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Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:22:28 PM EDT
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Draggin my balls over the top of page two.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:24:26 PM EDT
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Oil rebounded and so did stocks. My call is that we rebound for the rest of the week and then panic sell again next week.
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Maybe...

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Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:26:20 PM EDT
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Of course it did.

There is ZERO reason for a big crash.

It was profit taking before the year end and then all of the sudden they were on sale.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:29:20 PM EDT
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Damn, must be some kind of record!
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:29:39 PM EDT
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Of course it did.

There is ZERO reason for a big crash.

It was profit taking before the year end and then all of the sudden they were on sale.
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Profit taking, tax loss, fund managers rebalancing, etc.

Can you update your sigline, man?
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:34:03 PM EDT
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Profit taking, tax loss, fund managers rebalancing, etc.

Can you update your sigline, man?
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Of course it did.

There is ZERO reason for a big crash.

It was profit taking before the year end and then all of the sudden they were on sale.
Profit taking, tax loss, fund managers rebalancing, etc.

Can you update your sigline, man?
LOL, I need to.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:36:22 PM EDT
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Any chance I can find out what VFIFX is doing real time?
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:39:19 PM EDT
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It’s almost like it is manipulated.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:42:43 PM EDT
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Any chance I can find out what VFIFX is doing real time?
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Track the following

SPY - domestic stocks
AGG - bonds
VXUS - international stocks

Your target fund is basically made up of those 3 (or similar)
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:43:48 PM EDT
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Now if we can just get a few days of this.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:45:14 PM EDT
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Stock market can burn in hell, its all horseshit cocksuckin’ lies.

Burn MFer BURN!
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 7:56:29 PM EDT
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Stock market can burn in hell, its all horseshit cocksuckin’ lies.

Burn MFer BURN!
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You seem angry.....
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 8:18:35 PM EDT
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Stock market can burn in hell, its all horseshit cocksuckin’ lies.

Burn MFer BURN!
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Link Posted: 12/26/2018 8:29:21 PM EDT
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Stock market can burn in hell, its all horseshit cocksuckin’ lies.

Burn MFer BURN!
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How is it lies? Can you explain further and give details?
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 8:40:42 PM EDT
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The market is oversold considering the underlying fundamentals and although I'm not certain through exactly which mechanism, I believe we've recent experienced market manipulation to the downside for political purposes by the globalists.
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I disagree. The market has been overbought for over a year. It's still on the high side.  Much better position than last summer though. Shiller P/E is still well above the mean and average. Never got as high as 2000 thankfully.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 8:41:52 PM EDT
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How is it lies? Can you explain further and give details?
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+1
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 8:46:30 PM EDT
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Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 8:53:11 PM EDT
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Track the following

SPY - domestic stocks
AGG - bonds
VXUS - international stocks

Your target fund is basically made up of those 3 (or similar)
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Thanks mate!
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 9:04:18 PM EDT
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Yet my main stocks are up less than 1%

I know how to pick em
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I had one go up 65% today. But I did a trailng stop at $.20 and it sold at 35%. And then shot up.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 9:05:36 PM EDT
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S&P will hit 2500 and go sideways for a time and then pop over making people think the bounce is in. Then once the dumb money starts buying the smart will sell into the buying and pull the rug out.

Interesting observation: if you look at the S&P daily back in 2008 just before the crash and you compare it to the current trends you will find that they are almost identical.
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 9:09:14 PM EDT
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The market likes government shutdown?
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 9:16:02 PM EDT
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It will probably crash tomorrow (fuck Mondays).
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My 401K has been taking a beating for 3 months...just checked, down 16%
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 9:17:05 PM EDT
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I'm still down $3,500



I'm not even going to look at my 401k. I don't want to know.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:13:01 AM EDT
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If you will need the money in near future maybe pull money out.

I expect market will continue to tank for awhile.   In any event pulling money out locks in losses.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:18:03 AM EDT
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My portfolio is still down $30k since October. Everyone keeps saying profit taking, and that it’ll bounce back.

It hasn’t.

One day up doesn’t make up for four days of massive losses, repeatedly.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:24:08 AM EDT
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My portfolio is still down $30k since October. Everyone keeps saying profit taking, and that it’ll bounce back.

It hasn’t.

One day up doesn’t make up for four days of massive losses, repeatedly.
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Of course no one likes to lose money but with that how many years away are you from actually needing that money??
Guy I am actually retired and I am not freaked out by this.

It's the system we are now in.
Practically everyone is now in the market for their retirement needs.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:28:52 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:31:16 AM EDT
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It’s almost like it is manipulated.
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It is.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:31:58 AM EDT
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It is.
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Bullshit.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:36:12 AM EDT
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Buckle up.  I think I'll exchange out some of my 401k into cash tomorrow.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 8:34:06 AM EDT
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Buckle up.  I think I'll exchange out some of my 401k into cash tomorrow.
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Buckle up.  I think I'll exchange out some of my 401k into cash tomorrow.
Wait, lemme get some corn.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 8:41:35 AM EDT
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My 401K has been taking a beating for 3 months...just checked, down 16%
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Friend of mine wants to retire next month and he's been freaking out a bit.

Told him it's no big deal as long as youre not retiring in the next month... oh wait.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 9:06:41 AM EDT
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How’s the brave new HFT world going to handle this?  Last time was 2012 but the Fed did operation twist around there yes?
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 9:10:47 AM EDT
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Bullshit.
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It is.
Bullshit.
Only when the fed balance sheet goes to zero can we START to say the stock market isn’t manipulated.

