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Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Like in NY? I don’t know anybody who registered under SAFE. Things went out of state temporarily, were made “Compliant,” or just went undocumented. The only people I known who registered were cops who had to because of work mandates. Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By thesquidliest: How long before both sides start saying "yeah, fuck you, not obeying your laws" whenever the opposing party wins? Like in NY? I don’t know anybody who registered under SAFE. Things went out of state temporarily, were made “Compliant,” or just went undocumented. The only people I known who registered were cops who had to because of work mandates. Correct. Last stats cited were something like 3% actually complied with the unconstitutional New York law. |
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Originally Posted By Need4Guns: Its really not. Most of whatever gets passed will be ignored. Again, I post this map. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/524356/1000003134-3655393.jpg That's not to say that we shouldn't be openly defying what's coming down the pike, just that in the grand scheme of things it's going to be toothless for 87% of the state. Originally Posted By Need4Guns: Originally Posted By Lawless_Flogic: Is it that bad out there? Even in CA I went to ranges where people shot LCMs and AWs along with cops and didn't worry about it. As laws got worse, some said "shiny, let's be bad guys" or "after the first felony, the rest are free". There are a lot of 3d printers going brrr, there. Its really not. Most of whatever gets passed will be ignored. Again, I post this map. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/524356/1000003134-3655393.jpg That's not to say that we shouldn't be openly defying what's coming down the pike, just that in the grand scheme of things it's going to be toothless for 87% of the state. Those maps really don't mean anything. |
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Originally Posted By BlackFox: @Need4Guns Fair enough! That said, this is a discussion board. If you're looking for someone like Moses who has it all figured out with tablets from the mountain - I am definitely not that guy! I don't have the answer. It's a discussion and I welcome feedback and brainstorming. I don't think doing the exact same thing is the right answer. I firmly believe the long-term answer is not COC compliant. The question is how fast that comes and what we can do to delay it. Lobby Day 2020 was wildly successful. I literally can't imagine anything that would be more powerful or impactful than that day. Through my travels years later I met people in Asia and Europe who saw us stand and were in awe. Yet here we are - a mere 5 years later facing down the same tyrants who want to disarm us. At some point a threat must be backed by action. I don't know what that looks like. Repeating LD 2020 would be the easy button, but that's a fantasy unless the Virginia government gives us a clear cause. Our forefathers still whispered in taverns at this stage, and as I said on the stage in Lobby Day 2020 - they did everything they could avoid conflict. They cleaned the ships at the tea harbor when they were done - just like our compatriots cleaned up Richmond when we were done. Our forefathers negotiated and tried diplomacy until it didn't work - just as we are. Our forefathers ultimately paid the butchers bill when none of that worked. I hope we end up with a different outcome. There's no way in hell I'm disarming, though, and I'm willing to die on that hill and support our brothers in Virginia (assuming they're willing to stand for themselves). There's nothing we're lacking that our forefathers had. They took the same steps we are. Stand if we must but realize it's a token at some point. Your first paragraph you say the long term is not COC but how can we delay it. What are your ideas on how to delay it and furthermore, if you know what the long term is ultimately going to be, as Doc Holiday said, why wait? I'm not a ARF super operater but it seems like if you know for sure there's going to be a skirmish you'd want to be on the offensive, as hard as that is for the conservatives to hear. Your second paragraph basically reaffirms what I'm saying above. If you're going to act, act. Your last paragraph is just reiterating what I originally said, and what you alluded to, that we don't have the same "whispering in taverns" type of cover that they did. We can't even talk about what ultimately needs to be done even if we're trying to avoid it. @blackfox |
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Originally Posted By Josh: Those maps really don't mean anything. The hell they don't. Yeah you can still get hemmed up by VSP but outside of that, unless you live in a commie county the local LE is going to give exactly two shits about what unconstitutional shit the state passed. You can take that to the bank, unless you live in a commie county (sounds like maybe you do). |
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Originally Posted By BlackFox: @Need4Guns Fair enough! That said, this is a discussion board. If you're looking for someone like Moses who has it all figured out with tablets from the mountain - I am definitely not that guy! I don't have the answer. It's a discussion and I welcome feedback and brainstorming. I don't think doing the exact same thing is the right answer. I firmly believe the long-term answer is not COC compliant. The question is how fast that comes and what we can do to delay it. Lobby Day 2020 was wildly successful. I literally can't imagine anything that would be more powerful or impactful than that day. Through my travels years later I met people in Asia and Europe who saw us stand and were in awe. Yet here we are - a mere 5 years later facing down the same tyrants who want to disarm us. At some point a threat must be backed by action. I don't know what that looks like. Repeating LD 2020 would be the easy button, but that's a fantasy unless the Virginia government gives us a clear cause. Our forefathers still whispered in taverns at this stage, and as I said on the stage in Lobby Day 2020 - they did everything they could avoid conflict. They cleaned the ships at the tea harbor when they were done - just like our compatriots cleaned up Richmond when we were done. Our forefathers negotiated and tried diplomacy until it didn't work - just as we are. Our forefathers ultimately paid the butchers bill when none of that worked. I hope we end up with a different outcome. There's no way in hell I'm disarming, though, and I'm willing to die on that hill and support our brothers in Virginia (assuming they're willing to stand for themselves). There's nothing we're lacking that our forefathers had. They took the same steps we are. Stand if we must but realize it's a token at some point. @blackfox For the second time in my life, I’d like to say thank you sir. There may come a time when your offer is needed. I hope that isn’t the case but time will tell. We will see if the others decide to show up, if there’s many still around, and see what their thoughts are on the matter. VA 1-13 |
