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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only fear of the Japanese was that they would run our auto makers out of business. LC  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:22:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This...and demographics. They stopped having kids, and didn't really allow immigration, so they got old and less productive. A good warning for the anti-immigration crowd in the US. If your population is declining, you have to import more. Hopefully, you can do that w/o destroying the culture that made you successful. yea well....there's smart immigration policies and there's some stupid ones..... Ted Kennedy gave us a dumb one. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:26:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:26:06 PM EDT
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We rebuilt Japan and Germany, sat on our laurel's in the 50/60s but they didn't and kicked our asses with everything we taught them in the automotive and electronics industry.
Also this: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/051515/impact-exchange-rates-japans-economy.asp |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:31:14 PM EDT
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They were under pricing their micro chips to put our companies out of business
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:32:55 PM EDT
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Physically no. If anything the post WWII treaties kept them from contributing a fair amount to their own security.
They were economically scary with manufacturing just plain better than ours. At one time it was believed they might get to AI before us. Those things plus WWII plus yes, the fact they're a different race, make them an obvious target for fiction and conspiracy theory. They'd probably still be a bogey man for many people but China took over. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:34:24 PM EDT
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My Father would go with out before he'd buy something made in Japan,,,wasnt fear, it was hate..they did HORRIBLE things
to G.I.'s  let alone what they did to the Pinay's |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:35:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:35:19 PM EDT
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Did anyone say "Godzilla"? Cause the answer is Godzilla.
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:35:49 PM EDT
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The only security threat over there then was a more or less communist group called the "Japanese Red Army'' or the JRA. They weren't much of a threat to America, and were not much of a player on the islands of Japan either. They were mainly in the export business and they didn't mess with American interests in the area at all as much as I could tell or ever heard about.
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:37:27 PM EDT
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 Aneka - Japanese Boy |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:39:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever feelings certain elements of Japan MAY have had about us back then are most certainly overshadowed by their very real fears about China...  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:40:51 PM EDT
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They were eating our lunch.
Their quality was through the roof. Toyota and Honda gobbled up market share like Pucman THEY were the ones buying huge tracts of land and shopping malls in the US. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:41:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a child of the 80s and I don't remember any real hate or fear of the Japanese. Maybe from some older folks who remembered WWII more vividly. I'll put it this way- when I played with my planes as a kid my F-14s were shooting down Migs not....whatever the Japanese flew then. F-4s, F-16s and F-15s. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:41:58 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, I remember that time vividly.
Due to debt and spending issues, the dollar crashed while the yen went sky high. All of a sudden, American property, real estate, businesses, and everything else the Japanese wanted were on a fire sale. A Toyota Corolla cost around perhaps $5,000, while a piece of shit Chevy Chevette cost $7,000. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:42:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only security threat over there then was a more or less communist group called the "Japanese Red Army'' or the JRA. They weren't much of a threat to America, and were not much of a player on the islands of Japan either. They were mainly in the export business and they didn't mess with American interests in the area at all as much as I could tell or ever heard about. https://martyrmade.com/18-the-madame-butterfly-effect-bonus-episode/ |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:45:21 PM EDT
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 Alphaville - Big In Japan (Extended 12'' Version Edit) |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:46:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Japanese have darn near perfected manufacturing of goods. Toyota production system comes to mind. Most all current US manufacturing uses at least some of the Japanese improvement & management tools. Demming learned from Japan to bring Total Quality to the US. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:48:45 PM EDT
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Japan used to make everything, just about how China is now.
