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Yobro512 Joined Apr 2016 Posts 2337 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 11/22/2019 7:31:38 PM EST [#1] I really wanted to see that big bitch try to fly!

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Yobro512 Joined Apr 2016 Posts 2338 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 11/23/2019 10:36:44 AM EST [#3] Quote History Originally Posted By wtfboombrb: The front achieved lift off, but something was wrong with the back. View Quote Lol. Ya. Part of it flew.

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Originally Posted By Forest:
Which means the numbers should be double checked as should the welds.

That's a shit-ton of money and time to throw away because somebody didn't review the design and construction in depth.

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Originally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD:

We have never sent a ship of this size, with this re-usability up anywhere. Especially not with this time table.

Which means the numbers should be double checked as should the welds.

That's a shit-ton of money and time to throw away because somebody didn't review the design and construction in depth.

Look at enough museum collections, and you'll find that NASA spent a lot of money on stuff, just to test the design and construction.

- Engineering mockups, to make certain that components actually fit together.

- Drop test components, to test structural integrity.

- Systems test beds.

Something that I have stated at work, and have heard coworkers state, more than once: 'That went together with no problems at all. Now we get to find all the leaks, when we test it.' If things seem to be going smoothly, you start wondering what you have missed.

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BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32347 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 11/24/2019 12:08:35 PM EST [#5] Also, A small reminder of a directly comparable event in Saturn program: 28 May 1966. Over-pressurization of the second stage ending with explosion. Actually it was much worse because the ground personnel was indeed injured (5 technicians got burns requiring ambulatory hospital treatment). It was just one episode of "few".

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Seiran Member Joined Jun 2010 Posts 57822 EE 0% (0) WY, USA	Posted: 11/24/2019 1:55:59 PM EST [#8] Quote History Originally Posted By guns762: Did a double take on the way to the store this morning. Secret SpaceX assembly line. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1292/20191124_090512-1172195.jpg View Quote I'm still pissed at Governor Mead for telling SpaceX they weren't wanted here in Wyoming.
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Yobro512 Joined Apr 2016 Posts 2368 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 11/26/2019 7:51:22 AM EST [#9] The Boca Chica Facebook group seems to think they have evidence they are switching to horizontal rotary robotic pipe welding apparatus for mk3.

Zam18th Joined Nov 2004 Posts 9458 EE 0% (0) GRL	Posted: 11/26/2019 8:42:10 AM EST [#10] Boca getting gangbanged by cement trucks atm.

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I'm still pissed at Governor Mead for telling SpaceX they weren't wanted here in Wyoming.

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Originally Posted By guns762:
Did a double take on the way to the store this morning.

Secret SpaceX assembly line.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1292/20191124_090512-1172195.jpg

I'm still pissed at Governor Mead for telling SpaceX they weren't wanted here in Wyoming.

I didn't know that.

When did that happen? What was his reasoning?

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EastcARstle Director, Department of Redundancy Department Joined Sep 2005 Posts 3562 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 11/26/2019 10:37:33 AM EST [#12] Quote History Originally Posted By Yobro512: The Boca Chica Facebook group seems to think they have evidence they are switching to horizontal rotary robotic pipe welding apparatus for mk3. View Quote Yeah for mass production, a bunch of guys welding from rented boom lifts doesn't make much sense

BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32406 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 11/28/2019 7:44:55 PM EST [#13] Pretty sure that was always the plan.

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Originally Posted By BigPony:
Also, A small reminder of a directly comparable event in Saturn program: 28 May 1966. Over-pressurization of the second stage ending with explosion.
Actually it was much worse because the ground personnel was indeed injured (5 technicians got burns requiring ambulatory hospital treatment). It was just one episode of "few".

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Originally Posted By BigPony:
Also, A small reminder of a directly comparable event in Saturn program: 28 May 1966. Over-pressurization of the second stage ending with explosion.
Actually it was much worse because the ground personnel was indeed injured (5 technicians got burns requiring ambulatory hospital treatment). It was just one episode of "few".

