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Posted: 10/27/2022 7:06:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way that the one guy stomped on the mag while it was in the dirt was brutal,I was surprised it ran at all. I had been on the fence about these but this pushed me over the edge,I ordered the 5 pack and a mag release tonight. On a separate note,there are 10 factory ten rounders for $75.00 on a local gun board FO or no Fo. I would buy them on principle alone. You'll never find them that cheap again. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 7:22:40 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would buy them on principle alone. You'll never find them that cheap again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The way that the one guy stomped on the mag while it was in the dirt was brutal,I was surprised it ran at all. I had been on the fence about these but this pushed me over the edge,I ordered the 5 pack and a mag release tonight. On a separate note,there are 10 factory ten rounders for $75.00 on a local gun board FO or no Fo. I would buy them on principle alone. You'll never find them that cheap again. Yeah! No kidding! Used or not, that’s a great price! I’d jump in it! |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 8:55:22 PM EDT
[#3]
The 43x and G48 are the same frame.
I like sticking the G48 slide on my G43, but I am waiting for the Z9 mags. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 10:50:26 AM EDT
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Just one more data point for the thread as I've started experiencing a fail to feed issue with the S15 mags in my 48.
I bought the first one almost a year ago (a gen 2) and used with the stock plastic magazine catch. I ran a couple hundred rounds through the magazine, had zero malfunctions, so decided to buy a second and upgrade the magazine catch to the steel one from Shield. Headed to the range to test the second mag and get some rounds through it before carrying it. I'm now having a fail to feed with both the new mag and the original one I bought. The issue occurs maybe two or three times per magazine. The loaded mags seat fine and slide closes with mag release. Out of 15 rounds, a few will have the FTF where the fired casing ejects normally but the slide hangs up trying to the load the next round. It closes maybe halfway and has partially stripped the next round from the magazine where it jams up. Tapping the baseplate fixes the issue instantly and the slide closes. All it takes is a light tap to resolve the jam. At the moment the only thing I can figure is tolerance stacking with the new magazine catch, maybe? The first mag ran fine on the stock one. Now both magazines exhibit the issue. Really disappointed as I've been a huge fan of these. |
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Posted: 11/2/2022 9:21:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2022 9:27:30 AM EDT
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One thing I discovered yesterday, the Gen 2 baseplates are considerably thicker than the Gen 1s. All of my mags, Gen 1 & 2, have the Gen 1 base plates on them. I'm wondering if the Gen 2 baseplates are contributing to some of the issues.
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Posted: 11/2/2022 9:32:44 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing I discovered yesterday, the Gen 2 baseplates are considerably thicker than the Gen 1s. All of my mags, Gen 1 & 2, have the Gen 1 base plates on them. I'm wondering if the Gen 2 baseplates are contributing to some of the issues. I switched mine to the aluminum +0 baseplates and have had 0 issues, but I had 0 issues before........ |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:05:15 AM EDT
[#8]
Will Shield send you a new Gen2 if you send in an older Gen1?
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Posted: 11/3/2022 12:09:05 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will Shield send you a new Gen2 if you send in an older Gen1? Yes....they no longer produce the gen 1 |
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Posted: 11/8/2022 9:12:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Damn
To say I’m stubborn is an understatement. I thought I’d give the SA15s another chance with some ammo I loaded for my CZ. My CZ likes a shorter OAL round. I thought I’d try them in the SA magazines. I had great success! Until I started to run the November drill ( https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/--Official-ARFCOM-Monthly-Pistol-Drill-Challenge-Thread--/5-2573815/ https://rumble.com/v1sbfrs-november-v-ii.1.html I’ve ordered some different profile FMJs, just to see if it will make a difference. FMJs..can’t get them to run on FMJs….. I’m envious of you guys that the SAs work for. |
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Posted: 11/9/2022 10:09:51 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn To say I’m stubborn is an understatement. I thought I’d give the SA15s another chance with some ammo I loaded for my CZ. My CZ likes a shorter OAL round. I thought I’d try them in the SA magazines. I had great success! Until I started to run the November drill ( https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/--Official-ARFCOM-Monthly-Pistol-Drill-Challenge-Thread--/5-2573815/ I’m envious of you guys that the SAs work for. I'll give you credit, you are persistent. I would've switched back to OEM a long time ago if I would've had those issues. Thanks for the honesty though. It's refreshing these days. I like my S15 mags, they run great in my gun. I still switch back to OEM from time to time. |
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Posted: 11/9/2022 7:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll give you credit, you are persistent. I would've switched back to OEM a long time ago if I would've had those issues. Thanks for the honesty though. It's refreshing these days. I like my S15 mags, they run great in my gun. I still switch back to OEM from time to time. It’s very frustrating for me. I’ll do drills for a few weeks and things will go good. Then I’ll run into problems like in the video. It’s always the slide riding over the rim of the cartridge or some variation where the breach face stops about mid cartridge. I still believe it has something to do with the magazines sitting too far to the rear of the magazine well. I got a few thousand of a different FMJ profile bullets to try - I NEVER had any luck with my powder coated truncated cone bullets in the SA15s. The factory magazines gobble them up. Granted, I shoot 200-300 rounds a week, so I’ll probably see more problems. I have my one 43X running factory mags. No problems with any of my ammo. I only started buying FMJs to use in my SA magazines. Otherwise. I use my own cast / powder coated bullets in everything else. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 1:36:56 PM EDT
[#13]
Bad news fellas.....
