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Link Posted: 8/28/2022 9:18:03 PM EDT
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Time to send a military expedition and claim it for Estados Undios!
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 9:18:48 PM EDT
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Also 100 light years away?  That is not exactly current data. Yea, it was there ......once, or maybe now.
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That’s not that far. I mean light travels at the speed of light so if it’s 100 light years away it just means we are looking at what’s happening on that planet 100 years ago.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 9:22:05 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/28/2022 9:23:32 PM EDT
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Colonial Marines?
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 9:30:13 PM EDT
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In this thread there are posters that don't know about the Dead Sea, right here on this planet and how that might apply to a water world.
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To be fair, life - as we know it - has evolved and adapted to inhospitable environments.
There is life in high salinity bodies like the Dead Sea and Great Salt Lake, and around high temp and poisonously sulphuric deep sea vents.

No telling what ‘could’ be on an alien planet that’s water based. If there’s anything.
It would be cool to find out though.

ETA- 100 light years means that if there is anything there, and it’s intelligent and technically able, they could digging our top radio hits of 1922…

Yes, we have no bananas!
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 9:34:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/28/2022 9:35:37 PM EDT
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Because the light from many objects either emit or absorb certain light frequencies that have been shown to correspond with certain elements and molecules.

Astronomers call this study of light from celestial objects spectroscopy. The light images are spread out like a color spectrum that have bright lines or dark notches throughout the span of the spectra. Astronomical objects like stars, planets, nebulas, etc all have their own "fingerprints".

It this case, the light from the planet has a certain signature "fingerprint" that indicates the presence of water.

Kind of like the way a DEA airplane can detect pot plants growing in a field due to the way it absorbs certain frequencies of light and is used as a "fingerprint" that shows up in the screen that the DEA Agent uses to bust the pot grower.

https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/system/resources/detail_files/2312_1-N-03-spectro-1280-Oct-2021.jpg


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I had a new water softener installed a few years ago and I was talking with the installer while he was working.  He told me had a job in the past to fix a bunch of hacked up electrical and plumbing in a guys basement.  Apparently whatever department had flagged the guy's house due to FLIR from a helicopter noticing that the house was constantly way hotter than normal.  Sure enough, they found a grow op in the basement.  I guess they had no regard for the removal of equipment and just went to hacking up the utilities in the basement and left a mess.

No idea if it is true, but that's what he said.  
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 9:53:43 PM EDT
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I had a new water softener installed a few years ago and I was talking with the installer while he was working.  He told me had a job in the past to fix a bunch of hacked up electrical and plumbing in a guys basement.  Apparently whatever department had flagged the guy's house due to FLIR from a helicopter noticing that the house was constantly way hotter than normal.  Sure enough, they found a grow op in the basement.  I guess they had no regard for the removal of equipment and just went to hacking up the utilities in the basement and left a mess.

No idea if it is true, but that's what he said.  
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I have no doubt that FLIR can detect higher temps from houses. But note, that this is using infrared and a higher heat signature from grow lights, hydroponic crap and water pipes etc. This can be reasonably construed as telltales signs of a grow house.

The pot plants growing in a field example is a little different as there is no higher heat sig there. Just a unique light absorption pattern that the pot plant has that gives away its presence even if the plants are hidden in a bunch of trees to the cops.

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Even cocaine shows up as a different intensity in xrays though luggage, boxes, crates, etc.
So a lot of things have a unique fingerprint that can be detected much like the planets that Kevin Costner hangs out on.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:08:17 PM EDT
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@SIASL, @Ranxerox911

Yeah, from the exoplanet data we've got so far, we're finding that our Solar System is not at all typical. Before the exoplanet discoveries, we kind of assumed that many star systems would follow the rough pattern of ours.

Smaller rocky planets closer in, where the central star cooks away most of the volatiles like water and hydrogen etc. And then gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn, and in-betweener ice-gisnts like Uranus and Neptune out where it's colder, then maybe some more icy runts like Pluto, Sedena, and Quaoar, and comets.

We expected differences of course, but roughly that pattern.

This is not what we're finding.  Jupiter sized gas giants glowing red hot because they somehow spiraled in after forming and now orbit several times closer to their star than Mercury does our Sun. Rocky cores of gas giants that had all the gas blown away by its star. Planets that are bigger than Earth, that may be water all the way through, but the pressure inside after several miles is so great it's "hot ice" in crystalline forms very different than regular ice here on Earth. Ones we can make sometimes in a laboratory diamond vise just a few micrograms at a time.

