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Posted: 9/30/2021 10:35:17 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am so fucking stealing that one. Please do. And let me know if you can figure out how to get something like "licking" in there after D without making it sound stupid. Because everyone knows that you need one letter per word. |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 10:35:59 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn! You old. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 16Mb/s Token Ring master race checking in! So glad I don’t have to tell people to go get the phaser for their MSAU anymore. Damn! You old. Hey. Got any spare dongles? |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 10:37:47 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like he needs Elon to open up subscriptions at his latitude. I have a pre order in. Still says mid to late 2021 for service in our area.  The second I get my Starlink system installed, I'm going to call HugesNet and tell them to take their fucking dish and shove it right up their asses. 
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Posted: 9/30/2021 10:39:12 PM EDT
[#4]
So you're saying my first modem that was a 110 baud converted teletype model won't work nowdays? Hmmm
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Posted: 9/30/2021 10:48:23 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm wiring my trailer with 6a solid core in a couple weeks.
 So I'll only be mostly behind the times instead of all the way. 
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Posted: 9/30/2021 10:51:32 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10k/mo each? Maybe less. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just had to quote out 24 x 100G internet circuits for a customer. 10k/mo each? Maybe less. Try quoting a rural area, a 10Mb circuit might cost thousands per month! The ISPs get billions in every fake infrastructure bill for “rural high speed internet” and it is fake as shit. They spend about $500 of it on rural infrastructure and the rest goes straight into their coffers and stock buy backs. Fuck ISPs. |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 10:52:52 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're saying my first modem that was a 110 baud converted teletype model won't work nowdays? Hmmm If it was straight circuit switched network or copper…it would work. |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 10:54:46 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try quoting a rural area, a 10Mb circuit might cost thousands per month! The ISPs get billions in every fake infrastructure bill for “rural high speed internet” and it is fake as shit. They spend about $500 of it on rural infrastructure and the rest goes straight into their coffers and stock buy backs. Fuck ISPs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just had to quote out 24 x 100G internet circuits for a customer. 10k/mo each? Maybe less. Try quoting a rural area, a 10Mb circuit might cost thousands per month! The ISPs get billions in every fake infrastructure bill for “rural high speed internet” and it is fake as shit. They spend about $500 of it on rural infrastructure and the rest goes straight into their coffers and stock buy backs. Fuck ISPs. Did you not read my OP where we forklift replace all network gear every 5 years? |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 11:03:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try quoting a rural area, a 10Mb circuit might cost thousands per month! The ISPs get billions in every fake infrastructure bill for "rural high speed internet" and it is fake as shit. They spend about $500 of it on rural infrastructure and the rest goes straight into their coffers and stock buy backs. Fuck ISPs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just had to quote out 24 x 100G internet circuits for a customer. 10k/mo each? Maybe less. Try quoting a rural area, a 10Mb circuit might cost thousands per month! The ISPs get billions in every fake infrastructure bill for "rural high speed internet" and it is fake as shit. They spend about $500 of it on rural infrastructure and the rest goes straight into their coffers and stock buy backs. Fuck ISPs. Some of that has to do with your location. You have some of the toughest geography and geology around, and then to make matter's worse you have tons of government and tribal land that is very expensive to cross/work-around. |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 11:05:32 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10/100 is all you'll ever need. You misspelled 1200 baud. |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 11:05:50 PM EDT
[#11]
I remember yanking out some proprietary AT&T stuff that ran @ a whopping 1Mb in like ‘96 or ‘97.
