So brave

Weapon Works LLC claims to have been

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsR01fNJNkN/

Maybe they should arrest a known 4473 liar, like Hunter biden
Time to hit their site and buy something

You have no more rights and deserve everything you get because you signed up for a license to exercise your rights.  Sure thing there.  I hope that boot is tasty.

He would sue them and win in the court of law as well as public opinion, he is a thorn in Austin’s side but the cops like him as well as everyone else who isn’t a politician, hell even libs like him around here.  That dude is so squeaky clean you would need to use an electron microscope to find even the smallest atomic level dirt and even then the feds will walk away empty handed.  I have bought about 3 cans from him as well as bought numerous rifles and he is probably one of the best ffls in the Austin area and he runs a tight ship.  Everyone here should support this guy and listen to his podcasts called “come and talk it”.

Yup same guy who beat the atf/doj at the 5th circuit

Hope they are updating Congressman Matt Gaetz, as he is collecting this kind of data for Congress.

Attached File

Yes.  Same guy.  Cargil is a damn hero

Mike used to be a Democrat,  ran for district constable awhile back with campus carry as his main issue.  His own oarty tried to smear him.

That is some funny shit right there.

You'll get more if you use both hands.

FAILED EMPIRE!

Exactly, it’s illegal for them to craft a registry even if it’s defacto, but Congress won’t slap their dicks anymore.

I bet they copied each one for the illegal records registry they not allowed to have.

I just killed some time over there the other day. Glad I wasn't there for that s**tshow.

When my buddy (RIP) had his shop, he had his lawyer there for every audit. Don't know if that's common, but he didn't trust the feds.

Whether you or I believe the NFA, GCA68 and beyond are unconstitutional is completely irrelevant. The courts have said otherwise.

The fact of the matter is that every licensed gun dealer has voluntarily signed up to be part of the ATF's regulatory scheme. They filled out the form, got their fingertips printed, wrote out a check and asked the government's permission to sell guns. It's absolutely their choice to do so and the smart ones are not surprised when the ATF expects them to play along.

Or don't require a bunch of bullshit to exercise a constitutional right.

We should defund the ATF and eliminate the NFA.

Yes,
That is the same Gay Black Austin Gun Store owning "Cargill" who trashed the Trump Bumpstock Ban" in Court.

Mere Coincidence?  

Bigger_Hammer

Do you not understand the difference between an individual's right to keep and bear arms and a company's decision to participate in a regulated industry?

You have a right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the business down the street has to comply with laws that regulate his business does not negate your right to keep and bear arms. If you CHOOSE to acquire your guns through a licensed firearms dealer, that's your choice, but it's not your only choice. In most states, you can buy directly from individuals without getting caught up in the ATF regulations.

Good luck with that. Seriously, I wish you well. What are you doing to make that happen?

Boost business for gun stores. Post a sign that warns criminals, "Welcome, customers, our store has one of the highest BATF compliance rates in the state. Apply now!"

One of the worst takes I've ever seen in GD, and I'm not in the least surprised by who posted it.

Like it or not, every FFL is an arm of the ATF. I get that a lot of folks in GD (and maybe some FFLs) aren't willing to accept that, but it's a fact.

Don't like it? Don't be an FFL.

My CSB with an audit gone sideways.

I was in and out of the gun biz, gun smithing from 1980-1992. Ended up managing a large shop by those years standards. 1600..ish firearms in stock. Direct with HK, Remington, Browning, etc..
A shop in existence for over 30 years.
My guess is at least 30k+ 4473’s already on file. 87% in manual hand written bound books.

Heyday of the drug trade in south Florida. The Wild West it was !

We had ATF field agents in the shop every week at times.
Sometimes they were already following someone. Sometimes they would give a description and ask if we noticed them in the store, sometimes bring a photo line up, sometimes just hang out and bullshit.
We did the valuations for ATF confiscated firearms for them anyway so we already had a good working relationship and would interact with field agents every 3 months when they brought the box of confiscated firearms in for valuation.

So..skip to an audit.
ATF field agent comes in a few days before Miss unscheduled compliance officer shows up.
We track down a 6 year old 4473 trace for the field agent. He makes a copy and says for us to please leave the 4473 out and accessible as he thinks he will be coming back to take the original in a day or two.
We tack it up on the wall with a note to not file it "as per ATF" until the agent calls back or comes in.

Day 2 of audit.. little Miss auditor notices it, goes completely batshit over seeing it tacked on the wall. Threatening all manner of nonsense. Owner is out of town in Africa. The auditor is not listening to the explanation. She wants her pound of flesh. I tell her do what you think you have to but I’m done helping you. Shut us down or leave. I’m not putting up with your nonsense.