And there's "puffball" planets that might be gas almost all the way through, unlike Jupiter and Saturn which quickly build up pressure and density to liquid, then metallic hydrogen etc. And we're not completely sure how these "puffy" gas giants stay together.

Add to that 95% of stars are Red Dwarf Class M stars, unlike our G class yellow Sun, it's becoming more and more apparent that our Solar System may be the really weird one.
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However, it's unclear if the ocean world is truly oceanic, or just covered in a thick layer of ocean that eventually meets rock.


Am I missing something?

"Truly Oceanic" = all water, no hard rock at all?

Interesting theoretical - I read somewhere about a spot somewhere in the Universe whereby the author posited it was composed of water so deep that at some point it, the water itself was hard as a rock.


@SIASL, @Ranxerox911

Yeah, from the exoplanet data we've got so far, we're finding that our Solar System is not at all typical. Before the exoplanet discoveries, we kind of assumed that many star systems would follow the rough pattern of ours.

Smaller rocky planets closer in, where the central star cooks away most of the volatiles like water and hydrogen etc. And then gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn, and in-betweener ice-gisnts like Uranus and Neptune out where it's colder, then maybe some more icy runts like Pluto, Sedena, and Quaoar, and comets.

We expected differences of course, but roughly that pattern.

This is not what we're finding.  Jupiter sized gas giants glowing red hot because they somehow spiraled in after forming and now orbit several times closer to their star than Mercury does our Sun. Rocky cores of gas giants that had all the gas blown away by its star. Planets that are bigger than Earth, that may be water all the way through, but the pressure inside after several miles is so great it's "hot ice" in crystalline forms very different than regular ice here on Earth. Ones we can make sometimes in a laboratory diamond vise just a few micrograms at a time.

And there's "puffball" planets that might be gas almost all the way through, unlike Jupiter and Saturn which quickly build up pressure and density to liquid, then metallic hydrogen etc. And we're not completely sure how these "puffy" gas giants stay together.

Add to that 95% of stars are Red Dwarf Class M stars, unlike our G class yellow Sun, it's becoming more and more apparent that our Solar System may be the really weird one.

Great stuff; I love it when the universe starts throwing knuckle-balls at what we think is "settled science".  Reminds me of Levon Helm's character in Shooter:

"WorldUniverse ain't what it seems is it, Gunny? You keep that in mind. The moment you think you got it figured, you're wrong"
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:16:10 PM EDT
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The last paragraph in the article seems important:

"Based on data they gathered from other observation instruments, the researchers say the ocean world is probably rocky like Earth. However, a thick layer of water may cover most of its surface and may also make up much of the planet's mass. Right now, it's unclear, but more observations using the James Webb space telescope could help us determine more."

As long as words still mean things, it sounds like they haven't found shit but since no one can prove they didn't find shit, they wrote a clickbait article for morons.

Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:19:43 PM EDT
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It would require 400,000 years to get there to even take a look.  

How does one communicate over a 100 light-year distance?  Even so, when you work that out, it would take another 100 years to receive the science data back here on Earth.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:20:40 PM EDT
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It's in the goldilocks zone,  too!
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:24:31 PM EDT
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Right.  It's all a fucking big lie,  and those are pinholes in the celestial curtain,  yeah?   Or are they air holes from where the sky man lets  us breathe?   Lead us,  o prophet!
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:26:21 PM EDT
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Maybe you should write a letter to NASA. Not sure there is much bending of light in a vacuum.
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Gravitational lensing is a thing…light does bend in a vacuum
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:28:17 PM EDT
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Not sure I look at it that way.  That light has been bent and defused, it may be there in it's same form and may not be, not that it disappeared.  

We are learning things faster every day, a lot of old assumptions have been proven wrong.
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100 light years really isn’t that far away. I doubt the planet disappeared in the last 100 years.


Not sure I look at it that way.  That light has been bent and defused, it may be there in it's same form and may not be, not that it disappeared.  

We are learning things faster every day, a lot of old assumptions have been proven wrong.


How much do you think a planet changes in a hundred years?
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:28:45 PM EDT
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Maybe some ot the math guys here can figure out how long it would take to get to speed of light with only two or so G's. And remember, that would be sustained for the whole acceleration.