Still better than explaining why you’re only going to see eight nodes at a time - using Farallon Apple/LocalTalk to Ethernet bridges… Now rolling out with 400Gb & RoCE for storage. |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 11:08:24 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember yanking out some proprietary AT&T stuff that ran @ a whopping 1Mb in like ‘96 or ‘97. Still better than explaining why you’re only going to see eight nodes at a time - using Farallon Apple/LocalTalk to Ethernet bridges… Now rolling out with 400Gb & RoCE for storage. I member those AppleTalk bridges. Eww. I mean. Eww…stinky. So stinky. Member bridges that actually booted from a floppy disk? |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 11:18:19 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of that has to do with your location. You have some of the toughest geography and geology around, and then to make matter's worse you have tons of government and tribal land that is very expensive to cross/work-around. Yep, I deal with it every day of my life. Some make it harder for themselves than necessary, particularly in the tribal areas but then the ISP quotes insanely low bandwidth at beyond insane prices while getting hand outs from every .GOV agency there is. CDC? Check! HHS? Check! FCC? Check! Dept. of Commerce? Check! VA? Check! I could go on and yes I understand the forklift as well. In Maine, look up the 3 Ring Binder scam. At least there some ISP taking public money got sued into permitting subscriptions of the dark fiber they put down but NOT until sued and sued. I worked on that as well (Provisioning side) and finally got broadband to a few desperate rural communities here and there. This is the norm though, across America. Thank God for Starlink. We got this…thanks to Elon’s investments and exploration. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 4:20:40 AM EDT
[#14]
Still have a box of BNC teriminators T's and connctors.. Really oughta shitcan em one of these days.
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Posted: 10/1/2021 5:28:57 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And saying "no, you can't do that" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Security sounds interesting, i imagine I'd need to go back to school though. Every infosec guy we’ve had just forwards warning notices from subscription mailing lists.  And saying "no, you can't do that" Sounds like a great job. I'm thinking of moving departments. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 5:31:17 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember bonding two ISDN lines with a cisco router to get 256k and thinking it was the coolest thing anyone had tried. Then it happened...I had access to a full T1 line. It was like being the internet...and now....today...just plain stupid capacity. I remember when you could be on a dial up modem attached to an ISDN, get a phone call, it would drop one leg of the ISDN connection for the phone call, then pick it back up when you were done. We thought that was so cool. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 7:50:13 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gov networks, especially state run, are the worst. Because not only do they pay bottom barrel for network architects, they think they know how to build networks. The worst networks I've ever seen are public sector. So much so I refuse to deal with them. What's crazy is the state ran all the fiber (they can do it, they're gov) and won't pay for competent people or gear to use it. NOPE |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 8:58:28 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been there, done that and... Thinnet Thicknet Arcnet TCNS DEC Asynchronous terminal DDS T1 T3 ISDN BRI and S/T It's amazing how much transmission technology has changed over the years. Troubleshooting sure is much easier now, but I still get stuck working on legacy stuff every once in a while. my man when i started studying for my CCIE, they still had apple talk and banyon vines and decnet on the test. it was on the first written i took, but they had just taken it off the lab. i did still have frame relay on the lab. i had a job in the mid 90s where i supported x25 pad stuff in college in 1990, i managed an 80 station IBM Baseband network, with a server running netware v1 i pretty much made a living converting Fortune 500 from frame relay to MPLS, then SD-WAN |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 9:39:20 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy working at the Apple Store- You will never fill up a 1000Mb drive. I was the first kid on the block in my area to have 32 mbRAM! Ahh... the good ol days! |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 5:15:52 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was the first kid on the block in my area to have 32 mbRAM! Ahh... the good ol days! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guy working at the Apple Store- You will never fill up a 1000Mb drive. I was the first kid on the block in my area to have 32 mbRAM! Ahh... the good ol days! They were right when you were downloading nudie pics at 14.4 Kbps. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 5:22:22 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They were right when you were downloading nudie pics at 14.4 Kbps. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guy working at the Apple Store- You will never fill up a 1000Mb drive. I was the first kid on the block in my area to have 32 mbRAM! Ahh... the good ol days! They were right when you were downloading nudie pics at 14.4 Kbps. And now we have 4K porn on our phone. On demand. Over the air/cellular. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 5:38:58 PM EDT
[#22]
I know of a large company that has a specific image setup for network technician PCs just so they can run a VM with Win 7 to run old non-win10 compatible software for some hardware they support. Some of that hardware is ancient but they are kicking that can as far as it will go.
