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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:59:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a matter of fact I just had an article pop up on my Google start page about the "trucks with the worst reliability." Must be long term reliability because it was the 2019 Ranger. I get pop-up that say hot women in my area are hot to have sex with me, but that isn't happening. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:03:52 PM EDT
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Ford and GM are unfortunately woke AF, can't recall seeing any of that from Toyota. Then again most of the right doesn't really have any standards and will give money to their enemies to spite themselves so that might not be a concern.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 3:07:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't your people drive Ridgelines?  |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 4:54:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes I do. It's the best truck of 8 that I have owned. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84570/20191029_115911-1158662.jpg Whether one considers the Ridgeline a "real truck" or not. One has to admit that for whatever it is, its a damn fine vehicle. It fits a niche that in reality, probably 70% of "real truck" owners fall into. Capable, comfortable and well thought out. And....with all the liberal style "fake outrage" it somehow recieves......99.9% of "real truck" owners have never even been in one. If they made one with a 6 foot bed and looked good in that configuration, I'd have one. I'd set my Tacoma on fire and push it off a cliff for one. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:00:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You need to do some research on your own. It's not wise to base an opinion on only one source. It's even less wise to rely on your own personal opinion. The fact is, right now, across many sources, the Tacoma ranks at or near the bottom in reliability rankings in both the mid-size segment, and the truck market as a whole. And this is separate from the powertrain performance issues. Tundra does rank at or near the top Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Uhh...Tacoma. The new Ranger has a terrible reliability score and GMC Canyon is LOL bad. Do you have a source for this information? Do you own a Taco, Ranger or Canyon? Nearly every source I’ve read has the Ranger with great reliability including those that own them and have posted in this thread. I’m not spouting off as a fanboi but rather as someone who owned a Taco and now owns a Ranger. The Ranger is a much better truck especially modded in nearly every aspect. His source is his ass. Tacoma is at or near the bottom of the barrel for reliability ratings according most any source. Ranger and the GM twins rank significantly higher than the Toyota, as does the Frontier. Then those rankings are worthless. The Tacoma has endless complaints about the behavior/driveability of the transmission, but it has very few complaints about actual mechanical failures of any kind. Meanwhile, the GM 8L45 and 8L90 8 speed transmissions might be the worst transmissions we've seen in any truck in decades. Many torque converters and entire transmissions have been replaced. Supposedly, a change in fluid spec "fixes" the problem, but I'm skeptical. It's fun to poke at the Toyota fanboys and call out the actual shortcomings of Toyota's trucks. The payload ratings are inexcusably terrible, the interiors suck, and they burn too much fuel relative to their capabilities. But the Tacoma and Tundra are still the safest bet for reliability in their respective segments. You need to do some research on your own. It's not wise to base an opinion on only one source. It's even less wise to rely on your own personal opinion. The fact is, right now, across many sources, the Tacoma ranks at or near the bottom in reliability rankings in both the mid-size segment, and the truck market as a whole. And this is separate from the powertrain performance issues. Tundra does rank at or near the top I have. By far and away, the overwhelming majority of complaints and service department visits for the Tacoma have been related to transmission programming. Outside of that, what actual mechanical failures is the Tacoma known for? |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:07:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhh...Tacoma. The new Ranger has a terrible reliability score and GMC Canyon is LOL bad. Maybe I got a lemon? |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:09:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have. By far and away, the overwhelming majority of complaints and service department visits for the Tacoma have been related to transmission programming. Outside of that, what actual mechanical failures is the Tacoma known for? Did they ever fix the differential whine on the TRD O/R DCSB? Mine howled like a mother fucker over 35mph. Lots of other complaints I had about my 17 Taco, but it didn't leave me stranded. It just had a bunch of warranty issues in two months so I said fuck it and traded it back in for another mustang. My ranger is by FAR a better truck. Leaps and bounds. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 9:32:13 AM EDT
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Anyone else think the Ranger 4cyl turbo is slower passing at interstate speeds?