V = acceleration * time = (Force/MASS) * time  

The klinker is mass increases as speed gets really high and time dilates (relativistic effects).

MASS = mass / (1-(velocity^2/c^2))

TIME = time * (1-(velocity^2/c^2))

Not sure how sustained of even a 2G acceleration the human body could take with no adverse effects.

Would probably be a good thing, building strong bones and muscles.


Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:32:41 PM EDT
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"just 100 light-years from Earth"



LOL. May as well be on the other side of the universe.

Humans will never get there or close to it.

Even IF we could get spacecraft that would go close to the speed of light, the human body could not take the massive acceleration and deceleration it would require.


Remember, just because you are weightless in space does not mean inertia is not still there.


Maybe some ot the math guys here can figure out how long it would take to get to speed of light with only two or so G's. And remember, that would be sustained for the whole acceleration.

Not sure how sustained of even a 2G acceleration the human body could take with no adverse effects.




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That is, were it possible to simply accelerate to c, then at a constant 2g, it would take around 15,290,520 sec = 254,841 min = 4,247 hrs = 177 days — but relativity says that the closer you get to c, the longer time stretches out, and the more force it takes to achieve the same acceleration, making it impossible (or taking infinite time and infinite force) to reach c.
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You wouldn’t need to get to the speed of light. Accelerate at 1G half way there, flip the ship and decelerate at 1 g until you arrive.

You never feel any stresses. It takes longer, but you don’t violate any physics. I am also pretty sure 100 light years is within the Hubble radius, so expansion isn’t a concern either
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:33:13 PM EDT
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That’s not that far. I mean light travels at the speed of light so if it’s 100 light years away it just means we are looking at what’s happening on that planet 100 years ago.
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This.  They would see us in 1922 now
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:34:18 PM EDT
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@SIASL, @Ranxerox911

Yeah, from the exoplanet data we've got so far, we're finding that our Solar System is not at all typical. Before the exoplanet discoveries, we kind of assumed that many star systems would follow the rough pattern of ours.

Smaller rocky planets closer in, where the central star cooks away most of the volatiles like water and hydrogen etc. And then gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn, and in-betweener ice-gisnts like Uranus and Neptune out where it's colder, then maybe some more icy runts like Pluto, Sedena, and Quaoar, and comets.

We expected differences of course, but roughly that pattern.

This is not what we're finding.  Jupiter sized gas giants glowing red hot because they somehow spiraled in after forming and now orbit several times closer to their star than Mercury does our Sun. Rocky cores of gas giants that had all the gas blown away by its star. Planets that are bigger than Earth, that may be water all the way through, but the pressure inside after several miles is so great it's "hot ice" in crystalline forms very different than regular ice here on Earth. Ones we can make sometimes in a laboratory diamond vise just a few micrograms at a time.

And there's "puffball" planets that might be gas almost all the way through, unlike Jupiter and Saturn which quickly build up pressure and density to liquid, then metallic hydrogen etc. And we're not completely sure how these "puffy" gas giants stay together.

Add to that 95% of stars are Red Dwarf Class M stars, unlike our G class yellow Sun, it's becoming more and more apparent that our Solar System may be the really weird one.
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However, it's unclear if the ocean world is truly oceanic, or just covered in a thick layer of ocean that eventually meets rock.


Am I missing something?

"Truly Oceanic" = all water, no hard rock at all?

Interesting theoretical - I read somewhere about a spot somewhere in the Universe whereby the author posited it was composed of water so deep that at some point it, the water itself was hard as a rock.


@SIASL, @Ranxerox911

Yeah, from the exoplanet data we've got so far, we're finding that our Solar System is not at all typical. Before the exoplanet discoveries, we kind of assumed that many star systems would follow the rough pattern of ours.

Smaller rocky planets closer in, where the central star cooks away most of the volatiles like water and hydrogen etc. And then gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn, and in-betweener ice-gisnts like Uranus and Neptune out where it's colder, then maybe some more icy runts like Pluto, Sedena, and Quaoar, and comets.

We expected differences of course, but roughly that pattern.

This is not what we're finding.  Jupiter sized gas giants glowing red hot because they somehow spiraled in after forming and now orbit several times closer to their star than Mercury does our Sun. Rocky cores of gas giants that had all the gas blown away by its star. Planets that are bigger than Earth, that may be water all the way through, but the pressure inside after several miles is so great it's "hot ice" in crystalline forms very different than regular ice here on Earth. Ones we can make sometimes in a laboratory diamond vise just a few micrograms at a time.

