an untrustworthy adversary. And this was before they ever invaded Ukraine! Now we have a Trump/Vance ticket that wants to halt the war along current lines, which basically gives Russia most of what they've been striving to achieve. Either Trump is the dumbest son of a bitch that we've ever had for a president, or he is on the payroll for the other side. I don't see any other reasonable conclusion one can draw when looking at this situation. Wow. There are far more important things going on within our own nation than Ukraine getting smaller. I can't believe how candidates like Kamala ever even become viable, then I read posts like yours. Short sighted emotional BS. Framing this as "Ukraine getting smaller" is indicative of you not understanding the situation at all. This war is not about territory, but rather about the existence of a separate Ukrainian people. It is genocidal both in intent and conduct. No, it's not that at all. When corrupt dictators have the will and means to commit genocide, they do it. And Putin has the means. Ukraine is a resource rich country in a strategic location. NATO wants to bennifit from what Russia had a hold on until the revolution under Obama. Over there it's a Civil War. Here it's a civil war if your smart or an existential threat to western civilization.l if your a warhawk, establishment military industrial complex cuck, a dumbass or both. Personal attacks and terrible use of the English language aside, it very much so is. Genocide has an actual legal definition, and it doesn't mean "killing every single member of the group." The Genocide Convention of 1948 defines genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." The five acts include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. In terms of intent, there is an overwhelming abundance of it on the part of Russian leadership. Putin has been very open in his beliefs that there is no Ukrainian people. In his view and that of Russian imperial nationalists as a whole, the linguistic divergence of what would become Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians was imposed by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as an attack on Russian national cohesion. Then the Austro-Hungarians were involved in promoting the allegedly fictional idea of a Ukrainian nation prior to WW1. Then Lenin and the early Bolsheviks supposedly erred by giving the Ukrainians a Republic within the USSR, including contemporary Southeastern Ukraine in it, and promoting Ukrainian language and culture via the policies of Korenizatsiia. Then the Nazis supposedly got involved and promoted Ukrainian nationalism-separatism. Then it was the CIA, MI6, the Zionists, the EU, etc. Ukrainians, in the mind of Putin, are the consequence of conspiracies at the hands of the Poles, Austro-Hungarians, Lenin, Nazis, Western intelligence agencies, etc. Hence, contemporary Russian imperialism is necessary to correct this historical slight against Russian civilization, which in the minds of Russian nationalists began in the medieval commonwealth of Kyivan Rus and stretches for 1,000 years into the present day. Beyond Putin, Medvedev has referred to Ukrainians as a race of "bastards and freaks," and he has of course denied that there is a separate Ukrainian language. Surkov, Putin's main adviser on Ukraine policy for a number of years, said that there is no Ukraine and there are no Ukrainians, and that the belief that one is a Ukrainian is a sickness of the mind. Gubarev, the first "prime minister" of the "DPR," said that if needed, they will kill millions of Ukrainians. Russian State TV regularly refers to Ukrainians as Nazis, fascists, satanists, traitors, homosexuals, etc. We're kind of in a unique position in which where this is no shortage of evidence of genocidal intent on the part of the Russian state. It is here that I must emphasis that there is no requirement for there to be an overall plan for something to constitute genocide. An overall plan can be helpful in terms of establishing intent, but it's not a necessary feature by itself. There is no evidence of an overarching order being given by Hitler to exterminate Jews, and one likely doesn't exist. With intent out of the way, let's get into actions. Russia has forcibly transferred at bare minimum tens of thousands of Ukrainian children from Ukraine to Russia, where they have been subject to brainwashing, put up for adoption by Russian families, and had significant obstacles placed between them and reunification with their families. This is obviously a case of genocidal action. In terms of preventing births, millions of Ukrainians were forced through filtration camps in occupied territory, and there is evidence to suggest that the Russians deliberately screened for fertile women of breeding age and deliberately deported them to Russia. Russian soldiers who have participated in sexual violence against Ukrainian women have openly stated that their goal in doing so was to prevent them from making more Ukrainians. In terms of imposing living conditions aimed at destroying the group, Russian propagandists brag about the harm they are causing to Ukrainian civilians by strikes on infrastructure, we know that Ukrainians are denied medical care and medicine in occupied territory if they refuse to accept Russian passports, we know that Ukrainians have been held in terrible conditions in "filtration camps" for extended periods of time, etc. Regarding causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, Russian forces use torture as a matter of policy everywhere they occupy, and just speaking Ukrainian or displaying the Ukrainian flag is enough to wind up in a torture chamber. Finally, in terms of killing members of the group, tens of thousands of civilians were murdered in Mariupol, Russia targets civilians on a daily basis with drones and other munitions, and Ukrainians deemed to be too patriotic were murdered when sent through "filtration camps." I must highlight here that in order for something to rise to the level of genocide, only one of these actions has to be taken. Yet, it's arguable that Russia has committed all five. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 12:03:32 AM EST
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Institute for the Study of War
CHINA-TAIWAN WEEKLY UPDATE, SEPTEMBER 13, 2024 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/china-taiwan-weekly-update-september-13-2024 For anyone who is interested |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 12:16:46 AM EST
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Finland announces new €118 million aid package for Ukraine.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 12:26:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: Charging_Handle]
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This ain't no goddamn civil war! If it were a civil war, it would be Russians fighting other Russians inside their own borders over some domestic disagreement. What the actual situation involves is ---- we have one nation invading another nation for the purpose of imperial conquest. Civil War my ass! Where do people come up with this stupid shit?!?!
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Posted: 9/14/2024 12:30:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: This ain't no goddamn civil war! If it were a civil war, it would be Russians fighting other Russians inside their own borders over some domestic disagreement. What thie actual situation is ---- we have one nation invading another nation for the purpose of imperial conquest. Civil War my ass! Where do people come up with this stupid shit?!?! I've heard many Russians (to include Putin himself) portray this as a civil war between two "Russian" peoples, one of whom has supposedly been brainwashed by the west into thinking that it's a separate people. That's where people come up with this stupid shit, knowingly or unknowingly. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:08:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: So…an average of 309 crew per ship? If you want to equate that number to size of the ship, the largest shipping vessels on earth have a crew of about 30. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By fike: Lol. 1.7 million seafarers vs merchant marines? Are they counting anyone with a boat? US Merchant Mariners run less than 80 ships. China calls their ”mariners” seafarers and run 5,500 ships. And no they don’t count anyone with a boat. China’s ships are vastly larger than ours. So not sure what you are laughing about. The US ship industry is a disaster. Edit more info: last year the US navy had 8 ships built and decommissioned 12. Every single ship currently being built for the navy is YEARS behind schedule. So…an average of 309 crew per ship? If you want to equate that number to size of the ship, the largest shipping vessels on earth have a crew of about 30. 1) Not all sailors are manning ocean-going cargo ships (think seagoing tugs, tow boats, oil platform vessels, lake freighters, coastal craft, etc) 2) Not all sailors are at sea at the same time. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:11:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: If they can't figure out how to speed up production expect to get nationalized. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
If they can't figure out how to speed up production expect to get nationalized. If you read into the article, it's not the defense industry that can't do it, it is the Biden administration that doesn't want to pay for it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:13:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:15:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: If you read into the article, it's not the defense industry that can't do it, it is the Biden administration that doesn't want to pay for it. Bingo |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:19:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Bingo https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bidens-meager-1-us-defense-budget-increase-buys-fewer-ships-jets-2024-03-11/  
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:29:29 AM EST
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Quote Historyit is sequestration lite, the diet soda version of what happened under Obama… |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:30:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: If you read into the article, it's not the defense industry that can't do it, it is the Biden administration that doesn't want to pay for it. Biden went from a flat first budget to ever decreasing budgets since he’s been in the White House https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6298072602001  
