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Posted: 6/14/2023 10:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TNG.  Star Trek INtakes: Data Was Worried 
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Posted: 6/15/2023 12:26:40 AM EDT
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After all this time and after multiple attempts, I just can't get into TOS. I can sit through most of the movies just fine, but the series just never drew me in.
Like most people in this thread, I got my start with TNG, so that became the baseline for everything that came after it DS9 was great, if you skip season 1. Theres really nothing established there that you can't pick up on in later episodes, and you'll miss all of the garbage episodes. the only complaint is that the writers forgot that shields exist in later seasons Voyager was trash. No continuity, terrible characters, terrible writing. I liked the idea of it, but the execution missed the mark ENT was another one that I liked the concept of, but it didnt start getting good until it was too late Disco I watched all of one episode. That was enough. its shit SNW I've seen clips of, and from that seems ok. But my ex killed her paramount account, so I'll have to find someplace else to obtain a copy picard was 2 and a half seasons of shit that was only saved by concentrated nostalgia bombing the last couple episodes Lower decks is easily the most trek thing I've seen in the last 20 years. of course thats probably due to again near constant head nods and nostalgia bombs. despite being a cartoon, I imagine that its the most realistic portrayal of starfleet possible prodigy is a thing which exists. But its a kids cartoon that stars janeway, and thus I dont give a shit I think the takeaway here is that skipping the first season of any trek show is probably in your best interest |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 12:28:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After all this time and after multiple attempts, I just can't get into TOS. I can sit through most of the movies just fine, but the series just never drew me in. Like most people in this thread, I got my start with TNG, so that became the baseline for everything that came after it DS9 was great, if you skip season 1. Theres really nothing established there that you can't pick up on in later episodes, and you'll miss all of the garbage episodes. the only complaint is that the writers forgot that shields exist in later seasons Voyager was trash. No continuity, terrible characters, terrible writing. I liked the idea of it, but the execution missed the mark ENT was another one that I liked the concept of, but it didnt start getting good until it was too late Disco I watched all of one episode. That was enough. its shit SNW I've seen clips of, and from that seems ok. But my ex killed her paramount account, so I'll have to find someplace else to obtain a copy picard was 2 and a half seasons of shit that was only saved by concentrated nostalgia bombing the last couple episodes Lower decks is easily the most trek thing I've seen in the last 20 years. of course thats probably due to again near constant head nods and nostalgia bombs. despite being a cartoon, I imagine that its the most realistic portrayal of starfleet possible prodigy is a thing which exists. But its a kids cartoon that stars janeway, and thus I dont give a shit I think the takeaway here is that skipping the first season of any trek show is probably in your best interest Season 1 DS9 has one of the best trek episodes of all time of any series (Duet) But yeah, most of the rest of the season is pretty forgettable. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 1:05:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Season 1 DS9 has one of the best trek episodes of all time of any series (Duet) But yeah, most of the rest of the season is pretty forgettable. move along home babel even the Q episode was kinda shit  Sisko punches Q |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 1:30:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: duet was season 1? huh I thought it came later. That and episode1 are all that really need watched. the rest of the season isnt just forgettable, its bad. move along home babel even the Q episode was kinda shit  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etc8qdqiR5k Supercut - Benjamin Sisko Yelling at Everyone |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:21:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: duet was season 1? huh I thought it came later. That and episode1 are all that really need watched. the rest of the season isnt just forgettable, its bad. move along home babel even the Q episode was kinda shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etc8qdqiR5kEmissary is decent and establishes everyone, especially Sisko. On rewatch now, I skip a lot of the Prophet vision stuff, just because it’s slow. Past Prologue is decent. A Man Alone is decent. Babel is meh. Captive Pursuit is meh. Q Less isn’t very good. Dax is decent. The Passenger is semi-meh. Move Along Home sucks. The Nagus is meh. It does establish some recurring characters, so worth watching once. Vortex is semi-decent. Battle Lines isn’t very good. The Storyteller isn’t very good. Progress is semi-decent. Good acting but slow. If Wishes Were Horses is meh. The Forsaken is meh. Dramatis Personae is meh. Duet is amazing and is one of the best ever. In the Hands of the Prophets is decent and establishes major recurring characters. On rewatch, I skip about half the episodes. Way better than TNG which only had at most three watchable episodes in S1. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:33:08 AM EDT
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I celebrate his entire catalog.