I don't know if I would say directly comparable. That event happened due to poor communications between shifts. 2nd shift brought up pressure (not hydrogen) without knowing controls and indications were isolated during 1st shift. They blew it up without knowing it was out of limits and past burst pressure.

A static test version of the Saturn V second stage S-II-T ruptured during pressure tests at MTF on May 28, and five North American Aviation technicians monitoring the test received minor injuries. The accident occurred when the hydrogen fuel tank failed under pressure. S-II-T, which had five hydrogen-oxygen J-2 engines capable of generating one million pounds of thrust, had been tested May 25 in ground firing but stopped firing after 195 seconds when a hydrogen link leak caused automatic cutoff. At time of the explosion, technicians were trying to determine cause for the hydrogen leak. No hydrogen was in the tank when the explosion occurred. Under the direction of MSFC, a Board of Inquiry headed by Dr. Kurt H. Debus, Director of Kennedy Space Center, convened on the night of May 28. Immediate investigation revealed that the second shift crew, not knowing that the liquid hydrogen pressure sensors and switches had been disconnected, had attempted to pressurize the tank. Believing that a liquid hydrogen vent valve was leaking, the technicians closed the facility by blocking valves. This had caused the vehicle tank to become over-pressurized and burst.304

304. MSFC Saturn V Prog. Off., Saturn V QPR, Apr. 1-June 30, 1966, p. 29.301. Destroyed S-II-T/D
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On May 30 the board released its findings after two days of inquiry. The fuel tank of the S-II stage had been pressurized beyond design limits. There was a need for tighter controls over MTF test procedure

I think the event in January of 1967 is more directly comparable, when S-IVB-503 exploded in the test stand. Vendor used the wrong weld filler wire on a helium bottle (about the size of a beach ball) the bottle failed during stage fueling for an engine run in the test stand. I can't remember the specifics exactly but it was only filled to like 1% in the hydrogen tank when the helium bottle ruptured initiating the explosion. They said the bottle failed at 40% of the service pressure because of the manufacturing error.

A Saturn V third stage, S-IVB-503, exploded shortly before it was scheduled to be ignited in a January 20 test at SACTO. The explosion completely destroyed the stage at test stand Beta III. Post-accident investigation revealed that one of the eight ambient temperature helium storage spheres located on the engine thrust structure exploded because of weld weakness resulting from use of the wrong weld material.

Yobro512 Joined Apr 2016 Posts 2376 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 11/29/2019 11:12:03 AM EST [#15] We need to start a go fund me for more star hopper testing so we have something to post about.

BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32424 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 11/29/2019 7:22:58 PM EST [Last Edit: BigPony] [#16] 2 sections and a bulkhead already out for mk3. Keep up

Pavelow16478 Member Joined Dec 2005 Posts 8732 EE 100% (37) USA	Posted: 11/30/2019 8:33:42 AM EST [#17] Quote History Originally Posted By BigPony: 2 sections and a bulkhead already out for mk3. Keep up View Quote SpaceX Starship Bulkhead and Second Ring Relocated Boca Chica, Texas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n90ERvyzWBw

BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32435 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 11/30/2019 10:43:45 PM EST [#18] They got a 3rd ring out today as well. Expect stacking again very soon.

Yobro512 Joined Apr 2016 Posts 2389 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 12/2/2019 12:17:26 AM EST [Last Edit: Yobro512] [#19] They are nuking Cocoa and starting over at Roberts road. Boca Chica apparently won. mk2 is being shipped to Texas or scrapped. I think Florida starship will be played for the long game.

Yobro512 Joined Apr 2016 Posts 2393 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 12/2/2019 8:11:28 PM EST [#20] They made all the rings at cocoa beach wrong. They didn’t know how to use the roller machine and all the rings couldn’t be used. The biggest journey in space travel is starting with nothing but failure!

BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32452 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 12/3/2019 2:18:37 AM EST [#21] Yup.. rumors are boca is getting Cocoas ring machine, a bulkhead, some other parts and even some of the cocoa workers until Robert's Road Shipyard is made. I think mk3 is going to arrive much sooner than any of us had hoped.

