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Posted: 3/1/2023 6:19:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember, no English.... lol |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 6:23:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY. Most USAF bases located outside the US are simply "Air Bases." Yes, the movie Air Force One got it wrong too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not surprised. Been to Ramstein Yes, the movie Air Force One got it wrong too. Lol.....true, but I don't care.....AFBs are AFBs it was quicker to acronym.....sue me. The point may have been lost. Have you ever even been to Ramstein? It's creepy who sits outside the base openly observing and reporting. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 7:21:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war.  |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 8:57:20 AM EST
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Tail numbers make it easier to track losses. Russia shut down all their amateur aviation websites for that reason.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:00:22 AM EST
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I love these threads.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:01:43 AM EST
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:02:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember, no English.... 
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:23:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to collect a little bit of early USSteel memorabilia. I worked at one of the mills near Pittsburgh, and it was built in 1938. I got a Pittsburgh newspaper front page from the day it opened and one of the front page stories was about the ground breaking. This is 1938 - the article said the mill was being built for the "war effort". So they knew it was coming Definitely. The US may have had a sense that they would eventually be forced to join. In 1938 it wasnt a forgone conclusion we WOULD be fighting. Japan had kicked things off in China in 37, Germany had annexed Austria in 38. Wasnt hard for anyone with a brain to see the clouds of war forming. You dont have a defeated Imperial Germany elect a totalitarian to power, and completly violate every end of WW1 treaty and NOT expect the self declared 3rd Reich to start some shit. I do think it's fascinating that Pearl Harbor essentially was one giant steroid for our defense industry. Not just in production capacity, but just how rapidly EVERY facet of military technology got cranked to 11. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:41:08 AM EST
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You can't see the markings from a photo taken at twilight.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:47:47 AM EST
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Probably some unit went too far with crew chiefs and nose art, and a high-level unit command chief master sergeant flipped out and directed that all markings be removed from aircraft, and his commander went along with it because it was easier than arguing with an over-inflated lunatic whose office is adjacent.
At least that’s how markings get removed from ground tactical vehicles. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:55:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's similar to traveling the world and putting a Canadian flag on your back pack. I've done that. Cayman Island flag patch too, I mean who has the CI possibly offended, except maybe the IRS at one point. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:57:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Germans originally named their U-boats with consecutive numbers, until they realized that let the Allies know how many U-boats they had. They then started naming their U-boats in unrelated number blocks to prevent this. Did not know that. Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:59:10 AM EST
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"Paging Eugene Hasenfus. Eugene Hasenfus.
Eugene Hasenfus to the White Courtesy Phone, please." |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 10:06:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to collect a little bit of early USSteel memorabilia. I worked at one of the mills near Pittsburgh, and it was built in 1938. I got a Pittsburgh newspaper front page from the day it opened and one of the front page stories was about the ground breaking. This is 1938 - the article said the mill was being built for the "war effort". So they knew it was coming Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war. I used to collect a little bit of early USSteel memorabilia. I worked at one of the mills near Pittsburgh, and it was built in 1938. I got a Pittsburgh newspaper front page from the day it opened and one of the front page stories was about the ground breaking. This is 1938 - the article said the mill was being built for the "war effort". So they knew it was coming The mill in Washington pa? |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 10:13:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There might be something the bad guys could learn from knowing WHICH particular C-5 is coming and going somewhere, but it seems kind of left field to me. You could make the number of AC deployed to a particular location less obvious, but gee, somebody can just count them on the line with a pair of binos anyway. I'd think if you wanted to confuse them, paint a different tail number on every night. Then they'd think we have 87 C-5s instead of 12 maybe. I'm going with Biden appointed woke AF general doesn't want to trigger anyone reading UNITED STATES AIR FORCE and then them having to use a safe space chit to go and get a group hug. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hard to track units or numbers of aircraft without markings. Good idea but curious.. There might be something the bad guys could learn from knowing WHICH particular C-5 is coming and going somewhere, but it seems kind of left field to me. You could make the number of AC deployed to a particular location less obvious, but gee, somebody can just count them on the line with a pair of binos anyway. I'd think if you wanted to confuse them, paint a different tail number on every night. Then they'd think we have 87 C-5s instead of 12 maybe. I'm going with Biden appointed woke AF general doesn't want to trigger anyone reading UNITED STATES AIR FORCE and then them having to use a safe space chit to go and get a group hug. Not even close. The current Air Mobility Command CO, Gen. Mike Minihan said last year that war with China is coming sooner than we expect, and that his airmen should prepare by emptying magazines at the heads of their targets. He also said "When you can kill your enemy, every part of your life is better. Your food tastes better. Your marriage is stronger." Sounds to me like we need more like that. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 11:03:52 AM EST
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They are not stripping the jets of all markings.