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:36:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After all this time and after multiple attempts, I just can't get into TOS. I can sit through most of the movies just fine, but the series just never drew me in. Like most people in this thread, I got my start with TNG, so that became the baseline for everything that came after it DS9 was great, if you skip season 1. Theres really nothing established there that you can't pick up on in later episodes, and you'll miss all of the garbage episodes. the only complaint is that the writers forgot that shields exist in later seasons Voyager was trash. No continuity, terrible characters, terrible writing. I liked the idea of it, but the execution missed the mark ENT was another one that I liked the concept of, but it didnt start getting good until it was too late Disco I watched all of one episode. That was enough. its shit SNW I've seen clips of, and from that seems ok. But my ex killed her paramount account, so I'll have to find someplace else to obtain a copy picard was 2 and a half seasons of shit that was only saved by concentrated nostalgia bombing the last couple episodes Lower decks is easily the most trek thing I've seen in the last 20 years. of course thats probably due to again near constant head nods and nostalgia bombs. despite being a cartoon, I imagine that its the most realistic portrayal of starfleet possible prodigy is a thing which exists. But its a kids cartoon that stars janeway, and thus I dont give a shit I think the takeaway here is that skipping the first season of any trek show is probably in your best interest Season 1 of Strange New Worlds is free on Youtube if you want to check it out. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 12:39:05 PM EDT
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Last night I finished season 1 of SNW. It's available free on Amazon Prime through the end of the month. For the most part I thought it was good.
Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 12:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last night I finished season 1 of SNW. It's available free on Amazon Prime through the end of the month. For the most part I thought it was good. Click To View Spoiler Season 2 tonight Looking forward to it... |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 1:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Season 1 of Strange New Worlds is free on Youtube if you want to check it out. Season 2 starts TONIGHT. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 2:30:53 PM EDT
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I was able to watch on Paramount+. Not a bad episode.
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Posted: 6/15/2023 2:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last night I finished season 1 of SNW. It's available free on Amazon Prime through the end of the month. For the most part I thought it was good. Ditto. I really liked episode 10. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:02:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Season 2 tonight Looking forward to it... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Last night I finished season 1 of SNW. It's available free on Amazon Prime through the end of the month. For the most part I thought it was good. Click To View Spoiler Season 2 tonight Looking forward to it... Just watched the first 4 episodes. Not bad. Strange that the intro looks like 480p video. Whatever. I liked the shows. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Season 2 starts TONIGHT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Season 1 of Strange New Worlds is free on Youtube if you want to check it out. Season 2 starts TONIGHT. I watched Episode 1 of Season 2 this morning. I liked it. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:54:07 PM EDT
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I like TOS and TNG the same, but... apples and oranges.
DS9 was deeper, until they copped out and brought Worf on board. Voyager almost always sucked. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:55:36 PM EDT
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Guess I need to check out LD and SNW. What I heard of Discovery was so universally negative, I just figured Trek was dead.
Can you watch Picard S3 without seeing 1-2? Guess I could read a synopsis. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 10:05:51 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like TOS and TNG the same, but... apples and oranges. DS9 was deeper, until they copped out and brought Worf on board. Voyager almost always sucked. DS9 hits its stride when they bring in Worf. His character development on DS9 is orders of magnitude better than in TNG |
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Posted: 6/18/2023 10:07:30 PM EDT
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Well, this feels disturbingly familiar.
