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Posted: 11/20/2019 5:47:04 PM EDT
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If you look at cam 3 of the stream, the top flew ridiculously high. That was no small amount of pressure. I hope no one was around where it landed.
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Posted: 11/20/2019 5:47:38 PM EDT
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Actually I'm wondering if it failed before reaching its specifications, or if it was intended to pressurize until failure... I'm guessing the former but I have no idea.
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NH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2019 5:54:06 PM EDT
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Well, this is why they're building a bunch of them...
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Posted: 11/20/2019 5:56:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:00:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey:
Actually I'm wondering if it failed before reaching its specifications, or if it was intended to pressurize until failure... I'm guessing the former but I have no idea. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:08:50 PM EDT
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Testing to failure?
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:13:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:13:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ender875:
Testing to failure? |
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:27:57 PM EDT
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On to the next one.
I guess the Mk2 in Cocoa will be the first one to leave the ground. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:30:19 PM EDT
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I bet half of Texas heard that boom
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:31:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chairborne:
They sure did, but there is no way in hell it was intentional. When testing a pressure vessel like that to failure, a containment apparatus will be in place for the pressure bulkhead, among other things. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chairborne:
Originally Posted By Ender875:
Testing to failure? |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Was definitely not intentional. That prototype was suppose to fly in the next month or so. My money is on a weld to the bulkhead. |
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:48:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DCV_117]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman:
It's possible it was at a higher than operational pressure to aid in cold-forming, but not intentional for sure. My money is on a weld to the bulkhead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Originally Posted By DCV_117: Was definitely not intentional. That prototype was suppose to fly in the next month or so. My money is on a weld to the bulkhead. 
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Posted: 11/20/2019 6:50:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grand58742:
there is no reason any current manufacturer shouldn't be able to repeat that process with everything available to them today. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2019 7:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
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Posted: 11/20/2019 7:24:20 PM EDT
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 SpaceX Starship Mk1 Cryo Failure Aftermath |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2019 7:32:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Frame by frame https://i.imgur.com/cqsRaoe.gif https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/Screen_Shot_2019-11-20_at_5_42_40_PM_png-1167967.JPG |
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Posted: 11/20/2019 7:37:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Frame by frame https://i.imgur.com/cqsRaoe.gif https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/Screen_Shot_2019-11-20_at_5_42_40_PM_png-1167967.JPG |
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Posted: 11/20/2019 7:41:52 PM EDT
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Every pop off like this before you light the damn thing is a teaching moment and a victory.
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Posted: 11/20/2019 7:43:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: I would bet on moisture collection in the outer edge of the bulkhead being the culprit, either from freezing or corrosion. |
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Posted: 11/20/2019 7:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
If you look at cam 3 of the stream, the top flew ridiculously high. That was no small amount of pressure. I hope no one was around where it landed. https://i.imgur.com/mtE7coj.jpg
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Posted: 11/20/2019 8:33:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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SpaceX statement
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Posted: 11/20/2019 9:49:18 PM EDT
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Where is the Mk3 located?
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Posted: 11/20/2019 10:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94:
Where is the Mk3 located? |
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Posted: 11/20/2019 10:55:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2019 10:58:30 PM EDT
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I like things that go boom.
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Posted: 11/20/2019 11:34:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
[#27]
There's a supposed screen shot from this morning making it's rounds. Grain of salt but it fits with their statement.
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Posted: 11/21/2019 12:01:27 AM EDT
[#28]
If you're not blowing shit up when building rockets, you're not pushing the envelope very hard. The Mark 1 was piece together by hand and welded up. The later models will be production welded and should be significantly stronger. Mark 3 and 4 have already been planned out. They're finding mistakes and weaknesses with the early versions and fixing them in the later models.
They will blow shit up making this platform. They rebuild 10x faster than NASA ever did and will try again. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 12:07:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StrangerDanger:
If you're not blowing shit up when building rockets, you're not pushing the envelope very hard. The Mark 1 was piece together by hand and welded up. The later models will be production welded and should be significantly stronger. Mark 3 and 4 have already been planned out. They're finding mistakes and weaknesses with the early versions and fixing them in the later models. They will blow shit up making this platform. They rebuild 10x faster than NASA ever did and will try again. You don’t have to kludge together a half-assed flying water tower for a photo op with the big dog. When you do it’s not surprising shit goes spectacularly wrong. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 12:08:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey are not going to space today....