they are just removing the large markings and tail flashes according to the article.. Even fighters have markings, they just aren't huge. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 11:09:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war. Everybody knew we were going to get dragged into a global conflict back then...just like they do now. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 11:20:12 AM EST
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:04:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are not stripping the jets of all markings. they are just removing the large markings and tail flashes according to the article.. Even fighters have markings, they just aren't huge. Our jets are transitioning from full tail and ventral paint (squadron bird) to naked gray and no tail flash. It isn’t all at once but as needed paint jobs being done full subdued. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:11:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war. To be honest,the US and UK had been wargaming a Pacific conflict with Japan as the adversary for at least a decade prior to December 1941. We were still happy to sell them their steel and oil that whole time, of course |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:13:28 PM EST
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I have some photos somewhere of my squadron’s helicopters with no markings what so ever. It was an overt combat situation. It is not that unusual. Everyone knew who the fighter jets flying over watch and the B-52 above them belonged to. Later on they spray painted limited black marking on top of the flat dark green paint. You had to get real close to the aircraft to see the identification markings.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:16:36 PM EST
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Gotta get them ready when WHO takes over to drop the bombs on American soil.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:21:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war. The job of the Military is always to expect war. Prior to Pearl Harbor, We were certain the Japs were going to attack. We were reading their mail. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:23:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That, but tin foil saying they're planning some roundabout flights to Poland and trying for an incident. If they want Russia to shoot down a plane, they should be painting them in Korean or Malaysian Airlines livery. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:28:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Going to Ukraine duh.  Stop trying to outdo your other avatar, perfection was reached, just go with it. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:29:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not even close. The current Air Mobility Command CO, Gen. Mike Minihan said last year that war with China is coming sooner than we expect, and that his airmen should prepare by emptying magazines at the heads of their targets. He also said "When you can kill your enemy, every part of your life is better. Your food tastes better. Your marriage is stronger." Sounds to me like we need more like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hard to track units or numbers of aircraft without markings. Good idea but curious.. There might be something the bad guys could learn from knowing WHICH particular C-5 is coming and going somewhere, but it seems kind of left field to me. You could make the number of AC deployed to a particular location less obvious, but gee, somebody can just count them on the line with a pair of binos anyway. I'd think if you wanted to confuse them, paint a different tail number on every night. Then they'd think we have 87 C-5s instead of 12 maybe. I'm going with Biden appointed woke AF general doesn't want to trigger anyone reading UNITED STATES AIR FORCE and then them having to use a safe space chit to go and get a group hug. Not even close. The current Air Mobility Command CO, Gen. Mike Minihan said last year that war with China is coming sooner than we expect, and that his airmen should prepare by emptying magazines at the heads of their targets. He also said "When you can kill your enemy, every part of your life is better. Your food tastes better. Your marriage is stronger." Sounds to me like we need more like that. Remember when that came out. Grumpy "good, about fucking time" was my reaction. Was a bit surprised at the bluntness, then saddened that I was surprised. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:49:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember when that came out. Grumpy "good, about fucking time" was my reaction. Was a bit surprised at the bluntness, then saddened that I was surprised. He made the news but this actually the attitude of most of the USAF. Don’t be trapped by negative propaganda. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:51:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He made the news but this actually the attitude of most of the USAF. Don’t be trapped by negative propaganda. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remember when that came out. Grumpy "good, about fucking time" was my reaction. Was a bit surprised at the bluntness, then saddened that I was surprised. He made the news but this actually the attitude of most of the USAF. Don’t be trapped by negative propaganda. The more off-the wall the news gets, the more realistic I realize most people I know are. Which is good. And encourages people to look beyond the headlines. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:57:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Germans originally named their U-boats with consecutive numbers, until they realized that let the Allies know how many U-boats they had. They then started naming their U-boats in unrelated number blocks to prevent this. didn’t we do that with SF groups, ex: 10th, etc… |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 12:59:15 PM EST
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When I worked close to love field in Dallas, we'd fairly frequently see some P-3 orions that would depart and land. They had pretty much Zero markings. They were apparently involved in Sensor Testing. I think they've all gone to P-P-8's now, but i havent seen one of them take off or land yet.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 1:07:42 PM EST
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With Chicom spies passing over out borders freely, why make it easy for them to track military aircraft?
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Posted: 3/1/2023 1:31:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these threads. Tell us, C130’s in on it too? |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 3:04:28 PM EST
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Posted: 3/2/2023 4:02:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Paging Eugene Hasenfus. Eugene Hasenfus. Eugene Hasenfus to the White Courtesy Phone, please." 
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Posted: 3/2/2023 4:05:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:If they want Russia to shoot down a plane, they should be painting them in Korean or Malaysian Airlines livery.  
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Posted: 3/2/2023 1:51:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems it does not matter at this point, unless they turn off ADSB. I don’t know about the military but our aircraft had an FAA exemption to operate (CONUS) with it disabled. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 2:00:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know about the military but our aircraft had an FAA exemption to operate (CONUS) with it disabled. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems it does not matter at this point, unless they turn off ADSB. I don’t know about the military but our aircraft had an FAA exemption to operate (CONUS) with it disabled. What kind of organization are you working for? Don't want you to dox yourself, but you've alluded to a non-mil org doing mil type stuff a couple of times and I'm curious. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 2:09:21 PM EST
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I'd imagine it limits the ability to easily correlate a certain number of planes leaving one place and going to another.
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Posted: 3/2/2023 2:22:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these threads.  |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 3:49:02 PM EST
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So is it happening?
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Posted: 3/2/2023 4:05:13 PM EST
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Something is always happening.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:17:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not surprised. Been to Ramstein AFB lately? There are foreign assets monitoring and tracking our air traffic. We have foreign assets here doing that |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:43:27 PM EST
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And putting everything out there to see.... Aircraft and ICBM inventory, training hours, aircraft in service by type for the past 8 years, and aircraft mission capable rates for each model. https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/2021-usaf-ussf-almanac-equipment/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:49:38 PM EST
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It makes it easier to re home an aircraft without for example having to paint over the large letters..like AF etc.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:59:35 PM EST
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Quoted: https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/budget-policy-operations/usaf-mobility-aircraft-operating-without-most-markings-tail Paywalled article "For decades, airlift and tanker aircraft of the U.S. military have flown with a proud “U.S. AIR FORCE” painted on the side of the fuselage, along with markings indicating home units, tail numbers and oftentimes a tail flash showing the unit’s heritage. But that is no more for much of Air Mobility..." Twitter post with some greyed planes
Unmarked black helicopters of various types have been a thing with the Feds for decades, at least since the 1970s. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:27:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these threads. Ayup.  |
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