If we want to get serious about free financial valuation markets, we would need at least 5% interest rates.

It’s never been this manipulated in our entire history
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 9:15:09 AM EDT
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Friend of mine wants to retire next month and he's been freaking out a bit.

Told him it's no big deal as long as youre not retiring in the next month... oh wait.
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Your friend should have been converting from higher risk stocks to bonds and low risk stocks.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 9:35:24 AM EDT
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The machines dont operate off the condition of the economy.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 9:58:54 AM EDT
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Of course no one likes to lose money but with that how many years away are you from actually needing that money??
Guy I am actually retired and I am not freaked out by this.

It's the system we are now in.
Practically everyone is now in the market for their retirement needs.
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You bring up a good point.

The danger is that the Fed will continue to raise interest rates and older individuals will flee equities and buy bonds.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 10:17:46 AM EDT
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Dow futures to drag down yesterdays gains?
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 10:34:04 AM EDT
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The machines dont operate off the condition of the economy.
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Black-Scholes
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 10:56:56 AM EDT
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Well it isnt looking great so far lol
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 11:15:32 AM EDT
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Well it isnt looking great so far lol
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Volatility is the new status quo lately...

It's still early, let's see how today plays out
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 11:21:17 AM EDT
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Rumor has it there will be historic pension fund rebalance activity Monday that’s driving a lot of this insanity.

Quarterly rebalance to maintain debt/equity ratios.

Monday could get weird.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 11:55:31 AM EDT
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Yep on Monday.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 11:56:34 AM EDT
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Rumor has it there will be historic pension fund rebalance activity Monday that’s driving a lot of this insanity.

Quarterly rebalance to maintain debt/equity ratios.

Monday could get weird.
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A lot of rebalancing will take place this week.
As a matter of fact my 401k will automatically rebalance for the year this Friday.

God how I hate feeding that miserable performing  International equity fund.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:01:22 PM EDT
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A lot of rebalancing will take place this week.
As a matter of fact my 401k will automatically rebalance for the year this Friday.

God how I hate feeding that miserable performing  International equity fund.
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Rumor has it there will be historic pension fund rebalance activity Monday that’s driving a lot of this insanity.

Quarterly rebalance to maintain debt/equity ratios.

Monday could get weird.
A lot of rebalancing will take place this week.
As a matter of fact my 401k will automatically rebalance for the year this Friday.

God how I hate feeding that miserable performing  International equity fund.
So sell it.  I sold a bunch of international crap to get all US stocks.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:10:04 PM EDT
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Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
He's right. The market is/was manipulated. For the longest time, the VIX was at historical lows, because the FED was basically short the VIX.

Powell in 2012 FOMC meeting

“So when it is time for us to sell, or even to stop buying, the response could be quite strong; there is every reason to expect a strong response. So there are a couple of ways to look at it. It is about $1.2 trillion in sales; you take 60 months, you get about $20 billion a month. That is a very doable thing, it sounds like, in a market where the norm by the middle of next year is $80 billion a month. Another way to look at it, though, is that it’s not so much the sale, the duration; it’s also unloading our short volatility position. When you turn and say to the market, ‘I’ve got $1.2 trillion of these things,’ it’s not just $20 billion a month — it’s the sight of the whole thing coming. And I think there is a pretty good chance that you could have quite a dynamic response in the market.”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-bond-market-is-giving-an-early-warning-to-the-stock-market-2018-01-11
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:16:10 PM EDT
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Friend of mine wants to retire next month and he's been freaking out a bit.

Told him it's no big deal as long as youre not retiring in the next month... oh wait.
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My 401K has been taking a beating for 3 months...just checked, down 16%
Friend of mine wants to retire next month and he's been freaking out a bit.

Told him it's no big deal as long as youre not retiring in the next month... oh wait.
its not like he's going to close the account on the day he retires. He is probably going to draw monthly living expenses. Being this close to retirement I'm sure some of his funds were i low risk investments. He can start taking money out of those and allow the riskier investments to recover.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:26:26 PM EDT
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Construction markets are up quite a bit in 4/5 of the major markets we work in, and are projected to be strong through 2020.

Help wanted signs everywhere, everyone I know seems to be making good money and being good consumers.

I'm on the side that thinks manipulating the interest rates, and a down market is bullshit.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:46:15 PM EDT
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A lot of rebalancing will take place this week.
As a matter of fact my 401k will automatically rebalance for the year this Friday.

God how I hate feeding that miserable performing  International equity fund.
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Doesn't that just make your losses real? I wouldn't be moving money out of any fund thats in the negative right now.
Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:50:57 PM EDT
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Doesn't that just make your losses real? I wouldn't be moving money out of any fund thats in the negative right now.
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A lot of rebalancing will take place this week.
As a matter of fact my 401k will automatically rebalance for the year this Friday.

God how I hate feeding that miserable performing  International equity fund.
Doesn't that just make your losses real? I wouldn't be moving money out of any fund thats in the negative right now.
There’s no such thing as realized or unrealized losses in a 401k.  Nothing is taxed until withdrawal.

As far as average unit cost, if the equity portion is way down, you wouldnt be selling any of those, you’d be selling the funds that were up or “down less” to boost up the funds that were down most.

In a debt/equity split of the the equity markets are down you’d be selling the bonds to bring up the holdings in equities.
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