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Posted: 5/21/2021 9:22:11 PM EDT
[#1]
It’s scary how quickly I went from that New M4 looks wank to that new M4 is awesome
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Posted: 5/21/2021 9:27:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another stupid thing l noticed with new cars and trucks is the headlight turning off when the turn signal is activated on the Same side WTF would they make a headlight turn off when turning? So you can actually see the blinker., blinking |
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Posted: 5/21/2021 9:31:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOld? LOL. My old one is cool.  Attached FileAs for grilles, the Lexus LX570 is like the final boss for grilles.  Attached File...buy my F-threefiddy wins for name badging. Fucking Ford logo is the size of a banquet serving platter.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/21/2021 9:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s scary how quickly I went from that New M4 looks wank to that new M4 is awesome I saw one in the flesh in a dark color. It really toned down the obnoxious kidney grills. I’ll have to see it in a bright color to make the final judgment though. Still a bad ass car either way. |
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Posted: 5/21/2021 9:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As for grilles, the Lexus LX570 is like the final boss for grilles. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/2021-Lexus-LX_jpg-1950982.JPG Yeah.. the final boss of Toy Story.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/21/2021 9:46:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s scary how quickly I went from that New M4 looks wank to that new M4 is awesome I hope that never happens to me. 
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Posted: 5/21/2021 9:50:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2021 12:02:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1992 was minimum grill... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Ford_Probe_GT_I.JPG 2021... https://www.jmlexus.com/assets/shared/CustomHTMLFiles/Responsive/MRP/Lexus/2021/LC/images/2021-Lexus-LC-01.jpg The madness needs to end. I lost my virginity in the back seat of a Probe like that... 
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Posted: 5/22/2021 3:29:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another stupid thing l noticed with new cars and trucks is the headlight turning off when the turn signal is activated on the Same side WTF would they make a headlight turn off when turning? Probably already answered but here is my guess. Because headlights are super bright these days and you can't see the blinker in the front if the headlights are on. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 4:44:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw one in the flesh in a dark color. It really toned down the obnoxious kidney grills. I’ll have to see it in a bright color to make the final judgment though. Still a bad ass car either way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s scary how quickly I went from that New M4 looks wank to that new M4 is awesome I saw one in the flesh in a dark color. It really toned down the obnoxious kidney grills. I’ll have to see it in a bright color to make the final judgment though. Still a bad ass car either way. Seen a few M4s in yellow and an M3 in that Primer grey colour that’s been all the rage last few years over the last few weeks. Just noticed all the little details more, they are really quite aggressive looking cars almost Japanese looking in my head. I got used to the grill after about the 4th one I saw. Yeah Black really tones it down but I think I’d go for Yellow. First one I saw I was this kid.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 4:53:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry but they are going to continue thanks to YOUR government agencies who are looking out for your best interest. Thanks to the NHTSA you will now be able to run over pedestrians with ease Yep. It’s not the manufactures, it’s the federal govt mandating height restrictions. It’s why pick up truck front ends are basically the same height as a refrigerator. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 6:46:48 AM EDT
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Completely agree!
