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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:38:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
So apparently I have the T levels of an 90 year old man. No wonder I have to drink a ton of caffeine to even get me moving. I just wonder how much stronger and faster I would be if I had normal levels. I feel like I have wasted a ton of time.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Me too, just started and I'm hoping my recovery time improves. I hit a new max and then for a few weeks I can't get near it again. Frustrating. Even more frustrating is to suddenly return to 20yo hormone levels when you are 1500 miles from home. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? 7 more days.... 7 days. So apparently I have the T levels of an 90 year old man. No wonder I have to drink a ton of caffeine to even get me moving. I just wonder how much stronger and faster I would be if I had normal levels. I feel like I have wasted a ton of time. I know exactly what you mean. You sleep good, eat good, exercise and need a nap by 11am. Legs feel so heavy you just don't want to get moving. I'd have better days where I didn't feel like I needed a nap, but only 3 or so days a week. I'm two weeks into TRT and feeling better all the time. Today my wife and I are running a 5K 'together'. She is at the starting line with her number at the 'Lamb Days' (we live in a big sheep ranching area) and I'm in Wisconsin going to run at the same time for 5K. I ran one on the 4th, interesting to see if the TRT and elevation change makes me faster here. Starting any minute now.... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:41:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
I know exactly what you mean. You sleep good, eat good, exercise and need a nap by 11am. Legs feel so heavy you just don't want to get moving. I'd have better days where I didn't feel like I needed a nap, but only 3 or so days a week. I'm two weeks into TRT and feeling better all the time. Today my wife and I are running a 5K 'together'. She is at the starting line with her number at the 'Lamb Days' (we live in a big sheep ranching area) and I'm in Wisconsin going to run at the same time for 5K. I ran one on the 4th, interesting to see if the TRT and elevation change makes me faster here. Starting any minute now.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Me too, just started and I'm hoping my recovery time improves. I hit a new max and then for a few weeks I can't get near it again. Frustrating. Even more frustrating is to suddenly return to 20yo hormone levels when you are 1500 miles from home. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? 7 more days.... 7 days. So apparently I have the T levels of an 90 year old man. No wonder I have to drink a ton of caffeine to even get me moving. I just wonder how much stronger and faster I would be if I had normal levels. I feel like I have wasted a ton of time. I know exactly what you mean. You sleep good, eat good, exercise and need a nap by 11am. Legs feel so heavy you just don't want to get moving. I'd have better days where I didn't feel like I needed a nap, but only 3 or so days a week. I'm two weeks into TRT and feeling better all the time. Today my wife and I are running a 5K 'together'. She is at the starting line with her number at the 'Lamb Days' (we live in a big sheep ranching area) and I'm in Wisconsin going to run at the same time for 5K. I ran one on the 4th, interesting to see if the TRT and elevation change makes me faster here. Starting any minute now.... Oh yeah. I would want a nap everyday. If I got off work early I would come home and sleep for a few hours. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:32:39 AM EST
[#3]
No manual
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:33:57 AM EST
[#4]
Still got it, bitches
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:52:16 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Oh yeah. I would want a nap everyday. If I got off work early I would come home and sleep for a few hours. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Me too, just started and I'm hoping my recovery time improves. I hit a new max and then for a few weeks I can't get near it again. Frustrating. Even more frustrating is to suddenly return to 20yo hormone levels when you are 1500 miles from home. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? 7 more days.... 7 days. So apparently I have the T levels of an 90 year old man. No wonder I have to drink a ton of caffeine to even get me moving. I just wonder how much stronger and faster I would be if I had normal levels. I feel like I have wasted a ton of time. I know exactly what you mean. You sleep good, eat good, exercise and need a nap by 11am. Legs feel so heavy you just don't want to get moving. I'd have better days where I didn't feel like I needed a nap, but only 3 or so days a week. I'm two weeks into TRT and feeling better all the time. Today my wife and I are running a 5K 'together'. She is at the starting line with her number at the 'Lamb Days' (we live in a big sheep ranching area) and I'm in Wisconsin going to run at the same time for 5K. I ran one on the 4th, interesting to see if the TRT and elevation change makes me faster here. Starting any minute now.... Oh yeah. I would want a nap everyday. If I got off work early I would come home and sleep for a few hours. How low was your T? Mine was 312. Finished two miles in 19minutes, then eventually crossed the finish line with a time of 33:33. No bad for someone who only runs for 5K events and never any other time. After I recover for a few hours I'm going to the gym, maybe squats today... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:56:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