And there's "puffball" planets that might be gas almost all the way through, unlike Jupiter and Saturn which quickly build up pressure and density to liquid, then metallic hydrogen etc. And we're not completely sure how these "puffy" gas giants stay together.

Add to that 95% of stars are Red Dwarf Class M stars, unlike our G class yellow Sun, it's becoming more and more apparent that our Solar System may be the really weird one.


A large part of this is due to observation bias.

It's relatively easy to spot large gas giants circling very close to it's star, since it induces a pretty noticeable shift in the star's apparent brightness, and when the gas giant is close to the star, it means it's year is short, so there are lots of chances to observe it.

Saturn's "year" is almost 30 terrestrial years.  It's a bit harder to observe that given the age of the telescopes that are doing the measurements haven't been around that long.

It also only works when the star's plane of the ecliptic is in line with us.  If it's not, then the planet never crosses the star from our vantage point, so it's undetectable.  

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It's easy to find "weird" solar systems where you have hot gas giants orbiting very close to their star.

It's a lot harder to find solar systems that look like ours.

That doesn't mean they are more rare.  Doesn't mean they aren't either.  It just means we don't have the data.
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You wouldn’t need to get to the speed of light. Accelerate at 1G half way there, flip the ship and decelerate at 1 g until you arrive.

You never feel any stresses. It takes longer, but you don’t violate any physics. I am also pretty sure 100 light years is within the Hubble radius, so expansion isn’t a concern either
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"just 100 light-years from Earth"



LOL. May as well be on the other side of the universe.

Humans will never get there or close to it.

Even IF we could get spacecraft that would go close to the speed of light, the human body could not take the massive acceleration and deceleration it would require.


Remember, just because you are weightless in space does not mean inertia is not still there.


Maybe some ot the math guys here can figure out how long it would take to get to speed of light with only two or so G's. And remember, that would be sustained for the whole acceleration.

Not sure how sustained of even a 2G acceleration the human body could take with no adverse effects.




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That is, were it possible to simply accelerate to c, then at a constant 2g, it would take around 15,290,520 sec = 254,841 min = 4,247 hrs = 177 days — but relativity says that the closer you get to c, the longer time stretches out, and the more force it takes to achieve the same acceleration, making it impossible (or taking infinite time and infinite force) to reach c.


You wouldn’t need to get to the speed of light. Accelerate at 1G half way there, flip the ship and decelerate at 1 g until you arrive.

You never feel any stresses. It takes longer, but you don’t violate any physics. I am also pretty sure 100 light years is within the Hubble radius, so expansion isn’t a concern either


Sure, maintaining constant 1G acceleration for the ~10 years it would take to get to Alpha Centauri is a little an engineering problem.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:40:50 PM EDT
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I have already seen this movie, it sucked.

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Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:48:09 PM EDT
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So, as several people have hinted at, the article in the OP is garbage. They have no idea whether it's actually an ocean world, it's just one possibility that fits what they're seeing. Here's a slightly better article:

Astronomers discover potential "water world" exoplanet nearby Earth that could support life

Scientists announced this week the discovery of a nearby "super-Earth" that could potentially support life, calling it a "water world."

The team, led by the University of Montreal, used observations from NASA's Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS), as well as telescopes on the ground, to detect the exoplanet, which is described as potentially rocky like Earth, but larger. Named TOI-1452 b, it orbits a red dwarf star about 100 light years away from our planet, which scientists say is "fairly close."

Scientists have long theorized the possibility of other ocean planets, but they have been difficult to confirm. TOI-1452 b is roughly 70% larger than Earth and about five times as massive, which would be consistent with having a very deep ocean — but more research is still needed.

NASA says the planet could also potentially be an enormous rock with little or no atmosphere — or even a rocky planet with an atmosphere made up of hydrogen or helium.


There's more at the link.

TL;DR = It might be a water world, it might not.
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That’s not that far. I mean light travels at the speed of light so if it’s 100 light years away it just means we are looking at what’s happening on that planet 100 years ago.



