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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:03:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: I think the noise and vibrations are going to be a huge problem going forward for SpaceX. People won't put up with that on a regular basis. Water deluge will address this issue. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:05:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Actually, you are wrong. Starship will not be using the bottom engines for landing or ascent while close to the lunar surface. They have a ring of engines near the top for that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Originally Posted By Utahshooting: This is a great question. The Apollo LM's detached the upper section and the lower half acted as a shield as the motor burned to send them back to orbit. Starship engines will be exposed to moon dust, rocks, etc during both landing and launch. I'm sure we are not first to think of this, so I'm curious as to SpaceX and NASA's Engineers and scientists have been anning on for this. Actually, you are wrong. Starship will not be using the bottom engines for landing or ascent while close to the lunar surface. They have a ring of engines near the top for that. I believe Elon said something along the lines of not digging your own grave on landing in an interview. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By double_trouble_2003: Water deluge will address this issue. It was shaking the shit out of that house while climbing toward space. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:12:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: What Estes rocket that goes back to the 1960s does the initial liftoff period remind you of...if you ever launched Estes rockets. That model is still available. Those things jump off the pad! |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:12:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: It was shaking the shit out of that house while climbing toward space. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By double_trouble_2003: Water deluge will address this issue. It was shaking the shit out of that house while climbing toward space. Boca is the R&D facility. My understanding is most launches are planned for SLC 39A |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:14:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tortilla-flats]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: It was shaking the shit out of that house while climbing toward space. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By double_trouble_2003: Water deluge will address this issue. It was shaking the shit out of that house while climbing toward space. ETA: Plus the above. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:16:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By couchlord: How are they going to launch a return from Mars or the Moon if ground shrapnel is a problem as the rocket will be sitting on the surface, although it will just be a Starship. In the Everyday Astronaut stream they had to take cover inside because they were getting covered in dust, at 5 miles away.  only dealing with 6 or fewer raptors launching from moon or mars not full 33 from booster. also lunar starship is rendered with some engines higher on the vehicle to avoid debris. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:16:47 PM EDT
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Can't wait for the next one. Hurry the fuck up already!
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:18:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Can't wait for the next one. Hurry the fuck up already! The stage 0 is fucked up. It won’t be a case of hurry up. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:21:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: The stage 0 is fucked up. It won’t be a case of hurry up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Can't wait for the next one. Hurry the fuck up already! The stage 0 is fucked up. It won’t be a case of hurry up. but if they keep launching they'll have a hole big enough to build their flame trench.
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:23:30 PM EDT
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~350 miles away. Might have to make the trip sometime.
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: The stage 0 is fucked up. It won’t be a case of hurry up. What are the options? Leaving it as it was yesterday won't work. Can they put in a functional trench system and water deluge system with the vertical space that they have or will they need to elevate the OLM and possibly add sections to the launch tower? |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:40:03 PM EDT
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That was seriously one of the most exciting things I've ever watched and for a few brief moments thought they might actually completely succeed! They'll be back in short order.
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:41:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:45:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tnriverluver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuMCI8kXwAAICed?format=jpg&name=large Simple fix. Pour new concrete and cover the entire area with a titanium sheet. ETA on a serious note I don't know how they missed this with such a behemoth rocket  .
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:49:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:50:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:53:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: What are the options? Leaving it as it was yesterday won't work. Can they put in a functional trench system and water deluge system with the vertical space that they have or will they need to elevate the OLM and possibly add sections to the launch tower? Just call the closest concrete plant and buy their capacity for the next month. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:03:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuMFooiWIAEtxVH?format=jpg&name=large That’s an awesome picture. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: drone footage
Am I seeing this correctly? Did it pivot away from the launch pad before going up? |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:05:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: double_trouble_2003]
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Excellent view of the debris hitting the gulf and the surrounding dunes.
