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Originally Posted By mlin:
Photo from DoD imagery http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/cxl17/101103-M-ES453-314-Copy.jpg Cool, got a link to a hi res version? |
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Originally Posted By mlin:
Photo from DoD imagery http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/cxl17/101103-M-ES453-314-Copy.jpg Yeah Baby! BOOYA! 
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Originally Posted By SSeric02:
Originally Posted By mlin:
Photo from DoD imagery http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/cxl17/101103-M-ES453-314-Copy.jpg Cool, got a link to a hi res version? http://www.defenseimagery.mil/imagery.html#a=search&s=m-45&chk=6cfe0&guid=770f5fb2a0856f4a711350a68edf33b771559b3f |
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Originally Posted By mlin:
Originally Posted By SSeric02:
Originally Posted By mlin:
Photo from DoD imagery http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/cxl17/101103-M-ES453-314-Copy.jpg Cool, got a link to a hi res version? http://www.defenseimagery.mil/imagery.html#a=search&s=m-45&chk=6cfe0&guid=770f5fb2a0856f4a711350a68edf33b771559b3f Thanks! |
Great picture! Wish I could get a better look at the hammer to see if it's a Springer or C&S, though I suspect that it's a Variant 4. Wish we could see the safety, too. 
Just cosmetically speaking, I'm still not sure if I prefer the "Loaded" style serrations or the "Milspec" style serrations. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By JSGlock34:
Must be a day for MEUSOC news... Marines Corps Times is reporting that the Colt Rail Gun and Springfield Armory MC Operator will compete for the M45 contract. Any update on this? That Springfield Operator looks hawt!!! So does the Colt, mind you. |
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Originally Posted By USMC_Grunt:
Does anyone have any leads on a Clarks grip safety? I need two of them to complete my builds. Thanks I think other than trolling GB and eBay and other used parts boards, you're best bet is going to be to re-profile an Oly grip safety. There's enough meat in them to carve something similar. Otherwise, the Clark's is OOP, and I don't think there are many others that resemble them. The only other option I can think of are those Masen drop-ins that have a similar profile, but you won't get the tangs without a gap, and you have to sand off the checkered portion on the "hump." ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By USMC_Grunt:
Does anyone have any leads on a Clarks grip safety? I need two of them to complete my builds. Thanks I think other than trolling GB and eBay and other used parts boards, you're best bet is going to be to re-profile an Oly grip safety. There's enough meat in them to carve something similar. Otherwise, the Clark's is OOP, and I don't think there are many others that resemble them. The only other option I can think of are those Masen drop-ins that have a similar profile, but you won't get the tangs without a gap, and you have to sand off the checkered portion on the "hump." ~Augee I have been looking everywhere for the grip safety, GB and Ebay, plus other forums as well. I have looked at the Oly grip safety and probably go with that one. I want the real thing but will settle for the Oly grip safety. Oh well, I will keep looking for them. Thanks |
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Originally Posted By JSGlock34:
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, there is an excellent reference on the formation of the US Marine Corps US Special Operations Command Detachment One available here. There are some photos, but only a few that show 1911s in use. Pages 26-27 discuss the ICQB procurement. Patrick J. Rogers appears in a picture on page 23 instructing one of the Detachment One members in the use of the Kimber ICQB pistol, and is credited with assisting the author on page 27. (ETA - he also appears in a photo on page 60, also instructing a Det One member on the ICQB). The photo on the cover is actually credited to Patrick J. Rogers, as are several that appear elsewhere in the book. This book is published by the History Division of the USMC and authored by a Marine Corps Historian. http://strikehold.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/det-one.jpg Well, J ain't A, so either the guy in the book you posted isn't the same Pat Rogers or his name got fubared. If only we could read the name tag on his spiffy flight suit.... lol http://thegunzone.com/training.html |
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Originally Posted By rdennis:
Originally Posted By JSGlock34:
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, there is an excellent reference on the formation of the US Marine Corps US Special Operations Command Detachment One available here. There are some photos, but only a few that show 1911s in use. Pages 26-27 discuss the ICQB procurement. Patrick J. Rogers appears in a picture on page 23 instructing one of the Detachment One members in the use of the Kimber ICQB pistol, and is credited with assisting the author on page 27. (ETA - he also appears in a photo on page 60, also instructing a Det One member on the ICQB). The photo on the cover is actually credited to Patrick J. Rogers, as are several that appear elsewhere in the book. This book is published by the History Division of the USMC and authored by a Marine Corps Historian. http://strikehold.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/det-one.jpg Well, J ain't A, so either the guy in the book you posted isn't the same Pat Rogers or his name got fubared. If only we could read the name tag on his spiffy flight suit.... lol http://thegunzone.com/training.html A and J do sound a lot alike do they not. 