  Eat your bugs, Picard I believe they said, “set phasers to hyperdeath. Stun doesn’t work in this case.” |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 12:07:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, this feels disturbingly familiar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HVi5Kt--64I believe they said, “set phasers to hyperdeath. Stun doesn’t work in this case.” Doctor, one does not beam down to Starfleet Headquarters armed. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 12:10:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess I need to check out LD and SNW. What I heard of Discovery was so universally negative, I just figured Trek was dead. Can you watch Picard S3 without seeing 1-2? Guess I could read a synopsis. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 2:06:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guess I need to check out LD and SNW. What I heard of Discovery was so universally negative, I just figured Trek was dead. Can you watch Picard S3 without seeing 1-2? Guess I could read a synopsis. Picard died and got put in something like a living machine body. Riker and Troi got married, had two kids, one died. 7of9 went freelance, got an (now ex) girlfriend, rejoined starfleet. There you go. S3 has almost nothing to do with the first two seasons. It does tie in with DS9 and the Dominion War. TYCOM |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 9:46:30 AM EDT
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I binged watched the first season episodes of Strange New Worlds showing free on YouTube. I really kinda liked it. That inspired me to sign up for Paramount Plus and I started watching Star Trek Picard. Surprisingly, I'm on about the fifth episode and I kinda like it too.
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Posted: 6/19/2023 10:26:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I binged watched the first season episodes of Strange New Worlds showing free on YouTube. I really kinda liked it. That inspired me to sign up for Paramount Plus and I started watching Star Trek Picard. Surprisingly, I'm on about the fifth episode and I kinda like it too. I will watch episode 10 of S1 this afternoon. I see Paramount+ in my future. How much does it cost? |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 10:30:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will watch episode 10 of S1 this afternoon. I see Paramount+ in my future. How much does it cost? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I binged watched the first season episodes of Strange New Worlds showing free on YouTube. I really kinda liked it. That inspired me to sign up for Paramount Plus and I started watching Star Trek Picard. Surprisingly, I'm on about the fifth episode and I kinda like it too. I will watch episode 10 of S1 this afternoon. I see Paramount+ in my future. How much does it cost? I got the $4.99 a month plan. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 5:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got the $4.99 a month plan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I binged watched the first season episodes of Strange New Worlds showing free on YouTube. I really kinda liked it. That inspired me to sign up for Paramount Plus and I started watching Star Trek Picard. Surprisingly, I'm on about the fifth episode and I kinda like it too. I will watch episode 10 of S1 this afternoon. I see Paramount+ in my future. How much does it cost? I got the $4.99 a month plan. Dammit. I don't see, "The mayor of ________" show in their ad. Is that still going? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:31:08 AM EDT
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Were the Gorn retconned for Strange New Worlds or were they always Xenomorph/Magog like?
 I don't recall that from Star Trek Online and the only other time the Gorn were seen was that One TOS episode and that other Enterprise Mirror Universe episode. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:39:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which episode is that? (Trick question.)  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TOS - Season 1, Episode 1. Which episode is that? (Trick question.) The Pilot |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:39:21 AM EDT
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Quote History[b] Also, I'm on Star Trek: Online alot if any of you are as well. been playing since launch up until my son was born. despite its flaws, its a fun game. theyve done well to bring back some trek actors and give it a good trek feel. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 1:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Were the Gorn retconned for Strange New Worlds or were they always Xenomorph/Magog like? I don't recall that from Star Trek Online and the only other time the Gorn were seen was that One TOS episode and that other Enterprise Mirror Universe episode. They appear to be retconned and fleshed out. In TOS "Arena" it was clear that the Federation had not previously encountered the Gorn. This is one case where I'm OK with retconning. Gorn, you scary. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 1:46:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Pilot Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: TOS - Season 1, Episode 1. Which episode is that? (Trick question.) The Pilot The pilot was "The Cage", which never aired. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:59:02 PM EDT
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Paramount Plus put the first episode of Season 2 of Strange New Worlds up on their YouTube channel.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 10:39:43 PM EDT
[#33]
Fairly big ST fan...not convention goer but seen most all episodes multiple times.