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Originally Posted By BlackFox: We did march. It got their attention, and they took their time and passed laws against peaceable (armed) assembly. While I'll hang my hat on that day years ago, I don't know that we moved the needle in the long run. The whole world saw us stand (and it mattered to them!) but 5 years later we're right back to zero. The governor fleeing is not the litmus test for success (as fun as it was). The litmus test is whether they try again the next year to pass gun control (or the year after, or the year after) unafraid of us. They only need one complacent year and the stars aligning to accomplish everything they want. They still don't fear us or understand the consequences of their actions. The law enforcement community still doesn't rally to our side. I still believe Jan 6 was a Reichstag fire organized in response to Lobby Day. It was a message sent (and received): "Don't get uppity again." I'm not above standing up, but we need to be smart about it. Let's face it - we're not going to vote or assemble our way out of this. It helps and postpones, but it doesn't solve the long-term problem. The biggest benefit of Lobby Day 2020 was the networking, the precedent and the credibility. We now know we're not along or powerless. We know we are the many. It didn't change the battle with our opponents. It helped us organize and understand what we're up against. This isn't about memes or chasing the governor out of Virginia. This is about legitimately preparing for unconstitutional laws and how we react. Lobby Day was easy. What comes next is hard. I'm not convinced Lobby Day 2.0 is the right move. I'm not sure what is the right move, but doing the same thing again 6 years later isn't it. I still stand openly with all here. The game board has changed and we need to adapt our strategy. Unless I'm missing something - Lobby Day 2026 isn't going to have the impact of Lobby Day 2020. I'd love to be wrong, because armed woodstock was a great time once we got the feeling back in our toes and realized we weren't going to get shot that day!! @BlackFox What you all did that day was incredible. You said it yourself "The biggest benefit of Lobby Day 2020 was the networking". The only mistake was in not capitalizing on that by building a political organization around it. By all accounts the VCDL does great work and maybe they could have evolved into the type of organization needed with a better realization of what was needed at that time but they clearly were not able to make the switch. Everyone says "we're not voting our way out of this" when the reality is that a large number of the people who say that don't even bother voting regularly or doing the much more effective but really hard work of recruiting candidates and helping them get elected much less even learning who to vote for. All politics is local and politics is how you regain power. To win back the ground they lost, patriots need to quit leaving it up to other people and get really involved. Learn how to be effective politically, recruit candidates who think like you (or be that candidate) and put in the real work of getting voters to turn out. Candidates I recruit are not people I generally have to worry about when it comes to tough votes. Virginia has the most effective conservative political training organization in the world (Leadership Institute). They offer an immense amount of free or low cost training online and in person. I'm flying to Arlington in a couple weeks for a course. When Lobby Day happened I was a guy working in a bicycle shop and too broke to make the trip to join you. The next year I formed a PAC to fight Covid rules locally, ended up taking over and remaking my county republican party and am now the treasurer of the KS GOP and helping candidates and counties across my state win. It means my life is on a very different path than 5 years ago but that is what was required to create a positive change. If people aren't willing to even vote consistently much less get really involved they will never be able to get the change they want. |
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Originally Posted By Need4Guns: Its really not. Most of whatever gets passed will be ignored. Again, I post this map. Attached File That's not to say that we shouldn't be openly defying what's coming down the pike, just that in the grand scheme of things it's going to be toothless for 87% of the state. With that map how do the democrats have a 55-45 majority in the House of Delegates? |
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Originally Posted By Lomshek: With that map how do the democrats have a 55-45 majority in the House of Delegates? Originally Posted By Lomshek: Originally Posted By Need4Guns: Its really not. Most of whatever gets passed will be ignored. Again, I post this map. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/524356/1000003134-3655393.jpg That's not to say that we shouldn't be openly defying what's coming down the pike, just that in the grand scheme of things it's going to be toothless for 87% of the state. With that map how do the democrats have a 55-45 majority in the House of Delegates? Land doesn't vote. I don't know the current map, but somewhere in this thread is the proposed map which puts one of each of the bad counties in all but one of the districts, and I bet the bad counties have buttloads of Democrats. Watched that happen in CA, too. |