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Originally Posted By BigPony:
Yup.. rumors are boca is getting Cocoas ring machine, a bulkhead, some other parts and even some of the cocoa workers until Robert's Road Shipyard is made. I think mk3 is going to arrive much sooner than any of us had hoped.

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GO Discovery has departured Port Canaveral with a full compliment of Starship parts.

It's expected that she will deliver them to the Port of Brownsville for unloading and delivery to Boca Chica. pic.twitter.com/FgpxPyiBEn
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GO Discovery has departured Port Canaveral with a full compliment of Starship parts.

It's expected that she will deliver them to the Port of Brownsville for unloading and delivery to Boca Chica. pic.twitter.com/FgpxPyiBEn
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Just came in to post this

Apparently some ppl were saying the ship will be there in like 4 days? Dunno if this is correct or not.

Chokey King of Gifs Joined Oct 2001 Posts 67517 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 12/3/2019 1:30:15 PM EST [#26] Updates on #SpaceX's Starship facility in Cocoa: – All Starship activity is not halted – Some activity paused; team focusing on Mk. III in Boca Chica – No layoffs – A few temp employees left on their own – Those working here can opt to work in Texas Emre Kelly (@EmreKelly) December 3, 2019

Snozberry Joined Oct 2013 Posts 269 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 12/3/2019 1:59:22 PM EST [#27] Quote History Originally Posted By guns762: I didn't know that. When did that happen? What was his reasoning? View Quote Maybe because the company is owned by an avowed socialist who is quoted as to china being the future. JUST GUESSING.

Chris_in_TX Thread KIller! Joined May 2001 Posts 6987 EE 0% (0) UT, USA	Posted: 12/4/2019 12:07:25 AM EST [#28] FYI. SpaceX launch tomorrow morning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aoAGdYXp_4
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BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32459 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 12/4/2019 6:27:19 AM EST [Last Edit: BigPony] [#29] Yup will be watching. Soyuz goes a couple days later and if Starliner makes its date of the 19th all 3 ships could be docked at same time at iss. Also, interesting fact about why falcon 9 relanding out in the ocean on ocisly.. https://spaceflightnow.com/2019/12/03/long-duration-coast-experiment-on-tap-after-falcon-9-launch-wednesday/

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Originally Posted By Chokey:

Updates on #SpaceX's Starship facility in Cocoa:

– All Starship activity is not halted

– Some activity paused; team focusing on Mk. III in Boca Chica

– No layoffs

– A few temp employees left on their own

– Those working here can opt to work in Texas
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I asked the guy who tweeted that about his comment that all activity has not been halted at Cocoa as drone flights around the area have shown zero activity for quite a while as to new production, just things leaving. And that Winskop guy flies around the place every 2 days with his drone.

He has not replied to me on twitter as of yet.

hdhogman Yep, That's Me on My H-D. Joined Jul 2001 Posts 20700 EE 100% (1) OH, USA	Posted: 12/7/2019 2:59:59 PM EST [Last Edit: hdhogman] [#31] Interesting how the Germans planned on recovering the stage one booster for re use....@7:50 in the video. The America Rocket - WWII German Space Weapon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AQIyXV5nGI
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Chokey King of Gifs Joined Oct 2001 Posts 67582 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 12/8/2019 10:32:41 AM EST [#32] special delivery from Cocoa SpaceX Go Discovery From The Sky! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRJ0NEXMrfM

BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32511 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 12/8/2019 5:08:42 PM EST [#33] Now they just need to step up ring making

Neotopiaman Joined Jul 2017 Posts 8719 EE 0% (0) NH, USA	Posted: 12/9/2019 6:15:17 PM EST [#34] Starpopper is being disassembled

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Well with that attitude, you’d probably give up after Apollo 1.

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Originally Posted By Yobro512:
They made all the rings at cocoa beach wrong. They didn’t know how to use the roller machine and all the rings couldn’t be used.

The biggest journey in space travel is starting with nothing but failure!

Well with that attitude, you’d probably give up after Apollo 1.

NASA blew up a lot of shit in order to make the F-1 engines on the Saturn V work.

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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
NASA blew up a lot of shit in order to make the F-1 engines on the Saturn V work.

