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Posted: 8/26/2024 6:25:05 PM EDT
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Its still alive in Europe, Asia, S.America.
But young kids no longer have an idol to look up to and try be like. The next gen Hendrix and EVH have no interest and would rather play roblox. All the corporate money in the 90s went into boy bands, because preteens spend a lot of their parents on that shit. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 9:23:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: I love Bandcamp. Not only can you find pretty much anything you want, but bands can self release stuff there too. Exposure like that from no-name bands wasn't possible in the "good ole days" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Network_Daddy: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By smarquez: Originally Posted By thawntex: Yes they do. Kids also sing and play guitar, drums, bass, and keyboards. Places like School of Rock wouldn't exist if they didn't. A couple of weeks ago I sat behind the mixing board for an entire day of kids playing rock music. Some of them were really good, too. But are those kids creating new stuff or playing covers? I have been in a Guitar Center a couple times last week and there were parents buying their kids guitars. One kid playing an e-drum set. There were 10 or so boomers finger fucking the cheap guitars. I don't see rock expanding anymore. It's a very small market unless you are a legacy band. Kansas, Foreigner etc. Hell, Kansas only has one original member left. They are literally dying off. The radio gods aren't interested in originality anymore. Pulp crap written on a computer is what they want. Rock and metal didn't die, the way people consume it simply changed and some people haven't figured that out yet. This is very true. You can't compare music consumption habits of my generation with the current one. And the media landscape is different. But if you want to find the most niche genre bands you can go on Bandcamp or other services and rock to your hearts content. I love Bandcamp. Not only can you find pretty much anything you want, but bands can self release stuff there too. Exposure like that from no-name bands wasn't possible in the "good ole days" The labels filtered out much of the noise, back in the day. Now days you have to sift through mountains and mountains of trash to maybe find something decent. The new system isn’t necessarily better or worse, jus very different. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 9:26:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: No it didn't....there's more of it than ever, and a surprising amount of it is great quality too. You just won't find it on the radio...but who cares? If you have an internet connection you can find more good rock and metal than at any other time in history. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Bronsonburner: Seem to fall off the face of the earth towards the end if the nineties? Of course, it's still there, and there are still new great bands making music, but you won't hear it on mainstream radio anymore. It's all "pop cuntry" and hip-hop sounding garbage. WTF happened? They said it would never die, but, for all intents and purposes, it did.  No it didn't....there's more of it than ever, and a surprising amount of it is great quality too. You just won't find it on the radio...but who cares? If you have an internet connection you can find more good rock and metal than at any other time in history. Debatable- but you do have to sift through more garbage than ever befor to (maybe) find it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 9:27:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: There are a huge number of rock and metal bands creating new stuff. In fact, there's a huge resurgence of traditional metal right now. Rock and metal didn't die, the way people consume it simply changed and some people haven't figured that out yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By smarquez: Originally Posted By thawntex: Yes they do. Kids also sing and play guitar, drums, bass, and keyboards. Places like School of Rock wouldn't exist if they didn't. A couple of weeks ago I sat behind the mixing board for an entire day of kids playing rock music. Some of them were really good, too. But are those kids creating new stuff or playing covers? I have been in a Guitar Center a couple times last week and there were parents buying their kids guitars. One kid playing an e-drum set. There were 10 or so boomers finger fucking the cheap guitars. I don't see rock expanding anymore. It's a very small market unless you are a legacy band. Kansas, Foreigner etc. Hell, Kansas only has one original member left. They are literally dying off. The radio gods aren't interested in originality anymore. Pulp crap written on a computer is what they want. Rock and metal didn't die, the way people consume it simply changed and some people haven't figured that out yet. That is absolutely true. The whole makeup of the music biz has changed. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 9:33:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: That is absolutely true. The whole makeup of the music biz has changed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By smarquez: Originally Posted By thawntex: Yes they do. Kids also sing and play guitar, drums, bass, and keyboards. Places like School of Rock wouldn't exist if they didn't. A couple of weeks ago I sat behind the mixing board for an entire day of kids playing rock music. Some of them were really good, too. But are those kids creating new stuff or playing covers? I have been in a Guitar Center a couple times last week and there were parents buying their kids guitars. One kid playing an e-drum set. There were 10 or so boomers finger fucking the cheap guitars. I don't see rock expanding anymore. It's a very small market unless you are a legacy band. Kansas, Foreigner etc. Hell, Kansas only has one original member left. They are literally dying off. The radio gods aren't interested in originality anymore. Pulp crap written on a computer is what they want. Rock and metal didn't die, the way people consume it simply changed and some people haven't figured that out yet. That is absolutely true. The whole makeup of the music biz has changed. That’s true… But bands still play live. They have to. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:41:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bud7h7]
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Seems obvious to me that it correlates with the direction and general state of society (in the shitter).