2 days later the senior Field agent from the Federal Building 3 blocks away comes in and says I got a call from compliance. Wow..that one is unhinged. You should have called me when it happened.
I ask him.. so where do we stand ?
His reply was. She will not be bothering you guys any more for at least the rest of the year. Probably never again. I told her to stay out of our investigations and our direct interactions with local FFL’s. It’s not in her back yard.
You did as we asked and all she had to do was make a note and give us a call to follow up. She chose drama and I’m the drama maker in this jurisdiction not her.
You guys are good to go. No issues.

Our relationship with ATF in those days was nothing like the stories I read about now days.

I don't think you understand what the word voluntary means.

The only voluntary action is whether they want to sell guns. All other parts of the process are involuntary. They cannot choose to sell new guns without a license, they cannot choose to not have the ATF audit them, they cannot choose to not pay licensing fee's, etc.

So no, they didn't volunteer to do anything. The government requires anyone who sells new guns to do these things. Guess what, if no one was willing to do these things, then we wouldn't be able to purchase new guns. We would be limited to whatever used guns already exist and would have to do private transactions.

See how your logic fails? It isn't much of a right if we can't actually purchase guns due to unbearable government regulations on sellers. It's just another roundabout way for the government to prevent us from keeping and bearing arms.

I get that you voted for this, but your statements are just a mealy mouthed justification for ATF using a coercive licensing practice to control lawful access to firearms for political purposes. It's not consistent with the Constitution.

It's a bad argument, because it doesn't address the issue.

Why are you here again?
You are familiar with the Constitution, right?

Specifically, the 2nd amendment.

Damn! I used to do business there.
They had some iffy employees but they seemed well-trained.

Guaranfuckingtee you they spelled it Ausitin

Mike is currently suing the FATF. This is retaliation.

This is all getting to be so tiresome. Over the years, dealers who were "high Volume" got special attention. Of those dealers who had a certain percentage of "crime guns" come back to them, THEY got special treatment. Then there was the used gun list. You were required to submit a list of used guns you bought every month. You know, so they can update their list. Personal favorites were the time under Clinton that EVERY dealer got an inspection with specific emphasis on "assault weapons" listed in a dealers books. To, from. Yes they illegally recorded this information. Yes. THey have gone to dealers and made a list of "high volume buyers". And they DID in fact conduct backgrounds on those folks they identified...you know, just looking. (No, I didn't like this part one little fucking bit but then again, as a retired LEO myself I understand "pro-active" because in this case, there ARE stupids out there that do this) Yes. They have in fact, as part of their Forward Trace efforts to assist in identifying crime guns, have digitized their out of business records. Yes. They have encouraged law enforcement to submit a tracing request on EVERY firearm that comes into their possession. Purely voluntary. Yes. They still receive and coordinate NIBIN data. And yeah, when they were "ordered" to ban certain "accessories"...they did.

So it's not a surprise when they were ordered to "crack down" on dealers....they did. Which is what's going on here. As a matter of fact, ALL of these activities are quite normal and within the scope of their agency mandate. But it doesn't excuse the fact that these days there is some disconnect between these government agencies. None of us are blind and we see the actions of these agencies, not just the atf. All I will say is they need to DO their jobs. According to law. Follow their oath. Stop being political tools.

Yes. ATF has some of the same retarded fucktards every other damned agency in the Country has. Thank your lucky stars or bow to the east or whatever whichaway your Deity resides and say a thank you because THOSE people are far in the minority. Yeah. THOSE types make it hard on the rest of us when they do something stupid.

In my experience, my own contact with the agency has been mostly positive. From what I've read these threads are a result of those policies ultimately the responsibility of some addled-ignorant old fuck that lives in a big white house on the potomac. Allegedly. Elections have consequences. Threads like this are IMPORTANT to know what's going on and pay attention and record what these minions of the state are doing so EVERYBODY can see. Don't let them get away with a damned thing.

I would be remiss in not posting a link to one of my favorite Star Trek TOS episodes to honor our hard working Brothers & Sisters for simply doing their jobs in the Service Of The State. Totally tongue-in-cheek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gXIIsipi84

Grow up.

The current ATF regulatory scheme has survived multiple constitutional challenges. Until the Supreme Court says otherwise, the nation's gun laws do not violate the 2nd Amendment. They may violate YOUR interpretation of the Constitution, but neither your nor my opinion counts for shit. Nobody who matters cares what you or I think. The only thing that matters is what those nine robed men and women think. Yes, they've scaled things back a bit with recent decisions but they have not tossed out the entire set of federal gun laws. So, no, they are not unconstitutonal.

Comment of the year, here.

Shit rolls downhill.  Who was president from 1980-1992?  Who is president now?

It's all unconstitutional as fuck. Fuck the ATF

That's something I like about Buckshot_Jim

Few Words,  but POWERFUL Words!

F the BATFE!

BIGGER_Hammer