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Posted: 11/21/2019 12:25:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chairborne: That’s a pretty cavalier attitude towards aerospace science and safety. You don’t have to kludge together a half-assed flying water tower for a photo op with the big dog. When you do it’s not surprising shit goes spectacularly wrong. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 12:41:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chairborne: That’s a pretty cavalier attitude towards aerospace science and safety. You don’t have to kludge together a half-assed flying water tower for a photo op with the big dog. When you do it’s not surprising shit goes spectacularly wrong. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 12:42:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys:
you also dont have to have a stand down and multi year hiatus just because some astronauts died. NASA is way too risk averse. People die on airplanes all the time, whats different if its a space ship. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys:
Originally Posted By Chairborne: That’s a pretty cavalier attitude towards aerospace science and safety. You don’t have to kludge together a half-assed flying water tower for a photo op with the big dog. When you do it’s not surprising shit goes spectacularly wrong. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 2:52:47 AM EDT
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Not entirely surprising. A real bummer but... such things are to be expected with prototypes.
As I understand it the fabrication method was already being changed... so this shouldn't effect much. What ever can be learned from this and applied to future constructs will be I'm sure. If you aren't blowing things up you aren't testing things correctly. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 5:47:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: I would bet on moisture collection in the outer edge of the bulkhead being the culprit, either from freezing or corrosion. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 5:56:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StrangerDanger:
If you're not blowing shit up when building rockets, you're not pushing the envelope very hard. The Mark 1 was piece together by hand and welded up. The later models will be production welded and should be significantly stronger. Mark 3 and 4 have already been planned out. They're finding mistakes and weaknesses with the early versions and fixing them in the later models. They will blow shit up making this platform. They rebuild 10x faster than NASA ever did and will try again. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 8:40:26 AM EDT
[#37]
 SpaceX's Starship Popper - Starship Mk1 Ruptures Tank During Test |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 1:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
If you aren't blowing things up you aren't testing things correctly. We've sent probes to the corona of the Sun and past Pluto - yet we don't routinely blow them up while building them. Wonder why? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2019 1:07:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest: No it's "If you're blowing things up you're not engineering/building correctly" We've sent probes to the corona of the Sun and past Pluto - yet we don't routinely blow them up while building them. Wonder why? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2019 1:10:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest:
No it's "If you're blowing things up you're not engineering/building correctly" We've sent probes to the corona of the Sun and past Pluto - yet we don't routinely blow them up while building them. Wonder why? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
If you aren't blowing things up you aren't testing things correctly. We've sent probes to the corona of the Sun and past Pluto - yet we don't routinely blow them up while building them. Wonder why? |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 1:20:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: We have never sent a ship of this size, with this re-usability up anywhere. Especially not with this time table. That's a shit-ton of money and time to throw away because somebody didn't review the design and construction in depth. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2019 2:10:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD:
We have never sent a ship of this size, with this re-usability up anywhere. Especially not with this time table. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD:
Originally Posted By Forest: No it's "If you're blowing things up you're not engineering/building correctly" We've sent probes to the corona of the Sun and past Pluto - yet we don't routinely blow them up while building them. Wonder why? Mk1 which they were saying since September was going to fly, wasn't even usable let alone reusable. Now they are saying the decision was made that it wasn't going to fly, convenient. NASA has had standards for this kind of work (and size) since before the Apollo days, but hurry up with this we ain't got time to do it right. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 2:11:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 11/21/2019 2:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey:
Actually I'm wondering if it failed before reaching its specifications, or if it was intended to pressurize until failure... I'm guessing the former but I have no idea. |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 2:37:07 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wtfboombrb:
I like things that go boom. 
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Posted: 11/21/2019 11:43:20 PM EDT
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Still safer than the N-1!
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NH, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2019 11:46:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94:
Where is the Mk3 located? |
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Posted: 11/21/2019 11:46:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwace:
If anyone thought MKI was in any way close to a flyable unit........ Most likely they screwed up. It will happen plenty more times. It is probable that many people will die in Starships. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 6:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwace:
I am betting there were cams on that manlift |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 6:20:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigPony]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest:
Which means the numbers should be double checked as should the welds. That's a shit-ton of money and time to throw away because somebody didn't review the design and construction in depth. Mk1 and Mk2 are true simple prototypes. In fact the decision had already been made not to even launch mk1. They used it to get the builders experience for the most part. Mk3 will actually be easier for them to build and take less time. |
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