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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:23:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Op's not wrong. The ewok battle scenes are dumb and full of plot holes. Like the >just< happened to have piles of logs ready to trip the walkers? Or on vines to smash them? Or that armored troopers could be taken down by thrown stones and swung sticks? And do these preps close to the back entrance without being noticed. Cause they sure as hell didn't set them up in minutes. Rest of movie was decent. It's been so long since I've seen the movie (sometime before I turned 18 for sure), that I never really thought of that stuff, although I always thought dropping rocks doing anything was silly. The stormtrooper armor would be worse than useless. But, IIRC (and I may not, given that it's been a while since I've seen it), the ewoks had some initial successes, especially with the element of surprise, but were pretty much getting routed after a while. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:27:02 PM EDT
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Very disjointed film with a director and team that just weren't into it.
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:27:33 PM EDT
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The worst part of the franchise remains Jaj Jar Binks. Prove me wrong.
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:28:33 PM EDT
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Did they edit out the Ewok sex with humans part?
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:35:19 PM EDT
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In the same vein, re-watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The special effects are still very cool and well done, however the story line of the main character getting fired for seemingly no reason at all, then his wife leaving with the kids when he starts to have some weird visions does not seem believable. But it allows him to semi hook up with the Christmas Story mom whose kid got abducted then returned by the space peoples.
I also re-watched the first (original) 3 episodes of Star Wars very recently and was kind of surprised at how lame they now seem. Especially the very first Star Wars. I know it was from the mid to late 70's and was epic for it's time, but it wouldn't fool an 8 yr old today. The story line was great though, as was the Death Star destruction scene but the props they used, such as PVC pipe and plumbing fittings, micrometers as throttles and tractor beam handles and other stupid shit really detracts. Also the Rebel "uniforms" are so fucking stupid they are retarded. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:35:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The worst part of the franchise remains Jaj Jar Binks. Prove me wrong. Leia flying thru space |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:37:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The worst part of the franchise remains Jaj Jar Binks. Prove me wrong. Jar Jar is better than the entire Disney trilogy. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the same vein, re-watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The special effects are still very cool and well done, however the story line of the main character getting fired for seemingly no reason at all, then his wife leaving with the kids when he starts to have some weird visions does not seem believable. But it allows him to semi hook up with the Christmas Story mom whose kid got abducted then returned by the space peoples. I also re-watched the first (original) 3 episodes of Star Wars very recently and was kind of surprised at how lame they now seem. Especially the very first Star Wars. I know it was from the mid to late 70's and was epic for it's time, but it wouldn't fool an 8 yr old today. The story line was great though, as was the Death Star destruction scene but the props they used, such as PVC pipe and plumbing fittings, micrometers as throttles and tractor beam handles and other stupid shit really detracts. Also the Rebel "uniforms" are so fucking stupid they are retarded. I believe he got fired for not doing his job...…………...they sent him out to check the lines to see where the outage or downed lines were, and when he saw the UFOs he chased them across state lines...………...he wasn't doing what they sent him to do, and he got canned for it, even if its not completely spelled out |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:48:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:50:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leia flying thru space Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The worst part of the franchise remains Jaj Jar Binks. Prove me wrong. Leia flying thru space That was so awful. Way worse than Jar Jar. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:50:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leia flying thru space Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The worst part of the franchise remains Jaj Jar Binks. Prove me wrong. Leia flying thru space Correct answer is both. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:57:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The film's from 1983... standards were different back then. ^This^ It was quite good for the time. The story for several decades was Lucas started with Episode 4 because he didn't believe he could pull off the effects that I, II, and III would require. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:02:48 PM EDT
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All three original films are great, the best they made.
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:11:51 PM EDT
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huge awesome super star destroyer makes appearance
tiny out of control fighter take the whole thing out in one blow |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:17:44 PM EDT
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I’ve never seen it.
I tried once, made it about five minutes in and turned it off. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:18:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: huge awesome super star destroyer makes appearance tiny out of control fighter take the whole thing out in one blow Most Sci-Fi movies have space warships with very prominent and exposed bridges. Seems problematic, but that does set things up for that sort of scenario. I think Battlestar Galactica (the reboot; never saw the original) did it the best, with there not being a traditional bridge (not any that was ever shown, anyways), with a CIC deep inside the ship like the secondary ones on a battleship. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rest of the film and is decent. But Empire Strikes Back is my fav https://chicago.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15116062/2016/02/lukehand.gif?w=520 The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars by a long shot. Especially the final sequence starting with Luke deciding to go to Cloud City. Nothing else comes close. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most Sci-Fi movies have space warships with very prominent and exposed bridges. Seems problematic, but that does set things up for that sort of scenario. I think Battlestar Galactica (the reboot; never saw the original) did it the best, with there not being a traditional bridge (not any that was ever shown, anyways), with a CIC deep inside the ship like the secondary ones on a battleship. if you can transverse between solar systems/galaxies, i doubt you're doing it visually in a glass cockpit. but mindless sci fi, gonna mindless sci fi |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a wrap, folks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just watch: Rogue One Star Wars Empire Then call it a day. That's a wrap, folks. And the mandalorian |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:38:40 PM EDT
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Star Wars has always been stupid
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:41:46 PM EDT
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It doesn't have a monologue about sand, does it?
