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Posted: 10/25/2021 11:57:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He is a extra unhinged liberal, so...your first question is rhetorical - right? as to the second one, he is far too vain and self-centered to accept any responsibility for his actions - it was the guns fault. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The real question is why is Alec Baldwin so careless with firearms? And when will he commit suicide because of this? He is a extra unhinged liberal, so...your first question is rhetorical - right? as to the second one, he is far too vain and self-centered to accept any responsibility for his actions - it was the guns fault. Actually, this underscores the problem with the gun control "debate". They all know they cannot be trusted with firearms and assume that means no one can. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 11:57:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah like when they use a couch or a lamp for a scene you can't really sit on the couch or turn on the lamp.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s not a prop gun if it will chamber live ammo. It’s a firearm. Yeah like when they use a couch or a lamp for a scene you can't really sit on the couch or turn on the lamp. That probably sounded intelligent, in your head. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 11:58:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes I'm the stupid one who thinks all guns in movies are fake. they are generally rendered inoperable. They may be real guns but generally anything used by actors is made to not even be able to accept live ammo. Many guns in movies are just rubber props if the actor will be doing action stuff. There are limited scenes which may call for inserting ammunition in to a prop gun, these will accept ammo but shouldn't be able to fire and the ammo should be pulled down dummy rounds strictly controlled by an armorer and proper firearms safety rules should be followed. Sometimes scenes call for firing blank guns, this is more and more rare with special effects but safetty is usually taken very seriously when blanks are involved. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 11:58:13 AM EDT
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Idiots.
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:08:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This doesn't surprise me. A gunsmith buddy said it was common for people to bring their guns to him for work and their 'empty' guns would end up having live rounds in them. My LGS has a “jar of shame” for the rounds in the chambers of guns brought in. Hasn’t even been open that long and has a bunch. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:14:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, this underscores the problem with the gun control "debate". They all know they cannot be trusted with firearms and assume that means no one can. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The real question is why is Alec Baldwin so careless with firearms? And when will he commit suicide because of this? He is a extra unhinged liberal, so...your first question is rhetorical - right? as to the second one, he is far too vain and self-centered to accept any responsibility for his actions - it was the guns fault. Actually, this underscores the problem with the gun control "debate". They all know they cannot be trusted with firearms and assume that means no one can. oh you know for sure he'll use this as an anecdote in the future to support his desire for gun control. Fuck that guy, I hope he's racked with guilt and self doubt to the point he has a nervous breakdown... although as dorobuta correctly points out, he probably won't because he's a sociopath/democrat |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they are generally rendered inoperable. They may be real guns but generally anything used by actors is made to not even be able to accept live ammo. Many guns in movies are just rubber props if the actor will be doing action stuff. There are limited scenes which may call for inserting ammunition in to a prop gun, these will accept ammo but shouldn't be able to fire and the ammo should be pulled down dummy rounds strictly controlled by an armorer and proper firearms safety rules should be followed. Sometimes scenes call for firing blank guns, this is more and more rare with special effects but safetty is usually taken very seriously when blanks are involved. The blank fire guns usually have a vented barrel obstruction (like the can cannon) so the flash may pass but projectiles won't even chamber. However, some movies have been shot with live ammunition, but then the set is treated like a hot range. Act of Valor is one example. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:19:36 PM EDT
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Her dad was Thell Reed, the guy probably filmed thousands of productions back when recreational shooting was still common on production locations and they still managed to handle set safety…who knows what she was doing?
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: oh you know for sure he'll use this as an anecdote in the future to support his desire for gun control. Fuck that guy, I hope he's racked with guilt and self doubt to the point he has a nervous breakdown... although as dorobuta correctly points out, he probably won't because he's a sociopath/democrat And a murderer. Don’t forget that from now on when talking about Alec Baldwin. Movie star Sociopath Democrat Murderer. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:31:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: So why is there even 1 live round on grounds other than a security officer. According to the Union Prop Master, there should NEVER be even a single round of live ammo on a set, not one. The entire Union crew walked off the set and were replaced with a non-union crew. Shortly thereafter, this shooting occurred. They also said, even in a movie, you never actually point the gun at a person but off to the side. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:33:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to the Union Prop Master, there should NEVER be even a single round of live ammo on a set, not one. The entire Union crew walked off the set and were replaced with a non-union crew. Shortly thereafter, this shooting occurred. They also said, even in a movie, you never actually point the gun at a person but off to the side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So why is there even 1 live round on grounds other than a security officer. According to the Union Prop Master, there should NEVER be even a single round of live ammo on a set, not one. The entire Union crew walked off the set and were replaced with a non-union crew. Shortly thereafter, this shooting occurred. They also said, even in a movie, you never actually point the gun at a person but off to the side. Not saying it is true, but this is the angle they are going to take. Someone from the union set them up. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:38:47 PM EDT
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The gun was there to guard all of the cocaine.