As technology exponentially advances, for better or worse, we're becoming less human, metaphorically speaking. The result is that all we consume and engage in is becoming a cheap, quick, pitiful imitation of it's predicessor . . . because it just doesn't matter like it used to. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:46:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RolandofGilead]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Debatable- but you do have to sift through more garbage than ever befor to (maybe) find it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Bronsonburner: Seem to fall off the face of the earth towards the end if the nineties? Of course, it's still there, and there are still new great bands making music, but you won't hear it on mainstream radio anymore. It's all "pop cuntry" and hip-hop sounding garbage. WTF happened? They said it would never die, but, for all intents and purposes, it did. No it didn't....there's more of it than ever, and a surprising amount of it is great quality too. You just won't find it on the radio...but who cares? If you have an internet connection you can find more good rock and metal than at any other time in history. Debatable- but you do have to sift through more garbage than ever befor to (maybe) find it. You do, but ones man garbage is another man's Sleep Token. I prefer it this way vs having the record company say "here's some more shitty deathcore, suck it nerd" (I hate sleep token lol) |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:46:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bud7h7: Seems obvious to me that it correlates with the direction and general state of society (in the shitter). As technology exponentially advances, for better or worse, we're becoming less human, metaphorically speaking. The result is that all we consume and engage in is becoming a cheap, quick, pitiful imitation of it's predicessor . . . because it just doesn't matter like it used to. Nope. The herd is thinned. There are still people doing it for real. The weak ones curl up in the fetal position and stare at their phones. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:50:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bronsonburner: Seem to fall off the face of the earth towards the end if the nineties? Of course, it's still there, and there are still new great bands making music, but you won't hear it on mainstream radio anymore. It's all "pop cuntry" and hip-hop sounding garbage. WTF happened? They said it would never die, but, for all intents and purposes, it did. It has too much soul. It brings you to life too much and is too American. The owners cannot build a new, soulless society until the old society has been completely destroyed. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:54:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willyj73: It has too much soul. It brings you to life too much and is too American. The owners cannot build a new, soulless society until the old society has been completely destroyed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willyj73: Originally Posted By Bronsonburner: Seem to fall off the face of the earth towards the end if the nineties? Of course, it's still there, and there are still new great bands making music, but you won't hear it on mainstream radio anymore. It's all "pop cuntry" and hip-hop sounding garbage. WTF happened? They said it would never die, but, for all intents and purposes, it did. It has too much soul. It brings you to life too much and is too American. The owners cannot build a new, soulless society until the old society has been completely destroyed. You guys need to get out more |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bud7h7: Seems obvious to me that it correlates with the direction and general state of society (in the shitter). As technology exponentially advances, for better or worse, we're becoming less human, metaphorically speaking. The result is that all we consume and engage in is becoming a cheap, quick, pitiful imitation of it's predicessor . . . because it just doesn't matter like it used to. It's not that deep man. It's just that only old people listen to radio. The good stuff is found elsewhere. That's it... |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:08:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zach_: 92.5 KZPS might be available on internet radio. They are not perfect, but they are the best radio station around here. Music Choice on Spectrum has several good rock channels. We always listened to 92.5 when Mom would drive us to school. Was entertained one morning by this gem;  ?? ARMAGEDDON! Radio announcer (Robert D. Raiford) struggles with funny story! // DeeJayOne |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:47:58 PM EDT
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Just like every art form it reached it's peak and everything that came after was just a sad reminder that the high water mark had been achieved.