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Posted: 10/1/2021 6:01:50 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know of a large company that has a specific image setup for network technician PCs just so they can run a VM with Win 7 to run old non-win10 compatible software for some hardware they support. Some of that hardware is ancient but they are kicking that can as far as it will go. Umm…networking isn’t about windows or hosts. It’s about delivering packets. I give zero fucks about the host operating system. And god damn server pukes have zero clue how to set up a bond or nic teaming interface. Server pukes are imho the most stupid people there are. You need to run LACP to create a bond on your 500k server, I’m presenting you 4 25 gig connections. Bond them together in your OS as a single nic with LACP, and don’t do fast start” “What is lacp and what is nic teaming/bond” Fucking server pukes. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 7:23:18 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The local telco will be happy to trench fiber anywhere you like... Not mine. Well they would for the right amount of $$$ but I know the guys who would actually do the work and they wouldnt be happy about it. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 7:35:08 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 64k baud rate is all you need  My first modem was a blazing 1200 baud. I remember having a pair of 9600 baud modems in the office that we kept to ourselves (on call dialing in from home). The DDN connections we used were about 4800 baud if I remember correctly. Our pair of VAX 11/785’s was rocking the DoD world! |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 7:38:05 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ummnetworking isn't about windows or hosts. It's about delivering packets. I give zero fucks about the host operating system. And god damn server pukes have zero clue how to set up a bond or nic teaming interface. Server pukes are imho the most stupid people there are. You need to run LACP to create a bond on your 500k server, I'm presenting you 4 25 gig connections. Bond them together in your OS as a single nic with LACP, and don't do fast start" "What is lacp and what is nic teaming/bond" Fucking server pukes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know of a large company that has a specific image setup for network technician PCs just so they can run a VM with Win 7 to run old non-win10 compatible software for some hardware they support. Some of that hardware is ancient but they are kicking that can as far as it will go. Ummnetworking isn't about windows or hosts. It's about delivering packets. I give zero fucks about the host operating system. And god damn server pukes have zero clue how to set up a bond or nic teaming interface. Server pukes are imho the most stupid people there are. You need to run LACP to create a bond on your 500k server, I'm presenting you 4 25 gig connections. Bond them together in your OS as a single nic with LACP, and don't do fast start" "What is lacp and what is nic teaming/bond" Fucking server pukes. He's talking about having to run old OS's to run the command and control software for the outdated networking gear. We have to do it too. 
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Posted: 10/1/2021 8:29:07 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's talking about having to run old OS's to run the command and control software for the outdated networking gear. We have to do it too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know of a large company that has a specific image setup for network technician PCs just so they can run a VM with Win 7 to run old non-win10 compatible software for some hardware they support. Some of that hardware is ancient but they are kicking that can as far as it will go. Ummnetworking isn't about windows or hosts. It's about delivering packets. I give zero fucks about the host operating system. And god damn server pukes have zero clue how to set up a bond or nic teaming interface. Server pukes are imho the most stupid people there are. You need to run LACP to create a bond on your 500k server, I'm presenting you 4 25 gig connections. Bond them together in your OS as a single nic with LACP, and don't do fast start" "What is lacp and what is nic teaming/bond" Fucking server pukes. He's talking about having to run old OS's to run the command and control software for the outdated networking gear. We have to do it too. Well then see my OP. 5 years old and it’s dead technology. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 10:02:41 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well then see my OP. 5 years old and it's dead technology. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know of a large company that has a specific image setup for network technician PCs just so they can run a VM with Win 7 to run old non-win10 compatible software for some hardware they support. Some of that hardware is ancient but they are kicking that can as far as it will go. Ummnetworking isn't about windows or hosts. It's about delivering packets. I give zero fucks about the host operating system. And god damn server pukes have zero clue how to set up a bond or nic teaming interface. Server pukes are imho the most stupid people there are. You need to run LACP to create a bond on your 500k server, I'm presenting you 4 25 gig connections. Bond them together in your OS as a single nic with LACP, and don't do fast start" "What is lacp and what is nic teaming/bond" Fucking server pukes. He's talking about having to run old OS's to run the command and control software for the outdated networking gear. We have to do it too. Well then see my OP. 5 years old and it's dead technology. No doubt. I'm jealous of you guys that get to purge constantly. I will occasionally find gear that has been in service nearly as long as I've been alive. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 10:04:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Nerd thread?
