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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:14:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
…for making really cool shit that works well.
My friend got his ship notice tonight. If you come to the Appalachian Apocalypse in a week we will have one to check out! I have a Rattler 640. I can tell you this, I will get one of these as well having already played with one this past winter.  Attached File |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:16:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Sweet
What’s the specs on this one? |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:16:51 PM EDT
[#2]
They need to get the IRIS to the market fucking soon. I’m growing impatient.
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:28:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _Matt_: Sweet What’s the specs on this one? It’s 256. But I am fine with that as it is for more close in. My rattler is magnified and it’s a pain up close. This one has some neat features and while it is clunky compared to a red dot…it is small compared to a thermal. Holosun |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:30:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Bottom window is thermal? Top is a micro red dot?
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:34:20 PM EDT
[#5]
you bastards are going to make me buy my first holosun
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:38:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: Bottom window is thermal? Top is a micro red dot? The top lens is the thermal sensor. You only look through the main window. This optic can be used as a red dot without thermal or you can overlay the red dot with thermal in various modes including a cool outline. What I think is awesome is its usability as home or farm defense weapon day or night, same optic and same rifle. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: It’s 256. But I am fine with that as it is for more close in. My rattler is magnified and it’s a pain up close. This one has some neat features and while it is clunky compared to a red dot…it is small compared to a thermal. Holosun Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: Originally Posted By _Matt_: Sweet What’s the specs on this one? It’s 256. But I am fine with that as it is for more close in. My rattler is magnified and it’s a pain up close. This one has some neat features and while it is clunky compared to a red dot…it is small compared to a thermal. Holosun Welllllll....that's really fuckin cool. That seems wild to get into thermal at that price. Red dot + thermal sounds tightAF. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:42:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: The top lens is the thermal sensor. You only look through the main window. This optic can be used as a red dot without thermal or you can overlay the red dot with thermal in various modes including a cool outline. What I think is awesome is its usability as home or farm defense weapon day or night, same optic and same rifle. Pretty epic. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:42:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: Bottom window is thermal? Top is a micro red dot?  The Holosun Thermal/Red Dot Hybrid | A Revolutionary Optic? |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:45:04 PM EDT
[#10]
Making me want one.
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:45:37 PM EDT
[#11]
How long does the battery last?
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:45:54 PM EDT
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I'm very interested in one of those, can't wait for the reviews
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:46:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2JokersWild: Its long but he breaks it down pretty well. Worth it? Eh....Thats up to the user but I can definitely see strong use cases for it  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSa1xVMLw50Two minutes for me and I knew it was worth it. Hell I will probably buy the demo we will have at the event. My friends shop will have eight which will be on sale that weekend…damnit, I just bought an M1 Carbine. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:47:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: How long does the battery last? “Up to 10 hours of battery runtime for the thermal sensor and over 50,000 hours of runtime for your red dot gives users an optic that can keep up with the most demanding tasks.” “If thermal isn't needed for the task, simply flip down the front lens cap and use the DRS-TH just as you would any of our traditional red dot optics giving you the best of both worlds.” |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:52:38 PM EDT
[#15]
Gimmicky, not that useful. Looks great at SHOT, but out in the field not so much.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:52:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: Two minutes for me and I knew it was worth it. Hell I will probably buy the demo we will have at the event. My friends shop will have eight which will be on sale that weekend…damnit, I just bought an M1 Carbine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: Its long but he breaks it down pretty well. Worth it? Eh....Thats up to the user but I can definitely see strong use cases for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSa1xVMLw50Two minutes for me and I knew it was worth it. Hell I will probably buy the demo we will have at the event. My friends shop will have eight which will be on sale that weekend…damnit, I just bought an M1 Carbine. What are you putting it on? Looks like it might be good on a suppressed 9mm pcc |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:52:49 PM EDT
[#17]
When you ignore patent law and only pay the tiniest fraction what others do for R&D,... you can make some pretty cheap and decent stuff.
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:54:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _Matt_: What are you putting it on? Looks like it might be good on a suppressed 9mm pcc Maybe a 8.5”.300. Suppressed. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl: When you ignore patent law and only pay the tiniest fraction what others do for R&D,... you can make some pretty cheap and decent stuff. "Oh well.." The US market has been asking for more affordable versions of both thermal and NV for YEARs and it's fallen on deaf ears. This is what happens when you ignore a massive segment of the market; someone else swoops in. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:58:31 PM EDT
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The thing that makes me pause on this, and other thermal red dots like the Sig one, is that thermal is for detection and I2 or white light is for identification.