How low was your T? Mine was 312. Finished two miles in 19minutes, then eventually crossed the finish line with a time of 33:33. No bad for someone who only runs for 5K events and never any other time. After I recover for a few hours I'm going to the gym, maybe squats today... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Me too, just started and I'm hoping my recovery time improves. I hit a new max and then for a few weeks I can't get near it again. Frustrating. Even more frustrating is to suddenly return to 20yo hormone levels when you are 1500 miles from home. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? 7 more days.... 7 days. So apparently I have the T levels of an 90 year old man. No wonder I have to drink a ton of caffeine to even get me moving. I just wonder how much stronger and faster I would be if I had normal levels. I feel like I have wasted a ton of time. I know exactly what you mean. You sleep good, eat good, exercise and need a nap by 11am. Legs feel so heavy you just don't want to get moving. I'd have better days where I didn't feel like I needed a nap, but only 3 or so days a week. I'm two weeks into TRT and feeling better all the time. Today my wife and I are running a 5K 'together'. She is at the starting line with her number at the 'Lamb Days' (we live in a big sheep ranching area) and I'm in Wisconsin going to run at the same time for 5K. I ran one on the 4th, interesting to see if the TRT and elevation change makes me faster here. Starting any minute now.... Oh yeah. I would want a nap everyday. If I got off work early I would come home and sleep for a few hours. How low was your T? Mine was 312. Finished two miles in 19minutes, then eventually crossed the finish line with a time of 33:33. No bad for someone who only runs for 5K events and never any other time. After I recover for a few hours I'm going to the gym, maybe squats today... 287. 
The best thing my dr said "if you were one point above normal I wouldn't have given you any meds". That caused a serious argument. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 9:39:31 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
287.
The best thing my dr said "if you were one point above normal I wouldn't have given you any meds". That caused a serious argument. 87's a good number 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:21:35 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
287.
The best thing my dr said "if you were one point above normal I wouldn't have given you any meds". That caused a serious argument. I think you're technically in normal range. I thought the scale started at 275. Find a new doctor. The doctor I saw initially said "So what do you want me to do?" when my levels came back at 272. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:24:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
I think you're technically in normal range. I thought the scale started at 275. Find a new doctor. The doctor I saw initially said "So what do you want me to do?" when my levels came back at 272. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
287.
The best thing my dr said "if you were one point above normal I wouldn't have given you any meds". That caused a serious argument. I think you're technically in normal range. I thought the scale started at 275. Find a new doctor. The doctor I saw initially said "So what do you want me to do?" when my levels came back at 272. It depends on age, but the metric I saw placed the low end for a 40yo male at 375 or so. Younger guys should be even higher. Feeling awesome apparently is about the 800-1000 range, I'll get tested again in a few weeks and see how I'm doing. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:54:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: darktide]
[#10]
 I always recommend anyone at one standard deviation or more below "average" to be on replacement if no contraindcations, etc exist... These numbers aren't too far off from multiple population based studies... just a bit strange that the 35-44 has higher average than the 25-34... Low numbers of subjects in this specific table though... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:15:14 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
It depends on age, but the metric I saw placed the low end for a 40yo male at 375 or so. Younger guys should be even higher. Feeling awesome apparently is about the 800-1000 range, I'll get tested again in a few weeks and see how I'm doing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
287.
The best thing my dr said "if you were one point above normal I wouldn't have given you any meds". That caused a serious argument. I think you're technically in normal range. I thought the scale started at 275. Find a new doctor. The doctor I saw initially said "So what do you want me to do?" when my levels came back at 272. It depends on age, but the metric I saw placed the low end for a 40yo male at 375 or so. Younger guys should be even higher. Feeling awesome apparently is about the 800-1000 range, I'll get tested again in a few weeks and see how I'm doing. You are correct Mine is mid 900s and I feel good. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:36:04 AM EST
[#12]
I'm not sure if I missed it (sorry if I did), but what was it that made you get your T level checked initially?