There were what, maybe 12 successive generations of what would be called "rock n' roll" and each of them peaked awhile back. Every now and then some group my come along and make something almost as good, but they won't really do anything that wasn't already done. Rock had a really good run, figure it was a real thing for about 50 years. People still produce jazz, but really it only had about 30 years. For rap it was barely 20. Classical for reasons cultural and technical (life span of the instruments involved before they got replaced with newer musical instruments) has had the longest life even if you don't include modern classical. I don't think we'll ever see another musical form that remains relevant for centuries. Technology creates too many new options too fast that any new music form won't even be fully explored before it is abandoned. Commercialism has always competed with talent for priority consideration but I think we are well past the tipping point. You have so few people who even listen to music now, they only seek a reinforcing message and the rest is image of whatever is popular with the target audience at the time. And the last time a counter culture movement tried to give us a non commercial music form we got "folk music" and most people would be challenged to name 10 songs not found on the soundtrack of "The Graduate" and it barely survived into the 1970s. There is also the factor that eventually each generation rebels against or reinvents their parents music. So just enjoy whatever you like listening to and don't worry about why it suddenly took a sharp artistic turn. The people who listen to programmable pop nonsense are irrelevant in any case. They will never be able to enjoy whatever crap they are listening to in their 20s well into adult hood and continually discover nuances that they never noticed before. In contrast I can listen to my father's Beatles records or my brothers Zepplin albums and still find enjoyment. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:56:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6EQUJ5: Just like every art form it reached it's peak and everything that came after was just a sad reminder that the high water mark had been achieved. There were what, maybe 12 successive generations of what would be called "rock n' roll" and each of them peaked awhile back. Every now and then some group my come along and make something almost as good, but they won't really do anything that wasn't already done. Rock had a really good run, figure it was a real thing for about 50 years... Just because YOU got old and tired, doesn’t mean that Rock and Roll did too. When was the last time you saw a small-venue, live show of Rock you had never heard? |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:10:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Just because YOU got old and tired, doesn’t mean that Rock and Roll did too. When was the last time you saw a small-venue, live show of Rock you had never heard? There seems to be a wierd split. It seems like those who grew up around the classic era think that's what rock is. I could go from AC/DC to offspring to Ghost and be loving all of it. There's bands I never heard of, but they opened a show at the Filmore downtown and crushed it and now have 1 more fan. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:19:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: xviperx420]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashHole: I blame Kurt Cobain. Grunge absolutely killed Rock N Roll Smells Like Teen Spirit took a club to the face of 70s and 80s rock and ushered in the Grunge era. Bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Korn, Soundgarden, Butthole Surfers, Hole, Garbage, Toadies, Pearl Jam, Kittie, and Tool exploded and the years of glam and cocaine fueled party rock died. Not everthing was awesome and happy like the previous era wanted to portray. Grunge exposed the ugly side of the rock life and showed that at some point that lifestyle quit being fun and eventually ran you into the gutter or the grave. Eta: music changes every 10 years or so. Go listen to stuff from the 40s, like The Andrews Sisters or Glen Miller. Then go into the 50s. Early Elvis, the Coasters, Patsy Cline. 60s had the beginnings of Ozzy, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin. 70s brought Kiss, Iron Maden, AC/DC, and Motorhead. 80s had Scorpions, Motley Crue, Mr. BIG, Def Leopard, Warrant, and even Green Day. 80s also had Pantera, Slayer, Metallica, and Anthrax. 90s was the grunge era. 2000s Lincoln Park became huge, Limp Bizkit, Arctic Monkeys, The Killers, and now over the last 20 years rock and metal have branched off into dozens of categories and each has their unique sound and style. Rock didnt die. It's exploded. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:29:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Just because YOU got old and tired, doesn't mean that Rock and Roll did too. When was the last time you saw a small-venue, live show of Rock you had never heard? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By 6EQUJ5: Just like every art form it reached it's peak and everything that came after was just a sad reminder that the high water mark had been achieved. There were what, maybe 12 successive generations of what would be called "rock n' roll" and each of them peaked awhile back. Every now and then some group my come along and make something almost as good, but they won't really do anything that wasn't already done. Rock had a really good run, figure it was a real thing for about 50 years... Just because YOU got old and tired, doesn't mean that Rock and Roll did too. When was the last time you saw a small-venue, live show of Rock you had never heard? The weirdest part is you could post a song by a band like Tanith and they'd complain that they aren't doing anything new and it's just an imitation of 70s rock. Alternatively I could post something truly new and different- King Gizzard that was mentioned earlier or something like DHG, Ayreon, Mgla, etc and they'd say "ew, no, not like that". There's no winning. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:31:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Smells Like Teen Spirit took a club to the face of 70s and 80s rock and ushered in the Grunge era. Bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Korn, Soundgarden, Butthole Surfers, Hole, Garbage, Toadies, Pearl Jam, Kittie, and Tool exploded and the years of glam and cocaine fueled party rock died. Not everthing was awesome and happy like the previous era wanted to portray. Grunge exposed the ugly side of the rock life and showed that at some point that lifestyle quit being fun and eventually ran you into the gutter or the grave. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By FlashHole: I blame Kurt Cobain. Grunge absolutely killed Rock N Roll Smells Like Teen Spirit took a club to the face of 70s and 80s rock and ushered in the Grunge era. Bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Korn, Soundgarden, Butthole Surfers, Hole, Garbage, Toadies, Pearl Jam, Kittie, and Tool exploded and the years of glam and cocaine fueled party rock died. Not everthing was awesome and happy like the previous era wanted to portray. Grunge exposed the ugly side of the rock life and showed that at some point that lifestyle quit being fun and eventually ran you into the gutter or the grave. That's maybe what was more popular, but I could also list killer metal albums from 1990 until grunge died until the heat death of the universe. Grunge didn't kill anything, it just kicked metal off the radio. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:32:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Smells Like Teen Spirit took a club to the face of 70s and 80s rock and ushered in the Grunge era. Bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Korn, Soundgarden, Butthole Surfers, Hole, Garbage, Toadies, Pearl Jam, Kittie, and Tool exploded and the years of glam and cocaine fueled party rock died. Not everthing was awesome and happy like the previous era wanted to portray. Grunge exposed the ugly side of the rock life and showed that at some point that lifestyle quit being fun and eventually ran you into the gutter or the grave. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By FlashHole: I blame Kurt Cobain. Grunge absolutely killed Rock N Roll Smells Like Teen Spirit took a club to the face of 70s and 80s rock and ushered in the Grunge era. Bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Korn, Soundgarden, Butthole Surfers, Hole, Garbage, Toadies, Pearl Jam, Kittie, and Tool exploded and the years of glam and cocaine fueled party rock died. Not everthing was awesome and happy like the previous era wanted to portray. Grunge exposed the ugly side of the rock life and showed that at some point that lifestyle quit being fun and eventually ran you into the gutter or the grave. Live fast and die young is the PROBLEM with Rock and Roll? |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:36:19 AM EDT
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Death of white culture.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:38:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King-Of-Town: Death of white culture. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:50:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: xviperx420]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Live fast and die young is the PROBLEM with Rock and Roll? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By FlashHole: I blame Kurt Cobain. Grunge absolutely killed Rock N Roll Smells Like Teen Spirit took a club to the face of 70s and 80s rock and ushered in the Grunge era. Bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Korn, Soundgarden, Butthole Surfers, Hole, Garbage, Toadies, Pearl Jam, Kittie, and Tool exploded and the years of glam and cocaine fueled party rock died. Not everthing was awesome and happy like the previous era wanted to portray. Grunge exposed the ugly side of the rock life and showed that at some point that lifestyle quit being fun and eventually ran you into the gutter or the grave. Live fast and die young is the PROBLEM with Rock and Roll? I was just saying going from stuff like Eye of the Tiger to Angry Chair was pretty drastic in terms of musical style. Postive and up beat to dark and brooding. So yes. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:58:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashHole: I blame Kurt Cobain. Grunge absolutely killed Rock N Roll |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 2:14:48 AM EDT
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I'm not that much into the live music scene anymore but in April. At a place called the Observatory in Santa Ana, CA.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 2:17:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: There are a huge number of rock and metal bands creating new stuff. In fact, there's a huge resurgence of traditional metal right now. Rock and metal didn't die, the way people consume it simply changed and some people haven't figured that out yet. I get it, my son is in a touring metal band right now and has played on several albums and tours. They play their hearts out. He just lives for it. It is just now a small market with no respect from the overall music industry. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 2:24:25 AM EDT
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To me classical, jazz, and metal save for a handful of pop and rock bands (and I'm sure a few other bands in genres I dont listen to) tend to be the most sincere. It's hard to describe but I think it's why grunge became popular. I also think it's why bands like Greta Van Fleet struggle.