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:06:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: double_trouble_2003]
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Double tap
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Syndicate: Am I seeing this correctly? Did it pivot away from the launch pad before going up? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Syndicate: Originally Posted By Chokey: drone footage
Am I seeing this correctly? Did it pivot away from the launch pad before going up? yeah, it looks like they intended an early pitch just to get it offshore asap just in case of an early RUD. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:12:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:26:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
That is fucking cool |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:30:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:31:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: That is fucking cool Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: Originally Posted By Chokey:
That is fucking cool it needs the MTV theme dubbed in. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:36:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: I think the noise and vibrations are going to be a huge problem going forward for SpaceX. People won't put up with that on a regular basis. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By Chokey:
I think the noise and vibrations are going to be a huge problem going forward for SpaceX. People won't put up with that on a regular basis. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: LOL. Not real funny but it's not far off. I contend that launch pad debris is what condemned the launch, rendering 3 engines inop at the beginning and damaging several others to the point of cascading failures, including the hydraulic pumps that provide the steering. The rocket was doomed as soon as the hold down clamps were released. Get there itis is a thing and it's universal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: LOL. Not real funny but it's not far off. I contend that launch pad debris is what condemned the launch, rendering 3 engines inop at the beginning and damaging several others to the point of cascading failures, including the hydraulic pumps that provide the steering. The rocket was doomed as soon as the hold down clamps were released. Get there itis is a thing and it's universal. One of our tasks was to cut several 4' diameter holes in a 24" thick concrete wall. To start the holes we used 20' long burners made of 2" copper tubing and burning oxygen/acetylene. I imagine the slag created by those Raptors and being blown back into the rocket was a lot like that. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:50:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:57:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: The stage 0 is fucked up. It won't be a case of hurry up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Can't wait for the next one. Hurry the fuck up already! The stage 0 is fucked up. It won't be a case of hurry up. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: it needs the MTV theme dubbed in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By Stillnothere: Originally Posted By Chokey:
That is fucking cool it needs the MTV theme dubbed in.  |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:05:29 PM EDT
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Amazing!
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:07:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:10:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jordanmills: That and they were probably ordered to cheer as long as nobody died. Ordered to cheer? Shit, I had a raging boner and was cheering from launch til after RUD. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:33:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: What are the options? Leaving it as it was yesterday won't work. Can they put in a functional trench system and water deluge system with the vertical space that they have or will they need to elevate the OLM and possibly add sections to the launch tower? Obviously they will have to do something. We suspected it would get trashed. Deluge and a trench are needed. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:35:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuMFooiWIAEtxVH?format=jpg&name=large I see no engines out , yettt |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:43:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: I see no engines out , yettt Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuMFooiWIAEtxVH?format=jpg&name=large I see no engines out , yettt I see 2 out in that pic, 1 in the middle and 1 on the far side |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:43:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:48:16 PM EDT
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I wonder why they don't send the 1st stage up by itself a few times before sending the full stack
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:50:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cgrant26]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: they seriously underestimated the power of this thing. if I'm google earthing this right, that van was over 400 yards away. 1273 ft.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:50:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NotRyan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: If it's going to take more than 6 months to build a survivable launch pad at Boca Chica, I can see them moving R&D launches to FL. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Can't wait for the next one. Hurry the fuck up already! The stage 0 is fucked up. It won't be a case of hurry up. I don't see them launching anything super heavy related at LC39a until they know it will leave the padd in once piece reliable. A couple hundred feet away is the tower for manned missions. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:51:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Obo2]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phil3333: I wonder why they don't send the 1st stage up by itself a few times before sending the full stack cause then you'd have to add a payload and a nosecone and not potentially be able to test the fullstack and they have plenty of ships and engines just laying around anyway, may as well get as much data and keep as many options to test open as possible. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:52:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: More like 1200+ ft. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203945/1273_starbase_NSF_JPG-2789941.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: Originally Posted By AgeOne: they seriously underestimated the power of this thing. if I'm google earthing this right, that van was over 400 yards away. More like 1200+ ft. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203945/1273_starbase_NSF_JPG-2789941.JPG 1200+ ft is over 400 yards 
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: I see 2 out in that pic, 1 in the middle and 1 on the far side Good catch. I thought smoke and dust just obscured them. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:54:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Good catch. I thought smoke and dust just obscured them. probably is a third out that is obscured there. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:55:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: If it's going to take more than 6 months to build a survivable launch pad at Boca Chica, I can see them moving R&D launches to FL. NASA won't allow this behavior near other assets. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 7:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: More like 1200+ ft. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203945/1273_starbase_NSF_JPG-2789941.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: Originally Posted By AgeOne: they seriously underestimated the power of this thing. if I'm google earthing this right, that van was over 400 yards away. More like 1200+ ft. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203945/1273_starbase_NSF_JPG-2789941.JPG Do you know what a yard is? |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 8:03:16 PM EDT
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