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Originally Posted By Lomshek: With that map how do the democrats have a 55-45 majority in the House of Delegates? That map is several years old. In 2019 and 2020, my county had thousands of people turn out at 2A sanctuary meetings. Now, just over 5 years later, there are dozens of multi-family dwellings that didn't exist when that map was made. There are Walmarts here where virtually no one speaks English anymore. And my county, which voted for Trump in 2016 and Youngkin in 2021, went for Spanberger by 18 fucking points. This is a completely different county from what it was in 2019. Yet somehow, the same sheriff from 2019 is still getting elected. Would you gamble on him not enforcing unconstitutional laws? With all due respect to everyone involved, that map gives me absolutely no solace. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: I think there are already states in the US right now that are the future of Va. A magazine limit. Nothing that is capable of accepting any magazine that will hold more than 8 or 10 rounds. If they tried to get rid of bolt guns and shotguns the rich fuds would throw a hissy fit. The fuds will be fine with banning "assault weapons". That's our fellow Virginia gun owners. If the last big lobby day had been ONLY about UBCs and magazine limits it would have been a LOT smaller. Like the one that used to be a member here that posted those of us from other states shouldn’t be at Lobby Day. |
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Originally Posted By runcible:  Exactly. For the government, it's "confiscation without the trouble or expense of confiscation." Literally, a win/win for their side.Ending legal gun ownership in a generation is a win for Democrats. I read that Utah is supposedly going to have a population increase from 3.6 million to 5.6 million by 2065. Maybe My head will be on a robot body open carrying at Kroger https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-population-expected-to-explode-by-millions-over-decades-report-shows |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: When those gun owners die, their kids mostly will get rid of those illegal guns as quickly and legally as they can so they are not the ones who end up in prison for their parents hobby/beliefs/investments. I'm surprised an actual ban on AR-15s was found to be constitutional. States rights I guess. Seems like an obvious constitutional problem to me. |
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Originally Posted By Need4Guns: The hell they don't. Yeah you can still get hemmed up by VSP but outside of that, unless you live in a commie county the local LE is going to give exactly two shits about what unconstitutional shit the state passed. You can take that to the bank, unless you live in a commie county (sounds like maybe you do). Stopping legislation or federal court intervention are the only realistic options for stopping gun control. Marijuana type non compliance doesn't work with firearms laws |
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Originally Posted By BlackFox: We did march. It got their attention, and they took their time and passed laws against peaceable (armed) assembly. While I'll hang my hat on that day years ago, I don't know that we moved the needle in the long run. The whole world saw us stand (and it mattered to them!) but 5 years later we're right back to zero. The governor fleeing is not the litmus test for success (as fun as it was). The litmus test is whether they try again the next year to pass gun control (or the year after, or the year after) unafraid of us. They only need one complacent year and the stars aligning to accomplish everything they want. They still don't fear us or understand the consequences of their actions. The law enforcement community still doesn't rally to our side. I still believe Jan 6 was a Reichstag fire organized in response to Lobby Day. It was a message sent (and received): "Don't get uppity again." I'm not above standing up, but we need to be smart about it. Let's face it - we're not going to vote or assemble our way out of this. It helps and postpones, but it doesn't solve the long-term problem. The biggest benefit of Lobby Day 2020 was the networking, the precedent and the credibility. We now know we're not along or powerless. We know we are the many. It didn't change the battle with our opponents. It helped us organize and understand what we're up against. This isn't about memes or chasing the governor out of Virginia. This is about legitimately preparing for unconstitutional laws and how we react. Lobby Day was easy. What comes next is hard. I'm not convinced Lobby Day 2.0 is the right move. I'm not sure what is the right move, but doing the same thing again 6 years later isn't it. I still stand openly with all here. The game board has changed and we need to adapt our strategy. Unless I'm missing something - Lobby Day 2026 isn't going to have the impact of Lobby Day 2020. I'd love to be wrong, because armed woodstock was a great time once we got the feeling back in our toes and realized we weren't going to get shot that day!! Originally Posted By BlackFox: Originally Posted By rb889: 100,000 armed folks marching around the capitol would get their attention. If we get another massive lobby day, what’s the over/under on the CIA karen fleeing the capitol like nutless Northam did? We did march. It got their attention, and they took their time and passed laws against peaceable (armed) assembly. While I'll hang my hat on that day years ago, I don't know that we moved the needle in the long run. The whole world saw us stand (and it mattered to them!) but 5 years later we're right back to zero. The governor fleeing is not the litmus test for success (as fun as it was). The litmus test is whether they try again the next year to pass gun control (or the year after, or the year after) unafraid of us. They only need one complacent year and the stars aligning to accomplish everything they want. They still don't fear us or understand the consequences of their actions. The law enforcement community still doesn't rally to our side. I still believe Jan 6 was a Reichstag fire organized in response to Lobby Day. It was a message sent (and received): "Don't get uppity again." I'm not above standing up, but we need to be smart about it. Let's face it - we're not going to vote or assemble our way out of this. It helps and postpones, but it doesn't solve the long-term problem. The biggest benefit of Lobby Day 2020 was the networking, the precedent and the credibility. We now know we're not along or powerless. We know we are the many. It didn't change the battle with our opponents. It helped us organize and understand what we're up against. This isn't about memes or chasing the governor out of Virginia. This is about legitimately preparing for unconstitutional laws and how we react. Lobby Day was easy. What comes next is hard. I'm not convinced Lobby Day 2.0 is the right move. I'm not sure what is the right move, but doing the same thing again 6 years later isn't it. I still stand openly with all here. The game board has changed and we need to adapt our strategy. Unless I'm missing something - Lobby Day 2026 isn't going to have the impact of Lobby Day 2020. I'd love to be wrong, because armed woodstock was a great time once we got the feeling back in our toes and realized we weren't going to get shot that day!! I agree 100%, especially with the Jan 6 comparison to the Reichstag Fire. Some of the stories I have heard about what happened before, during, and after LD really hammered home just how scared the government was, and they cannot have that. So they manufactured a reason to demonstrate their reach. And it worked. People became scared to go to rallies. To go to meet ups. Everything is now a “honeypot” with Feds everywhere. It reminds me of the post-OKC militia movement. |