Can someone post a GVF song that has the best or deepest lyrics? |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 2:28:40 AM EDT
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Let’s not also forget guitars and equipment are more expensive than ever. Even used gear is going for crazy prices. When I was in bands in high school and college (2002-2008 timeframe) a good use Gibson Les Paul standard could be had for $1200, now closer to $2000. Amps are the same increase.
From what I remember, we have to have our own gear (guitars amps, drums, etc) plus our own mics and PA. Huge costs then and massive ones now. Plus not a ton of good stuff coming out who kids want to emulate it seems. I still play but don’t see a ton of younger people getting into it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 3:05:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ragincajun1919: Let's not also forget guitars and equipment are more expensive than ever. Even used gear is going for crazy prices. When I was in bands in high school and college (2002-2008 timeframe) a good use Gibson Les Paul standard could be had for $1200, now closer to $2000. Amps are the same increase. From what I remember, we have to have our own gear (guitars amps, drums, etc) plus our own mics and PA. Huge costs then and massive ones now. Plus not a ton of good stuff coming out who kids want to emulate it seems. I still play but don't see a ton of younger people getting into it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 3:17:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GlutealCleft]
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People got tired of listening to music that reminded them of their parents' music, so styles evolved and changed.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 8:18:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Debatable- but you do have to sift through more garbage than ever befor to (maybe) find it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Bronsonburner: Seem to fall off the face of the earth towards the end if the nineties? Of course, it's still there, and there are still new great bands making music, but you won't hear it on mainstream radio anymore. It's all "pop cuntry" and hip-hop sounding garbage. WTF happened? They said it would never die, but, for all intents and purposes, it did. No it didn't....there's more of it than ever, and a surprising amount of it is great quality too. You just won't find it on the radio...but who cares? If you have an internet connection you can find more good rock and metal than at any other time in history. Debatable- but you do have to sift through more garbage than ever befor to (maybe) find it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 8:20:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: That’s true… But bands still play live. They have to. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By smarquez: Originally Posted By thawntex: Yes they do. Kids also sing and play guitar, drums, bass, and keyboards. Places like School of Rock wouldn't exist if they didn't. A couple of weeks ago I sat behind the mixing board for an entire day of kids playing rock music. Some of them were really good, too. But are those kids creating new stuff or playing covers? I have been in a Guitar Center a couple times last week and there were parents buying their kids guitars. One kid playing an e-drum set. There were 10 or so boomers finger fucking the cheap guitars. I don't see rock expanding anymore. It's a very small market unless you are a legacy band. Kansas, Foreigner etc. Hell, Kansas only has one original member left. They are literally dying off. The radio gods aren't interested in originality anymore. Pulp crap written on a computer is what they want. Rock and metal didn't die, the way people consume it simply changed and some people haven't figured that out yet. That is absolutely true. The whole makeup of the music biz has changed. That’s true… But bands still play live. They have to. Record sales were once how bands made money. Now, performing live is the only way to get paid. That’s one of the positives of the current model. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 8:26:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Smells Like Teen Spirit took a club to the face of 70s and 80s rock and ushered in the Grunge era. Bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Korn, Soundgarden, Butthole Surfers, Hole, Garbage, Toadies, Pearl Jam, Kittie, and Tool exploded and the years of glam and cocaine fueled party rock died. Not everthing was awesome and happy like the previous era wanted to portray. Grunge exposed the ugly side of the rock life and showed that at some point that lifestyle quit being fun and eventually ran you into the gutter or the grave. Eta: music changes every 10 years or so. Go listen to stuff from the 40s, like The Andrews Sisters or Glen Miller. Then go into the 50s. Early Elvis, the Coasters, Patsy Cline. 60s had the beginnings of Ozzy, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin. 70s brought Kiss, Iron Maden, AC/DC, and Motorhead. 80s had Scorpions, Motley Crue, Mr. BIG, Def Leopard, Warrant, and even Green Day. 80s also had Pantera, Slayer, Metallica, and Anthrax. 