Didn't read all 5 pages so some things were already covered. TOS-revolutionary for its time, too short and many episodes don't well TNG-Grew up on this so near and dear to me. Seasons 1-3 were sterile but decent-Really picked up after that. Really, really good writing in those later episodes-like some epidoses you're so hooked you realize nothing special happened. Also really enjoyed those episodes where they focused on specific cast/crew members...especially the one about the group of FNG's. DS-9-Probably top or 2nd to TNG IMO. More gritty, frontier like. Sisko's pimp hand is strong Voyager-Meh. Year of hell was good, but some characters were cardboard cutouts. Should have cut/killed off Kim, Neelix and Kex after 1st season Enterprise-So much potential, but results are meh. Super crappy finale. Only thing great about this series is probably the hottest collection of chicks out of them all. Star Trek: Discovery-Dumpster fire. Full on woke. Avoid at all costs. Should be deleted out of the genre. Strange New Worlds-Got a bunch of wokeness but tries to balance it with TOS action. More woke than not. Solid 5-6 out of 10 Picard: Season 1-2. Another dumpster fire. Avoid. BUT Season 3 was AWESOME. Pulled in the things that people loved about TNG and exploited it to the fullest...and I ate it up. Below Decks-Never saw but what I heard...No good. My verdict TNG=DS9>TOS>Voyager>Enterprise>Strange New Worlds>Picard (only bc Season 3)>Discovery. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 11:51:37 PM EDT
[#34]
Nurse Chapel and Spock better get together or I'm gonna be pissed off.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 11:56:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They appear to be retconned and fleshed out. In TOS "Arena" it was clear that the Federation had not previously encountered the Gorn. This is one case where I'm OK with retconning. Gorn, you scary.  
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Posted: 6/23/2023 11:04:09 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nurse Chapel and Spock better get together or I'm gonna be pissed off. It's a different time line so they just might.  |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 12:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fairly big ST fan...not convention goer but seen most all episodes multiple times. Didn't read all 5 pages so some things were already covered. TOS-revolutionary for its time, too short and many episodes don't well TNG-Grew up on this so near and dear to me. Seasons 1-3 were sterile but decent-Really picked up after that. Really, really good writing in those later episodes-like some epidoses you're so hooked you realize nothing special happened. Also really enjoyed those episodes where they focused on specific cast/crew members...especially the one about the group of FNG's. DS-9-Probably top or 2nd to TNG IMO. More gritty, frontier like. Sisko's pimp hand is strong Voyager-Meh. Year of hell was good, but some characters were cardboard cutouts. Should have cut/killed off Kim, Neelix and Kex after 1st season Enterprise-So much potential, but results are meh. Super crappy finale. Only thing great about this series is probably the hottest collection of chicks out of them all. Star Trek: Discovery-Dumpster fire. Full on woke. Avoid at all costs. Should be deleted out of the genre. Strange New Worlds-Got a bunch of wokeness but tries to balance it with TOS action. More woke than not. Solid 5-6 out of 10 Picard: Season 1-2. Another dumpster fire. Avoid. BUT Season 3 was AWESOME. Pulled in the things that people loved about TNG and exploited it to the fullest...and I ate it up. Lower My verdict TNG=DS9>TOS>Voyager>Enterprise>Strange New Worlds>Picard (only bc Season 3)>Discovery. I dont know what you have been hearing, but Lower Decks is GREAT. it's good ST and funny to boot. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 1:43:27 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont know what you have been hearing, but Lower Decks is GREAT. it's good ST and funny to boot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fairly big ST fan...not convention goer but seen most all episodes multiple times. Didn't read all 5 pages so some things were already covered. TOS-revolutionary for its time, too short and many episodes don't well TNG-Grew up on this so near and dear to me. Seasons 1-3 were sterile but decent-Really picked up after that. Really, really good writing in those later episodes-like some epidoses you're so hooked you realize nothing special happened. Also really enjoyed those episodes where they focused on specific cast/crew members...especially the one about the group of FNG's. DS-9-Probably top or 2nd to TNG IMO. More gritty, frontier like. Sisko's pimp hand is strong Voyager-Meh. Year of hell was good, but some characters were cardboard cutouts. Should have cut/killed off Kim, Neelix and Kex after 1st season Enterprise-So much potential, but results are meh. Super crappy finale. Only thing great about this series is probably the hottest collection of chicks out of them all. Star Trek: Discovery-Dumpster fire. Full on woke. Avoid at all costs. Should be deleted out of the genre. Strange New Worlds-Got a bunch of wokeness but tries to balance it with TOS action. More woke than not. Solid 5-6 out of 10 Picard: Season 1-2. Another dumpster fire. Avoid. BUT Season 3 was AWESOME. Pulled in the things that people loved about TNG and exploited it to the fullest...and I ate it up. Lower My verdict TNG=DS9>TOS>Voyager>Enterprise>Strange New Worlds>Picard (only bc Season 3)>Discovery. I dont know what you have been hearing, but Lower Decks is GREAT. it's good ST and funny to boot. You gotta be a major geek to get the references. BTW, isn't season 4 due about now? |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 2:17:09 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You gotta be a major geek to get the references. BTW, isn't season 4 due about now? Sometime this summer is all they are saying |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 2:57:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometime this summer is all they are saying Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You gotta be a major geek to get the references. BTW, isn't season 4 due about now? Sometime this summer is all they are saying We really want to see this:  Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Cast on Lower Decks Crossover |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 3:05:45 PM EDT
[#41]
Actually I liked Star Trek Voyager the best.