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:31:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I definitely understand single-issue voting, but I'm also tired of waiting for the 'perfect' candidate. Is anyone seriously going to argue that McCain or Romney would have been just as bad as Obama in every way? Of course not. They were awful candidates but they weren't Obama. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: I have been willing up until this point to give Trump/Vance a chance to win me over and secure my vote this November. But that statement from Vance has eliminated any possibility of me voting for the Trump/Vance ticket. Either they are complete fucking idiots or worse, Russian agents. I will not be casting a vote in this year's presidential election because all of the choices are utter dogshit. And I don't want to hear any of this "lesser of two evils" bullshit. There are no lesser of two evils in this case. One ticket is owned by Russia. The other is owned by China. They can both fuck off as far as I am concerned. I definitely understand single-issue voting, but I'm also tired of waiting for the 'perfect' candidate. Is anyone seriously going to argue that McCain or Romney would have been just as bad as Obama in every way? Of course not. They were awful candidates but they weren't Obama. Without getting too far into the weeds, the problem is this time we had better choices and ignored them. I’m comfortable saying that, at least in the area of foreign policy, there were better options. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:32:34 AM EST
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Reported 3 hrs ago.
  🚨 The Russians have just confirmed: they have a problem in Kursk Their counterattack got stuck, but Ukrainian s are advancing in their rear, basically threatening to pocket them. Ukraine is dividing the large pocket formed against the Seym River in two parts. It will be easier to capture the 1000 russian conscripts. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:33:09 AM EST
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Daily Ukraine map thread for Friday 13th September 2024
Highlights: Kursk fighting remains extremely grey, with more footage of Ukrainian forces breaching along the border, whilst Russian forces maintain control over Snagost but advance no further. As of right now, and we could be very wrong, it doesn't appear like Ukrainian forces had much success near the border, and also it doesn't look like Russian forces had much success after Snagost. Russian forces still attacking towards Selydove, with plenty of drone strikes recorded in Mykhailivka Large uptick in aerial interception drones from Ukraine, once again fascinating how a technology that was nascent a few months ago is now commonplace. Map: https://uacontrolmap.com  
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:33:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: Saltwater-Hillbilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Short sighted? Just how far would Trump have to go before some of you would be willing to write him off? For me, siding with our enemies exceeds my limit for party loyalty. I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. But this Ukraine situation has been quite revealing to me and showed me some things I didn't want to believe are likely true. Kamala isn't a choice. I could never vote for her under any circumstances. But Trump is likewise so questionable that I cannot in good faith vote for him either. So sitting out this election is all I can do. I will still vote in the down ballot races, at least the ones that don't feature pro-Russian republicans. But I simply won't vote for that kind of idiocy. I have overlooked many things in my life and voted for R candidates because they were the lesser of two evils. But I won't vote for traitors. If that makes me short sighted and emotional, then I am short sighted and emotional. What I'm not is a Putin peter puffer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Nicodemus7: Wow. There are far more important things going on within our own nation than Ukraine getting smaller. I can't believe how candidates like Kamala ever even become viable, then I read posts like yours. Short sighted emotional BS. Short sighted? Just how far would Trump have to go before some of you would be willing to write him off? For me, siding with our enemies exceeds my limit for party loyalty. I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. But this Ukraine situation has been quite revealing to me and showed me some things I didn't want to believe are likely true. Kamala isn't a choice. I could never vote for her under any circumstances. But Trump is likewise so questionable that I cannot in good faith vote for him either. So sitting out this election is all I can do. I will still vote in the down ballot races, at least the ones that don't feature pro-Russian republicans. But I simply won't vote for that kind of idiocy. I have overlooked many things in my life and voted for R candidates because they were the lesser of two evils. But I won't vote for traitors. If that makes me short sighted and emotional, then I am short sighted and emotional. What I'm not is a Putin