This.  They would see us in 1922 now


They better stay tuned in,  few years will be getting exciting!
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Exactly, even if life was confirmed on the planet ain't nobody getting there.  It would give the curious a goal to try and get there but not happening any time soon.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 10:58:43 PM EDT
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Maybe you should write a letter to NASA. Not sure there is much bending of light in a vacuum.
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Not sure I look at it that way.  That light has been bent and defused, it may be there in it's same form and may not be, not that it disappeared.  

We are learning things faster every day, a lot of old assumptions have been proven wrong.

Maybe you should write a letter to NASA. Not sure there is much bending of light in a vacuum.

I believe gravity does the bending.

https://www.science.org.au/curious/space-time/gravity#:~:text=Gravity%20bends%20light&text=Light%20travels%20through%20spacetime%2C%20which,of%20light%20caused%20by%20gravity%20
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:02:07 PM EDT
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I mean.... Artemis I is planned to launch tomorrow morning, to go back to the moon.  It is the most powerful rocket that human kind has ever built. It's standing on the pad right now waiting for day break.  It's certainly real and there is a whole lot of science involved.
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Just absolute  bullshit. They have no idea. The science world has become a cartoon.
I mean.... Artemis I is planned to launch tomorrow morning, to go back to the moon.  It is the most powerful rocket that human kind has ever built. It's standing on the pad right now waiting for day break.  It's certainly real and there is a whole lot of science involved.

I'm surprised we have any know how left to get to the moon.  Like Saturn's capillary cooling system.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:06:50 PM EDT
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Is it possible that a planet covered in water as we understand it would not be supporting life?

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What if it’s liquid nitrogen?
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:15:55 PM EDT
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Pretty inconceivable distance.

If we were able to get a ship headed in that direction at 100k MPH, it would take us over 66000 years to get there.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:17:26 PM EDT
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It would require 400,000 years to get there to even take a look.  

How does one communicate over a 100 light-year distance?  Even so, when you work that out, it would take another 100 years to receive the science data back here on Earth.
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I don't understand why you continue to base an argument about physically going to the planet.

We can look at it with the tools that we have and our eyeballs, from right here and learn all kinds of things.  We know a hell of a lot about the pillars of creation, a nebula which is 7,000 light years away.

Is it possible that we might be able to determine if there is life on a planet 100 light years away?  It is certainly possible.  If we do in some manner confirm that there is life on a far away planet...that has nothing in the world to do with sending a human there.  In fact doing so, assuming we could, would be a very serious and highly debated decision for humanity.  

A much more important question to ask would be, can that life......get here?  Yes, might be very bad answer.  Assuming we did confirm it and we could see it, then assuming it could see us and didn't decide it wants to try to murder us, the most likely outcome would be that the two groups of life would spend thousands or perhaps tens of thousands of years, silently looking at each other from very far away.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:20:06 PM EDT
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They already found inhabitants.  They just don't want anyone to know.

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Because the light from many objects either emit or absorb certain light frequencies that have been shown to correspond with certain elements and molecules.

Astronomers call this study of light from celestial objects spectroscopy. The light images are spread out like a color spectrum that have bright lines or dark notches throughout the span of the spectra. Astronomical objects like stars, planets, nebulas, etc all have their own "fingerprints".

It this case, the light from the planet has a certain signature "fingerprint" that indicates the presence of water.

Kind of like the way a DEA airplane can detect pot plants growing in a field due to the way it absorbs certain frequencies of light and is used as a "fingerprint" that shows up in the screen that the DEA Agent uses to bust the pot grower.

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What gets me with that sort of thing is how do they really know the 'fingerprint' is telling them what they think it is.

Even here on Earth, "ground-truthing" is done for multispectral and hyperspectral remote sensing; as in areas are visited in person to confirm that the signatures they're getting mean what they think they mean. No way to ground-truth something 100 lightyears away.

So many of these stories are based on assumptions and theories that have just been accepted as fact. And then years later we get "scientists have discovered all that was wrong, and it's actually this".

I've learned to take it all with a grain of salt.
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"just 100 light-years from Earth"



LOL. May as well be on the other side of the universe.

Humans will never get there or close to it.

Even IF we could get spacecraft that would go close to the speed of light, the human body could not take the massive acceleration and deceleration it would require.


Remember, just because you are weightless in space does not mean inertia is not still there.


Maybe some ot the math guys here can figure out how long it would take to get to speed of light with only two or so G's. And remember, that would be sustained for the whole acceleration.

Not sure how sustained of even a 2G acceleration the human body could take with no adverse effects.