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:50:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were a financial powerhouse as well as one when it came to technology. At one point they were buying up famous American real estate such as Rockerfeller Plaza in NYC. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:50:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, you'd have to square it up with Japan being a mortal enemy within living memory of many people (some of whom fought the Japanese directly). This foe we had defeated, was now resurgent. Their economy was going great, and we had just dealt with the stagflation of the 70's and had an uncertain future - Reagan brought hope in the 80's, but American consumers could see Japanese name brands taking over their local marketplace, especially high-tech electronics. A big thing at the time was "emerging markets." That is, investment in infrastructure, trade deals, etc with third world countries. Countries where there were still wild profits to be made off these people who didn't yet own all the consumer goods that Americans took for granted. Japan was investing in emerging markets, and so were we, but you still had the lingering spectre of Imperial Japan hanging over 1980's Japan. Where Imperial Japan tried to take these resources by force and failed, would modern Japan do it with the stroke of a pen? Was there something sinister involved? That's a pretty good summation of the social side of the equation. Add to that, they took advantage a momentary strategic advantage to leapfrog in key economic sectors. Their advantage over the US, post WWII, was that they were rebuilding their infrastructure from scratch; no legacy costs, systems or structures to hamper what was state of the art at the time. Add to that, their central bank (as someone mentioned earlier) artificially leveraged their major corporations to effectively buy up market share in the US and Europe. Many across the world saw that central bank / government support as some form of "cheating", which built up resentment. I did some work for Philips Manufacturing (home office), in the 90's and their loathing of Sony and Japan far outweighed anything I saw in the US. But for all their vaunted strategic planning, the Japanese wound up squandering the wealth on vanity purchases and didn't re-invest it back into their economy. Add to that their population implosion, we see the Japan of today. Japan took momentary advantage of creative destruction (not the marxist kind), but couldn't hold onto it. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:54:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This...and demographics. They stopped having kids, and didn't really allow immigration, so they got old and less productive. A good warning for the anti-immigration crowd in the US. If your population is declining, you have to import more. Hopefully, you can do that w/o destroying the culture that made you successful. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They were a massive economic powerhouse that appeared unstoppable at the time. Primarily due to strength in automotive and technology (especially semiconductors.) They were seriously kicking US ass in both, and because they were bringing in so much money they had to turn around and re-invest it overseas, so they ended up buying lots of very expensive real estate in the US. The company I worked for at the time was involved with semiconductors and the Japanese were very good at some things (particularly DRAM) and more or less wiped out non-Japanese suppliers. It turned out part of the growth they experienced was due to financial engineering by their central bank (sound familiar?) and that ended up triggering a financial implosions and created a zombie economy with a lot of large, too big to fail companies that stopped generating monster profits. They've never recovered. This...and demographics. They stopped having kids, and didn't really allow immigration, so they got old and less productive. A good warning for the anti-immigration crowd in the US. If your population is declining, you have to import more. Hopefully, you can do that w/o destroying the culture that made you successful. You don’t have to import more. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:55:52 PM EDT
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My grandfather flew B29's off of Tinian during the war. The Japanese did horrible things to downed pilots during the war, and he wasn't a fan, but he didn't hold any hatred towards them.
In the 80's a Sanyo plant opened nearby, and my mom because friends with a Sanyo VP's wife (they were both flutists, and both played golf). Since they were from Japan and didn't have any family here, they ended up spending Thanksgiving and Christmas with us every year, along with my grandparents. It wasn't until I was older that I even considered that my grandfather treated them just like he would any other person. He was just a kind hearted man. That same grandfather started a Pontiac dealership right after the war, and eventually added Buick and GMC. After buying GM garbage for years, in 1988 my dad had enough and bought my sister a Honda Accord. He went so far as to check VIN's and specifically chose one that was made in Japan, and he did that for as long as he could get Japanese-made Accords. He was so impressed by it that the next year he got my mom one too. Then when I wrecked his Buick station wagon, he got himself an Accord coupe in 1990. In 93 I got my black 2 door 5 speed Accord EX. We have bought nothing but Hondas since, with the exception of my 3rd gen 4runner that I had for a few years, and my wife's GX460. After seeing me beat on that Accord for years with nary an issue, my grandfather begrudgingly said one day "Those little bastards build a good car". That was the only time I ever heard him say anything that could be construed as negative about the Japanese. He sold the GM dealership in 1990. He later admitted that GM had just gone to shit and that they no longer built quality vehicles. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:58:05 PM EDT
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As long as their female pornstars keep making that sound like a Jack Russell with a new squeaky toy, I'm good.
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:59:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember they bought tons of real estate in the US and movie studios https://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/03/opinion/japan-buys-the-center-of-new-york.html |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:01:55 PM EDT
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I tend to agree it was the auto industry, but the USA was generally upset about various trade imbalances as well. Eg., why did Japan put heavy taxes on American goods (or why didn't America put as heavy taxes on Japanese goods).