peter puffer. Because words whisper and actions thunder. I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Obama "cut and ran" from Iraq, Joe Biden "cut and ran" from Afghanistan after actually criticizing Trump's deal with the Taliban and undermining key parts of the agreement, and Biden also blew up the Abraham Accords to snuggle up to the Iranians. That is not even mentioning the foolishness going on in the Red Sea or the many times Ukraine has been undermined by this administration in the current conflict. I am no fan of JD Vance's rhetoric or approach to Ukraine and I am pretty sure it will fail. Conversely, if it somehow succeeds, it will likely have the same outcome as the current Biden-Harris strategy with less casualties and death. Putting Ukraine in the position of having to fight a bloody defensive, attritional war against Russia strictly on it's own territory will wreck Ukraine to a greater extent than Russia in the short-medium term regardless of which borders are agreed to. Conversely, despite the rhetoric, once Putin tries to play Trump (and he will), Trump is much more likely that Biden or Harris to "Bring the Thunder" and do the needful in Ukraine. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are NOT running in the 2024 election; IF we could vote for past presidents in this election, the one we really need is Theodore Roosevelt, who could build up naval power like no ones business and actually had a coherent strategy in Asia and the Pacific! Trump is the only living President who has actually authorized US forces to engage Russians in combat. Politicians say all sorts of shit to get elected. After all, how did Trump's "complete pullout from Syria" he promised in the 2016 election actually go? There are a lot of dead Russians who probably wish that Trump had actually pulled out of Syria! 
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:35:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: it is sequestration lite, the diet soda version of what happened under Obama… Yep we’ve had shit defense budgets since 2012 nose dive from peak 2010 spending. Trump boasted of growing defense budgets which was true but he started Fromm Obama final year rock bottom budget so Trump’s budgets weren’t really high just rising up from Obama down. Then Biden comes in and fucks it all up again to the point Congress tacks on more {although a lot of 28 billion added was pork bullshit not really related to defense} Congress even had to call out Obama on troop number decreases and budget in his last year. If Obama had his way we’d free fall to some cross walk guard with a whistle |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:35:57 AM EST
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Article from The Guardian linked here.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:36:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Imagine the news dump these guys are getting.
   
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:38:02 AM EST
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Military correspondent Saponkov reports on the mass shutdown of Starlinks in use by Russians. He says that Starlinks cannot be used for more than 90 days outside the country of registration. Apparently, most are activated in Europe. "Since the morning, there has been a mass blocking of Starlinks. Dishes registered in the EU are flying off. According to Starlink rules, you cannot use a dish outside the country of registration for more than 90 days. There is also information that dishes with activation in Germany are being massively disconnected." 
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:38:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nicodemus7: No, it's not that at all. When corrupt dictators have the will and means to commit genocide, they do it. And Putin has the means. Ukraine is a resource rich country in a strategic location. NATO wants to bennifit from what Russia had a hold on until the revolution under Obama. Over there it's a Civil War. Here it's a civil war if your smart or an existential threat to western civilization.l if your a warhawk, establishment military industrial complex cuck, a dumbass or both. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nicodemus7: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: Originally Posted By Nicodemus7: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I definitely understand single-issue voting, but I'm also tired of waiting for the 'perfect' candidate. Is anyone seriously going to argue that McCain or Romney would have been just as bad as Obama in every way? Of course not. They were awful candidates but they weren't Obama. I voted for McCain and Romney despite having many negative feelings about both of those candidates. But I wouldn't have had they taken a position that either purposefully or indirectly rewarded Russia for invading a European nation. That isn't just some kind of minor policy difference I can overlook. That is something so serious as to be a deal breaker for me. Unlike Trump, Romney at least had enough sense to recognize Russia for what they are ----an untrustworthy adversary. And this was before they ever invaded Ukraine! Now we have a Trump/Vance ticket that wants to halt the war along current lines, which basically gives Russia most of what they've