ETA: Found this:


That is, were it possible to simply accelerate to c, then at a constant 2g, it would take around 15,290,520 sec = 254,841 min = 4,247 hrs = 177 days — but relativity says that the closer you get to c, the longer time stretches out, and the more force it takes to achieve the same acceleration, making it impossible (or taking infinite time and infinite force) to reach c.
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Laughs in wap bubble canceling out inertia  
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What if it’s liquid nitrogen?
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Spectroscopy and where it orbits says it isn't.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:31:26 PM EDT
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It doesn’t matter if life is there or not. “Modern” science would not be able to identify the sexes so nothing would be able to reproduce.

Always trust the science.

Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:32:40 PM EDT
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Spectroscopy and where it orbits says it isn't.
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What if it’s liquid nitrogen?



Spectroscopy and where it orbits says it isn't.

That would have something to do with whether it had an atmosphere or not.

I.e., the earth’s moon orbits a similar distance from the sun as the earth, yet has a completely different temperature and surface makeup.

And to be more specific, do we have any spectroscopic comparisons to the earth’s water/surface that are taken from 100 light years away to compare to?
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:38:14 PM EDT
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"just 100 light-years from Earth"



LOL. May as well be on the other side of the universe.

Humans will never get there or close to it.

Even IF we could get spacecraft that would go close to the speed of light, the human body could not take the massive acceleration and deceleration it would require.


Remember, just because you are weightless in space does not mean inertia is not still there.


Maybe some ot the math guys here can figure out how long it would take to get to speed of light with only two or so G's. And remember, that would be sustained for the whole acceleration.

Not sure how sustained of even a 2G acceleration the human body could take with no adverse effects.




ETA: Found this:


That is, were it possible to simply accelerate to c, then at a constant 2g, it would take around 15,290,520 sec = 254,841 min = 4,247 hrs = 177 days — but relativity says that the closer you get to c, the longer time stretches out, and the more force it takes to achieve the same acceleration, making it impossible (or taking infinite time and infinite force) to reach c.
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If we could make a spacecraft that could travel at the speed of light I’m pretty sure we could figure out the other hurdles that come with it. Also, no math, physics, astronomy, or any science is 100% fact. Everything we know now can be proven to be complete bullshit 100 years from now. When people say something is impossible because it violates the laws of physics their basically ignoring all the previous breakthroughs we’ve had as humans that were once never thought to be possible, or never even thought of in the first place.

Any scientist that believes something is impossible because someone else’s theory says it is should be fired from whatever job they hold.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:38:24 PM EDT
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Abstract
Exploring the properties of exoplanets near or inside the radius valley provides insight on the transition from the rocky super-Earths to the larger, hydrogen-rich atmosphere mini-Neptunes. Here, we report the discovery of TOI-1452b, a transiting super-Earth (Rp = 1.67 ± 0.07 R?) in an 11.1 day temperate orbit (Teq = 326 ± 7 K) around the primary member (H = 10.0, Teff = 3185 ± 50 K) of a nearby visual-binary M dwarf. The transits were first detected by the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite, then successfully isolated between the two 3farcs2 companions with ground-based photometry from the Observatoire du Mont-Mégantic and MuSCAT3. The planetary nature of TOI-1452b was established through high-precision velocimetry with the near-infrared SPIRou spectropolarimeter as part of the ongoing SPIRou Legacy Survey. The measured planetary mass (4.8 ± 1.3 M?) and inferred bulk density (${5.6}_{-1.6}^{+1.8}$ g cm-3) is suggestive of a rocky core surrounded by a volatile-rich envelope. More quantitatively, the mass and radius of TOI-1452b, combined with the stellar abundance of refractory elements (Fe, Mg, and Si) measured by SPIRou, is consistent with a core-mass fraction of 18% ± 6% and a water-mass fraction of ${22}_{-13}^{+21}$%. The water world candidate TOI-1452b is a prime target for future atmospheric characterization with JWST, featuring a transmission spectroscopy metric similar to other well-known temperate small planets such as LHS 1140b and K2-18 b. The system is located near Webb's northern continuous viewing zone, implying that is can be followed at almost any moment of the year.
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Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:39:43 PM EDT
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This is real question.

Why would anything anywhere vary too far from what is on earth?  

I know we don't know everything, but going by physics, stuff should not vary too far from what it is here.