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Just look at MD to see how things will go. It didn't happen overnight, it started in 1982 with the election of Schafer and continued to go downhill. The worst part is the gerrymandering which gave the leftists a super majority in the General Assembly. That's the most damaging part, because they do whatever they want, governor be damned. |
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Originally Posted By Need4Guns: A proper LD '26 would likely be the spark that sets things off on a nationwide level. We agree that we're not voting our way out of this but the only response is we "need to adapt our strategy ". What does that mean? We're all basically dancing around what we can't openly talk about but that we all know needs to happen, yet too many folks don't have the fortitude to do anyway. Part of that is the comfortable lifestyle we all live while complaining, but part of it is basically not caring about where things are heading because....IDK. What was it our forefathers had that seems to be lacking in our current imminent situation? Very good post overall...but that part is even more so. If we acknowledge that Lobby Day 2.0 won't work and neither will voting...what's left? |
Grandfathering weapons only puts off until tomorrow what tyranny cannot accomplish today.
The only people made safer by gun control are criminals and tyrants.
The only people made safer by gun control are criminals and tyrants.
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Originally Posted By Lawless_Flogic: Land doesn't vote. I don't know the current map, but somewhere in this thread is the proposed map which puts one of each of the bad counties in all but one of the districts, and I bet the bad counties have buttloads of Democrats. Watched that happen in CA, too. Maybe that whole have to be a landowner to vote business wasn’t so bad after all. |
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Originally Posted By IIA: CO has a mag ban. You can walk into any LGS in CO and buy 30rnd mags. You used to be able to do that. Unfortunately, CBI started cracking down on gun stores after SB25-003. I know of two shops that had visits from CBI, and they charged individual employees at those stores for transferring the magazines. After the charges, both stores have the "prohibited" magazines behind the counter and you have to have one of the exemptions to purchase them. There is another store that has modified 30 round magazines with rivets to prevent the loading of more than 15 rounds. The other disturbing/unconstitutional issue is that SB25-003 amended 18-12-302 and bans possession of any magazine with a capacity over 15 rounds regardless of date of manufacture or whether you possessed it prior to 2013. https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/beta.leg.colorado.gov/054c2048f9c130ee287d28de976925a7 In Colorado, we have an uphill battle to overturn all of this, and the democrats will use what they did here as a model throughout the country. Good luck Virginia. |
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Special election to replace the new Lt Gov - 15th District Senator Ghazala Hashmi won the Lieutenant Governor seat. Now her Chesterfield senate seat in district 15 is now open. CURT POWELL ANNOUNCES RUN Marine Combat Veteran White House Liaison Officer – Presidential Service Award DHS Gold Medal for Transportation Security Business owner Father Leader 2024 Veteran of the Year for the 4th Congressional District A Virginian for 31 years Mentor Coordinator, Chesterfield County Veterans Treatment Docket Elder, Chester Presbyterian Church Chair, Kairos Prison Ministry Sussex 1 State Prison Board Member, Military Officers of America Alumni, Chesterfield County Citizen’s Police Academy |
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Originally Posted By apexcrusade: Special election to replace the new Lt Gov - 15th District Senator Ghazala Hashmi won the Lieutenant Governor seat. Now her Chesterfield senate seat in district 15 is now open. CURT POWELL ANNOUNCES RUN Marine Combat Veteran White House Liaison Officer – Presidential Service Award DHS Gold Medal for Transportation Security Business owner Father Leader 2024 Veteran of the Year for the 4th Congressional District A Virginian for 31 years Mentor Coordinator, Chesterfield County Veterans Treatment Docket Elder, Chester Presbyterian Church Chair, Kairos Prison Ministry Sussex 1 State Prison Board Member, Military Officers of America Alumni, Chesterfield County Citizen’s Police Academy I guess we can hope for turn out. Chesterfield had 25,000 to 30,000 more Dem votes than Republicans a few weeks ago. In 2024 Trump lost Chesterfield by nearly 20,000 votes to Harris. I don't see it changing much in the next election. https://enr.elections.virginia.gov/results/public/chesterfield-county/elections/2025-November-General |
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Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Very good post overall...but that part is even more so. If we acknowledge that Lobby Day 2.0 won't work and neither will voting...what's left? That part encompasses more than just Gun shit. The West itself is dying out under Progressive policies. We lost the Cold War. I don't care if someone says we won it, doesn't look like it to me. If I go outside to touch grass, the problems facing this nation and others are all still there. |