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:52:45 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
I'm not sure if I missed it (sorry if I did), but what was it that made you get your T level checked initially? Prolonged inability to get my ass moving as well as I wanted. I've had a rough adulthood with significant 3rd degree burns and an insect borne infection that is now 5 1/2 years old, so I had a hard time realizing my T was way low. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 11:55:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide:
http://musclemunch.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/testosterone-levels.jpg I always recommend anyone at one standard deviation or more below "average" to be on replacement if no contraindcations, etc exist... These numbers aren't too far off from multiple population based studies... just a bit strange that the 35-44 has higher average than the 25-34... Low numbers of subjects in this specific table though... To what do you attribute the extent of healthy men being so incredibly low? Lack of testing in the past? Chem trails? Alien experiments? Unknown? It seems everyone I know is either somewhat or very low. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 12:06:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
You have a good foundation. The sky is the limit. You will most definitely see your bench go up and those small arms get bigger.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Me too, just started and I'm hoping my recovery time improves. I hit a new max and then for a few weeks I can't get near it again. Frustrating. Even more frustrating is to suddenly return to 20yo hormone levels when you are 1500 miles from home. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? 7 more days.... 7 days. So apparently I have the T levels of an 90 year old man. No wonder I have to drink a ton of caffeine to even get me moving. I just wonder how much stronger and faster I would be if I had normal levels. I feel like I have wasted a ton of time. You have a good foundation. The sky is the limit. You will most definitely see your bench go up and those small arms get bigger. He'll be making fun of other people's squat before we know it. Probably mine.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:22:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
To what do you attribute the extent of healthy men being so incredibly low? Lack of testing in the past? Chem trails? Alien experiments? Unknown? It seems everyone I know is either somewhat or very low. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By darktide:
http://musclemunch.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/testosterone-levels.jpg I always recommend anyone at one standard deviation or more below "average" to be on replacement if no contraindcations, etc exist... These numbers aren't too far off from multiple population based studies... just a bit strange that the 35-44 has higher average than the 25-34... Low numbers of subjects in this specific table though... To what do you attribute the extent of healthy men being so incredibly low? Lack of testing in the past? Chem trails? Alien experiments? Unknown? It seems everyone I know is either somewhat or very low. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:42:16 PM EST
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That chart makes me want to get my levels checked. I got test levels checked 6-7 years ago and seem to remember it was mid 300.I would have been around 28 years old at the time.b
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Posted: 7/18/2015 1:52:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
I'm not sure if I missed it (sorry if I did), but what was it that made you get your T level checked initially? It is not very expensive and easy test to do so why not! |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:43:06 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
I think you're technically in normal range. I thought the scale started at 275. Find a new doctor. The doctor I saw initially said "So what do you want me to do?" when my levels came back at 272. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
287.
The best thing my dr said "if you were one point above normal I wouldn't have given you any meds". That caused a serious argument. I think you're technically in normal range. I thought the scale started at 275. Find a new doctor. The doctor I saw initially said "So what do you want me to do?" when my levels came back at 272. Totally normal for 90 year old. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:46:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: darktide]
[#20]
i hate to be the guy who says diet and lack of exercise, but that.
I'm a doctor, but not your doctor... this isn't medical advice: All this is my experience with myself, clients, and patients... No research backing this, just my synthesis of the available material and extrapolation based on my understanding of physiology, etc. ------- Lean towards fat for energy, supplement with 40-200g carbs (depends on activity, carb sensitivity, etc), get enough protein, and lift heavy weights... Testosterone levels usually normalize towards mean. Look, I spent 15-20 years eating like shit as a kid, not knowing any better- I needed to make weight for a fight? Bodybuilder diet Carbs/protein, low fat. Wild swings from 250 down to 199 or 205 back within a few weeks... I remember when I was 21 my testosterone level was 245... AT 21!!! Prior to fixing my shit with the help of a bunch of different coaches I was in the low 3's (~2 years ago) LDL in the 160's... Nutritionally fixed myself, Last I checked, I was in the mid 6's, LDL 120's (at 28) while my diet is being more fat predominate and lifting heavy/running/cycling/swimming. Same goes for many of my patients... I'm getting a whole battery of labs done here in a couple week after being on a No sugar/no grain diet (except for pizza once or twice)... and minimal exercise - swimming, upper body lifting (broken foot means no running or cycling or deadlift/squatting)... We'll see where my total, free Testosterone as well as lipids hangs out. Understand this: people who eat like shit for decades are going to have to retrain their body to be not fucked. It can take months-years to do this via proper nutrition/exercise... How many people you know have that kind of discipline?... or even that level of give-a-fuck? Even if they do, there's still the chance that they've fucked themselves indefinitely in some domains... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:46:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: KaiK]