90s was the grunge era. 2000s Lincoln Park became huge, Limp Bizkit, Arctic Monkeys, The Killers, and now over the last 20 years rock and metal have branched off into dozens of categories and each has their unique sound and style. Rock didnt die. It's exploded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By FlashHole: I blame Kurt Cobain. Grunge absolutely killed Rock N Roll Smells Like Teen Spirit took a club to the face of 70s and 80s rock and ushered in the Grunge era. Bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Korn, Soundgarden, Butthole Surfers, Hole, Garbage, Toadies, Pearl Jam, Kittie, and Tool exploded and the years of glam and cocaine fueled party rock died. Not everthing was awesome and happy like the previous era wanted to portray. Grunge exposed the ugly side of the rock life and showed that at some point that lifestyle quit being fun and eventually ran you into the gutter or the grave. Eta: music changes every 10 years or so. Go listen to stuff from the 40s, like The Andrews Sisters or Glen Miller. Then go into the 50s. Early Elvis, the Coasters, Patsy Cline. 60s had the beginnings of Ozzy, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin. 70s brought Kiss, Iron Maden, AC/DC, and Motorhead. 80s had Scorpions, Motley Crue, Mr. BIG, Def Leopard, Warrant, and even Green Day. 80s also had Pantera, Slayer, Metallica, and Anthrax. 90s was the grunge era. 2000s Lincoln Park became huge, Limp Bizkit, Arctic Monkeys, The Killers, and now over the last 20 years rock and metal have branched off into dozens of categories and each has their unique sound and style. Rock didnt die. It's exploded. MTV marketed the fuck out of grunge, told suburbanites that was what was cool, and they believed it. They had previously done the same with ridiculous hair metal. Then, they dropped them like a hot potato and pushed hip hop. It wasn’t some zeitgeist, it was 100% marketing. Kids today listen to rap and edm. That’s what’s taken that slot in youth consciousness. Forms like rock and punk still exist, but they’re niche styles, which arguably they were always meant to be. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 8:48:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I heard someone explain this on a podcast recently. By the 90s all possible variations were played out. Nothing more to be done. I don't think so. Modern Metal bands with female vocalists that have incredible range like what's driving the scene now is like nothing that existed in the 90's, the music composed by the band is also nothing like what was in the 90's. Linkin Park is supposedly getting back into it with a female vocalist.  VINTERSEA - Crack of Light (Official Music Video) We've gone stagnant and instead of finding new bands and music to listen to, we listen to the same recordings for the 87,000th time. Illidiance is a good band, has a bunch of English songs and doesn’t use extreme vocals much.  ILLIDIANCE - "White Noise" lyric video |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 9:32:54 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thawntex: Algorithms work. Let them sift through the garbage for you. That is my favorite way to discover new music these days. Amazon music has a “station” (for lack of a better word) that is called “Your Discovery Mix”. It takes your style of music based on your past plays and finds you tunes you may like. It’s 50/50 but I skip right over the stuff I don’t care for. I have a lot of songs on my personal playlist that I would have never found if it wasn’t for the discovery mix button. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 9:49:19 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: I'm just here to congratulate OP for correctly using "for all intents and purposes". For all intensive porpoises 
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Posted: 8/27/2024 9:58:51 AM EDT
[#36]
There is no longer any good rock and roll music being made.
I think the drugs that were taken years ago by the artist were more conducive to making good music than the shit the artist are taking today. When LSD or mushrooms make a come back music will get better. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 10:14:07 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smarquez: I get it, my son is in a touring metal band right now and has played on several albums and tours. They play their hearts out. He just lives for it. It is just now a small market with no respect from the overall music industry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smarquez: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: There are a huge number of rock and metal bands creating new stuff. In fact, there's a huge resurgence of traditional metal right now. Rock and metal didn't die, the way people consume it simply changed and some people haven't figured that out yet. I get it, my son is in a touring metal band right now and has played on several albums and tours. They play their hearts out. He just lives for it. It is just now a small market with no respect from the overall music industry. I hear you, but some would argue that metal is supposed to be that way. Personally, I see both sides and I think I would just say this is sort of the "natural" way metal has mostly been. Yeah, there were a few big names, but for every Metallica you have 50 Jag Panzers, Mystic Forces, and Brocas Helms...I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 10:35:58 AM EDT
[#38]
The music industry by its very nature is designed to kill the music.
