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Posted: 2/21/2020 11:27:06 AM EDT
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I might dispute that it is the finest ever made... Partly because it's not really so much of a science fiction story as a story set in the future. With a few changes you could have set the movie in the age of sail and kept the basic story. That being said, it the best of the Star Trek movies and a great movie for the reasons you mention. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots https://helenafairfax.com/2013/09/27/the-seven-basic-plots-and-your-favourite-films/ https://screencraft.org/2013/09/13/hollywood-movies-same/ https://www.businessinsider.com/movies-with-the-same-plot-2013-4#10-gran-torino-and-up-10 Star Trek (2009 movie) is a reshoot of TWOK https://www.quora.com/What-is-Mark-Hughes-theory-about-Star-Trek-2-The-Wrath-of-Khan-Star-Trek-2009-movie-being-the-same-story Essentially, you can take the story line of boy meets girl, they get married, have drama, find resolution and live happily ever after and you can paint that story line into any timeline, any planet, any society....so on. Same with TWOK. Spaceships in space, sail boats on the high seas in 1800s. You could even do wagoneer in the high plains seas of grass....add or subtract whatever elements of technology you want, but the core elements, human nature will never change. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 11:27:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Satire?  |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 11:28:53 AM EDT
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Would have been better with Steven Seagal.
Break some alien commie bones. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 11:37:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2020 11:44:25 AM EDT
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A movie about imperialist white cisgender males trying to keep their military-industrial-complex space boots on the throat of a beautiful, strong native people (who only want to create utopias across the galaxy with the Genesis device), while sacrificing their disadvantaged enlisted cannon fodder to do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/21/2020 12:00:47 PM EDT
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I don't know about the best ever, but definitely in the top 10. Easily top 5 for me (millennial). Despite being made before I could see it in theater, I think it's amazing what was accomplished without CGI, and actually looks better than CGI with movies like this.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 1:31:25 PM EDT
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It was good but not the greatest sci-fi movie ever
Oh shit view screen doesn't work in nebula, why not just look out a window ? |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 1:54:30 PM EDT
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Spelled starship troopers wrong
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Posted: 2/21/2020 1:55:58 PM EDT
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Best Star Trek movie. Period. End of story.
Best science fiction movie ever? Not so much. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 1:59:42 PM EDT
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Top 5.
And there are some terrible suggestions in this thread as the #1 sci fi movie. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:02:47 PM EDT
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Don't let the naysayers get you down OP. I agree with you. We had a copy of the script in college and used to act out Spock's death scene all the time. Still brings a tear to my eye.
"I have been and always will be your friend." 
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:10:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:10:26 PM EDT
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And there are some terrible suggestions in this thread as the #1 sci fi movie. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:16:03 PM EDT
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Best Trek movie, hands down.
Absolute best Sci Fi movie would be The Fifth Element. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:17:20 PM EDT
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yes
It’s really good. One of those movies you can watch several times and still enjoy. The wrath of Khan Excalibur Fearless And the Messenger Joan of Arc They all have that same re watch quality that Hollywood seems to have completely forgotten how to do I’ll watch it with you op, I’ll make quesadillas 
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:22:37 PM EDT
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Saw this movie in a theater (play style not film theater), two or three years ago and then ol' Bill came out and spoke for about 90 minutes and commented on the film and just about him in general. It was fantastic and the first time I had seen it on the big screen with booming sound.
He's still doing the tour, check it out if he'll be near you. http://williamshatnertour.com/ |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:25:47 PM EDT
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Master and Commander was better! |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:29:55 PM EDT
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Wow! If this is humor, excellent, you got me! LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:33:56 PM EDT
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Concur but only that it is the best of the Star Trek flicks.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:35:45 PM EDT
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I might dispute that it is the finest ever made... Partly because it's not really so much of a science fiction story as a story set in the future. With a few changes you could have set the movie in the age of sail and kept the basic story. That being said, it the best of the Star Trek movies and a great movie for the reasons you mention. In my mind ST6 and ST2 are shoulder to shoulder as the best. ST2 was Moby Dick in space. ST6 was Shakespeare in space, and both very well done. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:40:19 PM EDT
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Uh, You misspelled that greatest 80's sci fi movie which was "LifeForce" with the incredible Mathilda May
Sorry but hard to find "post-able" pictures since that nice young Space Vampire Lady has no clothes for most of the movie... 
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:11:26 PM EDT
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I don't know about all that but, Richardo Montibond did one of the best Villians, if not the best.
Shatner with his curly wig could never act that well. Looked like he was pissed off at the vacuum sales man. While Kahn was having full on phsycotic episodes. 
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:20:44 PM EDT
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Actually, I thought that the TV episode (Space Seed) that the movie was based on was much better than that movie. If that had taken the episode, expanded it to a full length movie, then it would have been spectacular. The movie was just mediocre. As far as science fiction movies, "This Island Earth," "War of the Worlds" (original not crapfest remake), and "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (original one not crapfest remake), are much better science fiction movies.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:26:03 PM EDT
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Finest Trek? Maaaaybe.
Finest Scifi? ...Bro, stop sniffin that Hoppes#9 |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:29:14 PM EDT
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Forget SW A New Hope whose sole motif was local boy makes good/zero to hero. TWOK combines so many elements from Moby Dick, A Tale of Two Cities, not to mention a WWII submarine movies, and blends them seamlessly together in a movie so power and strong if you didn't tear up at the end when you first saw it, you probably drink soy milk and have a man bun and watch Friends reruns on Netflix. It has powerful themes such as sacrifice and deals with friendship and aging and redemption. It's character arc of Kirk going from a daring flyboy breaking all the rules to learning that life (and death) doesn't escape anyone is so much more powerful than blowing up a giant super weapon. Best of all, in today's age of crappy movie making, it didn't destroy the characters the movie was based on or re-imagine them to be something other than what they were in the original series. It treated women as actual characters who were strong and smart like Dr. Marcus yet capable of loving or Lt. Saavik who was not some Mary Sue, but a fallible female character capable of learning and growing through actual experience during the story. That's all I got. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:30:02 PM EDT
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That movie cost me a high school girlfriend.
