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Posted: 9/13/2023 9:04:59 PM EST
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I think folks are OK with the FAA review of Space X's report, but not so much the EPA's..
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Posted: 9/13/2023 10:12:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnew007: This is why the USA now sucks ass in every regard. It’s like the sloth in some stupid ass Disney movie that stamps endless mountains of bureaucratic nonsense paperwork. All to keep purple haired dildo wearing idiots appeased. It would not surprise me if they're "checking" things they know full well they already checked just to drag it out. Just to forestall mouth-breathers saying "That was too fast! You didn't do your job!" |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 5:57:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: I think folks are OK with the FAA review of Space X's report, but not so much the EPA's.. yup. Thats why I was asking earlier if it was just the FAA or their was any other hurdles to jump through. There is always going to be some sort of environmental impact from a rocket this big and limited ways to mitigate. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 6:36:43 AM EST
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With all the turmoil in the .gov right now we will be lucky if we see a launch from Boca Chica this year.
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Posted: 9/14/2023 9:02:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: With all the turmoil in the .gov right now we will be lucky if we see a launch from Boca Chica this year. I think Musk's tweet that Starship is ready to launch (last week?) may be him trying to position himself for that kind of argument, if they end up substantially behind on the HLS. If he can show that government regulation/interference repeatedly delayed SpaceX's attempts to develop and test their vehicle, when they were ready to go, then it's not really his fault that he couldn't get it done on time, right? I think some of these tweets and announcements are very deliberate in order to be able to support that type of argument down the road. I dunno. Who knows WHY Musk posts something, since he also just enjoys shitposting.  Plus, OTHER parts of Artemis will presumably be so delayed (or even cancelled, after recent statements?) that perhaps delays in the HLS system may not really matter at all. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 9:05:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: It would not surprise me if they're "checking" things they know full well they already checked just to drag it out. Just to forestall mouth-breathers saying "That was too fast! You didn't do your job!" I don't know what it's like now, but over a decade ago, it was standard practice for paperwork to take twice as long as it should to make it through the local FSDO, because people in the FSDO were trying to justify their position (a clean desk would imply that there wasn't enough work to justify them working there). |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 9:21:54 AM EST
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S25 unstacked
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Posted: 9/14/2023 9:44:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: I think Musk's tweet that Starship is ready to launch (last week?) may be him trying to position himself for that kind of argument, if they end up substantially behind on the HLS. If he can show that government regulation/interference repeatedly delayed SpaceX's attempts to develop and test their vehicle, when they were ready to go, then it's not really his fault that he couldn't get it done on time, right? I think some of these tweets and announcements are very deliberate in order to be able to support that type of argument down the road. I dunno. Who knows WHY Musk posts something, since he also just enjoys shitposting. Plus, OTHER parts of Artemis will presumably be so delayed (or even cancelled, after recent statements?) that perhaps delays in the HLS system may not really matter at all. Space programs have historically been sacrificial lambs when it comes to inept .gov failures. The only survivors to crawl out of the bottom of the pile are GSA employees to begin with, then they take a couple of years to further shore up their jobs while contractors are left in the wind with their hats in one hand and their dicks in the other. Rinse and repeat. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 9:46:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: S25 unstacked Probably going to park it in a high bay waiting for the green light to install the FTS. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 10:22:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mort: In contrast a 2019 DA-40 with the diesel engine that runs on JetA is $559k. I hear they are nice to fly and their claimed safety record seems impressive. But I do wonder how long the composite airframe can last compared to the otagenerian cessna 172 still flying the sky's. When it comes to the environmental lawsuit, is it possible to file a counter lawsuit. My main suspicion is that the lawsuit is more about obstructing SpaceX than about saving the spotted blue left danglefish. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mort: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By mort: It is sad that you can't even avoid the FAA by going to another planet. ;D I understand a big part of their job is to keep flying objects from becoming house crushing objects but the FAA seems more resistant to change than any other beuro in the US government. It would be nice if it was easier to certify new aircraft. The cost of new planes is so high that GA is chock full of flying anachronisms that should have been retired decades ago. I saw a 1965 Cessna 172E with 10,000 hours on for sale in FB Marketplace this morning, seller wants $51,000 for it. Right underneath that was a 1966 172F with 8,000 hors on it and the seller want's $89,000 for it. A 1968 Cessna 150 in pieces with similar hours has an asking price of $25,000 with the buyer responsible for putting it back together and getting a COA on it. The market is crazy. When it comes to the environmental lawsuit, is it possible to file a counter lawsuit. My main suspicion is that the lawsuit is more about obstructing SpaceX than about saving the spotted blue left danglefish. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 10:27:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwace: You can buy a new 172 for about $200k plus about another $450k for Cessna liability insurance for that aircraft. Bargain !!! |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 11:08:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: It was a tweet in response to the FAA
Here he seems oblivious to the list:
To me it appears he was out of the loop. He probably knew of all those items and involved in working on them, but didn't know they were on the report SpaceX gave to the FAA. FYI Elon is the Head Engineer for SpaceX and is involved with everything, I am sure he either wrote or was personally involved in each of the 63 items which could just as easily been 13 or 313 items. The list was kept simplified as it was for publication while the internal coms were probably hundreds or thousands of post flight tweaks and future changes |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 11:34:54 AM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2023 11:36:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwace: How could anyone on this site in particular be this hard headed? FYI Elon is the Head Engineer for SpaceX and is involved with everything, I am sure he either wrote or was personally involved in each of the 63 items which could just as easily been 13 or 313 items. The list was kept simplified as it was for publication while the internal coms were probably hundreds or thousands of post flight tweaks and future changes Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwace: Originally Posted By Furloaf: It was a tweet in response to the FAA
Here he seems oblivious to the list:
To me it appears he was out of the loop. He probably knew of all those items and involved in working on them, but didn't know they were on the report SpaceX gave to the FAA. FYI Elon is the Head Engineer for SpaceX and is involved with everything, I am sure he either wrote or was personally involved in each of the 63 items which could just as easily been 13 or 313 items. The list was kept simplified as it was for publication while the internal coms were probably hundreds or thousands of post flight tweaks and future changes Yeah, I am going to have to go with the "snarky/sarcastic" reply, since at the time it sounds like they had already completed work on 57 of the 63 items - so I think he's just commenting on the fact that "63 items" claim is completely inaccurate and hugely exaggerated, since it's at most 6 items, and apparently those were items that were not supposed to be immediate, but for future launches. Given his very close involvement with everything Starship related, I am 100% confident that of course he was aware of the 63 items they have been working on. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 11:37:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Knock on wood. |
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Posted: 9/14/2023 12:50:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
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Posted: 9/14/2023 1:13:59 PM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:13:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: videos
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:17:27 PM EST
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Posted: 9/14/2023 2:19:31 PM EST
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Come on Oct 7-8!!!!
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Posted: 9/14/2023 10:10:25 PM EST
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...and now it's "by the end of October"...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/world/spacex-starship-faa-license-expected-october-scn/index.html “The FAA is optimistic it may complete the safety review of the license application by the end of October,” the agency said. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 5:11:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: ...and now it's "by the end of October"... https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/world/spacex-starship-faa-license-expected-october-scn/index.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: ...and now it's "by the end of October"... https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/world/spacex-starship-faa-license-expected-october-scn/index.html "The FAA is optimistic it may complete the safety review of the license application by the end of October," the agency said.  |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 5:20:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: ...and now it's "by the end of October"... https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/world/spacex-starship-faa-license-expected-october-scn/index.html So Thanksgiving then. Maybe.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 8:37:28 AM EST
[#24]
Maybe the US gov is waiting for Blue Origin to catch up?
