Saw that fight.

Tyson was grossly out of shape & it was after Cus D'Amato died. Tyson was dealing with his psycho wife & her mother.

How did Douglas do after beating Tyson though?  

So Rocky still beat him.

ROCKY

The Marciano crowd would watch him get wrecked. Clay or Tyson in their primes were the most dangerous boxers on the planet. Both had speed, power and the 3rd component, ring generalship. They were intelligent, they ought thought their opponents then ought fought them.

5'10" 185? He never faced anyone like Clay or Tyson. No one in his era had their combination of speed and power.  In this era, he would cut weight and fight as a light heavyweight.

Between Clay and Tyson, I'll pick Tyson but it's a coin toss.

Meh Bruce Lee could wup them all.

Jamie, pull that video up.

Rocky fought at something like 185 pounds. Last night we learned apparently he fought at 305 pounds.


Only on arfcom did Rocky have 90 fucking pounds on joe Louis.

"Even in Louis’ pugilistic dotage, however, there were more than a few of his backers who helped send him off as a 7-5 wagering choice over Marciano, and not solely for sentimental reasons. At 6-foot-2 and a career-high 213¾ pounds, Louis was 3½ inches taller and 29¾ pounds heavier than his squatty opponent, a physical prototype of future champs Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson. "

I wouldn't count out Marciano entirely, as both Joe Frazier and eventually Ali considered him to be a superior swarming slugging infighter to Joe Frazier.

Anyway its hard to compare fighters from such different areas though, since in Marciano's day most heavyweights came in light with the intent of being mobile and active as possible over the course of a long fight, while by Tyson's time, most heavyweights went out of their way to bulk up and were roided.

A Marciano that had a career in the '80s or later might have fought at his 1950s walk around weight of 220 lbs assuming he competed at heavyweight.

Yes and with Cus D'Amato managing him

The thing that everybody forgets about Ali is that he could also absorb a lot of punishment and still keep going.  Plus, he didn't just fight in the ring:

Tyson was a beast, what most people aren't mentioning here is he was shorter than almost everyone maybe even everyone he fought.  He had the speed, the ability, the endurance and smarts to get it done.  I should have won $100 on the first Holyfield fight but the bitch that I bet wouldn't pay me.  Also I was in Vegas for before that fight, I think this was my first time in Vegas and I told my dad that I should put $100 on Holyfield and he said do it.  I'd never bet on a fight and didn't even know what to do so I didn't.  I was still nervous when I finally did it for the first time a decade at least a decade later.

There was a Russian dude I enjoyed watching back in the early-mid 90's, had a crazy reach and as a result used to get lots of low blows when he threw an uppercut. They used to put shorts on his heavy bag it was such a problem.  If he had learned to control that uppercut I think we would have been talking about him.  I watched him punch a dude in the nuts so hard his feet came off the mat a couple of inches.  I think he ended up getting dq'd too many times.

One of the Klitschko brothers?