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Posted: 5/22/2021 6:53:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's my understanding of it. Started in Eurpe IIRC. The taller front end is supposed to lessen the impact if a pedestrian is hit. They also added more distance between the hood and the top of the engine to lessen the chance of head injuries if a pedestrian lands on the hood. Never mind. Already posted. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:19:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also another reason the Porsche 911 is the greatest automobile of all time. Dung beetle looking euro trash. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:24:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is part of why most modern cars look the same if you made them all one color. Only so many ways to meet all the regs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This. 80-90% of automotive design these days is dictated by compliance to govt mandates. Partially why crossovers are such a thing. They are the best platform to haul all those mandates around. This is part of why most modern cars look the same if you made them all one color. Only so many ways to meet all the regs The part that gets me is mandates beget mandates. Side impact standards raise beltlines, rear impact and rollover protection result in huge A pillars and high trunks and bedsides so high on trucks that they have to build stepladders into tailgates. So now we need backup cameras and blind spot monitoring. Pedestrian impact and offset crash standards are raising hoodlines so high that I bet they will mandate forward facing cameras soon. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:25:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dung beetle looking euro trash. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also another reason the Porsche 911 is the greatest automobile of all time. Dung beetle looking euro trash.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:26:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is correct. Had a conversation with an auto engineer. He broke down some of the "safety" styling as well as where the high prices are driven from. EPA Mandates DOT mandates Technology Lawyers Lawsuits Lawyers Said every auto sold has included "fixed" charge to cover the above. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My understanding it's the "if you hit a dumbass in the road" safety standards. The hood is supposed to deflect by a certain amount, and not make a sack of useless flesh fly over the car but rather land in the street in front. Apparently the sailing through the air and hitting the ground behind the car part of it causes lots of neck, back, and head injuries that kills the idiot. They implemented a lot of stuff from these articles: https://www.edmunds.com/car-safety/protecting-pedestrians-through-vehicle-design.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1123098/ Some models of eurotrash cars even have "windshield breakers" that pre crack the class when they detect a meat-sack hit the bumper so they get a softer landing when they hit that part of the car. This is correct. Had a conversation with an auto engineer. He broke down some of the "safety" styling as well as where the high prices are driven from. EPA Mandates DOT mandates Technology Lawyers Lawsuits Lawyers Said every auto sold has included "fixed" charge to cover the above. I have two of what are basically the same model truck with a ~25 year age difference. Looking at them side by side it is astounding to see the amount of government in the newer one. That said, if I were to have a bad crash, I would rather be in the new one. But I am still comfortable driving the no airbag, no crumple zone, no electronic nanny truck around. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:28:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:29:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rise of EVs will end it It't being driven by stupid pedestrian crash test requirements, in part, so probably not. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:30:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably already answered but here is my guess. Because headlights are super bright these days and you can't see the blinker in the front if the headlights are on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another stupid thing l noticed with new cars and trucks is the headlight turning off when the turn signal is activated on the Same side WTF would they make a headlight turn off when turning? Probably already answered but here is my guess. Because headlights are super bright these days and you can't see the blinker in the front if the headlights are on. I didn't realize the headlights switched off. The DRL, yes. (given how bright LEDs are these days, I could see mistaking the DRL for a headlight) One of my trucks the DRL is what is known as a switchback, meaning it changes from white to amber and pulls double duty as a DRL and turn signal. Headlight stays on when the signal is used. But they are aftermarket HID and LED retrofit lights. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:30:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Also another reason the Porsche 911 is the greatest automobile of all time. Dung beetle looking euro trash. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_inline_n5u0xtXbcw1ryxhvf_zpsoiemfgn1-120.jpg Not false.  " />
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:35:31 AM EDT
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Toyota alphard
 
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:45:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1993 Painted the grille and the bumper! $700 truck with $1600 paint job On the job https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/79281E33-8C34-4E26-B1DE-4AB67A490360_jpe-1950695.JPG Well shit, with the bed so full you can only fit about a dozen family members to get to work… |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:45:38 AM EDT
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There are many, many trends in modern cars that need to go away. Yes, modern cars are the safest they've ever been, and that's wonderful, as someone whose entire family has benefited from the modern safety features. But can we not also have models of cars that still have class, style, and character, and aren't just checking off the list of government required features? I look at cars from the 1970s and older, and get sad because I know those are gone forever. Not just those models, but that type of car that has an identity. One you look at and think, oh that's a 77 Camaro, or whatever. No one will ever look back and say, "Wow that's a 2019 (fill in the blank)! Where'd you get that? Are you restoring it?".
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:49:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I lost my virginity in the back seat of a Probe like that... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1992 was minimum grill... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Ford_Probe_GT_I.JPG 2021... https://www.jmlexus.com/assets/shared/CustomHTMLFiles/Responsive/MRP/Lexus/2021/LC/images/2021-Lexus-LC-01.jpg The madness needs to end. I lost my virginity in the back seat of a Probe like that... Was he a gentle lover? |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:52:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is not a factory grill. But this is.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/2021-silverado-hd-performance-04-v2_jpg-1950597.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They all want to look like an ugly ass ferd. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26010/412W2C64_wL__AC_SY580__jpg-1950590.JPG That is not a factory grill. But this is.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/2021-silverado-hd-performance-04-v2_jpg-1950597.JPG Ackshully....Yes, that Ford grille is factory. At least the trucks have a small excuse. They have huge radiators, AC condensers, transmission coolers, and steering coolers behind them, as they are designed to tow heavy. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:53:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A lot of them will have faux grilles that don’t actually do anything and are purely for aesthetics. Not the good ones. https://i.imgur.com/ZFsV9uI.png That's not a good one evidently. I was assured in another thread that a car that will do 0-60 in 1.1s and top out at 200mph is boring and like riding around your living room on a vacuum cleaner. 