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Originally Posted By Need4Guns: Its really not. Most of whatever gets passed will be ignored. Again, I post this map. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/524356/1000003134-3655393.jpg That's not to say that we shouldn't be openly defying what's coming down the pike, just that in the grand scheme of things it's going to be toothless for 87% of the state. A lot of firearms transfer and purchase laws are enforced by the State Police. Local agencies typically handle things when they encounter them in use of a crime or some other direct circumstances. While these sanctuary locations were declared, how does that protect individuals from VSP special agents not locking them up and the local judge not honoring the case? I realize the sheriffs stood in solidarity with us, but their declination to enforce is not synonymous with intervening and prohibiting the state from its own investigations. |
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Originally Posted By chmodx: A lot of firearms transfer and purchase laws are enforced by the State Police. Local agencies typically handle things when they encounter them in use of a crime or some other direct circumstances. While these sanctuary locations were declared, how does that protect individuals from VSP special agents not locking them up and the local judge not honoring the case? I realize the sheriffs stood in solidarity with us, but their declination to enforce is not synonymous with intervening and prohibiting the state from its own investigations. Sanctuary locations do not protect individuals from LE action. |
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Originally Posted By rat_6: [ quoting BlackFox ] This is well said. I agree with all of your points. Simply repeating LD 2020 will not have the same effect. I’m not sure if there is anyone left to influence this time around. Didn't they town of Richmond or whatever pass a law to make it so we cannot carry anything down there? |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: Didn't they town of Richmond or whatever pass a law to make it so we cannot carry anything down there? Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By rat_6: [ quoting BlackFox ] This is well said. I agree with all of your points. Simply repeating LD 2020 will not have the same effect. I’m not sure if there is anyone left to influence this time around. Didn't they town of Richmond or whatever pass a law to make it so we cannot carry anything down there? They did, not long after the last visit. I feel though they greatly underestimate the level of “give a fuck” about what laws they pass when Va natives are in a rowdy mood. As I said countless times the last go around, it’s all fun and games until the ole boys come out of the mountains. Right now they are occupied with hunting and things are still early. |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Sanctuary locations do not protect individuals from LE action. Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Originally Posted By chmodx: A lot of firearms transfer and purchase laws are enforced by the State Police. Local agencies typically handle things when they encounter them in use of a crime or some other direct circumstances. While these sanctuary locations were declared, how does that protect individuals from VSP special agents not locking them up and the local judge not honoring the case? I realize the sheriffs stood in solidarity with us, but their declination to enforce is not synonymous with intervening and prohibiting the state from its own investigations. Sanctuary locations do not protect individuals from LE action. No, but it will be very costly to bring in outside resources which is what they will be required to do. The ordinances did include verbiage that the locals couldn’t/wouldn’t come get them. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: Didn't they town of Richmond or whatever pass a law to make it so we cannot carry anything down there? Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By rat_6: [ quoting BlackFox ] This is well said. I agree with all of your points. Simply repeating LD 2020 will not have the same effect. I’m not sure if there is anyone left to influence this time around. Didn't they town of Richmond or whatever pass a law to make it so we cannot carry anything down there? My understanding is that you can't stage a static protest while armed - meaning that you've stopped and are standing still. What they did at Lobby Day 2021 was just slowly walk around the block. I believe Virginia still has some law around getting a permit for assembling in numbers great than 3 people. In Virginia, participating in an unlawful assembly is a Class 1 misdemeanor, which becomes a Class 5 felony if the participant carries a deadly weapon. The code defines an unlawful assembly as the meeting of three or more people with the intent to commit acts of violence that are likely to endanger public safety, peace, or order, and which does cause fear of a breach of peace. Other related offenses include staying at an unlawful assembly after being warned to disperse, which is a Class 3 misdemeanor. |
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Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Very good post overall...but that part is even more so. If we acknowledge that Lobby Day 2.0 won't work and neither will voting...what's left? Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Originally Posted By Need4Guns: A proper LD '26 would likely be the spark that sets things off on a nationwide level. We agree that we're not voting our way out of this but the only response is we "need to adapt our strategy ". What does that mean? We're all basically dancing around what we can't openly talk about but that we all know needs to happen, yet too many folks don't have the fortitude to do anyway. Part of that is the comfortable lifestyle we all live while complaining, but part of it is basically not caring about where things are heading because....IDK. What was it our forefathers had that seems to be lacking in our current imminent situation? Very good post overall...but that part is even more so. If we acknowledge that Lobby Day 2.0 won't work and neither will voting...what's left? How I see our options: (1) Vote and protest and hopefully slow it down or buy time. We make representatives worry about being reelected. This relies upon our belief structure being mainstream enough to win a majority election. (2) Representatives no longer fear us or repercussions of their actions. It's illegal (both in this forum and in the US) to threaten representatives, so we won't explore that here. (3) Loud and open non-compliance in a way that we hang or succeed together. These options are not mutually exclusive. |