7 of 9 comes to mind....   |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 3:14:21 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You gotta be a major geek to get the references. BTW, isn't season 4 due about now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fairly big ST fan...not convention goer but seen most all episodes multiple times. Didn't read all 5 pages so some things were already covered. TOS-revolutionary for its time, too short and many episodes don't well TNG-Grew up on this so near and dear to me. Seasons 1-3 were sterile but decent-Really picked up after that. Really, really good writing in those later episodes-like some epidoses you're so hooked you realize nothing special happened. Also really enjoyed those episodes where they focused on specific cast/crew members...especially the one about the group of FNG's. DS-9-Probably top or 2nd to TNG IMO. More gritty, frontier like. Sisko's pimp hand is strong Voyager-Meh. Year of hell was good, but some characters were cardboard cutouts. Should have cut/killed off Kim, Neelix and Kex after 1st season Enterprise-So much potential, but results are meh. Super crappy finale. Only thing great about this series is probably the hottest collection of chicks out of them all. Star Trek: Discovery-Dumpster fire. Full on woke. Avoid at all costs. Should be deleted out of the genre. Strange New Worlds-Got a bunch of wokeness but tries to balance it with TOS action. More woke than not. Solid 5-6 out of 10 Picard: Season 1-2. Another dumpster fire. Avoid. BUT Season 3 was AWESOME. Pulled in the things that people loved about TNG and exploited it to the fullest...and I ate it up. Lower My verdict TNG=DS9>TOS>Voyager>Enterprise>Strange New Worlds>Picard (only bc Season 3)>Discovery. I dont know what you have been hearing, but Lower Decks is GREAT. it's good ST and funny to boot. You gotta be a major geek to get the references. BTW, isn't season 4 due about now? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:24:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you'd have to be a major geek to get all of the references, but even most normies would get the surface level stuff I'm not sure why, but the dog turning into a cinder block and then rolling around had me in stitches. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure why, but the dog turning into a cinder block and then rolling around had me in stitches.  Stealing The Phoenix • Star Trek Lower Decks Season 3 | S03E01 And obligatory DS9 reference  Lower Decks - USS Cerritos in awe of the pylons Ah hell I forgot about the trial. this was great for an early episode  Boimler Tells Truth About Starfleet Officers - Star Trek Lower Decks 1x08 |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 12:07:23 PM EDT
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Last nights episode of DS9. They just about nailed what 2024 San Francisco is probably going to look like except I think they were a tad optimistic. They walled up the crazy people and welfare seekers instead of letting them have the run of the city and allegedly in that timeline they had effective treatments for schizophrenia?
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Posted: 6/29/2023 12:39:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last nights episode of DS9. They just about nailed what 2024 San Francisco is probably going to look like except I think they were a tad optimistic. They walled up the crazy people and welfare seekers instead of letting them have the run of the city and allegedly in that timeline they had effective treatments for schizophrenia? |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 12:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure why, but the dog turning into a cinder block and then rolling around had me in stitches. I think the best part of that scene was that after ‘The Dog’ rolled off screen that everyone carried on like it’s just another day in Star Fleet. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 1:07:45 PM EDT
[#48]
It's interesting no one is talking about season 2 of Strange New Worlds. Three episodes in and I'm losing interest in the show.
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Posted: 6/29/2023 1:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's interesting no one is talking about season 2 of Strange New Worlds. Three episodes in and I'm losing interest in the show. Episode 2 Social Justice League thing they had going on... 
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Posted: 6/29/2023 1:15:11 PM EDT
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