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Posted: 10/1/2021 11:11:02 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They were right when you were downloading nudie pics at 14.4 Kbps. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guy working at the Apple Store- You will never fill up a 1000Mb drive. I was the first kid on the block in my area to have 32 mbRAM! Ahh... the good ol days! They were right when you were downloading nudie pics at 14.4 Kbps. I knew a kid in high school that somehow managed to build a 5GB porn collection with 28.8kbps dialup. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 11:18:48 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember back in the 90s when a classmate said it was ridiculous to need 768 MB RAM. Even at that time I was like "bro, do you history?" Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember back in the 90s when a classmate said it was ridiculous to need 768 MB RAM. Even at that time I was like "bro, do you history?" "I think there's a world ETA: Thomas Watson, president of IBM, 1943 Now I'm just an average person and have at least 7 laptops in various places around my house. Quoted: I knew a kid in high school that somehow managed to build a 5GB porn collection with 28.8kbps dialup. I had a BIG collection on dialup. Downloading pretty much 100% of the time
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Posted: 10/1/2021 11:32:21 PM EDT
[#32]
Just decommissioned a stand-alone system we set up 18months ago. I assumed we would reuse/redistribute the gear back into our company infrastructure and reached out to our IT guys with an inventory... nope... no interest at all... we e-wasted it all.
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Posted: 10/2/2021 12:06:34 AM EDT
[#33]
And I design and build networks using all that really nice five year old hardware for SMB customers who are tickled pink they can have a fantastic network for 1/10 the original cost.
I just bought eight Cisco switches for a client that are still manufactured and cost $8700 each (really!) new for $750 per. Real Cisco quality and features for less than Netgear (shudder). I love the secondary market! |
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Posted: 10/2/2021 12:11:25 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a pre order in. Still says mid to late 2021 for service in our area. The second I get my Starlink system installed, I'm going to call HugesNet and tell them to take their fucking dish and shove it right up their asses. I have a client that’s in the sticks. Like really out there. They just went on Starlink and I’m very impressed with the latency. It’s like it’s not satellite AT ALL. My only bitch is they don’t do bridge mode so the client router has to be double NAT and IPSEC VPN can be tricky but we got it working and they are very happy. Legacy geostationary latency is almost unbearable. |
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Posted: 10/2/2021 12:15:16 AM EDT
[#35]
Please do not touch superman's private areas.
