How to obtain a SBR in the land of corruption !!! (Page 8 of 22)
| I'm now running into the challenge of finding a location that won't charge me $160 to do 8 cards in Will county (accurate biometrics). Local pd does them for $5 ea but the person that does them is hard to catch at the office. Any leads would be well appreciated. |
|
I believe it would be which ever has jurisdiction where you reside. So if you call the police and a deputy shows up go to the sheriff. If its a boy in blue go to the police chief.
Originally Posted By Matt_B:
Question - if I live in a city that has a Chief of Police and a Sherriff which one would be the CLEO I need to sign off on my C&R and Form 1? |
|
Originally Posted By jal777:
I'm now running into the challenge of finding a location that won't charge me $160 to do 8 cards in Will county (accurate biometrics). Local pd does them for $5 ea but the person that does them is hard to catch at the office. Any leads would be well appreciated. I live in Joliet area had mine done for $5 for two FD258 cards I had to supply to JPD. |
|
Well shit, I wish I would have read up on this before spending $100 on a trust.
The old McHenry County Sheriff wouldn't sign. I'm hoping the new one will once he takes office. How do you guys go about asking, just call and set up a meeting, email or other? |
Molon Labe
|
Originally Posted By NIUGoalie:
Well shit, I wish I would have read up on this before spending $100 on a trust. The old McHenry County Sheriff wouldn't sign. I'm hoping the new one will once he takes office. How do you guys go about asking, just call and set up a meeting, email or other? I emailed my (then) town's Chief, she replied right back and said she would but I was literally 1 street out of her jurisdiction. Sheriff would never contact me back. I now live in another county, so I need to try and get a hold of him. |
Squire
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
| I called (Will Co) and asked to set up a meeting with the Sheriff, and mentioned that I intended to ask him to sign off on my forms. They seemed to take this in stride more than I expected, and (at one point) admitted that I wasn't the first person to ask this, and that he had signed others in the past. The meeting was easy, pleasant, and I left with my signed forms. |
"My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them!" Author Unknown
| You can't go the trust route in Illinois. You have to get your forms signed by the highest ranking LEO where you live. Trusts are no longer being accepted. |
"My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them!" Author Unknown
|
Another question about lengths now that Ive read the thread (and got a C&R)
On the form 1 when they ask for OAL, is that stock extended? And we are for sure not able to have an SBR with an OAL of less than 26"? Is that right? 
I have a 9mm AR pistol with a 7" barrel I was planning to SBR. Even if it had an extended stock, it would only be 24" long 
|
Fuck you, cancer.
Team Lighthouse.
Team Lighthouse.
|
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Does anyone know why trusts are not allowed anymore? I don't know much about them, but is it possible that Rauner might allow them again? Or who is it up to? I think it comes down to the fact that a Trust is not an individual and a C&R can only be held by and individual. That was my take on it. |
Squire
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
|
Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Another question about lengths now that Ive read the thread (and got a C&R) On the form 1 when they ask for OAL, is that stock extended? And we are for sure not able to have an SBR with an OAL of less than 26"? Is that right?
I have a 9mm AR pistol with a 7" barrel I was planning to SBR. Even if it had an extended stock, it would only be 24" long <----------Not a lawyer nor NFA expert OAL length only comes into play when you want to put a VFG on a pistol, as once you do that to a gun with more than 26" OAL it becomes redefined as a "firearm". There are tons of folks with SBR's that have 6-10" barrels. |
Squire
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
|
Originally Posted By deserteaglexxx:
Any weapon that you sbr still has to be minimum of 26" in length? This is what the ATF sent me back on my application, how can you sbr a Kris's or ps90 they both come in under 26". I thought that was only for the re-enact or portion. Originally Posted By deserteaglexxx:
Any weapon that you sbr still has to be minimum of 26" in length? This is what the ATF sent me back on my application, how can you sbr a Kris's or ps90 they both come in under 26". I thought that was only for the re-enact or portion. Originally Posted By ryknoll3:
The way that NFA branch is reading the exception right now is that that 26" OAL applies to both C&R holders AND reenactors. Until someone gets an official clarification from the AG or ISP, the NFA branch will not approve SBR's under 26" OAL. To SBR a Kriss or P90 you would need to use a barrel that gets the OAL to 26". It will cost more money, but you could have a full length barrel down to get under 16" but keep the OAL at 26" and if the law is clarified, you can get it cut to the desired length later. I don't know if you can keep PS90's or Kriss's at 26" OAL with a <16" barrel, but it's an option. These are the two posts from page 9 to which I am referring to. Can I make an SBR in IL with an OAL of less than 26 or not? Has there been anyone else have this problem? |
Fuck you, cancer.