A buddy in FL has bought and sold a few Sig thermal RDS thingies, and I goofed around with one a couple years back, and I just didn’t see the appeal. The low resolution and small FOV make me think swinging a gun around with this on top to detect is suboptimal. And once you detect something the low resolution is going to make shoot/no shoot tough. May as well use a legit 1x thermal scope for night time chicken defense….or not. I’m interested to see your take on it, OP. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl: When you ignore patent law and only pay the tiniest fraction what others do for R&D,... you can make some pretty cheap and decent stuff. Meaning we better be thankful Holosun decided to take our money, because it just aint green enough for most of the others. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: The thing that makes me pause on this, and other thermal red dots like the Sig one, is that thermal is for detection and I2 or white light is for identification. A buddy in FL has bought and sold a few Sig thermal RDS thingies, and I goofed around with one a couple years back, and I just didn’t see the appeal. The low resolution and small FOV make me think swinging a gun around with this on top to detect is suboptimal. And once you detect something the low resolution is going to make shoot/no shoot tough. May as well use a legit 1x thermal scope for night time chicken defense….or not. I’m interested to see your take on it, OP. The resolution was fine for the 200’ I used it in and I think this is probably best at 150 yards or so. But I didn’t find the field of view small. However, in a week I will have spent much more time with it along with 70 other ARFcommers so we can likely have a decent baseline of opinions. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:04:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WDEagle]
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMAP is $1600 which is what they will be at my friends shop…maybe less that weekend ;) |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:07:54 PM EDT
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Didn't they announce two versions of the thermal unit at SHOT with one having a better thermal detector called the PRO?
Could not find any info on it. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: Didn't they announce two versions of the thermal unit at SHOT with one having a better thermal detector called the PRO? Could not find any info on it. I am unaware of this and the rep didn’t mention it. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:10:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m200maker]
[#27]
Digital?… what’s the delay like for a moving object?
Digital in the past has been garbage. I’m not bagging on Holosun I own quite a few. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:10:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m200maker: Digital?… what’s the delay like for a moving object? Digital in the past has been garbage. We will put it to the test during the NV and thermal trials. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:11:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: The top lens is the thermal sensor. You only look through the main window. This optic can be used as a red dot without thermal or you can overlay the red dot with thermal in various modes including a cool outline. What I think is awesome is its usability as home or farm defense weapon day or night, same optic and same rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: Originally Posted By Norsk: Bottom window is thermal? Top is a micro red dot? The top lens is the thermal sensor. You only look through the main window. This optic can be used as a red dot without thermal or you can overlay the red dot with thermal in various modes including a cool outline. What I think is awesome is its usability as home or farm defense weapon day or night, same optic and same rifle. My 8.2” 300blk will probably end up with one of these for exactly that purpose. It currently has a Ta33/507. This seems awesome for the price at the ranges I would use it. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:16:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m200maker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: We will put it to the test during the NV and thermal trials. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: Originally Posted By m200maker: Digital?… what’s the delay like for a moving object? Digital in the past has been garbage. We will put it to the test during the NV and thermal trials. I’m seriously interested especially before I throw down almost 2k. As I updated my original reply. I’m not bagging on Holosun. I have quite a few of their dots and like a couple of them a lot. They make great dots. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:19:43 PM EDT
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This was originally developed for the Chinese po-po.
Their laser and IR illuminator model was made for the Chinese Armed po-po. Either way, both have probably tested on Muzzies beheaders in their western desert region and southern jungle. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:21:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m200maker: Digital?… what’s the delay like for a moving object? Digital in the past has been garbage. I’m not bagging on Holosun I own quite a few. Says it is 50 frames per sec on the specs. The thermal scopes I and others have are also 50 fps and they work fine on the incoming predators. If you plan on shooting things that will be hauling ass side to side you may get some lag. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:26:53 PM EDT
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I'm excited for it to get out there so I can here some feedback on it. If it's worth it, I'll probably get one for my chicken coop defense rifle.
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:29:22 PM EDT
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I hate being poor.
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:31:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GAcop: I hate being poor. If you saw the military firearms I sold to buy my NV and thermal you would weep…it was worth every penny. I will sell everything I own down to a single pistol and AR before I get rid of my thermal. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:35:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stryfe]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GAcop: I hate being poor. Isn't...Isn't this thermal for poors? Isn't that the appeal? |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:37:29 PM EDT
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Does anyone know the estimated detection range on a 50+ pound mammal?
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:38:47 PM EDT
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Interesting. I'll probably wait for V.2. But they sure would make sense on a shortie 300blk.