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:38:48 PM EDT
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During breaks the crew were taking the guns off set and shooting them during downtime. It is thought that during lunch that day some crew members went out and shot the guns with live ammo. Guess they never cleared the guns afterward.
Still wondering about the multiple layers of critical thinking that never happened allowing this to occur. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:40:33 PM EDT
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Short answer is lack of critical thinking skills
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:41:55 PM EDT
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Tragic incident but no doubt everyone will over react. What is the average for work place deaths every day n the US? Is it something like 15?
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:42:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people are elitist assholes. They know better, they don't need uneducated deplorables explaining gun safety to them. Until they do, right? 
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:42:46 PM EDT
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Without much detail, it seems as if all ammo was kept in the same drawer. The ammo drawer, don't you know ?
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:45:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a very quick clip of that "Weapons Master" on the news. It was a very short clip but what she stated in that clip made me think that she didn't know the first thing about firearms or firearm safety whatsoever. You sure it was a clip and not a magazine?!  Daughter of famous Hollywood armorer: "Dad said they used to shoot jackrabbits when he was filming (Rio Bravo era film). Sounds like fun!" (Totally ignoring gun-handling rules in movie sets in 2021 are considerably different than in 1960.) |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:47:35 PM EDT
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Just think if they were doing a remake of the "Wild Bunch". FAB could have really racked up a body count.
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:47:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was a plot by Baldwin!! He was having an affair with the camera lady. The director found out and plotted with the camera lady to blackmail Baldwin. His plan was to kill them both but his aim was a little off on the shoot through, bullet must have hit a bone. The director understood the warning and is keeping his mouth shut. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/dumpsterfire-194.gif You can’t forget that it’s an intricate plot to distract from the Cyber Ninjas audit! |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:47:58 PM EDT
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Real firearms on set should have been in a lockbox controlled by armorer. Not accessible for crew to go plinking, or the AD to go grab one from the cart for a scene.
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a very quick clip of that "Weapons Master" on the news. It was a very short clip but what she stated in that clip made me think that she didn't know the first thing about firearms or firearm safety whatsoever. Just saw a Twitter clip of the armorer. Whoever hired her in that role has a lot of explaining to do. She was a train wreck and weird before. You can and should sometimes judge a book by its cover. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Her dad was Thell Reed, the guy probably filmed thousands of productions back when recreational shooting was still common on production locations and they still managed to handle set safety…who knows what she was doing? Thell Reed is not an unknown name to anyone who's been really interested in firearms for more than a few years. You would think that his daughter would know about the four rules, about never mixing live ammo with blanks, and other elementary shit like that. According to one account, she wasn't even on the set when the shooting happened. They needed a pistol to plan out a filming sequence, so some Assistant Director grabbed a pistol off some cart somewhere and handed it to Baldwin. Neither the Assistant Director nor Baldwin thought to check it to see if it was loaded or not. Dumbasses all around. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:55:19 PM EDT
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Glad he wasn't playing in Heat 2 - that would have been a real mess.
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:55:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of gun was it? A revolver? It was an old west movie, so probably an MP5 |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:56:01 PM EDT
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AB has claimed that in all his years of filming, no one has ever handed him "a hot gun". If he was being safe in his gun handling, how the F*CK would he know if it was "hot" or "Not"? Just because he hasn't horsed around and shot anyone before? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
He pulled the trigger, while aiming the gun at people. No reason to do that, other than "Hold my beer." FAB! |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:57:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not saying it is true, but this is the angle they are going to take. Someone from the union set them up. I assume you are saying that the union is setting up the non-union people? If so, I'm not sure it will work. There were two negligent discharges on set before the fatal one. If the claim is that the fatal shooting was only due to the non-union people, then why the two ND when the union was running the show? |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:57:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thell Reed is not an unknown name to anyone who's been really interested in firearms for more than a few years. You would think that his daughter would know about the four rules, about never mixing live ammo with blanks, and other elementary shit like that. According to one account, she wasn't even on the set when the shooting happened. They needed a pistol to plan out a filming sequence, so some Assistant Director grabbed a pistol off some cart somewhere and handed it to Baldwin. Neither the Assistant Director nor Baldwin thought to check it to see if it was loaded or not. Dumbasses all around. Common sense isn’t that common anymore, common core however…. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 12:59:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of gun was it? A revolver? It was an old west movie, so probably an MP5 |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 24 year old chick was the Armory Supervisor. First & Last big production for her! Her pep pep was a big industry veteran though! |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:00:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was an old west movie, so probably an MP5 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What kind of gun was it? A revolver? It was an old west movie, so probably an MP5 ?? i had no idea what genre it was. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:01:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:02:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ?? i had no idea what genre it was. lol figured so just fkn with ya |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:03:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real firearms on set should have been in a lockbox controlled by armorer. Not accessible for crew to go plinking, or the AD to go grab one from the cart for a scene. Under COVID-19 rules there should be one lockbox for "clean" firearms and another for "used" firearms. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:04:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: its definitely a strange practice. I don't even work on or clean my guns in the same room of the house where i keep my ammo and magazines. Weird to think of someone acting as a set armorer and having live rounds nearby I do, but they are in latched boxes in a cabinet. Never live rounds on the actual workbench which in my case is a old steel office desk. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:07:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was an old west movie, so probably an MP5 The plot of the movie is the aftermath of an accidental shooting. 