Sandstorm Precision is out of business. Does anyone else have a line on a beavertail grip like they made? |
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Posted: 12/16/2022 5:24:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Today I tested my G43x/Shield combo by emptying all three mags that I keep fully loaded with the gun (and that had been loaded for a few months). Ammo is Winchester 124 grain +P JHP Defender. Mags are Gen 1 with G19 springs which I added after I experienced one failure to lock the slide back. That has been the only failure after hundreds of rounds and the new springs solved that. Today, all mags worked perfectly again so I'll keep this system as is for a while longer.
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Posted: 12/30/2022 5:39:12 PM EDT
[#15]
Anyone have an IWB or in the pocket mag holders that work well with these mags?
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Posted: 12/30/2022 7:31:33 PM EDT
[#16]
Henny, I was having the same type of stoppage. I polished the feed ramp, and chamber of the barrel, and I stopped using the slide stop lever to close the slide on a reload. I run the slide by hand to close it on a slide lock reload, and the problem went away. Just my experience, YMMV.
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Posted: 12/30/2022 7:35:37 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have an IWB or in the pocket mag holders that work well with these mags? Anything that works with g48 and has tension adjustment. I've used tulster knockoffs from Amazon, 2 for $18, for a couple years, they work fine. |
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Posted: 12/30/2022 7:40:54 PM EDT
[#18]
Didn’t work out for me. Hope they work for others.
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Posted: 12/30/2022 7:56:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything that works with g48 and has tension adjustment. I've used tulster knockoffs from Amazon, 2 for $18, for a couple years, they work fine. Thanks, just went ahead and ordered the Tulster that should work for what I need. |
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Posted: 12/30/2022 9:30:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Henny, I was having the same type of stoppage. I polished the feed ramp, and chamber of the barrel, and I stopped using the slide stop lever to close the slide on a reload. I run the slide by hand to close it on a slide lock reload, and the problem went away. Just my experience, YMMV. I think for me, and my guns the SA magazine is too far back in the magazine well. Glock. Magazine:  Attached FileSA Magazine:  Attached FileI believe this may be responsible for the ride over stoppage after a reload using the slide stop. It’s odd, my entire career I used to rack the slide when reloading. After I retired, and got more into gun games I started to use the slide release due to time. Believe me, my reload is slow enough as it it! 