been striving to achieve. Either Trump is the dumbest son of a bitch that we've ever had for a president, or he is on the payroll for the other side. I don't see any other reasonable conclusion one can draw when looking at this situation. Wow. There are far more important things going on within our own nation than Ukraine getting smaller. I can't believe how candidates like Kamala ever even become viable, then I read posts like yours. Short sighted emotional BS. Framing this as "Ukraine getting smaller" is indicative of you not understanding the situation at all. This war is not about territory, but rather about the existence of a separate Ukrainian people. It is genocidal both in intent and conduct. No, it's not that at all. When corrupt dictators have the will and means to commit genocide, they do it. And Putin has the means. Ukraine is a resource rich country in a strategic location. NATO wants to bennifit from what Russia had a hold on until the revolution under Obama. Over there it's a Civil War. Here it's a civil war if your smart or an existential threat to western civilization.l if your a warhawk, establishment military industrial complex cuck, a dumbass or both. Keep the personal insults out of this thread please, And no, it isn’t a civil war. The fact that you can phrase it as such shows you don’t know anything about the history involved. Here’s a college-level course to help educate you. It’s 23 episodes. Bottom line, it’s Putin’s and other Russian nationalists’ fantasy that Ukraine always has been and always will be Russia. Russia has executed genocide against Ukraine in the past, and is now, in order to keep a boot on their neck.  Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 1: Ukrainian Questions Posed by Russian Invasion |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:40:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Imagine the news dump these guys are getting.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXbulF6XUAA0u02?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXbulG2WgAAO8-8?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXbulG9W0AAjxOc?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXbulInXQAA_scK?format=jpg&name=large
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:44:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Because words whisper and actions thunder. I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Obama "cut and ran" from Iraq, Joe Biden "cut and ran" from Afghanistan after actually criticizing Trump's deal with the Taliban and undermining key parts of the agreement, and Biden also blew up the Abraham Accords to snuggle up to the Iranians. That is not even mentioning the foolishness going on in the Red Sea or the many time Ukraine has been undermined by this administration in the current conflict. I am no fan of JD Vance's rhetoric or approach to Ukraine and I am pretty sure it will fail. Conversely, if it somehow succeeds, it will likely have the same outcome as the current Biden-Harris strategy with a less casualties and death. Putting Ukraine in the position of having to fight a bloody defensive, attritional war against Russia strictly on it's own territory will wreck Ukraine to a greater extent than Russia in the short-medium term regardless of which borders are agreed to. Conversely, despite the rhetoric, once Putin tries to play Trump (and he will), Trump is much more likely that Biden or Harris to "Bring the Thunder" and do the needful in Ukraine. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are NOT running in the 2020 election; IF we could vote for past presidents in this election, the one we really need is Theodore Roosevelt, who could build up naval power like no ones business and actually had a coherent strategy in Asia and the Pacific! Trump is the only living President who has actually authorized US forces to engage Russians in combat. Politicians say all sorts of shit to get elected. After all, how did Trump's "complete pullout from Syria" he promised in the 2016 election actually go? There are a lot of dead Russians who probably wish that Trump had actually pulled out of Syria! I’ve been pretty open I’m voting Trump and I’ve posted in this thread about his past wild card behavior. I have a feeling if he returns to the a white House he’ll simultaneously exceed expectations for some FP amd disappoint the fuck out of us too. But yeah he talks this”peace and prosperity” “I’ll prevent WW3” talk which worries me he’s pandering to today’s anti war conservatives with false promises. I’m sure he’s thinking no Russian invasion when I was President, he clobbered isis and wacked Iran’s guy but he also failed to get North Korea to denuclearize. But there’s nothing anyone in the thread can do about this, either Trump gets elected or not and then there’s the House and Senate elections lest we forget no bills voted on Ukraine and Israel from October 2023 into March 2024 |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:45:56 AM EST
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2 hrs ago.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:47:25 AM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:47:44 AM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:48:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXb4fYgWkAAHp3f?format=jpg&name=medium