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Originally Posted By BlackFox: How I see our options: (1) Vote and protest and hopefully slow it down or buy time. We make representatives worry about being reelected. This relies upon our belief structure being mainstream enough to win a majority election. (2) Representatives no longer fear us or repercussions of their actions. It's illegal (both in this forum and in the US) to threaten representatives, so we won't explore that here. (3) Loud and open non-compliance in a way that we hang or succeed together. These options are not mutually exclusive. Originally Posted By BlackFox: Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Originally Posted By Need4Guns: A proper LD '26 would likely be the spark that sets things off on a nationwide level. We agree that we're not voting our way out of this but the only response is we "need to adapt our strategy ". What does that mean? We're all basically dancing around what we can't openly talk about but that we all know needs to happen, yet too many folks don't have the fortitude to do anyway. Part of that is the comfortable lifestyle we all live while complaining, but part of it is basically not caring about where things are heading because....IDK. What was it our forefathers had that seems to be lacking in our current imminent situation? Very good post overall...but that part is even more so. If we acknowledge that Lobby Day 2.0 won't work and neither will voting...what's left? How I see our options: (1) Vote and protest and hopefully slow it down or buy time. We make representatives worry about being reelected. This relies upon our belief structure being mainstream enough to win a majority election. (2) Representatives no longer fear us or repercussions of their actions. It's illegal (both in this forum and in the US) to threaten representatives, so we won't explore that here. (3) Loud and open non-compliance in a way that we hang or succeed together. These options are not mutually exclusive. We need to focus resources and apply them in the best manner we can. The option of doing nothing at all is not an option. |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: The coming Californication of VA https://washingtonian.com/2025/11/19/spanberger-first-100-days-virginia-democrats-agenda/ VA Senate Majority Leader Surovell: It is as clear as day. Buy/sell what you want NOW. They WILL push it through. They are irate because of MAGA, and they will throw their fit in VA. Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: The coming Californication of VA Abigail Spanberger’s First 100 Days: What Virginians Can Expect From Their Next Governor https://washingtonian.com/2025/11/19/spanberger-first-100-days-virginia-democrats-agenda/ VA Senate Majority Leader Surovell: Surovell says Democrats want to pursue measures including a ban on AR-15-style rifles and stronger safe-storage rules. No bills are filed yet, but that doesn’t mean they are off the table. It is as clear as day. Buy/sell what you want NOW. They WILL push it through. They are irate because of MAGA, and they will throw their fit in VA. And when you got yours, they'll repeal the grandfather clause. Surrender them for $300 ea or get a felony, which surrenders them for $0. Oh, and while the FBI may not keep 4473 records, the VSP absolutely keeps records of transactions, so Jones can send the VSP to come shoot your kids and dogs. |
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@ka-tetof1 You know I’ll stand with you brother. Good to see you’re still around Originally Posted By ka-tetof1: @blackfox For the second time in my life, I’d like to say thank you sir. There may come a time when your offer is needed. I hope that isn’t the case but time will tell. We will see if the others decide to show up, if there’s many still around, and see what their thoughts are on the matter. VA 1-13 |
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BILLS FILED FOR THE UPCOMING 2026 GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION (as of NOV 20) Just one of many. No other gun-related at the moment SB27 Status: In Committee Firearm industry members; standards of responsible conduct, civil liability. Patron Introduced by: Jennifer D. Carroll Foy (Chief Patron) Summary As Introduced Firearm industry members; standards of responsible conduct; civil liability. Creates standards of responsible conduct for firearm industry members and requires such members to establish and implement reasonable controls regarding the manufacture, sale, distribution, use, and marketing of the firearm industry member's firearm-related products, as those terms are defined in the bill. Such reasonable controls include reasonable procedures, safeguards, and business practices that are designed to (i) prevent the sale or distribution of a firearm-related product to a straw purchaser, a firearm trafficker, a person prohibited from possessing a firearm under state or federal law, or a person who the firearm industry member has reasonable cause to believe is at substantial risk of using a firearm-related product to harm themselves or unlawfully harm another or of unlawfully possessing or using a firearm-related product; (ii) prevent the loss of a firearm-related product or theft of a firearm-related product from a firearm industry member; (iii) ensure that the firearm industry member complies with all provisions of state and federal law and does not otherwise promote the unlawful manufacture, sale, possession, marketing, or use of a firearm-related product; and (iv) ensure that the firearm industry member does not engage in an act or practice in violation of the Virginia Consumer Protection Act. The bill also provides that a firearm industry member may not knowingly or recklessly create, maintain, or contribute to a public nuisance, as defined in the bill, through the sale, manufacturing, importing, or marketing of a firearm-related product. The bill creates a civil cause of action for the Attorney General or a local county or city attorney to enforce the provisions of the bill or for any person who has been injured as a result of a firearm industry member's violation to seek an injunction and to recover costs and damages. |
