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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its the price. A Tesla model Y is $50k. No thanks.  Yep. If I'm going to buy an EV, I don't want luxury. I want a brand new econo shitbox for under $20k. The transition to EVs just isn't mathematically possible at these prices. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:24:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I can fill up in 5 minutes and have 400 miles range while towing, I'll consider buying one. If this is your need an EV is not for you. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are these EVs? There aren't any lower end ones anywhere around. My first thought was how many of these are the high dollar cars and trucks. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:25:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny to me that they say the reason is consumers are "wary" instead of saying no one (the vast majority of consumers) wants to buy them. It's a bullshit product on the whole. No one wants to buy one. Capitalism is speaking People do want to buy them. People don't want to pay $60k+ for them. Plus we're largely past the point of early adopters rushing out to buy them. It's more people waiting to replace existing vehicles as they wear out. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:26:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be interesting to see how it all turns out. I understand EV resale value ain't that great. Link to dirt cheap used Teslas or F150 Lightnings? |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only legacy auto EV sales are slowing. Tesla is doing better then ever. Their used prices seem to be dropping. .png)
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:28:39 PM EDT
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2ft of snow and -20°F with wind chills down to -30 for days on end vehicle has to sit outside at least 9 hours per day.
Maybe over night for a couple of nights... Since it's electric you can plug it in overnight. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:30:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their used prices seem to be dropping. https://assets-global.website-files.com/60ce1b7dd21cd5b42639ff42/641330b8bbdee0917e44d50c_Used%20Tesla%20Prices%20v16%20(1).png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Only legacy auto EV sales are slowing. Tesla is doing better then ever. Their used prices seem to be dropping. https://assets-global.website-files.com/60ce1b7dd21cd5b42639ff42/641330b8bbdee0917e44d50c_Used%20Tesla%20Prices%20v16%20(1).png That’s cause new prices dropped. No one is going to pay more for used then new. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:30:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Maybe they can decorate them for the next gay pride parade
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:30:35 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A normal IC engine car or truck can be expected to go 150-200k miles with maintenance, and a solid chance at a lot more. A significant improvement over ten years ago. Electric car battery longevity concerns are very real. My ‘22 M3 battery is rated to go 350-400k. The chassis 500-750k, all with no maintenance. What exactly is the concern? |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:35:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to dirt cheap used Teslas or F150 Lightnings? 2019 Model 3 for 23.5k: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=687349248&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2019&makeCode1=TESLA&modelCode1=TESMOD3&sem=1&store=&LNX=SPGOOGLENONBRANDVLA&utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=sem_listings-vla_perf&utm_campaign=at_na_na_national_evergreen_roi_na_na&utm_content=feed_na_na_na_na_spgooglenonbrandvla_na&utm_term=PRODUCT_GROUP&ds_rl=1289225&ds_rl=1294008&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwNHk_7OFgAMVic3ICh1KagW2EAQYBCABEgJ68PD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:36:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My ‘22 M3 battery is rated to go 350-400k. The chassis 500-750k, all with no maintenance. What exactly is the concern? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A normal IC engine car or truck can be expected to go 150-200k miles with maintenance, and a solid chance at a lot more. A significant improvement over ten years ago. Electric car battery longevity concerns are very real. My ‘22 M3 battery is rated to go 350-400k. The chassis 500-750k, all with no maintenance. What exactly is the concern? bUt AlL bAtTeRiEs WeAr OuT iN 2 tO 5 yEaRs!!! |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:37:23 PM EDT
[#14]
I'll take one for $1000.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:39:59 PM EDT
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All this green crap (cars, solar panels) are toxic shit, and can’t be disposed of in regular dumps.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:40:58 PM EDT
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Dealer markups have consequences
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s cause new prices dropped. No one is going to pay more for used then new. Why would a company selling such hot products be reducing their prices? And in the used market, 14k in value lost in 7 months kinda sucks. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:44:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny to me that they say the reason is consumers are "wary" instead of saying no one (the vast majority of consumers) wants to buy them. It's a bullshit product on the whole. No one wants to buy one. Capitalism is speaking |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:46:12 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think you can discount the inherent gay, homosexuality of Electric Vehicles. Hard to argue with this sentiment. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:47:21 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would a company selling such hot products be reducing their prices? And in the used market, 14k in value lost in 7 months kinda sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That’s cause new prices dropped. No one is going to pay more for used then new. Why would a company selling such hot products be reducing their prices? And in the used market, 14k in value lost in 7 months kinda sucks. Because the new tax bill had price caps in qualifying for the rebate, Tesla got it under that. Ford wonders why an MSRP of $80.5k is a bad idea when the price cap for the EV lighting is $80k for the $7500 rebate. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:48:57 PM EDT