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Posted: 12/31/2022 1:15:33 AM EDT
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Is there an illustration showing the difference between a Gen. 1 and Gen. 2 SA magazine? I stopped using mine awhile ago due to intermittent failures and wanted to see if maybe they are Gen. 1's.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 1:25:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there an illustration showing the difference between a Gen. 1 and Gen. 2 SA magazine? I stopped using mine awhile ago due to intermittent failures and wanted to see if maybe they are Gen. 1's. The gen 2s have gray followers. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:25:51 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there an illustration showing the difference between a Gen. 1 and Gen. 2 SA magazine? I stopped using mine awhile ago due to intermittent failures and wanted to see if maybe they are Gen. 1's. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 12:19:28 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think for me, and my guns the SA magazine is too far back in the magazine well. Glock. Magazine: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/C169B9D4-4014-43E2-B47D-2E9C7E9C63F5_jpe-2654700.JPG SA Magazine: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/8AC21EC9-8309-414E-967A-1ACB44DAF6E7_jpe-2654701.JPG I believe this may be responsible for the ride over stoppage after a reload using the slide stop. It’s odd, my entire career I used to rack the slide when reloading. After I retired, and got more into gun games I started to use the slide release due to time. Believe me, my reload is slow enough as it it! Yep, that’s what I believe caused my issues with the mag. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, that’s what I believe caused my issues with the mag. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think for me, and my guns the SA magazine is too far back in the magazine well. Glock. Magazine: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/C169B9D4-4014-43E2-B47D-2E9C7E9C63F5_jpe-2654700.JPG SA Magazine: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/8AC21EC9-8309-414E-967A-1ACB44DAF6E7_jpe-2654701.JPG I believe this may be responsible for the ride over stoppage after a reload using the slide stop. It’s odd, my entire career I used to rack the slide when reloading. After I retired, and got more into gun games I started to use the slide release due to time. Believe me, my reload is slow enough as it it! Yep, that’s what I believe caused my issues with the mag. Is it possible to shim the magwell to move the mag forward just for testing purposes? |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 4:31:10 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it possible to shim the magwell to move the mag forward just for testing purposes? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think for me, and my guns the SA magazine is too far back in the magazine well. Glock. Magazine: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/C169B9D4-4014-43E2-B47D-2E9C7E9C63F5_jpe-2654700.JPG SA Magazine: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/8AC21EC9-8309-414E-967A-1ACB44DAF6E7_jpe-2654701.JPG I believe this may be responsible for the ride over stoppage after a reload using the slide stop. It’s odd, my entire career I used to rack the slide when reloading. After I retired, and got more into gun games I started to use the slide release due to time. Believe me, my reload is slow enough as it it! Yep, that’s what I believe caused my issues with the mag. Is it possible to shim the magwell to move the mag forward just for testing purposes? I had thought about welding a blob on the upper part of the rear of a magazine, but then I thought, “Why? I’m not going to trust these things to carry them…” Maybe I’ll still do it? All but my one 43X are back to stock. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 6:55:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had thought about welding a blob on the upper part of the rear of a magazine, but then I thought, “Why? I’m not going to trust these things to carry them…” Maybe I’ll still do it? All but my one 43X are back to stock. I’d also considered modifying mags or the gun to make them work. Decided I wasn’t going to waste more time/money/ammo on something that was a poor design to start with. Dumped the mags and the guns. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:28:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have an IWB or in the pocket mag holders that work well with these mags? https://ammo-armor.com/glock/glock-48/ https://ammo-armor.com/copy-of-glock-43x-ammo-armor-1/ |
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Posted: 1/1/2023 9:13:39 AM EDT
[#29]
Reading all these negative experiences with SA mags makes me not want to trust mine.
That being said, I keep trying to make mine fail and they keep chugging along. Never had an issue with mine. |
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Posted: 1/1/2023 10:45:14 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reading all these negative experiences with SA mags makes me not want to trust mine. That being said, I keep trying to make mine fail and they keep chugging along. Never had an issue with mine. Only issues Ive had were with the +5's added on |
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Posted: 1/1/2023 11:36:44 PM EDT
[#31]
Posters that have never had problems with their SAs, could you post a picture like I did above? Showing the clearance between the case rim and your breech face?
I’m just curious if there’s a noticeable difference. |
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Posted: 1/1/2023 11:59:17 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Posters that have never had problems with their SAs, could you post a picture like I did above? Showing the clearance between the case rim and your breech face? I’m just curious if there’s a noticeable difference.  Edit: Looked back to your photos, mine is definitely more like your factory magazine photo. Maybe the Shield Arms mags have too loose of a tolerance on the front rib, causing the mags to push back against the rear of the magwell |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 12:15:55 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/497583/20230101_225836-2657422.jpg Edit: Looked back to your photos, mine is definitely more like your factory magazine photo. Maybe the Shield Arms mags have too loose of a tolerance on the front rib, causing the mags to push back against the rear of the magwell Yeah, something is definitely different… |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 1:13:12 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The gen 2s have gray followers. Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 1:19:01 AM EDT
[#35]
Turns out the ones I'm having issues with are the Gen 2. I think I had SA swap them out for Gen 1's awhile back. If I'm not mistaken they also sent +10% springs.