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus: And when you got yours, they'll repeal the grandfather clause. Surrender them for $300 ea or get a felony, which surrenders them for $0. Oh, and while the FBI may not keep 4473 records, the VSP absolutely keeps records of transactions, so Jones can send the VSP to come shoot your kids and dogs. Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: The coming Californication of VA Abigail Spanberger’s First 100 Days: What Virginians Can Expect From Their Next Governor https://washingtonian.com/2025/11/19/spanberger-first-100-days-virginia-democrats-agenda/ VA Senate Majority Leader Surovell: Surovell says Democrats want to pursue measures including a ban on AR-15-style rifles and stronger safe-storage rules. No bills are filed yet, but that doesn’t mean they are off the table. It is as clear as day. Buy/sell what you want NOW. They WILL push it through. They are irate because of MAGA, and they will throw their fit in VA. And when you got yours, they'll repeal the grandfather clause. Surrender them for $300 ea or get a felony, which surrenders them for $0. Oh, and while the FBI may not keep 4473 records, the VSP absolutely keeps records of transactions, so Jones can send the VSP to come shoot your kids and dogs. At this moment there is no Universal Background Check in Va, as I understand it. So everything now goes back to zero. Anything people purchased prior to this, was maybe sold in a private sale today or tomorrow. If I've got this wrong please say so. |
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WV senator Chris Rose gets it. Lots of us would love to leave the Old Dominion without leaving our family homesteads by moving the border, not the farm. Would Richmond let us go? Let's see: we love you so much that if you try to leave us we will hunt you down and kill you. Yeah, Virginia was on the other side of this argument in 1861, nevertheless I feel like I've already seen this episode and know how it would go down. That said, I'm up for it. Time to leave the commonwealth... "and let posterity forget they were our countrymen" - I know I will. ETA: if Richmond lets Alleghany, Bath and Highland cross over to WV, they have to keep Deeds. He's not one of us. |
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Originally Posted By Eaglerare: @ka-tetof1 You know I’ll stand with you brother. Good to see you’re still around Originally Posted By Eaglerare: @ka-tetof1 You know I’ll stand with you brother. Good to see you’re still around Originally Posted By ka-tetof1: @blackfox For the second time in my life, I’d like to say thank you sir. There may come a time when your offer is needed. I hope that isn’t the case but time will tell. We will see if the others decide to show up, if there’s many still around, and see what their thoughts are on the matter. VA 1-13 @Eaglerare It’s good to see you here as well. Hopefully we’ll start to see a few more show up before long. |
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Originally Posted By 110: That part encompasses more than just Gun shit. The West itself is dying out under Progressive policies. We lost the Cold War. I don't care if someone says we won it, doesn't look like it to me. If I go outside to touch grass, the problems facing this nation and others are all still there. Originally Posted By 110: Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Very good post overall...but that part is even more so. If we acknowledge that Lobby Day 2.0 won't work and neither will voting...what's left? I don't care if someone says we won it, doesn't look like it to me. If I go outside to touch grass, the problems facing this nation and others are all still there. |
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https://www.thetrace.org/2025/11/abigail-spanberger-gun-reform-virginia/ On November 4, Virginia elected its first woman governor, Democrat Abigail Spanberger. It also got something else: another chance to pass comprehensive gun reform, something the majority-Democrat General Assembly had tried to do for the past two years, but was stymied by Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin. Youngkin has vetoed 42 gun reform bills since he took office in 2022, including an assault weapons ban, a prohibition on abusive dating partners owning guns, and a minimum age for rifle purchases, according to a Trace analysis. He vetoed 24 of those bills in 2024 alone. The following year, Democrats reintroduced 15 of the same bills — plus three new ones — knowing they had little chance of passage. Now, with Spanberger set to be sworn in on January 17, Democrats are mobilizing for another try. “We’re not going to take our foot off the gas,” State Senator Adam Ebbin, who chairs the Legislature’s gun violence prevention caucus, told The Trace. Ebbin plans to reintroduce the bills he sponsored that were vetoed by Youngkin last year. “I know that we’ll have others as well who are strategizing on it currently,” he said of his fellow Democratic lawmakers. “So there’ll be a substantial gun safety package reintroduced. And I expect the bills to be signed.” “We have consistently voted for gun safety reform, and our voters prioritize it,” Ebbin added. “Governor-elect Spanberger is on the right side of those issues.” Spanberger, who represented the Fredericksburg area in Congress until this year, has been a gun reform advocate since before she embarked on a career in politics. A former CIA operations officer, Spanberger joined a local chapter of the gun reform group Moms Demand Action shortly after she left the agency in 2014, according to a Washington Post profile. (Moms Demand Action is part of Everytown for Gun Safety, which provides financial grants to The Trace. You can find our donor transparency policy here, and our editorial independence policy here.) Youngkin did sign a few gun safety bills this year, including a bill expanding the state’s tax credit for buying secure gun storage devices, legislation prohibiting people from threatening to discharge a firearm in certain public spaces, and a measure requiring school personnel to distribute guidance on safe gun storage when alerting parents that their children are at imminent risk of suicide. Delegate Dan Helmer, who sponsored six of the gun reform bills Youngkin vetoed, said the new laws marked progress, but fell short of what’s needed. “We should celebrate where we’re able to get bipartisan wins, and I think we have a mandate from the voters to aggressively pursue safety from gun violence in the wake of this election,” he said. Helmer, who as the Virginia House Democrats Campaigns chair is an architect of the party’s November 4 victory, said lawmakers are working out their approach to reintroduce the vetoed bills in the next session, which begins in January. “We need to