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:54:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree 100% with OP. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:54:49 AM EDT
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Have you seen the lexus grilles? Ls500. :(
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:58:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this due to the switch to r1234yf? These newer-gen refrigerants need MUCH larger condenser coils to perform as well as older formulas. I bet that's part of it. R1234yf also produces hydrogen fluoride when it burns, and has etched windshield glass in burn testing. I hate the stuff and will avoid buying a vehicle that uses it for as long as possible in the hope that it is abandoned. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 11:58:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2021 12:02:46 PM EDT
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Grills probably do need to be larger with the more output they are getting from engines now.
More airflow for the radiator. All that nearly goes away with electric cars. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 12:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I the only one that thinks they don't look bad? Small grilled cars look ill-proportioned. Nope, I like them! The more grille and fake hood scoops the better. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 12:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHonestly 2025 looks pretty good and I don't eve like Bummers. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 1:43:25 PM EDT
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The full sized Yukon and Escalade grills are huge. But I like it. When you look in the rear view mirror and all you see is a grill, you get out the way
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Posted: 5/22/2021 1:45:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not an EV fan (I think it's stupid to even bother making them with current lithium tech) but anyone should be able to see that the future will be electric. The electrical generation and especially electrical transmission overhaul the United States would need to replace all the ICE commuter cars with electric vehicles would make FDR’s new deal look like a mild budget reform. You’re talking about replacing/augmenting a century’s worth of electrical infrastructure with something that can handle 2-3x the power in just a decade or so. Most people, like the people that have no idea where meat in the supermarket comes from, are too stupid to think this “electric vehicle revolution” through. Let alone the implication of mining enough lithium and copper to make efficient EVs happen. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 1:45:45 PM EDT
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It doesn’t seem to be affecting Porsche too badly.
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Posted: 5/22/2021 1:48:23 PM EDT
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Just seal the holes up OP. No one needs airflow
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Posted: 5/22/2021 1:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks more like the Toyota Downsmobile... |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 2:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGotta ditch the grandma bars 
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Posted: 5/22/2021 3:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ackshully....Yes, that Ford grille is factory. At least the trucks have a small excuse. They have huge radiators, AC condensers, transmission coolers, and steering coolers behind them, as they are designed to tow heavy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They all want to look like an ugly ass ferd. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26010/412W2C64_wL__AC_SY580__jpg-1950590.JPG That is not a factory grill. But this is.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/2021-silverado-hd-performance-04-v2_jpg-1950597.JPG Ackshully....Yes, that Ford grille is factory. At least the trucks have a small excuse. They have huge radiators, AC condensers, transmission coolers, and steering coolers behind them, as they are designed to tow heavy. I realized it was a factory grill after posting but let my post stand since the LED lights mounted in it are not factory. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 4:18:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So do massive center consoles. Give me my knee room back. You should drive, instead of riding in the middle seat. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 4:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hello fellow tall person. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So do massive center consoles. Give me my knee room back. Hello fellow tall person. 6'5" and I love the console in my F150. Me thinks y'all need smaller thighs. 
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Posted: 5/22/2021 4:51:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I lost my virginity in the back seat of a Probe like that... How did you pull that off? There's barely enough room for mice to fuck back there. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 5:07:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can’t speak to the cars, but the later model trucks can handle more load for longer because they cool better with the massive grilles. Looks weird, but it works. They were previously fresh air constrained? |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 5:14:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dung beetle looking euro trash. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also another reason the Porsche 911 is the greatest automobile of all time. Dung beetle looking euro trash. Sorry about your poverty |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 5:36:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGross. Looks like a face without a mouth. |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 5:39:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It really has gotten outta hand https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/448063/hf06i6abwncnbr6okvjz_jpg-1950547.JPG Why the f does there need to be a TRD Avalon?? Avalons are supposed to be soft old man cruisers.How in the world is that grill good for aerodynamics? It looks like it would create huge amounts of unnecessary turbulence. Kharn |
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