It's the same guy, Pat Rogers, owner of EAG Tactical. |
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Originally Posted By chestnut101:
any special model of pachmayr grips do i need for this build? http://www.midwayusa.com/product/498526/pachmayr-signature-grips-1911-government-commander-combat-style-rubber-black |
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Another Springfield Armory Pro SN#CRG2010 sighted in Marines hands.
Blocky SA frame PWS Front cocking serration added GI checkered slide stop King's ambi safety (no visible 4 digit serial number stamped) regular MSH/landyard loop Re-parkerized skateboard grip tape added to originally checkered front strap http://forums.1911forum.com/showpost.php?p=3542950&postcount=1735 |
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Here is another interesting photo from MARSOC training exercise in Theis, Senegal (Africa). The 1911 in the holster have appears to be ED Brown grip safety, thumb safety and "Springfield Armory cross cannon grips".
http://www.defenseimagery.mil/imagery.html#guid=86c872571e01fdec4fd21a4e2cdce2e60079998e 
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Originally Posted By mlin:
Here is another interesting photo from MARSOC training exercise in Theis, Senegal (Africa). The 1911 in the holster have appears to be ED Brown grip safety, thumb safety and "Springfield Armory cross cannon grips". http://www.defenseimagery.mil/imagery.html#guid=86c872571e01fdec4fd21a4e2cdce2e60079998e http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/cxl17/MARSOC1-1.jpg Great finds, mlin! That last photo is an interesting one - it has a Swenson syle safety rather than the usual King's, but the EB grip safety and C&S hammer. Possibly a Variant 5 with EB thumb safeties as well? I doubt it's a Springfield built pistol - most of those have the SA hammer and grip safety. The grips are almost certainly "add-ons," the guy probably has a Springer MilSpec at home!
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Might just be my screen here in the office, but that line sure doesn't appear to be protruding form the base of the MSH like any of the other lanyard loops in the other pics in the thread.
Haha, no, you're right, just downloaded the hi res off the website and blew it up real big. It does look lower but might just be the angle and lighting. |
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Another one appears to be one-off modification. A palm swell (or speed bump) add-on to Clark grip safety. Also who know what rubber grip was that?
http://www.marines.mil/Pages/PhotoDetails.aspx?ItemUrl=http://www.marines.mil/unit/13thmeu/PublishingImages/DAC_2.jpg 
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That's an older photo - the "bump" added to the grip safety looks pretty clearly to be an "in house" modification, whether it's a piece of rubber that's been super glued on, or someone went through the trouble to weld it on is a different matter entirely, and difficult to determine.
Near as I can tell - I'd always assumed that those were the standard Pachmayr grips covered with skateboard tape - if you look along the bottom "bevel" of the grip, you can see where the grip tape is peeling off, and exposing black grip beneath. Especially if it's an older pistol, which the finish seems to imply - some of those Pachmayr grips have gotten rough and worn pretty smooth. It's not unreasonable in the least that an end user might use grip tape. Since Simonich discontinued the M9 Gunner Grips, I've been using a lot of grip tape on my own pistol stocks, and in other strategic places. ~Augee |
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Augee,
That's a good observation on the taped grip. Also when I zoom in that photo, I noticed that pistol have the traditional Colt style vertical slide serration. Must be a fairly old slide. It is interesting that the photo dated 2005. I have not seen one with vertical serration on any MEUSOC pistol photo. Obviously it it impossible to find out who made the slide. |
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Originally Posted By mlin: Another one appears to be one-off modification. A palm swell (or speed bump) add-on to Clark grip safety. Also who know what rubber grip was that? http://www.marines.mil/Pages/PhotoDetails.aspx?ItemUrl=http://www.marines.mil/unit/13thmeu/PublishingImages/DAC_2.jpg http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/cxl17/CDAC_2.jpg The grips looks like pachmayr to me that are completely covered in grip tape, you can kind of see the frayed edges of the tape at the bottom.  ETA NVM I see Augee already answered it. |
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Just looked over the OP I posted - I should probably finish and edit the thing, huh?