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Posted: 4/24/2021 9:36:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else think the Ranger 4cyl turbo is slower passing at interstate speeds? |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:13:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else think the Ranger 4cyl turbo is slower passing at interstate speeds? For a midsize truck, I do not. The power from the turbo 4 is more than adequate for the truck. There is a factory performance upgrade that is available from Ford if you need 300 hp and 375 lbs. ft. Even after moving up to 33” tires, I’ve never felt the Ranger was lacking HP. The 10 speed transmission mated to the Ecoboost was a brilliant move by the Ford engineers, I’ve had it drop down 3 or 4 gears to keep the engine in its power band to effortlessly pass slower traffic at interstate speeds. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:22:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drive them and see what you think. Other people's opinions don't really matter if you hate driving it. Following up on that my two cents: If you're going to keep it forever and don't care too much about the latest/greatest in tech then a V6 4x4 Tacoma would be my first pick. If you want some drivetrain diversity then i'd look at the Canyon/Colorado. They have some nice amenities too. While I like the drivetrain and looks of the ranger it was dated even brand new as it was based on the global platform which has been around as long as the tacoma. So that kind of defaults me back to the taco. I wasn't really that impressed with the interior and if you build one out it gets into F150 territory pretty easily to where it's probably worth the scope creep to just jump back into the 1/2 ton. If it's something you don't want to keep forever then i'd say give this one a shot. Most reviews on them aren't terrible and are a great alternative to the Taco and GM midsize trucks. Also if you're not really going to do much off-roading then a 2nd gen Ridgeline should be something else to consider. They get poo-poo'd here a lot but they are fantastic urban utility vehicles, especially if you're not going to tow as you mentioned. I almost got a ridgeline in '07 but the 5.7L tundra won out because i'm a drivetrain snob even though the Ridgeline was objectively better for all of my requirements. The 2nd gen ones look a milion times better then the 1st gen ridgelines too. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:23:42 AM EDT
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Tacoma Fan Boy... on my second.
I'd test drive all three. I'd lean Ranger from the seat of my couch right now. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:24:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else think the Ranger 4cyl turbo is slower passing at interstate speeds? No issue observed here. I can accelerate easy from 70mph to pass. I never once felt like I didn’t have enough power to pass anyone I needed to. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:26:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of those have cramped shitbox interiors tighter than a Honda Civic. Comfort isn't good, storage sucks, and there's no room for adults in the back seat. Tell us what you mean by "light offroading." I'd say it's still hard to beat the value of a half ton, and if you want something smaller and cheaper that'll never tow, the answer is probably... Honda Ridgeline. Yep. I thought I always wanted a Taco. When I was shopping around, I sat in one (2017). I barely fit. For whatever reason, the RAV4 had WAY more room. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:30:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For a midsize truck, I do not. The power from the turbo 4 is more than adequate for the truck. There is a factory performance upgrade that is available from Ford if you need 300 hp and 375 lbs. ft. Even after moving up to 33" tires, I've never felt the Ranger was lacking HP. The 10 speed transmission mated to the Ecoboost was a brilliant move by the Ford engineers, I've had it drop down 3 or 4 gears to keep the engine in its power band to effortlessly pass slower traffic at interstate speeds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone else think the Ranger 4cyl turbo is slower passing at interstate speeds? For a midsize truck, I do not. The power from the turbo 4 is more than adequate for the truck. There is a factory performance upgrade that is available from Ford if you need 300 hp and 375 lbs. ft. Even after moving up to 33" tires, I've never felt the Ranger was lacking HP. The 10 speed transmission mated to the Ecoboost was a brilliant move by the Ford engineers, I've had it drop down 3 or 4 gears to keep the engine in its power band to effortlessly pass slower traffic at interstate speeds. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:31:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else think the Ranger 4cyl turbo is slower passing at interstate speeds? On paper, that should be one of the Ranger's strengths. Between the power delivery of the 2.3L EB and the gear ratios of the 10 speed, the Ranger should have more power available in more situations than any other midsizer. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:32:56 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else think the Ranger 4cyl turbo is slower passing at interstate speeds? Nope, I often find myself unintentionally getting up to 90+mph when I am passing. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:39:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone else think the Ranger 4cyl turbo is slower passing at interstate speeds? Compared to the taco I had, the Ranger is a rocket ship. I used to worry about merging onto the toll roads here with a speed limit of 85 because everyone else was doing 95+ and the taco was so fucking slow |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:42:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have. By far and away, the overwhelming majority of complaints and service department visits for the Tacoma have been related to transmission programming. Outside of that, what actual mechanical failures is the Tacoma known for? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Uhh...Tacoma. The new Ranger has a terrible reliability score and GMC Canyon is LOL bad. Do you have a source for this information? Do you own a Taco, Ranger or Canyon? Nearly every source I’ve read has the Ranger with great reliability including those that own them and have posted in this thread. I’m not spouting off as a fanboi but rather as someone who owned a Taco and now owns a Ranger. The Ranger is a much better truck especially modded in nearly every aspect. His source is his ass. Tacoma is at or near the bottom of the barrel for reliability ratings according most any source. Ranger and the GM twins rank significantly higher than the Toyota, as does the Frontier. Then those rankings are worthless. The Tacoma has endless complaints about the behavior/driveability of the transmission, but it has very few complaints about actual mechanical failures of any kind. Meanwhile, the GM 8L45 and 8L90 8 speed transmissions might be the worst transmissions we've seen in any truck in decades. Many torque converters and entire transmissions have been replaced. Supposedly, a change in fluid spec "fixes" the problem, but I'm skeptical. It's fun to poke at the Toyota fanboys and call out the actual shortcomings of Toyota's trucks. The payload ratings are inexcusably terrible, the interiors suck, and they burn too much fuel relative to their capabilities. But the Tacoma and Tundra are still the safest bet for reliability in their respective segments. You need to do some research on your own. It's not wise to base an opinion on only one source. It's even less wise to rely on your own personal opinion. The fact is, right now, across many sources, the Tacoma ranks at or near the bottom in reliability rankings in both the mid-size segment, and the truck market as a whole. And this is separate from the powertrain performance issues. Tundra does rank at or near the top I have. By far and away, the overwhelming majority of complaints and service department visits for the Tacoma have been related to transmission programming. Outside of that, what actual mechanical failures is the Tacoma known for? The newer ones did have rear end diff issues with noise/improper fitting and seeping with some years. Lots of complaints about their audio system and glitches. Of any made in the past 10 years, the last year [15] of the second generation had about the best track record for reliability. It was a very well proven design by that time even if it didn't offer all the bells and whistles that many people want. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:45:48 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drive them and see what you think. Other people's opinions don't really matter if you hate driving it. This. Tacos are great,if they fit you. OP, there is also the Gladiator. If that kind of thing floats your boat. I think all of your options will fit your needs. They all have 4x4 options, some better then others. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:46:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, I often find myself unintentionally getting up to 90+mph when I am passing. My 10 year old daughter from the back seat, “hey dad, you’re driving 90 mph again and I think we just passed a cop.” |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 11:18:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Compared to the taco I had, the Ranger is a rocket ship. I used to worry about merging onto the toll roads here with a speed limit of 85 because everyone else was doing 95+ and the taco was so fucking slow Yep. People do the "if you want fast buy a car, it's a truck!" Problem is, I don't want to die trying to get into traffic. A buddy has a "fun" jeep, it's nice even though it's a jeep, he has all that shit bolted on to it, and it's not fun to drive on the road. It also takes longer to get places, not because it's slow, but because you have a tough time with other drivers. A DD truck, it's nice to have some acceleration. I've driven plenty of Rangers, they have plenty of acceleration (I still prefer my V8 F150 which is fast as shit). The Taco is marginal in todays market. You can tune a Ranger and have a Ford warranty, not the best tune for the money, but you get a warranty. There are some really great tunes out there for Fords, too bad premium gas is so much more expensive in my area than regular (+ $.80 on average.) |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 12:16:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you are basing your claim that the Ranger has a terrible reliability score based off of a Google pop up ad that you can’t link a source to? Gotcha. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you have a source for this information? Do you own a Taco, Ranger or Canyon? Nearly every source I’ve read has the Ranger with great reliability including those that own them and have posted in this thread. I’m not spouting off as a fanboi but rather as someone who owned a Taco and now owns a Ranger. The Ranger is a much better truck especially modded in nearly every aspect. As a matter of fact I just had an article pop up on my Google start page about the "trucks with the worst reliability." Must be long term reliability because it was the 2019 Ranger. I owned a Tacoma for many years putting 200K+ relatively trouble free miles on it. Brakes, tires, batteries, more tires, a starter and some new leaf springs after hauling a way too heavy load of firewood. More tires too. My buddy owns a GMC Canyon 4x4 with the deisel and it's been in the shop almost as much as the road. They've pulled the entire body off twice. I can't remember the entire story and I think he's a little embarrassed about it at this point, so I don't get as many updates. I know for sure it's had the entire engine replaced once and the tranny twice. He's stopped complaining about it because we give him so much shit. So you are basing your claim that the Ranger has a terrible reliability score based off of a Google pop up ad that you can’t link a source to? Gotcha. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif Although I didn't mention it because it may not be entirely relevant, but I have owned a Ranger V6 4x4 in the past. A 1992 model that I sold after 3 years of problems. Ford will never see another dime from me for selling me that piece of shit years ago. Fool me once... |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 12:36:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Although I didn't mention it because it may not be entirely relevant, but I have owned a Ranger V6 4x4 in the past. A 1992 model that I sold after 3 years of problems. Ford will never see another dime from me for selling me that piece of shit years ago. Fool me once... Most domestics from the 90s were shit. I had a '98 S-10 when I was in high school. At 55k miles it had already blown a head gasket, cracked (as in had a hole the size of my pinky finger) an exhaust manifold, and needed a trans rebuild. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 5:30:27 PM EDT
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30k on my 19. Gas mileage is not great, especially if you have heavy foot. Pretty happy overall though, my last one lasted 15 years, hoping this one is as good.
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Posted: 4/25/2021 1:27:25 AM EDT
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With the used market being insane right now, I took my 19 Ranger with 25k miles in to see what the dealer would offer since Carvana offered $31k. After rebates, that's what I paid for mine brand new. They offered 30k, so I left with a 2021 Ranger Tremor
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Posted: 4/25/2021 4:42:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: With the used market being insane right now, I took my 19 Ranger with 25k miles in to see what the dealer would offer since Carvana offered $31k. After rebates, that's what I paid for mine brand new. They offered 30k, so I left with a 2021 Ranger Tremor https://i.imgur.com/17VE23B.jpg That's nuts |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 3:54:26 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With the used market being insane right now, I took my 19 Ranger with 25k miles in to see what the dealer would offer since Carvana offered $31k. After rebates, that's what I paid for mine brand new. They offered 30k, so I left with a 2021 Ranger Tremor https://i.imgur.com/17VE23B.jpg Sweet rig! |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 4:01:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whether one considers the Ridgeline a "real truck" or not. One has to admit that for whatever it is, its a damn fine vehicle. It fits a niche that in reality, probably 70% of "real truck" owners fall into. Capable, comfortable and well thought out. And....with all the liberal style "fake outrage" it somehow recieves......99.9% of "real truck" owners have never even been in one. If they made one with a 6 foot bed and looked good in that configuration, I'd have one. I'd set my Tacoma on fire and push it off a cliff for one. You will never get a unibody pickup with a decent sized bed. Hell, the 1st gen Ridgelines had enough problems with twisting. |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 4:02:47 PM EDT
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Of the 3 in the thread title, I'd choose a 4WD Tacoma based on my perception of Toyota's reliability and I also prefer the way it looks. I also find the new 2022 Nissan Frontier very interesting (since I love my Xterra), but that might be too far off for you.
