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Posted: 9/13/2024 1:40:50 PM EST
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Posted: 9/13/2024 1:43:17 PM EST
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Posted: 9/13/2024 7:26:19 PM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:35:31 AM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:50:35 AM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:07:45 PM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:14:16 PM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:55:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: switchtanks]
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I have a bad feeling about all the latest goings on-
A) it assumes that this is now an expanding war in which land is now up for grabs. Literally. This is no longer (exclusively) a war to prevent one country from taking over another it about taking what you can. People and land are now legit bargaining chips. Civilian casualties are now likely to be kept track of as opposed to concentrating on military or even paramilitary ones. This is only in my estimation evidence of escalation and from what I can remember nuclear armed superpowers rarely allow themselves to be occupied. B) Ukraine can not hold what it has taken thus far. I think it’s a bold strategy to take Russian territory at the point of a gun, it’s ambitious. It also will not hold. The Russians can take back that territory anytime they want and the Ukrainians will not make it *worth their while ( *this implies war crimes of various nature). IE they will not motivate the Russian to intervene in the (temporary) occupation. The Russians will outlast them so long as Putin is alive. Putin will kill all of Russia and Ukraine to see that happen. There is zero doubt in my mind whatever soil is under a Ukrainian will not once again be under Russian C) I’m open to discussing how winning back previously occupied Ukrainian land will go. Could it be done? I just don’t know. I think we’ve all be shocked at what Ukraine has done. I never would been able to predict they could withstand the onslaught. Politics aside ( and there is every degree of shadiness I can think of) they’re outstanding. I don’t think they’re in position to win a war of attrition. In a Zero Sum Game ( All Out War) numbers really start to matter. D) the West is not only subsiding this war, profiting from it, and has no political/ cultural blow back from it- until it does. That will mean cities that are sacrificed. That is where I think we are heading. I think the willingness to shockingly destroy population centers is being more and more entertained. I think the idea of “getting our hair mussed up” is becoming gradually acceptable to people that think we are overpopulated anyway and are willing to roll the dice so long as they’re in the bunkers. F) I think that means a Real War is goin to happen. Relatively soon. I don’t see any way how it doesn’t with a determined foe and and imbecilic leadership in the counterbalance. I’d love to hear about how wrong I am. How I’ve got this thing all out of perspective and how the adults are back in charge. Most times I’m a realist. And I love being wrong |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:08:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Posted: 9/17/2024 12:22:05 PM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 12:45:39 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 12:55:44 AM EST
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Quote HistorySurprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it’s hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 1:03:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it’s hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. Makes for a better headline, plus a weak Russia means a weak budget. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 1:07:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it’s hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. If I recall earlier this month, the often GD cited Michael Kofman and Rob Lee were saying the same thing |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 1:12:59 AM EST
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It’s what happened to us in GWOT. Had to focus on the fight in front of us and the services and systems best suited to the coming fight weren’t resourced as they ought to have been.