I'm just a lowly UC engineer, we have hundreds of video and voice calls running over 1 gig. At the same time having to tell customers their T1 isn't fast enough for multiple video calls in 2021 is fun. I actually turned down 1 gig at the house. Figured out I can't saturate that connection often enough to warrant paying for it. |
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Posted: 10/2/2021 12:19:19 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a client that’s in the sticks. Like really out there. They just went on Starlink and I’m very impressed with the latency. It’s like it’s not satellite AT ALL. In Oklahoma, I assume? If so, would you mind PMing me their general location? I'm just curious how close they are to us and when we might be seeing service. |
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Posted: 10/2/2021 12:45:56 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nerd thread? |
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Posted: 10/2/2021 10:00:27 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please do not touch superman's private areas. I'm just a lowly UC engineer, we have hundreds of video and voice calls running over 1 gig. At the same time having to tell customers their T1 isn't fast enough for multiple video calls in 2021 is fun. I actually turned down 1 gig at the house. Figured out I can't saturate that connection often enough to warrant paying for it. T1’s are the bane of my existence. Which is funny in that a long time ago, I was happy as fuck when they were implemented and replaced the fractional lines. Getting tired of getting network performance calls following every second Tuesday of the month. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 5:33:29 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We send all of our old equipment to a recycler. They come pick it up every so often. Depending on pricing sometimes we pay for it and other times they pay us a negligible amount. They still profit either way. Funny story: I used to be in management at a large Army R&D facility. They kept detailed property book records on everything and put bar codes on everything. A high up lady was retiring and they did a property audit on all her stuff. LOTS of it over the years had been purchased by her department, had come in assigned to her, and she just handed it to her employees without getting them to sign a sub-hand receipt. So it was still officially her property. I'm talking about tons of old monitors, laptops, desktop PCs, external hard drives, scanners, printers, etc. Some of it was 15 years old and probably got tossed in a dumpster (or stolen) years earlier. The Commander assigned me to do a formal "Report of Survey" on it and recommend actions. The Army Regulation was very clear: 1. ADPE property could NEVER be depreciated below 50% of it's purchase price. 2. The person to whom property was officially assigned was personally financially liable for the (depreciated) book value of any missing item. I (sadly) wrote the "Report of Survey" up per the regulations and recommended that she be forced to pay something like $45,000. If she didn't pay it, they were supposed to take it out of her retirement. I never was told what the final outcome was, but I am SURE they didn't make her pay for it. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 5:44:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2021 5:48:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Should I replace my 12 year old router?
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Posted: 10/7/2021 5:52:32 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10/100 is all you'll ever need. 56K is all you'll ever need.
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Posted: 10/7/2021 6:13:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try quoting a rural area, a 10Mb circuit might cost thousands per month! The ISPs get billions in every fake infrastructure bill for “rural high speed internet” and it is fake as shit. They spend about $500 of it on rural infrastructure and the rest goes straight into their coffers and stock buy backs. Fuck ISPs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just had to quote out 24 x 100G internet circuits for a customer. 10k/mo each? Maybe less. Try quoting a rural area, a 10Mb circuit might cost thousands per month! The ISPs get billions in every fake infrastructure bill for “rural high speed internet” and it is fake as shit. They spend about $500 of it on rural infrastructure and the rest goes straight into their coffers and stock buy backs. Fuck ISPs. Depends on where you’re at. I live in fuckall nowhere and can get gig to the door for $100. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 6:54:28 PM EDT
[#44]
This whole shift to cloud based services concerns me.
Too easy to shut down remotely |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 7:04:44 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This whole shift to cloud based services concerns me. Too easy to shut down remotely Did you hear Facebook removed their dns name servers from the internet? Routing mistake. 7 hour outage. He who controls dns, controls the intarweb. Member when FBHO handed over ICANN outside our control? I member. |
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Posted: 10/8/2021 11:36:04 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still have a box of BNC teriminators T's and connctors.. Really oughta shitcan em one of these days. I still use all of that shit. One man's trash...
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Posted: 10/8/2021 11:39:07 AM EDT
[#47]
"Back in my day"
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Posted: 10/8/2021 11:39:24 AM EDT
[#48]
Maybe you’re ripping it out. I know of several Catalyst switches that have clocked 12+ year uptimes.
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Posted: 10/8/2021 11:53:11 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you’re ripping it out. I know of several Catalyst switches that have clocked 12+ year uptimes. I just replaced some things that ran for over 20 with zero downtime (if you don't include a redundant side failure). |
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Posted: 10/8/2021 1:20:11 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you’re ripping it out. I know of several Catalyst switches that have clocked 12+ year uptimes. We rip and replace because the gear is near end of support and we’ve abandoned that platform. All part of life cycle mgmt In other words we always have large upgrade projects going on. Constantly. It never ends. |
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