[#21]
Delayed double.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:48:52 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide:
i hate to be the guy who says diet and lack of exercise, but that. I know I don't do those. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:00:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide:
i hate to be the guy who says diet and lack of exercise, but that. Diet, lack of exercise and sleep, spent years on grave yard shift, etc |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:01:02 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
I know I don't do those. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By darktide:
i hate to be the guy who says diet and lack of exercise, but that. I know I don't do those. Try it. TRT/HRT is a lifelong commitment. It's not going to take you from 278 to 900 though. 900 feels pleasant. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:01:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: darktide]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide: i hate to be the guy who says diet and lack of exercise, but that. I'm a doctor, but not your doctor... this isn't medical advice: All this is my experience with myself, clients, and patients... No research backing this, just my synthesis of the available material and extrapolation based on my understanding of physiology, etc. ------- Lean towards fat for energy, supplement with 40-200g carbs (depends on activity, carb sensitivity, etc), get enough protein, and lift heavy weights... Testosterone levels usually normalize towards mean. Look, I spent 15-20 years eating like shit as a kid, not knowing any better- I needed to make weight for a fight? Bodybuilder diet Carbs/protein, low fat. Wild swings in bodyweight from 250 down to 199 or 205 back within a few weeks... I remember when I was 21 my testosterone level was 245... AT 21!!! Prior to fixing my shit with the help of a bunch of different coaches I was in the low 3's (~2 years ago) LDL in the 160's... Nutritionally fixed myself, Last I checked, testosterone was in the mid 6's, LDL 120's (at 28) while my diet is being more fat predominate and lifting heavy/running/cycling/swimming. Same goes for many of my patients... I'm getting a whole battery of labs done here in a couple week after being on a No sugar/no grain diet (except for pizza once or twice)... and minimal exercise - swimming, upper body lifting (broken foot means no running or cycling or deadlift/squatting)... We'll see where my total, free Testosterone as well as lipids hangs out. Understand this: people who eat like shit for decades are going to have to retrain their body to be not fucked. It can take months-years to do this via proper nutrition/exercise... How many people you know have that kind of discipline?... or even that level of give-a-fuck? Even if they do, there's still the chance that they've fucked themselves indefinitely in some domains... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:21:19 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tcataz:
It is not very expensive and easy test to do so why not! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tcataz:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
I'm not sure if I missed it (sorry if I did), but what was it that made you get your T level checked initially? It is not very expensive and easy test to do so why not! I have insurance to cover costs. I'm not sure why I'd need to. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:22:54 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
Try it. TRT/HRT is a lifelong commitment. It's not going to take you from 278 to 900 though. 900 feels pleasant. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By darktide:
i hate to be the guy who says diet and lack of exercise, but that. I know I don't do those. Try it. TRT/HRT is a lifelong commitment. It's not going to take you from 278 to 900 though. 900 feels pleasant. What are you talking about. I exercise all the time. And I was on a pretty strict diet before Cola Warrior. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:45:43 PM EST
[#28]
Hank is slow.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:21:48 PM EST
[#29]
I may not be a smart man, but I know what test is...
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:28:21 PM EST
[#30]
900 is good.
1200 was a bit much.
315 or whatever I was, was "dying in slow motion" to quote a fellow member in the big T thread. Good luck telling my doctor that though. He gave me Prozac. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:31:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
900 is good. 1200 was a bit much.
315 or whatever I was, was "dying in slow motion" to quote a fellow member in the big T thread. Good luck telling my doctor that though. He gave me Prozac. That's how I feel. Like I want to go fast but the e-brake is on. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:33:57 PM EST
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10 x 4 minute rounds
Front Squats 225 x 2 KB Swings 80 x 20 Had to resort to some self abuse with a foam roller on my right hip. Simply brutal workout. Had that crazy wiped out high feeling when I was done. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:47:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
I have insurance to cover costs. I'm not sure why I'd need to. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By tcataz:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
I'm not sure if I missed it (sorry if I did), but what was it that made you get your T level checked initially? It is not very expensive and easy test to do so why not! I have insurance to cover costs. I'm not sure why I'd need to. For company insurance I have to have a blood test every year. So while am a at it I have a bunch of stuff tested on blood work. That is how I found out my Thyroid was way out of wack. Instead of wondering if you have Low T or not just test it and then you know. There are websites that will give you signs and symptoms if you google it. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 6:46:39 PM EST
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The My Protein cookies let me down, flavor wise. I guess it really is impossible to find something with "protein" in the name that tastes good. And I mean good compared to other things that taste good in general, not "tastes good compared to other bad tasting protein".