Given my intermittent issues I don't feel comfortable carrying with these. That's unfortunate because I really like the 43X platform. I've gone back to carrying my G19 and when need to go small, carry a Sig P365XL. I'll likely sell my 43 and 43X soon as they don't get any love. Sucks these mags didn't work out for me. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 6:40:00 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turns out the ones I'm having issues with are the Gen 2. I think I had SA swap them out for Gen 1's awhile back. If I'm not mistaken they also sent +10% springs. Given my intermittent issues I don't feel comfortable carrying with these. That's unfortunate because I really like the 43X platform. I've gone back to carrying my G19 and when need to go small, carry a Sig P365XL. I'll likely sell my 43 and 43X soon as they don't get any love. Sucks these mags didn't work out for me. Sorry to hear that but definitely not surprised. I had the same problems with the SA mags. After testing a dozen of both generations and swapping springs, mag releases, etc. I found that they cannot be trusted to function in a defensive carry gun. I just use my 10 round OEM mags in my 43x and 48. I’d rather have 11 guaranteed rounds vs. 16 maybe rounds. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:48:03 PM EDT
[#37]
I haven't experienced a malfunction in the last several thousand rounds, but I am retiring the G48 and moving to the P365 Macro. I just can't get the question mark outta my head.
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Posted: 1/6/2023 11:25:56 PM EDT
[#38]
@Henny
Gen 1  Gen 2 
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Posted: 1/7/2023 12:12:14 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryMy Gen 2 looks like your Gen 2 photos as well. All my Gen 2 haven’t been anything but reliable in my 48 |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:35:08 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryThanks @November5. Your guys look just like mine. I had problems with the Gen 1s in 4 different guns too. I’m at a loss…. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 7:59:03 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks @November5. Your guys look just like mine. I had problems with the Gen 1s in 4 different guns too. I'm at a loss . |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 8:29:12 PM EDT
[#42]
So far I've tried 3 different frames (2×43x and a 48mos) and 3 different slides (43, 43x, and 48mos), and all possible combinations of each. I've got 1 frame with the metal mag catch installed in that has been the best performer but I got a ftf yesterday after about 250 rounds with that and a G43 slide. I think I'm about done experimenting. Too bad. Maybe I'll see if sheild had any suggestions.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 4:59:37 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So far I've tried 3 different frames (2×43x and a 48mos) and 3 different slides (43, 43x, and 48mos), and all possible combinations of each. I've got 1 frame with the metal mag catch installed in that has been the best performer but I got a ftf yesterday after about 250 rounds with that and a G43 slide. I think I'm about done experimenting. Too bad. Maybe I'll see if sheild had any suggestions. My experience with SA’s customer support was varied. Very helpful, replaced all my magazines. When I still had failures to feed from slide lock they told me the 4 guns ( 2 43Xs, 2 48s) were all out of normal specifications, their magazines should work. 
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:40:09 AM EDT
[#44]
Shield is releasing a gen 3 s15. Also a 10 round mag if you cut your grip down.
Did say they are changing manufactures as well. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:10:32 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shield is releasing a gen 3 s15. Also a 10 round mag if you cut your grip down. Did say they are changing manufactures as well. Did they detail the differences between gen 2 and gen 3? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:40:04 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shield is releasing a gen 3 s15. Also a 10 round mag if you cut your grip down. Did say they are changing manufactures as well. Why would you cut your grip down? If you only want 10 rounds, use the factory mags? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 1:32:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you cut your grip down? If you only want 10 rounds, use the factory mags?  |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 7:34:22 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shield is releasing a gen 3 s15. Also a 10 round mag if you cut your grip down. Did say they are changing manufactures as well. They just showed off their 43X version of the DAGR with 15 round mags... |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:17:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if their new manufacturer is PSA? They just showed off their 43X version of the DAGR with 15 round mags... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shield is releasing a gen 3 s15. Also a 10 round mag if you cut your grip down. Did say they are changing manufactures as well. They just showed off their 43X version of the DAGR with 15 round mags... 
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:00:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The pics I saw of the Gen 3 S15 look like an S15. This is the PSA mag. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/348220/MicroDaggerMagazine_png-2677791.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shield is releasing a gen 3 s15. Also a 10 round mag if you cut your grip down. Did say they are changing manufactures as well. They just showed off their 43X version of the DAGR with 15 round mags... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/348220/MicroDaggerMagazine_png-2677791.JPG |
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