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have about 58k on the clock on my 2019 Ranger. Except for killing an alternator (almost certainly my fault), it has been perfect. City driving, road trips, trails in the Ozarks. Not a single problem. Maybe I got a lemon? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Uhh...Tacoma. The new Ranger has a terrible reliability score and GMC Canyon is LOL bad. Maybe I got a lemon? |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 4:24:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You will never get a unibody pickup with a decent sized bed. Hell, the 1st gen Ridgelines had enough problems with twisting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whether one considers the Ridgeline a "real truck" or not. One has to admit that for whatever it is, its a damn fine vehicle. It fits a niche that in reality, probably 70% of "real truck" owners fall into. Capable, comfortable and well thought out. And....with all the liberal style "fake outrage" it somehow recieves......99.9% of "real truck" owners have never even been in one. If they made one with a 6 foot bed and looked good in that configuration, I'd have one. I'd set my Tacoma on fire and push it off a cliff for one. You will never get a unibody pickup with a decent sized bed. Hell, the 1st gen Ridgelines had enough problems with twisting. On a car adapted unibody that's probably true. They can also do weird stuff like on the new transit vans where they basically built a frame structure in the unibody. |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 9:19:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of the 3 in the thread title, I'd choose a 4WD Tacoma based on my perception of Toyota's reliability and I also prefer the way it looks. I also find the new 2022 Nissan Frontier very interesting (since I love my Xterra), but that might be too far off for you. Out of curiosity, how do you kill an alternator by your own actions? Quote HistoryQuoted: Of the 3 in the thread title, I'd choose a 4WD Tacoma based on my perception of Toyota's reliability and I also prefer the way it looks. I also find the new 2022 Nissan Frontier very interesting (since I love my Xterra), but that might be too far off for you. Quoted: Quoted: Uhh...Tacoma. The new Ranger has a terrible reliability score and GMC Canyon is LOL bad. Maybe I got a lemon? |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 9:28:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the used market being insane right now, I took my 19 Ranger with 25k miles in to see what the dealer would offer since Carvana offered $31k. After rebates, that's what I paid for mine brand new. They offered 30k, so I left with a 2021 Ranger Tremor https://i.imgur.com/17VE23B.jpg Beautiful truck, I want to pick up a used one when things settle down. |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 9:30:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ford and GM are unfortunately woke AF, can't recall seeing any of that from Toyota. Then again most of the right doesn't really have any standards and will give money to their enemies to spite themselves so that might not be a concern. Toyota jumped on the BLM movement quicker than anyone else, we just tend to ignore that happened around here though. |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 10:29:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whether one considers the Ridgeline a "real truck" or not. One has to admit that for whatever it is, its a damn fine vehicle. It fits a niche that in reality, probably 70% of "real truck" owners fall into. Capable, comfortable and well thought out. And....with all the liberal style "fake outrage" it somehow recieves......99.9% of "real truck" owners have never even been in one. If they made one with a 6 foot bed and looked good in that configuration, I'd have one. I'd set my Tacoma on fire and push it off a cliff for one. This is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 10:48:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the used market being insane right now, I took my 19 Ranger with 25k miles in to see what the dealer would offer since Carvana offered $31k. After rebates, that's what I paid for mine brand new. They offered 30k, so I left with a 2021 Ranger Tremor https://i.imgur.com/17VE23B.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2021 3:09:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beautiful truck, I want to pick up a used one when things settle down. I'm enjoying it so far! Need to get out and test the suspension vs my old XLT 4x4 from before. 
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