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:51:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it's hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO.  Gotta love ARFCOM. A top US commander in Europe, through an official US government news outlet, says the Russians have learned from their mistakes, recouped their losses, and are bigger and better than they were before the war (he's not the first US commander to say this , BTW) and some people's first reaction is "Nuh-UH!! He's lying!". Now, I don't rule out the possibilities that US intelligence is so bad that we are grossly overestimating Russia, or that our leaders are purposely lying to us in order to get us to support a certain policy or vote a certain way (both of which have ample precedent in US history), but when the US command in Europe says the Russians are more formidable than they were before the war I would tend to listen to their assessment over that of some random GD poster. Not too long ago there was a thread about old aviation magazines, and one of the posts featured a copy of a horribly wrong article from January 1941 about how weak the Japanese air forces were and how they were not a threat to us and how the US would easily defeat them in a war. I've seen the same hubris here when it comes to Russia and China: The 1991 mentality is so strong, and has been so powerfully reinforced by the online NAFO bubble, that people simply cannot conceive of a US defeat under any circumstances, even with the recent humiliating disasters of Afghanistan and Yemen staring them in the face. If, or rather when, things kick off with Russia and China and Iran, some people are going to be absolutely stunned by US losses. It will be as bad as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 -- both of which were also made possible in part by American overconfidence and complacency. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 8:04:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prezboi44]
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https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:24hrs;@31.64,56.49,12.75z From: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/drone-strike-arsenal-triggers-biggest-explosion-russian-soil-war |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 9:46:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Gotta love ARFCOM. A top US commander in Europe, through an official US government news outlet, says the Russians have learned from their mistakes, recouped their losses, and are bigger and better than they were before the war (he's not the first US commander to say this , BTW) and some people's first reaction is "Nuh-UH!! He's lying!". Now, I don't rule out the possibilities that US intelligence is so bad that we are grossly overestimating Russia, or that our leaders are purposely lying to us in order to get us to support a certain policy or vote a certain way (both of which have ample precedent in US history), but when the US command in Europe says the Russians are more formidable than they were before the war I would tend to listen to their assessment over that of some random GD poster. Not too long ago there was a thread about old aviation magazines, and one of the posts featured a copy of a horribly wrong article from January 1941 about how weak the Japanese air forces were and how they were not a threat to us and how the US would easily defeat them in a war. I've seen the same hubris here when it comes to Russia and China: The 1991 mentality is so strong, and has been so powerfully reinforced by the online NAFO bubble, that people simply cannot conceive of a US defeat under any circumstances, even with the recent humiliating disasters of Afghanistan and Yemen staring them in the face. If, or rather when, things kick off with Russia and China and Iran, some people are going to be absolutely stunned by US losses. It will be as bad as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 -- both of which were also made possible in part by American overconfidence and complacency. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it's hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. Gotta love ARFCOM. A top US commander in Europe, through an official US government news outlet, says the Russians have learned from their mistakes, recouped their losses, and are bigger and better than they were before the war (he's not the first US commander to say this , BTW) and some people's first reaction is "Nuh-UH!! He's lying!". Now, I don't rule out the possibilities that US intelligence is so bad that we are grossly overestimating Russia, or that our leaders are purposely lying to us in order to get us to support a certain policy or vote a certain way (both of which have ample precedent in US history), but when the US command in Europe says the Russians are more formidable than they were before the war I would tend to listen to their assessment over that of some random GD poster. Not too long ago there was a thread about old aviation magazines, and one of the posts featured a copy of a horribly wrong article from January 1941 about how weak the Japanese air forces were and how they were not a threat to us and how the US would easily defeat them in a war. I've seen the same hubris here when it comes to Russia and China: The 1991 mentality is so strong, and has been so powerfully reinforced by the online NAFO bubble, that people simply cannot conceive of a US defeat under any circumstances, even with the recent humiliating disasters of Afghanistan and Yemen staring them in the face. If, or rather when, things kick off with Russia and China and Iran, some people are going to be absolutely stunned by US losses. It will be as bad as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 -- both of which were also made possible in part by American overconfidence and complacency. ARFCOM GD: "Russia was never a threat! The military industrial complex lied to us and exaggerated their danger!" ARFCOM GD: "Russia is a BIGGER threat than they were! Listen to the military industrial complex! They know what they are talking about!" |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 9:59:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Gotta love ARFCOM. A top US commander in Europe, through an official US government news outlet, says the Russians have learned from their mistakes, recouped their losses, and are bigger and better than they were before the war (he's not the first US commander to say this , BTW) and some people's first reaction is "Nuh-UH!! He's lying!". Now, I don't rule out the possibilities that US intelligence is so bad that we are grossly overestimating Russia, or that our leaders are purposely lying to us in order to get us to support a certain policy or vote a certain way (both of which have ample precedent in US history), but when the US command in Europe says the Russians are more formidable than they were before the war I would tend to listen to their assessment over that of some random GD poster. Not too long ago there was a thread about old aviation magazines, and one of the posts featured a copy of a horribly wrong article from January 1941 about how weak the Japanese air forces were and how they were not a threat to us and how the US would easily defeat them in a war. I've seen the same hubris here when it comes to Russia and China: The 1991 mentality is so strong, and has been so powerfully reinforced by the online NAFO bubble, that people simply cannot conceive of a US defeat under any circumstances, even with the recent humiliating disasters of Afghanistan and Yemen staring them in the face. If, or rather when, things kick off with Russia and China and Iran, some people are going to be absolutely stunned by US losses. It will be as bad as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 -- both of which were also made possible in part by American overconfidence and complacency. Russia is a lot weaker than they were expected to be. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 10:14:39 AM EST
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And yet, if Russia were not tied down in Ukraine, they could roll the Baltics in a day or two. And NATO would face the choice between giving up and mounting a major land offensive. With military force 10% of what it was in the early 90s.