Nevertheless, I had mentioned that I'd not seen any MEU(SOC) .45s with vertical serrations, but in fact, one of the photos in that OP (of the "enthusiastic" lookin' fella on the firing line with MEU(SOC) .45s) - there's a pistol with vertical rear serrations - and interestingly slanted FCS. It's the one closest to the right side of the of the photo: 
They seem pretty rare compared to Variant 3s, 4s and 6s (still haven't seen many that can be conclusively said to be "Variant 5s" with EB thumb safeties) - and now, even Springfield Professionals. But there seem to be some out there, nevertheless. ~Augee |
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I take my words back. Last night I went back to my MEU photos downloaded from USMC website. Guess what I found, a clear picture of MEUSOC pistol with vertical serration on the slide. Luckily, portion of the rollmarks is also visible. It was a Springfield Armory slide judging from the rollmarks. Also the photo shown PWS using GI extractor and the profile of the PWS custom made rear sight. I can not find the original link to the download site, but this photo was dated 7/2008.
Another thing noted in this pistol is that the slide stop cutout on the frame like newer Colt 1991a1. 
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Member Marine Deadpool from 1911 Forum said we could link to his pictures of his Springfeild PRO that he was issued downrange:
He said it had been re-parked after the first photograph. The first photograph looks like the other ones that have been posted that may be very heavily worn Black-T, and not parking. It almost looks reverse two-tone in the first photograph. The PRO looks pretty standard, but Marine Deadpool mentioned some interesting things - namely it never came to him with a magwell (could easily have been replaced), but that it also had no front-strap checkering, unlike the standard PRO model - which would have been a little bit more difficult to "undo," meaning SA probably shipped it without front-strap checkering. A difference from the "usual" Bureau specs on the PROFESSIONAL. The thumb safeties were replaced with King's 201A parts, however both the grip safety and hammer appear to be SA standard parts, further establishing that basically as long as it has a "speed bump," it's "acceptable," the EB part is spec'ed because it's what they started using, but S&A and Springfield parts all seem to be present as well. The PWS serrations are not a new thing, nor is the replacement of the slide stop with a checkered part. However, this photo does show that the slide stop hole has been recessed like most PROFESSIONALS; most likely, the slide stop replacement is to replace SA slide stops that have been ground flush, not because of some crazy preference for checkered slide stops.
Also, it's hard to tell exactly what Novak sights are installed, but at a glance, it doesn't look like they're the standard Novak night sights on most PROS. I think it's almost certain at this point that PWS is getting a lot of factory pistols from Springfield Armory and that it goes beyond a small interim run and interim purchases. In my eyes, factory Springfields are a pretty legitimate variant, not an uncommon oddity. ~Augee |
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another piece to the puzzle...all i need now is a kings ambi(most likely will use a caspian)..and then a whole gun to modify although im probably gonna do a build instead..
ill black out the white part, and use a different front sight.... 
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Force Recon -
Pretty recent pic judging from the M4A1 features - but all the MEU(SOC) .45s seem to be Variant 5s with Ed Brown ambi-safeties instead of the Kings, and serrated MSH. Also, the second from left without grip medallions looks like one of the thumbswell Pachmayr grips, not the 45C grips. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Force Recon - http://www.marines.mil/unit/mcbjapan/PublishingImages/2011/110517-M-ZD328-082.JPG Pretty recent pic judging from the M4A1 features - but all the MEU(SOC) .45s seem to be Variant 5s with Ed Brown ambi-safeties instead of the Kings, and serrated MSH. Also, the second from left without grip medallions looks like one of the thumbswell Pachmayr grips, not the 45C grips. ~Augee 2nd from left has grip medallions, it just fell off on that side... |
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Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Force Recon - http://www.marines.mil/unit/mcbjapan/PublishingImages/2011/110517-M-ZD328-082.JPG Pretty recent pic judging from the M4A1 features - but all the MEU(SOC) .45s seem to be Variant 5s with Ed Brown ambi-safeties instead of the Kings, and serrated MSH. Also, the second from left without grip medallions looks like one of the thumbswell Pachmayr grips, not the 45C grips. ~Augee 2nd from left has grip medallions, it just fell off on that side... Rog - when I said "without" I meant "not present," not "never had."