lol, he loves to discuss tactics. Just look at how his eyes light up.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:49:08 AM EST
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4 short vids in tweet.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:49:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:50:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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  1 min video in tweet. That drone is a long-ass way from home. I have questions.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:53:54 AM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:57:16 AM EST
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The Barents Observer: Military experts suspect sabotage at Andøya A cable that was connected to a jammer at the North Norwegian island has been cut and destroyed. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:58:28 AM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:00:16 AM EST
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Lots of nice ships, the Japanese Navy is no slouch.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:00:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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 Attached File
Attached FileETA: Link to Defense News article |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:01:52 AM EST
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DIU special edition Magura, or Ukrainian "Pimp my USV"
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:03:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: I’ve been pretty open I’m voting Trump and I’ve posted in this thread about his past wild card behavior. I have a feeling if he returns to the a white House he’ll simultaneously exceed expectations for some FP amd disappoint the fuck out of us too. But yeah he talks this”peace and prosperity” “I’ll prevent WW3” talk which worries me he’s pandering to today’s anti war conservatives with false promises. I’m sure he’s thinking no Russian invasion when I was President, he clobbered isis and wacked Iran’s guy but he also failed to get North Korea to denuclearize. But there’s nothing anyone in the thread can do about this, either Trump gets elected or not and then there’s the House and Senate elections lest we forget no bills voted on Ukraine and Israel from October 2023 into March 2024 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Because words whisper and actions thunder. I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Obama "cut and ran" from Iraq, Joe Biden "cut and ran" from Afghanistan after actually criticizing Trump's deal with the Taliban and undermining key parts of the agreement, and Biden also blew up the Abraham Accords to snuggle up to the Iranians. That is not even mentioning the foolishness going on in the Red Sea or the many time Ukraine has been undermined by this administration in the current conflict. I am no fan of JD Vance's rhetoric or approach to Ukraine and I am pretty sure it will fail. Conversely, if it somehow succeeds, it will likely have the same outcome as the current Biden-Harris strategy with a less casualties and death. Putting Ukraine in the position of having to fight a bloody defensive, attritional war against Russia strictly on it's own territory will wreck Ukraine to a greater extent than Russia in the short-medium term regardless of which borders are agreed to. Conversely, despite the rhetoric, once Putin tries to play Trump (and he will), Trump is much more likely that Biden or Harris to "Bring the Thunder" and do the needful in Ukraine. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are NOT running in the 2020 election; IF we could vote for past presidents in this election, the one we really need is Theodore Roosevelt, who could build up naval power like no ones business and actually had a coherent strategy in Asia and the Pacific! Trump is the only living President who has actually authorized US forces to engage Russians in combat. Politicians say all sorts of shit to get elected. After all, how did Trump's "complete pullout from Syria" he promised in the 2016 election actually go? There are a lot of dead Russians who probably wish that Trump had actually pulled out of Syria! I’ve been pretty open I’m voting Trump and I’ve posted in this thread about his past wild card behavior. I have a feeling if he returns to the a white House he’ll simultaneously exceed expectations for some FP amd disappoint the fuck out of us too. But yeah he talks this”peace and prosperity” “I’ll prevent WW3” talk which worries me he’s pandering to today’s anti war conservatives with false promises. I’m sure he’s thinking no Russian invasion when I was President, he clobbered isis and wacked Iran’s guy but he also failed to get North Korea to denuclearize. But there’s nothing anyone in the thread can do about this, either Trump gets elected or not and then there’s the House and Senate elections lest we forget no bills voted on Ukraine and Israel from October 2023 into March 2024 Good point to bring up that many if not most of the same characters who criticize Trump's approach to Ukraine are the ones who are throwing Israel under the bus. While it is sold as appeasing the Arabs, it is having the exact opposite effect on our Arab allies, as they know they are being thrown under the bus on the installment plan to appease the Iranians. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:03:38 AM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:03:43 AM EST