Muh air superiority! Missiles don't force occupiers to leave. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 10:15:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Gotta love ARFCOM. A top US commander in Europe, through an official US government news outlet, says the Russians have learned from their mistakes, recouped their losses, and are bigger and better than they were before the war (he's not the first US commander to say this , BTW) and some people's first reaction is "Nuh-UH!! He's lying!". Now, I don't rule out the possibilities that US intelligence is so bad that we are grossly overestimating Russia, or that our leaders are purposely lying to us in order to get us to support a certain policy or vote a certain way (both of which have ample precedent in US history), but when the US command in Europe says the Russians are more formidable than they were before the war I would tend to listen to their assessment over that of some random GD poster. Not too long ago there was a thread about old aviation magazines, and one of the posts featured a copy of a horribly wrong article from January 1941 about how weak the Japanese air forces were and how they were not a threat to us and how the US would easily defeat them in a war. I've seen the same hubris here when it comes to Russia and China: The 1991 mentality is so strong, and has been so powerfully reinforced by the online NAFO bubble, that people simply cannot conceive of a US defeat under any circumstances, even with the recent humiliating disasters of Afghanistan and Yemen staring them in the face. If, or rather when, things kick off with Russia and China and Iran, some people are going to be absolutely stunned by US losses. It will be as bad as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 -- both of which were also made possible in part by American overconfidence and complacency. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it's hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. Gotta love ARFCOM. A top US commander in Europe, through an official US government news outlet, says the Russians have learned from their mistakes, recouped their losses, and are bigger and better than they were before the war (he's not the first US commander to say this , BTW) and some people's first reaction is "Nuh-UH!! He's lying!". Now, I don't rule out the possibilities that US intelligence is so bad that we are grossly overestimating Russia, or that our leaders are purposely lying to us in order to get us to support a certain policy or vote a certain way (both of which have ample precedent in US history), but when the US command in Europe says the Russians are more formidable than they were before the war I would tend to listen to their assessment over that of some random GD poster. Not too long ago there was a thread about old aviation magazines, and one of the posts featured a copy of a horribly wrong article from January 1941 about how weak the Japanese air forces were and how they were not a threat to us and how the US would easily defeat them in a war. I've seen the same hubris here when it comes to Russia and China: The 1991 mentality is so strong, and has been so powerfully reinforced by the online NAFO bubble, that people simply cannot conceive of a US defeat under any circumstances, even with the recent humiliating disasters of Afghanistan and Yemen staring them in the face. If, or rather when, things kick off with Russia and China and Iran, some people are going to be absolutely stunned by US losses. It will be as bad as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 -- both of which were also made possible in part by American overconfidence and complacency. You're the guy that has continually offered the absolute worst takes of the entire war. I'm sure someone has screenshots. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 10:18:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: "surprised to hear this" is not "nuh uh, he's lying" You're the guy that has continually offered the absolute worst takes of the entire war. I'm sure someone has screenshots. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By GarandM1: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it's hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. Gotta love ARFCOM. A top US commander in Europe, through an official US government news outlet, says the Russians have learned from their mistakes, recouped their losses, and are bigger and better than they were before the war (he's not the first US commander to say this , BTW) and some people's first reaction is "Nuh-UH!! He's lying!". Now, I don't rule out the possibilities that US intelligence is so bad that we are grossly overestimating Russia, or that our leaders are purposely lying to us in order to get us to support a certain policy or vote a certain way (both of which have ample precedent in US history), but when the US command in Europe says the Russians are more formidable than they were before the war I would tend to listen to their assessment over that of some random GD poster. Not too long ago there was a thread about old aviation magazines, and one of the posts featured a copy of a horribly wrong article from January 1941 about how weak the Japanese air forces were and how they were not a threat to us and how the US would easily defeat them in a war. I've seen the same hubris here when it comes to Russia and China: The 1991 mentality is so strong, and has been so powerfully reinforced by the online NAFO bubble, that people simply cannot conceive of a US defeat under any circumstances, even with the recent humiliating disasters of Afghanistan and Yemen staring them in the face. If, or rather when, things kick off with Russia and China and Iran, some people are going to be absolutely stunned by US losses. It will be as bad as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 -- both of which were also made possible in part by American overconfidence and complacency. You're the guy that has continually offered the absolute worst takes of the entire war. I'm sure someone has screenshots. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 10:22:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Yeah you gotta read the whole article not cherrypick whatever you want to hear lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By GarandM1: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it's hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. Gotta love ARFCOM. A top US commander in Europe, through an official US government news outlet, says the Russians have learned from their mistakes, recouped their losses, and are bigger and better than they were before the war (he's not the first US commander to say this , BTW) and some people's first reaction is "Nuh-UH!! He's lying!". Now, I don't rule out the possibilities that US intelligence is so bad that we are grossly overestimating Russia, or that our leaders are purposely lying to us in order to get us to support a certain policy or vote a certain way (both of which have ample precedent in US history), but when the US command in Europe says the Russians are more formidable than they were before the war I would tend to listen to their assessment over that of some random GD poster. Not too long ago there was a thread about old aviation magazines, and one of the posts featured a copy of a horribly wrong article from January 1941 about how weak the Japanese air forces were and how they were not a threat to us and how the US would easily defeat them in a war. I've seen the same hubris here when it comes to Russia and China: The 1991 mentality is so strong, and has been so powerfully reinforced by the online NAFO bubble, that people simply cannot conceive of a US defeat under any circumstances, even with the recent humiliating disasters of Afghanistan and Yemen staring them in the face. If, or rather when, things kick off with Russia and China and Iran, some people are going to be absolutely stunned by US losses. It will be as bad as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 -- both of which were also made possible in part by American overconfidence and complacency. You're the guy that has continually offered the absolute worst takes of the entire war. I'm sure someone has screenshots. Indeed. From the same article: The improvements come despite heavy casualties inflicted by Ukraine. U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin has estimated that since 2022, more than 350,000 Russian troops have been killed or wounded. "The rates of casualties that they're experiencing are staggering," "Russia is going to be something that we're going to have to deal with for a long time, no matter how this thing ends," Hecker said. However, William Pomeranz, a senior scholar at the Kennan Institute, told VOA that "this move suggests that Vladimir Putin is losing the war." "This is an open signal from Vladimir Putin that his army and his military is in trouble and doesn't have the resources to maintain troops in the field," Pomeranz said. GarandM1 has repeatedly posted the worst takes that have aged like milk. We've all been wrong about things, but he's been aggressively and arrogantly wrong over and over. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 11:46:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Posted: 9/18/2024 11:53:45 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 9:03:04 PM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2024 4:53:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Indeed. From the same article:  GarandM1 has repeatedly posted the worst takes that have aged like milk. We've all been wrong about things, but he's been aggressively and arrogantly wrong over and over. “The russians are winning. Thats why they going through northern Ukraine like crap through a goose” |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 4:45:46 PM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2024 5:00:08 PM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2024 6:39:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryNot so long ago, I speculated that this may be true or soon coming. It seems common sense that a country fighting a tough and prolonged war, would get better at war production and fighting. People here dismissed it as ridiculous and assured me that the Orks are being slaughtered and Russia is of no concern. It may have been earlier in this thread. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 7:16:36 PM EST
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GD:
Russia is a threat! No, Russia was NEVER a threat! Okay, Russia is no longer a threat! No! Russia in now a BIGGER threat! |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 7:28:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: Missilegeek]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: GD: Russia is a threat! No, Russia was NEVER a threat! Okay, Russia is no longer a threat! No! Russia in now a BIGGER threat! No one could be more wrong about Russia and this war than the Pentagon, Milley, Austin and the Biden Regime. 1. Russia will roll Ukraine in less than a week. 2. The war is over Zelensky and his gov should evacuate. 3. Oh wow they are winning, we should really give them what they ask for and help them with an offensive now. 4. "Advise" the Ukrainians to attack right into the strength of the well prepared and designed defenses and get all that equipment blown up. 5. Keep doubling down on #3-4 no matter what. #sunkcostfallacyforlife. I don't know what is more amazing; their ability to be wrong about everything, their ability to lie about everything, or their ability to transform a low cost win win situation into a situation with massive continued investment into rapidly evaporating returns. |
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Posted: 9/20/2024 12:01:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/09/18/deepstate-russian-forces-advanced-near-pokrovsk/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3261-3325720.jpg https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/09/17/isw-ukraine-advances-in-vovchansk-near-pokrovsk-russians-make-gains-near-kreminna-and-chasiv-yar/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3267-3325840.jpg I remember when one of the pro Russian members parroted the Kharkiv offensive as some mighty defeat of the Ukrainians. It's been going on for almost 7 months and it's largely stagnated. |
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Posted: 9/20/2024 12:57:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Russia’s take on Kursk and what Russian troops have excelled at as of today https://www.rt.com/russia/604285-russian-forces-key-fronts/
   
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Posted: 9/20/2024 1:02:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I remember when one of the pro Russian members parroted the Kharkiv offensive as some mighty defeat of the Ukrainians. It's been going on for almost 7 months and it's largely stagnated. Even if Russia seizes Prokrovsk well ha e to see how they exploit that. They could have enormous success or they could struggle to have the resources to do much into next summer. They have the same weather window Ukraine has, although Kiev claims they will continue to fight thru the mud season. So Russiadiesmt have a lot of time either. Contrary to Moscow’s claims, I don’t think Ukraine is on the verge of collapsing anytime soon, even with the loss of Chasiv Yar and Pokrovsk. |
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Posted: 9/20/2024 1:06:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Even if Russia seizes Prokrovsk well ha e to see how they exploit that. They could have enormous success or they could struggle to have the resources to do much into next summer. They have the same weather window Ukraine has, although Kiev claims they will continue to fight thru the mud season. So Russiadiesmt have a lot of time either. Contrary to Moscow’s claims, I don’t think Ukraine is on the verge of collapsing anytime soon, even with the loss of Chasiv Yar and Pokrovsk. Exploiting it consists of holding it. It's been the primary logistics transport hub for three directions due to the rail lines. |
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Posted: 9/20/2024 1:20:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Exploiting it consists of holding it. It's been the primary logistics transport hub for three directions due to the rail lines. Yeah, rail and highway and a little further west of the city, the coking coal mine Ukraine’s largest coal mine |
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Posted: 9/20/2024 1:27:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Yeah, rail and highway and a little further west of the city, the coking coal mine Ukraine’s largest coal mine Were watching 2028's ILE topic paper on assuming risk in mission planning unfold in real time. |
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Posted: 9/20/2024 5:30:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: GD: Russia is a threat! No, Russia was NEVER a threat! Okay, Russia is no longer a threat! No! Russia in now a BIGGER threat! Ironically, they weren't...until they got "defeated" by the collective west.
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Posted: 9/20/2024 9:16:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/09/18/deepstate-russian-forces-advanced-near-pokrovsk/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3261-3325720.jpg https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/09/17/isw-ukraine-advances-in-vovchansk-near-pokrovsk-russians-make-gains-near-kreminna-and-chasiv-yar/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3267-3325840.jpg I think Pokrovsk might be another Bakhmut. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 5:17:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Sounds like Kiev has moved on from ATACMs and is asking for cruise missiles?