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Force Recon - http://www.marines.mil/unit/mcbjapan/PublishingImages/2011/110517-M-ZD328-082.JPG Pretty recent pic judging from the M4A1 features - but all the MEU(SOC) .45s seem to be Variant 5s with Ed Brown ambi-safeties instead of the Kings, and serrated MSH. Also, the second from left without grip medallions looks like one of the thumbswell Pachmayr grips, not the 45C grips. ~Augee 2nd from left has grip medallions, it just fell off on that side... Rog - when I said "without" I meant "not present," not "never had."
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Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Force Recon - http://www.marines.mil/unit/mcbjapan/PublishingImages/2011/110517-M-ZD328-082.JPG Pretty recent pic judging from the M4A1 features - but all the MEU(SOC) .45s seem to be Variant 5s with Ed Brown ambi-safeties instead of the Kings, and serrated MSH. Also, the second from left without grip medallions looks like one of the thumbswell Pachmayr grips, not the 45C grips. ~Augee 2nd from left has grip medallions, it just fell off on that side... Rog - when I said "without" I meant "not present," not "never had."
~Augee
Interesting to note the holsters. Most look like Safariland, but one seems to be a Blackhawk Serpa. |
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Originally Posted By FAB-10_Guy:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Force Recon - http://www.marines.mil/unit/mcbjapan/PublishingImages/2011/110517-M-ZD328-082.JPG Pretty recent pic judging from the M4A1 features - but all the MEU(SOC) .45s seem to be Variant 5s with Ed Brown ambi-safeties instead of the Kings, and serrated MSH. Also, the second from left without grip medallions looks like one of the thumbswell Pachmayr grips, not the 45C grips. ~Augee 2nd from left has grip medallions, it just fell off on that side... Rog - when I said "without" I meant "not present," not "never had."
~Augee
Interesting to note the holsters. Most look like Safariland, but one seems to be a Blackhawk Serpa. yeah, the guy with no medallion has a serpa lol..what an outcast
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Finished my build after receiving my bar-sto barrel
http://www.readycitizen.com/gallery/meusoc45/barrel_installed.jpg http://www.readycitizen.com/gallery/meusoc45/meusoc45_final.jpg http://www.readycitizen.com/gallery/meusoc45/meusoc45_final3.jpg |
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Originally Posted By dante551:
Finished my build after receiving my bar-sto barrel http://www.readycitizen.com/gallery/meusoc45/barrel_installed.jpg http://www.readycitizen.com/gallery/meusoc45/meusoc45_final.jpg http://www.readycitizen.com/gallery/meusoc45/meusoc45_final3.jpg Very nice. I've considered doing that with my NM Loaded based pistol, but I just can't justify dumping the perfectly functioning Storm Lake barrel in mine. ~Augee |
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Thanks.