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:38:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bravo_Six: Does anyone know the estimated detection range on a 50+ pound mammal? We will find out in a week. We will also see if it can defeat thermal netting. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:39:16 PM EDT
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I want for suppressed MP5 night missions.
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:43:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobra-Commander: They need to get the IRIS to the market fucking soon. I’m growing impatient. THIS!!!! I NEED an IR laser bad. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:46:40 PM EDT
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Was surprised with the image quality and how intuitive they were at the NRA show
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:49:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NotIssued]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: The thing that makes me pause on this, and other thermal red dots like the Sig one, is that thermal is for detection and I2 or white light is for identification. A buddy in FL has bought and sold a few Sig thermal RDS thingies, and I goofed around with one a couple years back, and I just didn’t see the appeal. The low resolution and small FOV make me think swinging a gun around with this on top to detect is suboptimal. And once you detect something the low resolution is going to make shoot/no shoot tough. May as well use a legit 1x thermal scope for night time chicken defense….or not. I’m interested to see your take on it, OP. Low res is probably fine for most people. Let's say I put it on my HD gun. At 2am if there's a human shape, it shouldn't be there. If my kids are spending the night, if it's an adult human shape, it shouldn't be there. If I'm out at 5am walking to the deer stand it would be nice to see what rustle over yonder (I mean, I have a pvs-14, but you get my point). Sure you aren't capping pigs at 500 yards, but it's the wrong tool for the job. Hopefully this spurs some local, on the board, companies to make a competitor. Cuz I'm not a huge Holosun fan, but this might make me. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 9:56:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m200maker: Digital?… what’s the delay like for a moving object? Digital in the past has been garbage. I’m not bagging on Holosun I own quite a few. All thermal is digital 50hz spec should be fine in real world use |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 10:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotIssued: Low res is probably fine for most people. Let's say I put it on my HD gun. At 2am if there's a human shape, it shouldn't be there. If my kids are spending the night, if it's an adult human shape, it shouldn't be there. If I'm out at 5am walking to the deer stand it would be nice to see what rustle over yonder (I mean, I have a pvs-14, but you get my point). Sure you aren't capping pigs at 500 yards, but it's the wrong tool for the job. Hopefully this spurs some local, on the board, companies to make a competitor. Cuz I'm not a huge Holosun fan, but this might make me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotIssued: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: The thing that makes me pause on this, and other thermal red dots like the Sig one, is that thermal is for detection and I2 or white light is for identification. A buddy in FL has bought and sold a few Sig thermal RDS thingies, and I goofed around with one a couple years back, and I just didn’t see the appeal. The low resolution and small FOV make me think swinging a gun around with this on top to detect is suboptimal. And once you detect something the low resolution is going to make shoot/no shoot tough. May as well use a legit 1x thermal scope for night time chicken defense….or not. I’m interested to see your take on it, OP. Low res is probably fine for most people. Let's say I put it on my HD gun. At 2am if there's a human shape, it shouldn't be there. If my kids are spending the night, if it's an adult human shape, it shouldn't be there. If I'm out at 5am walking to the deer stand it would be nice to see what rustle over yonder (I mean, I have a pvs-14, but you get my point). Sure you aren't capping pigs at 500 yards, but it's the wrong tool for the job. Hopefully this spurs some local, on the board, companies to make a competitor. Cuz I'm not a huge Holosun fan, but this might make me. You can definitely get good low resolution thermal for less, but how this is implemented is very interesting |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 10:03:24 PM EDT
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Unrelated but can someone bum me $2000?
I’m good for it but promise not to pay it back. 
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Posted: 9/25/2024 10:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: The top lens is the thermal sensor. You only look through the main window. This optic can be used as a red dot without thermal or you can overlay the red dot with thermal in various modes including a cool outline. What I think is awesome is its usability as home or farm defense weapon day or night, same optic and same rifle. Fuck, that does sound useful. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 10:26:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CTM1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: I am unaware of this and the rep didn’t mention it. Ok it was mentioned in the Firearmblog from SHOT 2023 as prototypes. It said the PRO was to have a sensor resolution of 384×288. They have re-named the units since it was announced at SHOT 23. Perhaps the the PRO version was dropped or possibly in the works for a later release.  " />https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/17/shot-show-2023-holosuns-promising-thermal-night-vision-hybrid-red-dots/ |
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Posted: 9/26/2024 4:03:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2JokersWild: When your domestic options dont give a flying rats ass about the consumer market and just gargle the .gov's balls you'll get importers that are happy to fill that void. Meaning we better be thankful Holosun decided to take our money, because it just aint green enough for most of the others. Ayup! |
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