So yea, there is hydrogen and O2 that combined somewhere.
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Do you mean plant & animal life, or chemistry?  The chemistry is likely, like mathematics, the same.  But looking at marsupials in Australia & New zealand or finches in the galapagos & subtle changes occur while these critters are mostly confined & not wordly distributed.  But the biggest issues are any off-planet world changing disasters, like meteors, comets, seismic activity that leads to tsunamis, etc.

The may be in the preCambrian era… bugs.  Big, nasty bigs!
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:42:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:43:42 PM EDT
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Head on over...
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:51:23 PM EDT
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Space isn't real.  Deception of Satan.
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Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:53:06 PM EDT
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If we could mount a manned expedition that could travel as fast as the Voyager spacecraft, it would only take 1,772,000 Earth years to get there
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And a solar sail could achieve 10 percent light speed. Few hundred years from now, who knows?  First flight with people  about 1780s. First space flight 1960s. 2300-2400?
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:55:20 PM EDT
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It's in the goldilocks zone,  too!
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Great.  Space bears?  Fuck that.
Link Posted: 8/28/2022 11:57:00 PM EDT
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damn

we'll be hunting for it's tracks and fur FOREVER!
Link Posted: 8/29/2022 12:10:55 AM EDT
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SIASL, Ranxerox911

Yeah, from the exoplanet data we've got so far, we're finding that our Solar System is not at all typical. Before the exoplanet discoveries, we kind of assumed that many star systems would follow the rough pattern of ours.

Smaller rocky planets closer in, where the central star cooks away most of the volatiles like water and hydrogen etc. And then gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn, and in-betweener ice-gisnts like Uranus and Neptune out where it's colder, then maybe some more icy runts like Pluto, Sedena, and Quaoar, and comets.

We expected differences of course, but roughly that pattern.

This is not what we're finding.  Jupiter sized gas giants glowing red hot because they somehow spiraled in after forming and now orbit several times closer to their star than Mercury does our Sun. Rocky cores of gas giants that had all the gas blown away by its star. Planets that are bigger than Earth, that may be water all the way through, but the pressure inside after several miles is so great it's "hot ice" in crystalline forms very different than regular ice here on Earth. Ones we can make sometimes in a laboratory diamond vise just a few micrograms at a time.

And there's "puffball" planets that might be gas almost all the way through, unlike Jupiter and Saturn which quickly build up pressure and density to liquid, then metallic hydrogen etc. And we're not completely sure how these "puffy" gas giants stay together.

Add to that 95% of stars are Red Dwarf Class M stars, unlike our G class yellow Sun, it's becoming more and more apparent that our Solar System may be the really weird one.

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This is why I'm less and less optimistic about finding alien life with every new bit of data that comes in. It looks more and more like our solar system is quite the aberration, at least in the Milky Way.

Besides the configuration of planets it also appears that Earth has a very unusual, possibly unique chemical makeup with an abundance of phosphorus. An essential element for life as we know it. It appears to be in short supply in the rest of the visible universe. Which might mean that when we become a Kardashev 2 civilization we will have to mass produce it out of Silica subjected to neutron bombardment in order to colonize other star systems.

Or perhaps by then we will have cracked fusion and we will be able to make all the phosphorus we need out of lighter elements?

As for getting out there. With current technology we can build an Orion Drive, which will get colony ships out there at a significant fraction of light speed. Within the realm of known physics we have concepts like the Shakadov sail or Kaplan thruster which turns our entire solar system into a ship.

Personally I don't believe that we will ever get an FTL drive. In scientific terms FTL= time travel. Which opens up a variety of ugly possibilities. I don't think we will manage gravity manipulation either. I think the consequences from that could be horrifying. So we will not have a future that looks like Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica or for that matter most science fiction.

I believe we will have a future far grander and far stranger than what most people currently alive can comprehend. Quite simply, once we get out of this gravity well in a big way, priorities change, big time.

Or perhaps we will commit suicide as a species first. Could go either way.
Link Posted: 8/29/2022 12:12:22 AM EDT
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That's where that fish from half life got beamed in from

No thanks
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Lol, the Ichthyosaur. The stuff of nightmares.
Link Posted: 8/29/2022 12:20:26 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/29/2022 12:34:52 AM EDT
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100 light years really isn't that far away. I doubt the planet disappeared in the last 100 years.
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Yeah, 587 trillion miles is practically next door!
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