CMOS 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:26:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwace: How could anyone on this site in particular be this hard headed? FYI Elon is the Head Engineer for SpaceX and is involved with everything, I am sure he either wrote or was personally involved in each of the 63 items which could just as easily been 13 or 313 items. The list was kept simplified as it was for publication while the internal coms were probably hundreds or thousands of post flight tweaks and future changes Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwace: Originally Posted By Furloaf: It was a tweet in response to the FAA
Here he seems oblivious to the list:
To me it appears he was out of the loop. He probably knew of all those items and involved in working on them, but didn't know they were on the report SpaceX gave to the FAA. FYI Elon is the Head Engineer for SpaceX and is involved with everything, I am sure he either wrote or was personally involved in each of the 63 items which could just as easily been 13 or 313 items. The list was kept simplified as it was for publication while the internal coms were probably hundreds or thousands of post flight tweaks and future changes Which is what I said... Elon's tweets there were either him being an extremely sarcastic jackass, or being ignorant of what was communicated to the FAA. Either isn't such a good look. But that's Elon Musk. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:37:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Maybe the US gov is waiting for Blue Origin to catch up? CMOS 
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:14:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: Which is what I said... Elon's tweets there were either him being an extremely sarcastic jackass, or being ignorant of what was communicated to the FAA. Either isn't such a good look. But that's Elon Musk. Competent people struggle with incompetent people, and it often presents as sarcasm. I can't blame him. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 3:33:42 PM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2023 4:30:21 PM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2023 5:33:39 PM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2023 5:57:35 PM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2023 6:47:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: ...and now it's "by the end of October"... https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/world/spacex-starship-faa-license-expected-october-scn/index.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: ...and now it's "by the end of October"... https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/world/spacex-starship-faa-license-expected-october-scn/index.html “The FAA is optimistic it may complete the safety review of the license application by the end of October,” the agency said. Where is the safety risk is they clear air and sea downrange? Even epa are being government sludge worrying about concrete chunks in the ocean or deluge water in the sound. Fucking beaurocrats |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 6:53:15 PM EST
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Anyone know if there is a launch at the Cape tonight? Hotel staff is saying there is at 2338 lcl but I can't find anything as my Google fu is failing me I guess.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 7:05:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bushleaguepilot: Anyone know if there is a launch at the Cape tonight? Hotel staff is saying there is at 2338 lcl but I can't find anything as my Google fu is failing me I guess. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Official-SpaceX-launch-thread-Falcon-9-Starlink-6-16-15-Sept-2023-11-38-PM-EDT-Florida/5-2233736/&page=125&anc=105817211#i105817160 but I haven't seen anything this evening to confirm. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 7:09:29 PM EST
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 Whats the emblem/insignia of ? |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 7:15:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dedreckon: Where is the safety risk is they clear air and sea downrange? Even epa are being government sludge worrying about concrete chunks in the ocean or deluge water in the sound. Fucking beaurocrats It’s not EPA, it’s F and W. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 7:16:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Official-SpaceX-launch-thread-Falcon-9-Starlink-6-16-15-Sept-2023-11-38-PM-EDT-Florida/5-2233736/&page=125&anc=105817211#i105817160 but I haven't seen anything this evening to confirm. First page of the link provided. Launch delays are always a possibility. Plus this link |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 7:19:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Official-SpaceX-launch-thread-Falcon-9-Starlink-6-16-15-Sept-2023-11-38-PM-EDT-Florida/5-2233736/&page=125&anc=105817211#i105817160 but I haven't seen anything this evening to confirm. Thanks, weather's not great from what I've seen so far this evening. |
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Posted: 9/16/2023 1:48:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F57K1apbQAAGaVJ?format=jpg&name=900x900 Whats the emblem/insignia of ? |
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Posted: 9/16/2023 7:18:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F57K1apbQAAGaVJ?format=jpg&name=900x900 Whats the emblem/insignia of ? |
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Posted: 9/16/2023 1:18:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F57K1apbQAAGaVJ?format=jpg&name=900x900 Whats the emblem/insignia of ? Is that at starbase or the cape? It looks like it's supposed to be a dragon. 
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Posted: 9/16/2023 1:42:28 PM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2023 9:08:46 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2023 3:49:19 PM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2023 4:52:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: Fulcrum-5]
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"Why can't we stop the Planet Killer Asteroid in time?"
"Well, the Fish Cops did their job, and that's the important thing!" |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 4:59:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6VfGnVWYAAB5tv?format=jpg&name=large So basically more stall tactics BS. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 6:19:10 PM EST
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So, 6 months to infinity?
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Posted: 9/18/2023 6:19:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6VfGnVWYAAB5tv?format=jpg&name=large |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 6:24:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: "Why can't we stop the Planet Killer Asteroid in time?" "Well, the Fish Cops did their job, and that's the important thing!" |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 6:31:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: Fish men, North of Richmond. Sounds like an episode of the X-Files. Alien fish men have infiltrated our government and we got to do something about it... |
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