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/21/biden-letting-ukraine-strike-deep-within-russia-key-to-ending-war-zelenskyy-says 
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Posted: 9/21/2024 5:29:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Ironically, they weren't...until they got "defeated" by the collective west.  Attached FileDefeated...who?  Attached File Attached File Attached File
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Posted: 9/21/2024 5:34:01 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Sounds like Kiev has moved on from ATACMs and is asking for cruise missiles? https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/21/biden-letting-ukraine-strike-deep-within-russia-key-to-ending-war-zelenskyy-says If there are concerns with ATACMs there's absolutely zero chance of actual cruise missiles being supplied by the US. There is no argument for burning "old stock", because we've been doing that in Syria and Yemen for 5+ years now. Missiles are also capable of life cycle refreshes. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 5:49:50 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: If there are concerns with ATACMs there's absolutely zero chance of actual cruise missiles being supplied by the US. There is no argument for burning "old stock", because we've been doing that in Syria and Yemen for 5+ years now. Missiles are also capable of life cycle refreshes. Do we even have a ground launched cruise missile system? I want to say the Marines were getting something but I could be making that up. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 6:11:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: fxntime]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it’s hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Surprised to see this take from an AF GO. Russian ground forces are becoming more numerous and production of equipment is increasing but it’s hard to find another category where they are better off now than before. They have fewer aircraft and ships, their reserves of armored vehicles are in short supply and their field grade officers took a beating. The adaptations they make to fight Ukraine make them LESS dangerous to NATO. It's all about more $$$$$$$$$$$$. The tail is wagging the dog. If they are winning, they need more $$$$ and guns. If they are losing, they need more $$$$$ and guns. Someone is always making lots and lots of money off those ''guns and bullets.'' All one needs to do is look who is making money off this war and who is getting rich. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 6:25:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: And yet, if Russia were not tied down in Ukraine, they could roll the Baltics in a day or two. And NATO would face the choice between giving up and mounting a major land offensive. With military force 10% of what it was in the early 90s. Muh air superiority! Missiles don't force occupiers to leave. Some kinds do...... |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 6:50:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: If there are concerns with ATACMs there's absolutely zero chance of actual cruise missiles being supplied by the US. There is no argument for burning "old stock", because we've been doing that in Syria and Yemen for 5+ years now. Missiles are also capable of life cycle refreshes. It’s sounding like time is of the essence and Kiev is banking on receiving approval of all their requests by November As it stands there have not been any continued advances into Russia, so I assume they’re intention is to use these weapons from where they’re currently controlling inside Russia https://www.kyivpost.com/post/39330  https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-20-2024   
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Posted: 9/21/2024 6:57:33 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Were watching 2028's ILE topic paper on assuming risk in mission planning unfold in real time. 
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Posted: 9/21/2024 7:16:29 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: It’s sounding like time is of the essence and Kiev is banking on receiving approval of all their requests by November As it stands there have not been any continued advances into Russia, so I assume they’re intention is to use these weapons from where they’re currently controlling inside Russia https://www.kyivpost.com/post/39330 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3534-3328179.jpg https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-20-2024 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3536-3328175.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3537-3328176.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3538-3328177.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By daemon734: If there are concerns with ATACMs there's absolutely zero chance of actual cruise missiles being supplied by the US. There is no argument for burning "old stock", because we've been doing that in Syria and Yemen for 5+ years now. Missiles are also capable of life cycle refreshes. It’s sounding like time is of the essence and Kiev is banking on receiving approval of all their requests by November As it stands there have not been any continued advances into Russia, so I assume they’re intention is to use these weapons from where they’re currently controlling inside Russia https://www.kyivpost.com/post/39330 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3534-3328179.jpg https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-20-2024 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3536-3328175.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3537-3328176.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3538-3328177.jpg It's smart. Laying the narrative that with the support they can take the fight to the Russians. If they don't get the support and lose the gains they can later say how they were stabbed in the back by the west at their most crucial moment. |
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