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:02:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were a financial powerhouse as well as one when it came to technology. At one point they were buying up famous American real estate such as Rockerfeller Plaza in NYC. And Nakatomi Plaza. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a child of the 80s and I don't remember any real hate or fear of the Japanese. Maybe from some older folks who remembered WWII more vividly. I'll put it this way- when I played with my planes as a kid my F-14s were shooting down Migs not....whatever the Japanese flew then. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just finished reading Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" and the whole thing was just  . I'm too young to remember those times but I do remember Japan used to be considered the most technologically advanced country in the world, were they really that much of a threat back then?I'm a child of the 80s and I don't remember any real hate or fear of the Japanese. Maybe from some older folks who remembered WWII more vividly. I'll put it this way- when I played with my planes as a kid my F-14s were shooting down Migs not....whatever the Japanese flew then. This… |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:09:06 PM EDT
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As many others have noted the Japanese were respected for being good businessman. People were reading Mushasi Myamoto's "The Book of Five Rings" to gain insight into the workings of the Japanese mind. Unfortunately for the Japanese they bought a lot of American Real Estate for seriously inflated prices and when their economy slowed they were forced to sell those holdings at a huge loss. I guess they were not as good as people thought...
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:11:08 PM EDT
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Their economy was booming and it was thought of back then as the Japanese Miracle. They've been the sh*tz since the '90s and haven't climbed out. The Japanese Central Bank has been engaged in punching that "enter" key to create more yens as well as negative interest rate. The former resulted in the Japanese buying gold and the latter in the huge increase in home safe sales.
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:15:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were a financial powerhouse as well as one when it came to technology. At one point they were buying up famous American real estate such as Rockerfeller Plaza in NYC. Don't forget..... 
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:15:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were a massive economic powerhouse that appeared unstoppable at the time. Primarily due to strength in automotive and technology (especially semiconductors.) They were seriously kicking US ass in both, and because they were bringing in so much money they had to turn around and re-invest it overseas, so they ended up buying lots of very expensive real estate in the US. The company I worked for at the time was involved with semiconductors and the Japanese were very good at some things (particularly DRAM) and more or less wiped out non-Japanese suppliers. It turned out part of the growth they experienced was due to financial engineering by their central bank (sound familiar?) and that ended up triggering a financial implosions and created a zombie economy with a lot of large, too big to fail companies that stopped generating monster profits. They've never recovered. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:18:46 PM EDT
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They loved golf at the time and subsequently bought a lot of US golf corses.
Chris |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:19:46 PM EDT
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When their economy was super hot in the 80s/early 90s there was a belief they would become the largest economy in the world overtaking the US and the western world. The Soviet Union collapsed and America was in a recession. So Japan was talking about "going their own way" separate from the United States. The fear was that they would start to re-militarize and become the new global superpower. All of this after we just spent the past 50+ years paying for their defense during the cold war.
Fortunately, their economy entered into a multi-decade long recession and shows no signs of improving. The American Economy went bananas during the mid to late 1990s and we remained on top with Japan remaining an ally because they could no longer afford to "go their own way." We should all remember the lesson that they are only friendly when they need us. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:24:35 PM EDT
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They were taking over the world with their cars and electronics.
Both were cheaper and better than what the US produced. Is there even a TV made in the States any more? |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 3:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were under pricing their micro chips to put our companies out of business If you have time for a full length feature film, this guy put together and entire documentary of how RCA's bad ideas essentially ruined them, and that was par for the course for many of their US competition too:  The CED: RCA's Very Late, Very Weird Video Gamble (Pt. 1) |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 4:11:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as their female pornstars keep making that sound like a Jack Russell with a new squeaky toy, I'm good. 
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Posted: 6/17/2021 4:58:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody in the US was afraid of Japan back in the 80s or 90s, except for the WWII vets. In fact, the opinion of Japan was overwhelmingly positive, especially from GenXers growing up. The WWII vets weren't afraid of them, They just hated them. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 5:18:57 PM EDT
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There was an add from I think the U.A.W. that had "Mitsubishi" from the company that brought you the Zero, there was picture of a Zero fighter plane under it. I tried to find it but my skills are weak.
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