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 the only way out is through. The west must break this cycle of fear or we will all lose.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:05:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:05:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Not saying armed cargo ships is a horrible idea, but those grain carriers survive hits because they are full of grain. Load them up with missiles instead and they will make a T-72 turret toss look like a fire cracker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By GBTX01: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: 11 years to build a ship is just staggering. I know they're the third most complicated machines on the planet, but 11 years? Surely Stennis & Bush could be available a whole lot sooner if we were in a jam, right? And Kennedy could wrap sooner? Right? Maybe we need to hold off on decommissioning Nimitz. Maybe we need to put naval Elon Musk in charge of streamlining ship building! I suspect the answer he'd come to is arming commercial ships. Theres a ton of modern cargo ships available and sailing now - eliminating the biggest production bottleneck. They are gigantic, allowing them to both hold a lot of munitions and making them very hard to sink. We seen the cargo ships hit by Houthis mostly survive, and gigantic Kh-22 russian missile hit a Turkish grain ship today without sinking it. Mount some Patriot etc GBAD and radars on the front, a whole bunch of Andruil / SpaceX low cost cruise missiles in the middle, and a few helicopters in the back. https://www.sandboxx.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/lora.jpg Not saying armed cargo ships is a horrible idea, but those grain carriers survive hits because they are full of grain. Load them up with missiles instead and they will make a T-72 turret toss look like a fire cracker. Thats why you put the VLS in the middle of the grain 
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:12:33 AM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:14:14 AM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:21:43 AM EST
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"Shields of Kyiv"
History of Ukraine and the war by TDF personnel, good interviews.  ???? ????? — ?????????????? ????? | ??????? ????? | 112 ?? 241 ??????? ??? ??? 24th Brigade, medical evacuation from Chasiv Yar.  ??????? ??. ?? ????????? ????????? ????????? ? ????? ?? «??????» — ????? 24 ???????  ????DIU Legion COMBAT MEDICS ??SNAKE team leader INTERVIEW ??  ?????????? ????? ?????? ?????? "Kara-Dag" using an M101 during a mission to capture a Russian tank. Some artillery material for those interested.  ?????? ??????, ???? ???? ?????? ????: ??????????? ??????? ??? «????-???» ??? ??????????? |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:30:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: I voted for McCain and Romney despite having many negative feelings about both of those candidates. But I wouldn't have had they taken a position that either purposefully or indirectly rewarded Russia for invading a European nation. That isn't just some kind of minor policy difference I can overlook. That is something so serious as to be a deal breaker for me. Unlike Trump, Romney at least had enough sense to recognize Russia for what they are ----an untrustworthy adversary. And this was before they ever invaded Ukraine! Now we have a Trump/Vance ticket that wants to halt the war along current lines, which basically gives Russia most of what they've been striving to achieve. Either Trump is the dumbest son of a bitch that we've ever had for a president, or he is on the payroll for the other side. I don't see any other reasonable conclusion one can draw when looking at this situation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I definitely understand single-issue voting, but I'm also tired of waiting for the 'perfect' candidate. Is anyone seriously going to argue that McCain or Romney would have been just as bad as Obama in every way? Of course not. They were awful candidates but they weren't Obama. I voted for McCain and Romney despite having many negative feelings about both of those candidates. But I wouldn't have had they taken a position that either purposefully or indirectly rewarded Russia for invading a European nation. That isn't just some kind of minor policy difference I can overlook. That is something so serious as to be a deal breaker for me. Unlike Trump, Romney at least had enough sense to recognize Russia for what they are ----an untrustworthy adversary. And this was before they ever invaded Ukraine! Now we have a Trump/Vance ticket that wants to halt the war along current lines, which basically gives Russia most of what they've been striving to achieve. Either Trump is the dumbest son of a bitch that we've ever had for a president, or he is on the payroll for the other side. I don't see any other reasonable conclusion one can draw when looking at this situation. There is a third and fourth conclusion. They don't care about Ukraine or its struggle to be free and would prefer the war to stop so they can focus on the things they do care about. Or they don't believe Ukraine is more important than America and that they should be president and Vice President of the U.S., not the world.  