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginal Emperor from ESB was an interesting look:  Attached FileAlthough changing him to match the Emperor in Jedi is pretty much the only SE stuff I approve of, because Ian McDiarmid is awesome as Palpy. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Star Wars has always been stupid Empire Strikes Back was a good movie. The rest of the franchise ranges from complete garbage to meh. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:43:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ignored the ewoks. If you ignore the ewoks the story is pretty good. The special effects have struggled with time, by the time they put it to digital the film had faded in the copy they used was faded in areas and the matting got BAD. It was not as bad as Jar Jar or Peggy Sue, or the purple dress bitch. Empire is Best Star Wars and we all know it. Followed by Rouge One. this... i agree with this... |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:45:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Star Wars has always been stupid when I hear every star wars fan ever, say that it made a big impression on them when they were young in the movie theater, you realize that it's just a kids movie |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:46:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My favorite is the Star Wars Christmas Special. Wookie porn, Bea Arthur and Jefferson Starship. Happy Life Day, gang. The Holiday Special is awesome, especially when I find someone who likes Star Wars but hasn't seen it yet, so I can put it on and watch them react to it. Yeah I'm kinda evil. 
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:48:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The space battle scenes are still among the best though. They took the models against bluescreen to the limit in that movie. This was mind blowing in the 80s and I still think it looks damn good today.  Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi - Space Battle of Endor HD (Cleaner Edit By Prometheus) |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Original Emperor from ESB was an interesting look: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/306990/OriginalPimpDaddyPalps_jpg-1478704.JPG Although changing him to match the Emperor in Jedi is pretty much the only SE stuff I approve of, because Ian McDiarmid is awesome as Palpy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Original Emperor from ESB was an interesting look: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/306990/OriginalPimpDaddyPalps_jpg-1478704.JPG Although changing him to match the Emperor in Jedi is pretty much the only SE stuff I approve of, because Ian McDiarmid is awesome as Palpy. I think that was a woman. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:50:28 PM EDT
[#29]
George Lucas said that the Ewoks were like the North Vietnamese and the Storm Troopers were like the Americans.
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:51:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:51:59 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The shield generator should have never been located on Endor Never should have been a second death star in the first place. The series should moved on from that concept after the first movie. It was lazy to throw that out there again for the 3rd movie. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:52:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that was a woman. Yeah the face was a woman, the voice was a dude whose name I don't remember, not Ian Mc-don'tmakemelookuphowtospellitagain. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:55:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spaceballs for the win..... It's the 3rd best Star Wars movie out there IMHO. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:57:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when they pitched ewoks. I feel like they had to have been shoehorned in very near or after the script was written and there was some Hasbro or mattel executive sitting in the meetings, trying his damnedest to think up a mascot or cute character he could sell a billion of. I can remember the lead up to its release. I first heard about ROTJ having been filmed from my best friend’s dad. He worked for Fruit of the Loom. I can vividly remember him talking about how there was a new Star Wars movie coming out and they (FOTL) had some Underoos already in production that featured these little teddy bear type creatures that were going to be prominent in the movie. I thought he was a confused oldster talking about Chewbacca.  I give ROTJ a pass on the special effects because of when it was made. But the Ewoks were Jar Jar Binks before JJB was JJB. By that point Lucas knew he had a cash cow franchise and IMHO was story writing to sell merchandise. I can remember kids fighting over the “Luke in black” action figure. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:58:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: George Lucas said that the Ewoks were like the North Vietnamese and the Storm Troopers were like the Americans. Yeah, they were originally going to be Wookiees but then he realized that: 1) Merchandising! As has been said 2) No one would be surprised at Wookiees ripping up Stormtroopers so making the "good guy guerillas" tiny teddy bears made it seem like a more dramatic victory. Anyone really interested in how Star Wars became Star Wars (at least as it was Before the Dark Times, Before Disney) should check out the book The Secret History of Star Wars. George's "Grand Plan" that was hinted at from the first Bantha Tracks (which you have to be old to remember) was basically bullshit, he was just making stuff up as he went along within a very broad outline of what the overarching story was going to be. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 12:01:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sexy Twi'lek and metal bikini Leiah... ROTJ's sins have long been forgiven.  Every single time I have a conversation with a girl dressed up as Leia for Halloween or a costume party, they all say the exact same thing... “Every guy that I told that I was dressing up as Leia asked me if I was going to be the gold bikini Leia.” Women just don’t understand the archetype she was for boys of my generation. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 12:06:28 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when they pitched ewoks. I feel like they had to have been shoehorned in very near or after the script was written and there was some Hasbro or mattel executive sitting in the meetings, trying his damnedest to think up a mascot or cute character he could sell a billion of. It was originally Wookies, then George changed it. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 12:46:09 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never should have been a second death star in the first place. The series should moved on from that concept after the first movie. It was lazy to throw that out there again for the 3rd movie. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The shield generator should have never been located on Endor Never should have been a second death star in the first place. The series should moved on from that concept after the first movie. It was lazy to throw that out there again for the 3rd movie. Agreed. And it makes the Disney JJ Abrams sequels look that much more ridiculous. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 1:38:18 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: George Lucas said that the Ewoks were like the North Vietnamese and the Storm Troopers were like the Americans. Lucas always was an asshole. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 1:52:33 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Original Emperor from ESB was an interesting look: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/306990/OriginalPimpDaddyPalps_jpg-1478704.JPG Although changing him to match the Emperor in Jedi is pretty much the only SE stuff I approve of, because Ian McDiarmid is awesome as Palpy. Funky goggle eye - I always assumed there was some hidden meaning behind that when I was a kid |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 1:54:30 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when they pitched ewoks. I feel like they had to have been shoehorned in very near or after the script was written and there was some Hasbro or mattel executive sitting in the meetings, trying his damnedest to think up a mascot or cute character he could sell a billion of. Better than Jar-jar. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 1:59:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funky goggle eye - I always assumed there was some hidden meaning behind that when I was a kid Pretty sure the eyes were those of a chimpanzee or some other type of monkey superimposed over the human face, giving it that weird goggle effect. I think the hidden meaning was "make sure your FX people aren't doing tons of coke when making effects."
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Posted: 6/27/2020 2:00:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should watch the battle for endor if you want some cringe worthy tv. Bonus points is it has Wilford Brimley in it. The guy has looked 70 for the last 50 years. Never heard of it. 
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Posted: 6/27/2020 8:31:52 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never should have been a second death star in the first place. The series should moved on from that concept after the first movie. It was lazy to throw that out there again for the 3rd movie. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The shield generator should have never been located on Endor Never should have been a second death star in the first place. The series should moved on from that concept after the first movie. It was lazy to throw that out there again for the 3rd movie. It was a waste of funds...……………..the Empire could have spent that money on more capital ships and more advanced fighters that outclassed anything the Rebellion had...……..if you just have to have a planet killer, build lots of Sun Crushers |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 8:41:18 AM EDT
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It was the weakest of the original trilogy, but it trounces any of the Disney films IMO.
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Posted: 6/27/2020 8:49:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2020 8:57:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should watch the battle for endor if you want some cringe worthy tv. Bonus points is it has Wilford Brimley in it. The guy has looked 70 for the last 50 years. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 8:59:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's uneven. Jabba's Palace/barge has good and bad parts. Averages out to okay. Yoda dying was fine. The briefing was fine. Landing on the moon was good. The speeder chase was awesome. Ewok capture, C3PO as a god, and storytime are horrible. Luke and Leia talking was okay. Luke talking to Vader was very good. Everything in the Emperor's throne room was very good to excellent. The fight on the moon was good in parts but dumb in others. The space battle was excellent. Vader's redemption was excellent. Vader's funeral was excellent (original, not the special edition). Yub Nub was cringeworthy. //I harass my family by playing Yub Nub super loud. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 9:00:54 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the eyes were those of a chimpanzee or some other type of monkey superimposed over the human face, giving it that weird goggle effect. I think the hidden meaning was "make sure your FX people aren't doing tons of coke when making effects." Ahhh the 80s 
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Posted: 6/27/2020 9:03:26 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The worst part of the franchise remains Jaj Jar Binks. Prove me wrong. I disagree. The worst part is that it didn't stop after 3 movies. I count Star Wars along with The Simpsons and Metallica as things that no matter how much I loved them as a child have no use for now as all the good was ground to dust. |
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