I agree, the Springfield 1911A1 Loaded comes with some great parts already and a very good pistol to start with in regards to this. I figured I might as well go for it since I was to that point and now I have extra parts to play around with. Some people have commented about the gap between the beavertail grip safety and the frame but I wasn't looking for a cosmetically perfect looking pistol that was never going to be shot. Much like the true nature of a MEU(SOC).45, its not about the looks...its about the functionality. http://www.readycitizen.com/meusoc-45-pistol http://www.readycitizen.com/meusoc45-project |
A new variant, "Variant 6" which looks like a factory built Springfield Armory pistol. You can clearly see the "USMC" serial numbered slide with Springfield Armory markings. The slide is unlike anything offered on the commercial market, with factory narrow FCS in carbon steel, with Novak sights. The sights appear to be genuine Novak, and not Springfield Armory, unlike the parts number and parts listings that we have seen in the last few years. Also, it's difficult to determine whether they're night sights or standard black like on the Variant 4s, though the paint would seem to indicate not. I'm assuming for the time being that the Pros shipped with the standard night sights, and the Kimber ICQB was spec'd with night sights. The barrel appears to be the standard Nowlin part installed in Springfield Custom pistols, and interestingly, unlike earlier variants, does not appear to have ever been blackened, nor has the bushing or barrel tip. Also, the barrel hood does not seem to be stamped with the last four of the serial number. In Page 274 of Patrick Sweeney's book "1911 The First 100 Years", he stated that Marine Corps ordered 250 SA 1911A1 pistols with SN# USMC010 through USMC260. The USMC144 pictured above was one of them. MC specified no single digit serial number, so the USMC001 to USMC009 probably were in civilian collectors hands. In page 276, the USMC003 pistol was photographed. Sweeney's quotes The pistols Marine Corp ordered looks like Custom Carry PC9102 with add-on FCS, lanyard loop, and ambi safety, and without SA Custom Shop logo. One can be duplicated by asking SACS to do. It would be an almost perfect replica of USMC order. The only difference will be the NM serial number vs. USMC serial number. |
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Originally Posted By mlin:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/akim85/M45%20CQC/USMC1911MEUSOC.jpg A new variant, "Variant 6" which looks like a factory built Springfield Armory pistol. You can clearly see the "USMC" serial numbered slide with Springfield Armory markings. The slide is unlike anything offered on the commercial market, with factory narrow FCS in carbon steel, with Novak sights. The sights appear to be genuine Novak, and not Springfield Armory, unlike the parts number and parts listings that we have seen in the last few years. Also, it's difficult to determine whether they're night sights or standard black like on the Variant 4s, though the paint would seem to indicate not. I'm assuming for the time being that the Pros shipped with the standard night sights, and the Kimber ICQB was spec'd with night sights. The barrel appears to be the standard Nowlin part installed in Springfield Custom pistols, and interestingly, unlike earlier variants, does not appear to have ever been blackened, nor has the bushing or barrel tip. Also, the barrel hood does not seem to be stamped with the last four of the serial number. In Page 274 of Patrick Sweeney's book "1911 The First 100 Years", he stated that Marine Corps ordered 250 SA 1911A1 pistols with SN# USMC010 through USMC260. The USMC144 pictured above was one of them. MC specified no single digit serial number, so the USMC001 to USMC009 probably were in civilian collectors hands. In page 276, the USMC003 pistol was photographed. Sweeney's quotes The pistols Marine Corp ordered looks like Custom Carry PC9102 with add-on FCS, lanyard loop, and ambi safety, and without SA Custom Shop logo. One can be duplicated by asking SACS to do. It would be an almost perfect replica of USMC order. The only difference will be the NM serial number vs. USMC serial number. Thank you for posting that article - interesting info in there. |
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Originally Posted By Squelman:
My copy of the MEUSOC Det1 Pistol. http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911001.jpg http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911010.jpg http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911003.jpg Very nice.... can you tell me anything about the rail and the mainspring housing? Specifically, makes/models and where to find them? |
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Originally Posted By XeroSygnal:
Originally Posted By Squelman:
My copy of the MEUSOC Det1 Pistol. http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911001.jpg http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911010.jpg http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911003.jpg Very nice.... can you tell me anything about the rail and the mainspring housing? Specifically, makes/models and where to find them? The Det One/ICQB used a Dawson Precision rail. My understanding is that Dawson is no longer making these though. If I had to guess, the mainspring housing looks like the Guncrafter integral model, but defer to Squelman on that... |
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Originally Posted By JSGlock34: Originally Posted By XeroSygnal: Originally Posted By Squelman: My copy of the MEUSOC Det1 Pistol. http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911001.jpg http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911010.jpg http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd491/mrpissedoff/MUESOC1911003.jpg Very nice.... can you tell me anything about the rail and the mainspring housing? Specifically, makes/models and where to find them? The Det One/ICQB used a Dawson Precision rail. My understanding is that Dawson is no longer making these though. If I had to guess, the mainspring housing looks like the Guncrafter integral model, but defer to Squelman on that... That's the MSH that I've had on my Desert Warrior since '05, and FWIW I don't think you can find a better bargain ($59.99, or $48.28 with dealer's discount) gratuitous gun prÖn:   |
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