They're politicians so I truly don't know what their beliefs are because I know they're lying because their lips are moving. I've done all that I can to help them, their fate is beyond my control. All I'm left with is prayer, and I pray to God if elected, they won't abandon Ukraine to, what is to me, a Fate worse than death, the Russian Mir. But sometimes the answer is no. I will always love and support my country, and our style of government. Our current corpulent, spitefully corrupt version of that government whose only interest is destroying our way of life and enslaving us, not so much. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:34:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: US Merchant Mariners run less than 200 ships. China calls their ”mariners” seafarers and run 7,000 ships. And no they don’t count anyone with a boat. China’s ships are vastly larger than ours. So not sure what you are laughing about. The US ship industry is a disaster. Edit more info: last year the US navy had 8 ships built and decommissioned 12. Every single ship currently being built for the navy is YEARS behind schedule. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By fike: Lol. 1.7 million seafarers vs merchant marines? Are they counting anyone with a boat? US Merchant Mariners run less than 200 ships. China calls their ”mariners” seafarers and run 7,000 ships. And no they don’t count anyone with a boat. China’s ships are vastly larger than ours. So not sure what you are laughing about. The US ship industry is a disaster. Edit more info: last year the US navy had 8 ships built and decommissioned 12. Every single ship currently being built for the navy is YEARS behind schedule. Yep. When the Army and Air Force procurement guys want to feel good about themselves, they look at Navy procurement and think At least we're not as bad as the Navy! |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:35:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: There is a third and fourth conclusion. They don't care about Ukraine or its struggle to be free and would prefer the war to stop so they can focus on the things they do care about. Or they don't believe Ukraine is more important than America and that they should be president and Vice President of the U.S., not the world. They're politicians so I truly don't know what their beliefs are because I know they're lying because their lips are moving. I've done all that I can to help them, their fate is beyond my control. All I'm left with is prayer, and I pray to God if elected, they won't abandon Ukraine to, what is to me, a Fate worse than death, the Russian Mir. But sometimes the answer is no. I will always love and support my country, and our style of government. Our current corpulent, spitefully corrupt version of that government whose only interest is destroying our way of life and enslaving us, not so much. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I definitely understand single-issue voting, but I'm also tired of waiting for the 'perfect' candidate. Is anyone seriously going to argue that McCain or Romney would have been just as bad as Obama in every way? Of course not. They were awful candidates but they weren't Obama. I voted for McCain and Romney despite having many negative feelings about both of those candidates. But I wouldn't have had they taken a position that either purposefully or indirectly rewarded Russia for invading a European nation. That isn't just some kind of minor policy difference I can overlook. That is something so serious as to be a deal breaker for me. Unlike Trump, Romney at least had enough sense to recognize Russia for what they are ----an untrustworthy adversary. And this was before they ever invaded Ukraine! Now we have a Trump/Vance ticket that wants to halt the war along current lines, which basically gives Russia most of what they've been striving to achieve. Either Trump is the dumbest son of a bitch that we've ever had for a president, or he is on the payroll for the other side. I don't see any other reasonable conclusion one can draw when looking at this situation. There is a third and fourth conclusion. They don't care about Ukraine or its struggle to be free and would prefer the war to stop so they can focus on the things they do care about. Or they don't believe Ukraine is more important than America and that they should be president and Vice President of the U.S., not the world. They're politicians so I truly don't know what their beliefs are because I know they're lying because their lips are moving. I've done all that I can to help them, their fate is beyond my control. All I'm left with is prayer, and I pray to God if elected, they won't abandon Ukraine to, what is to me, a Fate worse than death, the Russian Mir. But sometimes the answer is no. I will always love and support my country, and our style of government. Our current corpulent, spitefully corrupt version of that government whose only interest is destroying our way of life and enslaving us, not so much. Well said, I pray for our leaders to do what is right and for my country as well. |
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