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It isn’t just EVs. Most people can’t afford a $50K+ car with a 7% interest rate and this house of cards is starting to fall as we move further into a recession.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:50:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My ‘22 M3 battery is rated to go 350-400k. The chassis 500-750k, all with no maintenance. What exactly is the concern? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A normal IC engine car or truck can be expected to go 150-200k miles with maintenance, and a solid chance at a lot more. A significant improvement over ten years ago. Electric car battery longevity concerns are very real. My ‘22 M3 battery is rated to go 350-400k. The chassis 500-750k, all with no maintenance. What exactly is the concern? That if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. What car are you talking about by the way. I searched and don’t see a 22’ bmw m3 ev. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I won't even by an electric golf cart for around the house. I hope the execs" that drank the koolaid choke on it. They're going to have some 'splainin' to do to their creditors, shareholders, dealers, people who own vehicles that they made that are under warranty, etc. ETA here's the 2023 electric Mercedes loaner vehicle that I drove for 10 days last month. I have little positive to say about it and much negative, but let's stay grounded in this thread. I'll spark up another if I feel like ranting about it.   |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to argue with this sentiment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think you can discount the inherent gay, homosexuality of Electric Vehicles. Hard to argue with this sentiment. Yeah, crank up the Active Noise Control to pump V-8 sounds through the speakers, so you don’t have tohear the washer in spin cycle sounds… |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Link to dirt cheap used Teslas or F150 Lightnings? 2019 Model 3 for 23.5k: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=687349248&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2019&makeCode1=TESLA&modelCode1=TESMOD3&sem=1&store=&LNX=SPGOOGLENONBRANDVLA&utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=sem_listings-vla_perf&utm_campaign=at_na_na_national_evergreen_roi_na_na&utm_content=feed_na_na_na_na_spgooglenonbrandvla_na&utm_term=PRODUCT_GROUP&ds_rl=1289225&ds_rl=1294008&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwNHk_7OFgAMVic3ICh1KagW2EAQYBCABEgJ68PD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds It has 143,000 miles on it. For 23k you could get a Camry with much lower miles that would in all likelihood greatly outlast the Tesla before needing an expensive repair. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:53:38 PM EDT
[#26]
EVs are expensive. All expensive cars are sitting on lots.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:55:18 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. What car are you talking about by the way. I searched and don’t see a 22’ bmw m3 ev. M3 = Tesla model 3. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:57:12 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M3 = Tesla model 3. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. What car are you talking about by the way. I searched and don’t see a 22’ bmw m3 ev. M3 = Tesla model 3. Ok cool. I trust a Tesla to do that way more than a bmw. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:59:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. If I'm going to buy an EV, I don't want luxury. I want a brand new econo shitbox for under $20k. The transition to EVs just isn't mathematically possible at these prices. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its the price. A Tesla model Y is $50k. No thanks. Yep. If I'm going to buy an EV, I don't want luxury. I want a brand new econo shitbox for under $20k. The transition to EVs just isn't mathematically possible at these prices. This. I would not mind a new basic EV car with a 200 mile range for 15~20K (depending on options) to use for around town/ commuter so long as it had a full 100k miles 10 year powertrain/ drivetrain warranty. Even with current recharge rates and times I think a lot more people would consider them if this was the case. But there is a reason they don't offer that, because its not possible at this point. It would be an extra car for me. Beyond that I have zero interest in having an EV as my only vehicle. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 8:59:18 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A normal IC engine car or truck can be expected to go 150-200k miles with maintenance, and a solid chance at a lot more. A significant improvement over ten years ago. Electric car battery longevity concerns are very real. Older modern engines yes. New low displacement always in boost weezy turbo motors, I'd be shocked to see them or their 11 speed transmissions go 150k miles. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:01:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryYou do realize that Model 3 has retained its value better than a comparable ICE cars at 150k miles? Not exactly evidence that "EV resale value ain't that great." |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:02:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Say hello to cash for clunkers 2.0
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:05:04 PM EDT
[#33]
#TeamUnPlug
@WhiskersTheCat |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:06:18 PM EDT
[#34]
Friend who sells at the Ford dealership
E-stang = 5300lbs Mustang Gt = 3800lbs I asked, "how is the E-stang for tire/tread lift?" His response - "Don't ask" "Fun" EV are not for poor people. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:06:39 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just googled ford mustang mach e. These is what popped up in the google search. Seriously who would pay those prices for that? All the buyers for those already bought them apparently. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473532/IMG_1187_jpeg-2881270.JPG Holy shit! 75k for a Mystichrome Terminator…..wow. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:06:42 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote History9k off a 4 year old used car with 150k miles isn't what I consider dirt cheap, but it's not a bad price. If it was a dual motor I'd be giving them a call though. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:06:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Say hello to cash for clunkers 2.0 God I hope not. That will destroy the used market (again.) |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:07:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Ford is not building enough gas powered trucks to keep up with demand. I hope they choke on the electric trucks.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:07:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My house is 20 years old. There is no room on the panel for a dedicated charging circuit. Why they hell would I buy a burden. What amperage, what size panel. If less than 200a, what heating/cooking do you have? Electric or gas? Im not yet convinced you have an issue. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:08:14 PM EDT
[#40]
If I could pick up a small commuter EV for a measly 20k I'd be in for a daily commuter.