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:12:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A large portion of the public are morons. A large portion of the public are morons AND have no experience with guns. Explained. Still doesn’t explain it. Prop guns shouldn’t fire live ammo and I didn’t think they did. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:18:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: THIS was the head armorer for the production. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/293779/Untitled-design--13--4_jpg-2143089.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/293779/Rust-920x425_jpg-2143090.JPG Looks legit. Like a pro. I wonder what went wrong? 
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:22:56 PM EDT
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From what I’ve read they were target shooting with live ammo to get comfortable with the guns. It appears the armorer didn’t properly clear the guns and a loaded one got mixed in with the others.
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still doesn’t explain it. Prop guns shouldn’t fire live ammo and I didn’t think they did. Prop just means property which is anything used on set or stage for a production doesn’t mean real or fake. Property houses lease props to productions, anything from furniture to firearms…Stembridge Rentals was a well known firearms prop house now defunct, for example… Weapons Specialists Limited another…Prop houses also usually offer services such as an armorer or property master to productions as well as the rental of property. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:27:56 PM EDT
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Malice and incompetence are indistinguishable today.
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:32:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:37:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: probably a set up to kill someone that knew too much. Was this dude seen near the prop armorer’s cart at any time? 
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:39:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lamps ad couchs don't fire bullets. Lamps have electricity at 120 volt alternating current! More than enough to kill a person if mishandled! Drop a couch on someone and depending upon the height that it is dropped from it may be kill a person, again due to mishandling!! So maybe not bullets but mishandling could still result in death or injury. So the shooting should be treated the same, a gun was mishandled and this resulted in the death of one and the wounding of another.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:40:16 PM EDT
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This is from an IATSE Local site: "what IS a prop? Basically properties is everything that is not part of the set, the lighting, or costumes." https://www.ia470.com/primer/props.htm
"Hollywood" people speak "Hollywood." What they mean by "prop" may not be what folks outside the industry think it means. Calling it a "prop gun" is no reason for frantic hyperventilating. It's not like they called a clip a magazine. Incidentally as a "primer" (an introductory lesson, not a coat of paint or a thing that makes more things go bang), the linked article touches on weapons and other dangerous or possibly dangerous items used as and called props. Like food. (A film (so to speak) production often has a string or repeated actions or takes. If something is consumed in the take, it needs to be replaced quickly so as to keep the production process moving, even if it seems that the process is glacially slow because of all of these repeated takes. The actor is provided the props needed to do a particular scene. It's supposed to be safe for the intended use.) The industry does have established safety procedures. Even the most hyperbolic news/opinion pieces out there discussing this find only 2 prior incidents in 37 years, or so. Three in 38(?) years is not a rash of accidents and should lead to the conclusion that whatever they've been doing almost always worked and so there was likely a critical failure of some sort here. I don't think they need wholesale changes in their processes. They do need to identify and fix the specific problems in this incident. Just like all ranges I've ever been on, public, private, police, military, etc., have bullet holes where they weren't supposed to be. It seems likely a live round got to a place it shouldn't have. That's not a problem unique to the entertainment industry nor a signal that their entire system is flawed and dangerous. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:41:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:There is no way they don't come to the conclusion of "guns are dangerous and even professionals are not professional enough, obviously we need to ban them." Nope they should just ban Alec Baldwin!! That will fix the problem.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Her age and sex have nothing to do with being qualified. My kids where qualified far younger then her.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:44:51 PM EDT
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Stupit folk on the set.
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Posted: 10/25/2021 1:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In that case, the police should treat this the same as if Alec Baldwin beat someone to death with a lamp on a movie set, then claimed it wasn't his fault because he thought it was a prop lamp.   Well done. |
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