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Originally Posted By SirSqueeboo:

Originally Posted By Yobro512:
They made all the rings at cocoa beach wrong. They didn’t know how to use the roller machine and all the rings couldn’t be used.

The biggest journey in space travel is starting with nothing but failure!

Well with that attitude, you’d probably give up after Apollo 1.

NASA blew up a lot of shit in order to make the F-1 engines on the Saturn V work.

Amazing they never blew up a Saturn V.

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flynlr It's Ok To Be White Joined Sep 2006 Posts 5070 EE 100% (1) UT, USA	Posted: 12/10/2019 5:11:37 AM EST [#37] Quote History Originally Posted By wtfboombrb: Amazing they never blew up a Saturn V. View Quote gotta see what Saturns Lost Sister does. seems like that old discover show where they built stuff from parts found in a junkyard.
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gotta see what Saturns Lost Sister does. seems like that old discover show where they built stuff from parts found in a junkyard.

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Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:

Amazing they never blew up a Saturn V.

gotta see what Saturns Lost Sister does. seems like that old discover show where they built stuff from parts found in a junkyard.

It only seems like that if you don't know anything about it.
The core stage is built with different tooling, materials and processes.

After deciding to fail test the hydrogen tank they used for the structural certification testing.
It took more than 260% of flight loads for over 5 hours to let go within 3% of expectations.

Fail test video

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Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:

Amazing they never blew up a Saturn V.

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And they had 4% of the national budget and made the simplest rocket they could imagine. It was a stated goal to make the simplest most overbuilt rocket possible.

If it wasnt for John Hoboult they would have tried to land a giant fucking rocket directly on the moon simply because it involved no complex engineering. And if we did that we would never have made it work.

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BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32533 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 12/14/2019 1:41:51 PM EST [#41] I saw that! Also from the numbering of the new engine it appears they are now doing a new Raptor engine every other week. The process is slowly ramping up. He wants to get it down to 1 a day eventually when they are into production and rolling Starships/Superheavies out every few months.

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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Starpopper is being disassembled

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All of the metal they used on these two ships should be repurposed at the cocoa site for new business. At the very least until the site on KSC is finished.

Do you guys have any idea of how many smokers can be made from all that scrap?

Big Falcon Smokers could dominate the smoker market. Available in various sizes ranging from personal backyard smokers to towable units. The materials, manpower and knowledge are already there. Nothing left but making money now.

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BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32536 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 12/15/2019 1:16:56 PM EST [#43] He has already talked about repurposing mk1 steel into special edition CyberTrucks.

Neotopiaman Joined Jul 2017 Posts 8792 EE 0% (0) NH, USA	Posted: 12/16/2019 6:49:02 PM EST [#44] Work continues on the new pad at LC-39:

BigPony Buy a KIA Joined Oct 2013 Posts 32559 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 12/17/2019 12:18:53 AM EST [#45] You should see the Boca Chica Shipyard and Launching Facilty work. It is like they are building a mega mall on site.

Yobro512 Joined Apr 2016 Posts 2427 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 12/19/2019 4:07:42 PM EST [#46] So the Space Force is officially in the budget. I hope and I think this is 100% reasonable and the truth. Space force is so we can fund and buy a small fleet of StarShips. If there was any better use of Air Force dollars it is that! USSS Glenn USSS Armstrong USSS Aldrin

Forest Yankee Delta Joined Nov 2000 Posts 59963 EE 100% (30) MD, USA	Posted: 12/19/2019 4:54:06 PM EST [#47] Quote History Originally Posted By Yobro512: If there was any better use of Air Force dollars it is that! USSS ~~Glenn~~ *Enterprise* USSS Armstrong USSS Aldrin View Quote We'll also need a USSS Constitution and a USSS Defiant.
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Defiant is a British Navy name. If they would loan it, then yes!

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The Brits have some of the best ship names. I'm particularly fond of the HMS Vengeance, it's a perfect name for a SSBN type, and they have had ships of that name going back to 1758 (much like the USN and the USS Enterprise).

But to be fair there is a USS Defiant, it's a tug

. USS Defiance is available, at least the previous incarnation was a gunboat.

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