Cute, sweet girl with big firm titties. Also turned out to be a Trekie. Great thought I. There is a new Star Trek movie out, I shall take her to see it and she will be so greatful I will get to see and play with them titties again. She cried when Spock died. I mean great heaving sobs. After the movie, not being a Trekie my own self, teased her a bit about it. I did not get to see or play with the boobs that night, or ever again.
Stoopid movie. 
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:35:51 PM EDT
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That movie cost me a high school girlfriend.
Cute, sweet girl with big firm titties. Also turned out to be a Trekie. Great thought I. There is a new Star Trek movie out, I shall take her to see it and she will be so greatful I will get to see and play with them titties again. She cried when Spock died. I mean great heaving sobs. After the movie, not being a Trekie my own self, teased her a bit about it. I did not get to see or play with the boobs that night, or ever again.
Stoopid movie. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:45:42 PM EDT
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It was the best Star Trek movie.
Hell, Avatar was a better Sci-Fi movie. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:46:42 PM EDT
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Fake news, everyone knows its Battlefield Earth with John Travolta
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:47:30 PM EDT
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2001: A Space Odyssey 50th anniversary 4k HDR disagrees. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:49:04 PM EDT
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I don't know if it was the best, but it's right up there in the top 5 for me. Forbidden Planet. This Island Earth. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:52:22 PM EDT
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Forbidden Planet is probably one of the best ever made. The Andromeda Strain (The original 1970's version) is one of the best, if not the best scientifically accurate science fiction movies. War of the Worlds (1950's) hard to beat. 5 Million years to Earth (or Quatermass and the Pit) very well done movie. 2001 a Space Odyssey. Ground breaking in so many ways. There are a lot of very good science fiction movies out there - Wrath of Khan was good and enjoyable, but hardly the best. There are plenty of other 50's Sci-Fi films besides the classics you mentioned that, when taken in context, are masterpieces: Them The Day the Earth Stood Still Invasion of the Body Snatchers The Thing From Another World The Incredible Shrinking Man The Fly Gojira |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 3:52:23 PM EDT
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I bought it. Gotta get my new TV and UHD player set up. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:16:30 PM EDT
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Ice cream is a dish best served cold. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:19:36 PM EDT
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Any chance it's on Prime or Netflix?
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:26:17 PM EDT
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 Everything Wrong With Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:28:16 PM EDT
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I always like the part where carol Marcus and kirk are at genius’s cave and she says “ let me show you something wonderful as when the world was new” it looks like kirk was expecting that carol wanted a little bow wow chick a bom bom
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:29:18 PM EDT
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Stop smoking salvia.
Star Trek is lame. The best Sci Fi movie ever was Aliens |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:29:52 PM EDT
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no & no and no OP 
for the rplot, characterarch, & style points you stated cocoon is the best sci fi movie ever. for reasons not mentioned by OP Predator is the best scifi action movie but as far as best sci fi movie ever I'd have to go with John carpenter's the thing. science fiction is al massive genre. to point at what is essentially a grudge match battle in space is too ignore some of the greatest themes in scifi |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:31:42 PM EDT
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Any chance it's on Prime or Netflix?  The paid version was a bit different than the theatrical release. Kirk makes an ass of himself in sick bay when Scotty's nephew dies (sorry, no spoiler alerts on near 4 decade old movies), and that same nephew talks shit about Star Fleet command when Kirk arrives for inspection.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:34:28 PM EDT
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I saw it in the theater about 10 times the Summer it was released.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:38:11 PM EDT
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I’m inclined to agree. It’s an absolute masterpiece.
There are lots of great movies in that genre, so I can’t declsre it “the best” for sure, but it’s close for me. I’d see it over and over again in IMAX if they did a limited re-release. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:38:45 PM EDT
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Certainly the best of TOS based movies. Followed by The Undiscovered Country. I like to pretend ST IV and V never happened. First Contact is the best of the STTNG based movies. The new Start Trek movies don't do much for me. I've been watching the new Picard series. I think it's very well done. That show is as big an insult to Star Trek TNG as The Last Jedi is to Star Wars. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:54:21 PM EDT
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Uh, You misspelled that greatest 80's sci fi movie which was "LifeForce" with the incredible Mathilda May
Sorry but hard to find "post-able" pictures since that nice young Space Vampire Lady has no clothes for most of the movie... https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BPCNR6/mathilda-may-shadow-lifeforce-1985-BPCNR6.jpg |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:19:26 PM EDT
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Is Kahn's chest real? I say no but some reports say yes. What says the hive?
Not the best SciFi, Kubrick disagrees. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:22:50 PM EDT
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The USS Reliant / Córdoba does not make sense. It lacks a navigation array.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVELhUyLZGk |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:24:51 PM EDT
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You are not wrong, the music is great too. Oddly enough as fictional spacecraft go I really like the lines of the Reliant.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/0/05/USS_Reliant.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090525051807&path-prefix=en  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaVIIoRKBlk |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:51:19 PM EDT
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[blowjob]V'ger[/blowjob]
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Posted: 2/21/2020 8:23:44 PM EDT
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It was better that the first one, but I enjoy others more.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 8:45:33 PM EDT
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Before my time but man.. that villain's voice... has there ever been a better one?
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