I'd keep my gas guzzling F150 for weekends, hunting, and camping. But they're not 20k. They're 50k and I don't want that to be my only vehicle. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:08:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If this is your need an EV is not for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When I can fill up in 5 minutes and have 400 miles range while towing, I'll consider buying one. If this is your need an EV is not for you. There is nothing wrong with an EV with 250 mile range - just stop pretending its something its not. If you haul long distances with lots of heavy shit for fun/work an electric truck is not the "best of both worlds". Ignore what the literature says ... deal with reality for once. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:10:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: EVs are expensive. All expensive cars are sitting on lots. And add in another $5000 to have a home charging circuit installed in the garage, if it’s even possible. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:11:25 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: #TeamUnPlug @WhiskersTheCat We will find them. And we will unplug them |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:11:46 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People do want to buy them. People don't want to pay $60k+ for them. Plus we're largely past the point of early adopters rushing out to buy them. It's more people waiting to replace existing vehicles as they wear out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's funny to me that they say the reason is consumers are "wary" instead of saying no one (the vast majority of consumers) wants to buy them. It's a bullshit product on the whole. No one wants to buy one. Capitalism is speaking People do want to buy them. People don't want to pay $60k+ for them. Plus we're largely past the point of early adopters rushing out to buy them. It's more people waiting to replace existing vehicles as they wear out.  I don't think the industry has really found a feature/need that "crosses the chasm" yet for each vehicle market. The true consumer "convince" is not really there yet. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:13:12 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Tesla comes out with a $25k Model 2.... I would buy one. I'd have it as a second car, mostly for local driving and shit. This. I'd consider one of it were cheap as a commuter |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:13:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ford is not building enough gas powered trucks to keep up with demand. I hope they choke on the electric trucks. Used F150/F250 prices are rather "interesting". |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:13:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope they choke on them. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:15:23 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: God I hope not. That will destroy the used market (again.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say hello to cash for clunkers 2.0 God I hope not. That will destroy the used market (again.) |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:15:52 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. What car are you talking about by the way. I searched and don’t see a 22’ bmw m3 ev. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A normal IC engine car or truck can be expected to go 150-200k miles with maintenance, and a solid chance at a lot more. A significant improvement over ten years ago. Electric car battery longevity concerns are very real. My ‘22 M3 battery is rated to go 350-400k. The chassis 500-750k, all with no maintenance. What exactly is the concern? That if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. What car are you talking about by the way. I searched and don’t see a 22’ bmw m3 ev. 2022 Tesla Model 3 long range. How exactly is it too good to be true? There are no parts to break, nothing to service, and nothing to kill the batteries prematurely. In the 1.5 years I’ve had it, I have had less than 5% drop in total range. Tesla claims up to 10% the first few years and I’m well below that. No concerns whatsoever… but I’ll trade it in for a Model S Plaid long before it’s even close to 150k miles. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:16:59 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And add in another $5000 to have a home charging circuit installed in the garage, if it’s even possible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: EVs are expensive. All expensive cars are sitting on lots. And add in another $5000 to have a home charging circuit installed in the garage, if it’s even possible. Mine was $190 for a level 2 charger. |
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