Jazz and Punk Rock MUST be recorded live, and not one track at a time. That's not the way the music industry likes it. Not to say that some brilliant music hasn't been the creation of that "over-produced" studio process. Pet Sounds and Sgt Pepper's were at the forefront. But that stuff was the beginning of the end. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 10:38:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Garik]
[#39]
Used to be laws preventing monopoly on radio. That changed, and one company bought a lot of stations.
My semi is specced for boomers so I just listen to old casettes and pretend this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:37:23 PM EDT
[#40]
Thanks for everyone’s input and thoughts. Lots to think about. It’s a pretty interesting modern change indeed.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 2:20:04 PM EDT
[#41]
For the first time in the history of modern music, parents' music is too loud and heavy for their kids.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 3:13:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: For all intensive porpoises Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: Originally Posted By Jambalaya: I'm just here to congratulate OP for correctly using "for all intents and purposes". For all intensive porpoises  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 3:28:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: I was just saying going from stuff like Eye of the Tiger to Angry Chair was pretty drastic in terms of musical style. Postive and up beat to dark and brooding. So yes. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 4:25:13 PM EDT
[#44]
I can't say I listen to a lot of newer rock and roll but I do still find new metal bands that are good. And a bit of country. The great thing for me is that there is so much metal from the 80's and 90's that I will never run out of fresh material. Lately discovered Theocracy which is probably my favorite power prog metal band of all time now. Not to mention newer metal bands like Necrot or Skeletal Remains or Eternal Champion, or Visigoth.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 4:34:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RolandofGilead]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Network_Daddy: I can't say I listen to a lot of newer rock and roll but I do still find new metal bands that are good. And a bit of country. The great thing for me is that there is so much metal from the 80's and 90's that I will never run out of fresh material. Lately discovered Theocracy which is probably my favorite power prog metal band of all time now. Not to mention newer metal bands like Necrot or Skeletal Remains or Eternal Champion, or Visigoth. Also, if you like more straight prog check out Nospun, they came out of nowhere and are like... Dream Theater with better melodies and less wankery (I like DT, just calling it like it is lol). ETA- There are so many great bands from the 80s and 90s, I still find new ones to me. My latest "discoveries" are Attackers first album which is criminally underrated and Mystic Force which is awesome power/prog that you should also check out. ETA2- Currently listening to Warlord's Free Spirit Soar- a classic 80s band with a new album in 2024, and it's pretty damn good. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 4:41:24 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOGVET: Check out Rick Beato on YouTube. He has many videos discussing this very issue. Thank Clearchannel and their ilk. Corporate has ruined main stream music. 92.5 KZPS? Ugh. I like Rick's videos. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 4:45:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManiacRat: OP if you get on YouTube it's the best place to find newer bands. They exist but just don't get airplay. Ghost is a good one. I like them a lot. But it'll start you down a rabbit hole. Fucking love Ghost. Got to see them in concert last year. Very fun show, lol. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 4:53:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Fucking love Ghost. Got to see them in concert last year. Very fun show, lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By ManiacRat: OP if you get on YouTube it's the best place to find newer bands. They exist but just don't get airplay. Ghost is a good one. I like them a lot. But it'll start you down a rabbit hole. Fucking love Ghost. Got to see them in concert last year. Very fun show, lol. Ghost is for posers  They do put on a good show, I saw them open for Maiden and I saw them when Mastodon opened for them. They're pretty fun. I always think if Ecclesia when someone mentions Ghost, them and Batushka which is what I expected Ghost to sound like based on their aesthetics lol. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 5:18:08 PM EDT
[#49]
I spend a lot of time working with young original rock bands. I even built one up from just an idea during the Covid lockdowns in 2020 and they are now about to go on tour opening for the Black Crowes next month and heading to Europe right after for a tour there. It’s nowhere near as big as it was but it’s still alive. Lots of badass young rockers out there.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 5:55:41 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: I spend a lot of time working with young original rock bands. I even built one up from just an idea during the Covid lockdowns in 2020 and they are now about to go on tour opening for the Black Crowes next month and heading to Europe right after for a tour there. It's nowhere near as big as it was but it's still alive. Lots of badass young rockers out there. 
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