make sure that the legislation is effective, will work, and is implementable,” he said. State Senator Saddam Azlan Salim said he and his colleagues will probably reintroduce the assault weapons ban and his bill raising the minimum age for purchasing semiautomatic rifles to 21. While Spanberger is expected to move the ball forward on gun reform, she won’t bring Virginia on par with New York and California, which have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, Salim said. “Governor-elect Spanberger is more of a moderate. She’s willing to work things in a bipartisan way.” Democratic lawmakers have been operating similarly under Youngkin, Salim said, seizing on common ground with Republicans wherever they can. Before reintroducing one of the vetoed bills, a minimum age requirement to buy assault weapons, Salim incorporated some of Youngkin’s criticism as communicated in his veto statement — and got a Republican to vote for it. “Where can we meet in the middle? That’s the headspace I think the governor-elect is going to be going into,” Salim said. “As much as we had a great night, Virginia is still a purple state.” Gun reform had been gaining momentum under Youngkin’s predecessor, Democrat Ralph Northam, who signed several bills, including universal background checks on gun sales, limiting handgun purchases to one a month, and mandatory reporting of lost or stolen firearms. Northam left office in 2022 after one term because the state restricts governors to a single four-year stint. This month’s election gave Virginia’s Democrats a governing trifecta. They already controlled the Senate but expanded their majority in the House of Delegates. Gun reform groups celebrated the win, having far outspent gun rights groups, according to the Virginia Public Access Project. Everytown for Gun Safety, Giffords, and Brady spent more than $660,000, not including Everytown’s $1 million ad buy for Spanberger last month. Meanwhile, Second Amendment groups — including the National Rifle Association, National Shooting Sports Foundation, Gun Owners of America, and Virginia Citizens Defense League — spent about $81,000. Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said he plans on “fighting any infringement on our right to keep and bear arms in the Virginia General Assembly.” He cited several upcoming actions, including Lobby Day in January, when advocacy groups converge on the Capitol in Richmond to meet with lawmakers. “Last time we had this kind of threat to our rights, we had over 50,000 gun owners show up at the Capitol to peacefully protest,” he said, referring to a 2020 demonstration. (Authorities estimated the demonstration drew 22,000 people, according to NBC News.) Van Cleave said he hopes to enlist more localities into the Second Amendment sanctuary movement, in which cities and towns vow not to enforce new state or federal gun restrictions. He also plans to fight gun laws in court. In October, a Virginia circuit court struck down the state’s 2020 universal background check law. The suit was brought by the Virginia Citizens Defense League and Gun Owners of America. State Democrats consider the passage of universal background checks as one of their crowning gun safety achievements, and Helmer, the delegate, said he expects the court’s ruling to be appealed. Regardless, he isn’t letting the setback undermine his resolve to pass stronger gun laws. “I served our country in Iraq and Afghanistan,” he said. “I have seen the impacts of gun violence and war zones. I don’t think our communities ought to be war zones.” |
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Originally Posted By Need4Guns: The hell they don't. Yeah you can still get hemmed up by VSP but outside of that, unless you live in a commie county the local LE is going to give exactly two shits about what unconstitutional shit the state passed. You can take that to the bank, unless you live in a commie county (sounds like maybe you do). Originally Posted By Need4Guns: Originally Posted By Josh: Those maps really don't mean anything. The hell they don't. Yeah you can still get hemmed up by VSP but outside of that, unless you live in a commie county the local LE is going to give exactly two shits about what unconstitutional shit the state passed. You can take that to the bank, unless you live in a commie county (sounds like maybe you do). Oh I live in one of those "sanctuary counties". But as you point out the VSP doesn't give a flying fuck, and that's presuming that all those sheriffs still do and will actually stand up to the state government, which I don't take as a foregone conclusion. |
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Originally Posted By BlackFox: My understanding is that you can't stage a static protest while armed - meaning that you've stopped and are standing still. What they did at Lobby Day 2021 was just slowly walk around the block. I believe Virginia still has some law around getting a permit for assembling in numbers great than 3 people. Originally Posted By BlackFox: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By rat_6: [ quoting BlackFox ] This is well said. I agree with all of your points. Simply repeating LD 2020 will not have the same effect. I’m not sure if there is anyone left to influence this time around. Didn't they town of Richmond or whatever pass a law to make it so we cannot carry anything down there? My understanding is that you can't stage a static protest while armed - meaning that you've stopped and are standing still. What they did at Lobby Day 2021 was just slowly walk around the block. I believe Virginia still has some law around getting a permit for assembling in numbers great than 3 people. In Virginia, participating in an unlawful assembly is a Class 1 misdemeanor, which becomes a Class 5 felony if the participant carries a deadly weapon. The code defines an unlawful assembly as the meeting of three or more people with the intent to commit acts of violence that are likely to endanger public safety, peace, or order, and which does cause fear of a breach of peace. Other related offenses include staying at an unlawful assembly after being warned to disperse, which is a Class 3 misdemeanor. There's also an exclusion zone around the capitol where carry is prohibited IIRC. There are signs everywhere down there now. One of the things that Northam got passed was the revocation of statewide preemption of local firearm rights infringement laws, since then there are local ordinances all over the place (in all the places you'd expect) about where you can't carry. |