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2015 6:57:26 PM EST
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The solve for that?
Drink some egg whites, and then eat a real fucking cookie... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 6:58:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
That's how I feel. Like I want to go fast but the e-brake is on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
900 is good. 1200 was a bit much.
315 or whatever I was, was "dying in slow motion" to quote a fellow member in the big T thread. Good luck telling my doctor that though. He gave me Prozac. That's how I feel. Like I want to go fast but the e-brake is on. Yep. You'll start to feel better and/or feel like you should as you climb up. They had to up my dose WAY up to get me to respond but after 3 months I was cruising into the 600s and by the 4.5 month mark I was >1000. Now they're backing down trying to land me around 900. I went from being pretty sedentary, just because I had no energy to do anything that wasn't required, to feeling like I'm 17 again and ready to lift, conquer, and rape the world. Lifts go up every time I lift. I don't seem to lose much, if any, from taking a week or two off. Fat is peeling off. Its a good thing. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:28:14 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
900 is good. 1200 was a bit much. just getting started
315 or whatever I was, was "dying in slow motion" to quote a fellow member in the big T thread. Good luck telling my doctor that though. He gave me Prozac. Fify. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:33:02 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Fify. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
900 is good. 1200 was a bit much. just getting started
315 or whatever I was, was "dying in slow motion" to quote a fellow member in the big T thread. Good luck telling my doctor that though. He gave me Prozac. Fify. Aren't you rocking like 2100? |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:39:05 PM EST
[#39]
So what does 2,100 do for/ to you?
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:40:03 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Yep. You'll start to feel better and/or feel like you should as you climb up. They had to up my dose WAY up to get me to respond but after 3 months I was cruising into the 600s and by the 4.5 month mark I was >1000. Now they're backing down trying to land me around 900. I went from being pretty sedentary, just because I had no energy to do anything that wasn't required, to feeling like I'm 17 again and ready to lift, conquer, and rape the world. Lifts go up every time I lift. I don't seem to lose much, if any, from taking a week or two off. Fat is peeling off. Its a good thing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
900 is good. 1200 was a bit much.
315 or whatever I was, was "dying in slow motion" to quote a fellow member in the big T thread. Good luck telling my doctor that though. He gave me Prozac. That's how I feel. Like I want to go fast but the e-brake is on. Yep. You'll start to feel better and/or feel like you should as you climb up. They had to up my dose WAY up to get me to respond but after 3 months I was cruising into the 600s and by the 4.5 month mark I was >1000. Now they're backing down trying to land me around 900. I went from being pretty sedentary, just because I had no energy to do anything that wasn't required, to feeling like I'm 17 again and ready to lift, conquer, and rape the world. Lifts go up every time I lift. I don't seem to lose much, if any, from taking a week or two off. Fat is peeling off. Its a good thing. I am looking forward to that. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:54:34 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: So what does 2,100 do for/ to you? Makes you awesome. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:57:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: KaiK]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide:
Makes you awesome. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
So what does 2,100 do for/ to you? Makes you awesome. That's 8xs what I have. I wouldn't know what to do with that much. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:06:12 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
That's 8xs what I have. I wouldn't know what to do with that much. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By darktide:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
So what does 2,100 do for/ to you? Makes you awesome. That's 8xs what I have. I wouldn't know what to do with that much. If it is that far over normal, how do you get a doc to prescribe that quantity? |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:11:48 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
If it is that far over normal, how do you get a doc to prescribe that quantity? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By darktide:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
So what does 2,100 do for/ to you? Makes you awesome. That's 8xs what I have. I wouldn't know what to do with that much. If it is that far over normal, how do you get a doc to prescribe that quantity? That's double the high end of normal. You would have to find a special Dr. to prescribe that much. I got shit just wanting to get to between 800-1000. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 8:26:44 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
That's double the high end of normal. You would have to find a special Dr. to prescribe that much. I got shit just wanting to get to between 800-1000. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By KaiK:
Originally Posted By darktide:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
So what does 2,100 do for/ to you? Makes you awesome. That's 8xs what I have. I wouldn't know what to do with that much. If it is that far over normal, how do you get a doc to prescribe that quantity? That's double the high end of normal. You would have to find a special Dr. to prescribe that much. I got shit just wanting to get to between 800-1000. That's what I was thinking. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 9:13:26 PM EST
[#46]
Worked on being awesome today by going down the Black Hole waterslide at the happy fun park. The high dive at the pool will be a cinch from here one out,
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Posted: 7/18/2015 9:17:05 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide:
Makes you awesome. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
So what does 2,100 do for/ to you? Makes you awesome. Downsides? Besides growing hair on your teeth and crying when someone wins a car on The Price is Right? |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 9:24:48 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darktide:
i hate to be the guy who says diet and lack of exercise, but that. I'm a doctor, but not your doctor... this isn't medical advice: All this is my experience with myself, clients, and patients... No research backing this, just my synthesis of the available material and extrapolation based on my understanding of physiology, etc. ------- Lean towards fat for energy, supplement with 40-200g carbs (depends on activity, carb sensitivity, etc), get enough protein, and lift heavy weights... Testosterone levels usually normalize towards mean. Look, I spent 15-20 years eating like shit as a kid, not knowing any better- I needed to make weight for a fight? Bodybuilder diet Carbs/protein, low fat. Wild swings from 250 down to 199 or 205 back within a few weeks... I remember when I was 21 my testosterone level was 245... AT 21!!! Prior to fixing my shit with the help of a bunch of different coaches I was in the low 3's (~2 years ago) LDL in the 160's... Nutritionally fixed myself, Last I checked, I was in the mid 6's, LDL 120's (at 28) while my diet is being more fat predominate and lifting heavy/running/cycling/swimming. Same goes for many of my patients... I'm getting a whole battery of labs done here in a couple week after being on a No sugar/no grain diet (except for pizza once or twice)... and minimal exercise - swimming, upper body lifting (broken foot means no running or cycling or deadlift/squatting)... We'll see where my total, free Testosterone as well as lipids hangs out. Understand this: people who eat like shit for decades are going to have to retrain their body to be not fucked. It can take months-years to do this via proper nutrition/exercise... How many people you know have that kind of discipline?... or even that level of give-a-fuck? Even if they do, there's still the chance that they've fucked themselves indefinitely in some domains... Interesting. I have changed the way I eat in the last few years to eating specifically for nutrition and it's made me healthier and happier. I've had repeated problems with myelitis in my spine and the common courses of steroids, antibiotics, etc were hell on earth and wrecked my health. The last time I had a problem I opted to forgo the drugs and ate very, very well, but more importantly for me was eating about twice as much as I previously had. I recovered more quickly and more completely than any of the other times. That was also when I realized I was getting about 1200-1500 calories a day and little of it was really what I'd call nutritious. Not just a bunch of crap, but not nearly as nutrient dense as what I eat now. Getting enough nutrition helped a lot, but after 2 years of it I'm still at 312 for my T levels. As you said, I may be fucked indefinitely for some things. I'm 20lbs heavier now, I eat nearly twice as many calories a day, I'm stronger, healthier and happier. With T replacement I am doing even better. Sigh. the obvious shit we have to learn the hard way. At least my kids all eat very well and get a lot more hard work and exercise than I ever did. I think they are happier than I was as a kid too. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 9:31:07 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Downsides? Besides growing hair on your teeth and crying when someone wins a car on The Price is Right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By darktide:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
So what does 2,100 do for/ to you? Makes you awesome. Downsides? Besides growing hair on your teeth and crying when someone wins a car on The Price is Right? Besides that, yah. I wonder how many people get tested and find out their T levels are fine. I was tested years ago for a life insurance policy and they said my triglycerides levels were high. Since then I've started eating much healthier, started working out, have since lost 35 lbs. I've wondered if they have come down since then. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 10:40:50 PM EST
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Welp, I'm having a hard time hitting 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. I'm tracking everything on My Fitness Pal. Today I got close at 160g, but most days are 120-130. The weights on the 5x5 right now are still light, but when they do get heavy, what is the best course? Chicken until I start cluckin? Add a second protein shake? Jerky and boiled eggs at the top of every hour? All of the above and eat all of the things?
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