Team Lighthouse.
Team Lighthouse.
|
Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
These are the two posts from page 9 to which I am referring to. Can I make an SBR in IL with an OAL of less than 26 or not? Has there been anyone else have this problem? Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Originally Posted By deserteaglexxx:
Any weapon that you sbr still has to be minimum of 26" in length? This is what the ATF sent me back on my application, how can you sbr a Kris's or ps90 they both come in under 26". I thought that was only for the re-enact or portion. Originally Posted By ryknoll3:
The way that NFA branch is reading the exception right now is that that 26" OAL applies to both C&R holders AND reenactors. Until someone gets an official clarification from the AG or ISP, the NFA branch will not approve SBR's under 26" OAL. To SBR a Kriss or P90 you would need to use a barrel that gets the OAL to 26". It will cost more money, but you could have a full length barrel down to get under 16" but keep the OAL at 26" and if the law is clarified, you can get it cut to the desired length later. I don't know if you can keep PS90's or Kriss's at 26" OAL with a <16" barrel, but it's an option. These are the two posts from page 9 to which I am referring to. Can I make an SBR in IL with an OAL of less than 26 or not? Has there been anyone else have this problem? Well that's fucking retarded 
I can tell you that a 10.3" barrel and a carbine buffer tube will get you 26.5" (plus a little more once the stock is on there and the buttplate adds some length). And that's to the end of the barrel not the muzzle device, so that would add some too. |
Squire
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
|
Please excuse my ignorance, up until a couple of days ago I didn't think and SBR in Illinois was possible. If I get my C&R and complete the SBR application and it's approved by ATF, am I the only one able to fire the weapon or can others shoot it as long as I am with them? I believe I have viewed every post on this thread and I did not recall seeing it mentioned.
If an SBR in Il is possible that will be great because, I can shut my buddy up in Wi. Of course he will still be the first one with and SBR and the first to get his CCW, but I'm catching up. Than ks in advance for the info. |
|
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Well that's fucking retarded
I can tell you that a 10.3" barrel and a carbine buffer tube will get you 26.5" (plus a little more once the stock is on there and the buttplate adds some length). And that's to the end of the barrel not the muzzle device, so that would add some too. Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Originally Posted By deserteaglexxx:
Any weapon that you sbr still has to be minimum of 26" in length? This is what the ATF sent me back on my application, how can you sbr a Kris's or ps90 they both come in under 26". I thought that was only for the re-enact or portion. Originally Posted By ryknoll3:
The way that NFA branch is reading the exception right now is that that 26" OAL applies to both C&R holders AND reenactors. Until someone gets an official clarification from the AG or ISP, the NFA branch will not approve SBR's under 26" OAL. To SBR a Kriss or P90 you would need to use a barrel that gets the OAL to 26". It will cost more money, but you could have a full length barrel down to get under 16" but keep the OAL at 26" and if the law is clarified, you can get it cut to the desired length later. I don't know if you can keep PS90's or Kriss's at 26" OAL with a <16" barrel, but it's an option. These are the two posts from page 9 to which I am referring to. Can I make an SBR in IL with an OAL of less than 26 or not? Has there been anyone else have this problem? Well that's fucking retarded
I can tell you that a 10.3" barrel and a carbine buffer tube will get you 26.5" (plus a little more once the stock is on there and the buttplate adds some length). And that's to the end of the barrel not the muzzle device, so that would add some too. The stock counts in the length, measured from fully extended position. The muzzle device does NOT count, unless it's permanently attached. |
|
Originally Posted By glonn:
Please excuse my ignorance, up until a couple of days ago I didn't think and SBR in Illinois was possible. If I get my C&R and complete the SBR application and it's approved by ATF, am I the only one able to fire the weapon or can others shoot it as long as I am with them? I believe I have viewed every post on this thread and I did not recall seeing it mentioned. If an SBR in Il is possible that will be great because, I can shut my buddy up in Wi. Of course he will still be the first one with and SBR and the first to get his CCW, but I'm catching up. Than ks in advance for the info. Others can shoot it if you are present. No felons, of course, but anyone else would be good to go. |
|
Originally Posted By glonn:
Please excuse my ignorance, up until a couple of days ago I didn't think and SBR in Illinois was possible. If I get my C&R and complete the SBR application and it's approved by ATF, am I the only one able to fire the weapon or can others shoot it as long as I am with them? I believe I have viewed every post on this thread and I did not recall seeing it mentioned. If an SBR in Il is possible that will be great because, I can shut my buddy up in Wi. Of course he will still be the first one with and SBR and the first to get his CCW, but I'm catching up. Than ks in advance for the info. Not a lawyer but as long as you're present, it shouldn't be an issue. Folks in freer states go shoot their cans/sbr's at their dealer all the time before the stamp comes back. |
Squire
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
CVMA Chapter 24-2
"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent"- War Daddy
| Thanks again for the info. I stopped into a local shop today and spoke to them about C&R. The owner firmly believes the SBR ban will be over turned shortly after the suppressor ban fall. He doesn't recommend going the C&R route because it opens you up to the AFT. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I may give it a little time and see what happens with HB0433. It will also give me time to save up for the new toys. |
|
Originally Posted By glonn:
Thanks again for the info. I stopped into a local shop today and spoke to them about C&R. The owner firmly believes the SBR ban will be over turned shortly after the suppressor ban fall. He doesn't recommend going the C&R route because it opens you up to the AFT. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I may give it a little time and see what happens with HB0433. It will also give me time to save up for the new toys. He's full of crap. C&R doesn't open you up to anything. Yes, the ATF can inspect your books, but unlike a regular FFL, they can't just roll in any time they please. They would schedule an appointment, which can be done at their office, so you don't even have to have an agent at your home. You don't lose 4A rights or any of the other Internet/gunshop BS you hear. I've had a C&R for almost 10 years and have never heard from anyone. When you renew, you mark down the number of guns you've acquired and disposed of, just the number, nothing specific and that's it. |
| Does anyone know of any sot's in central IL that will do transfers? |
Bloodsport2885: Because if your riflemen can't reach it, your marksman can. If your marksman can't reach it, your sniper can. If your sniper can't reach it, your arty/air can. If they can't reach it then fuck that target. He isn't even worried about you.
| I just dropped off my Form 1's at the Kane County Sheriff's Office. I had called earlier to see if I needed to make an appointment, and his Executive Assistant (Mitzi) said to just drop them off at the Sheriff's Office and that I needed to include my contact info. She said that after they were signed that they would mail the forms back to me. I will update this when I receive the signed forms back. |
|
Originally Posted By madaragas:
When filling out ATF Form 1, in box #8 it asks for "Name and Title of Authorized Official". Anybody know the proper information to put in this box? Not sure what "Authorized Official" they are referring to? Thanks, Nothing. This is for a corporation. Individuals leave this blank. |
| I'm bummed that I can't SBR a ps90. they need to amend that 26" minimum part of the law. |
Bloodsport2885: Because if your riflemen can't reach it, your marksman can. If your marksman can't reach it, your sniper can. If your sniper can't reach it, your arty/air can. If they can't reach it then fuck that target. He isn't even worried about you.
|
Originally Posted By MHS69:
I just dropped off my Form 1's at the Kane County Sheriff's Office. I had called earlier to see if I needed to make an appointment, and his Executive Assistant (Mitzi) said to just drop them off at the Sheriff's Office and that I needed to include my contact info. She said that after they were signed that they would mail the forms back to me. I will update this when I receive the signed forms back. Update, Just received my signed off Form 1's back from Kane County Sheriff Kramer. Now to get my finger prints done and mail them in! |
|
Originally Posted By MHS69:
Update, Just received my signed off Form 1's back from Kane County Sheriff Kramer. Now to get my finger prints done and mail them in! Originally Posted By MHS69:
Originally Posted By MHS69:
I just dropped off my Form 1's at the Kane County Sheriff's Office. I had called earlier to see if I needed to make an appointment, and his Executive Assistant (Mitzi) said to just drop them off at the Sheriff's Office and that I needed to include my contact info. She said that after they were signed that they would mail the forms back to me. I will update this when I receive the signed forms back. Update, Just received my signed off Form 1's back from Kane County Sheriff Kramer. Now to get my finger prints done and mail them in! Excellent! He was easy to work with? Sven Manticore Arms |
Advanced Fighting Gear for the AR, AK, AUG, and Tavor! www.manticorearms.com
|
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Excellent! He was easy to work with? Sven Manticore Arms Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By MHS69:
Originally Posted By MHS69:
I just dropped off my Form 1's at the Kane County Sheriff's Office. I had called earlier to see if I needed to make an appointment, and his Executive Assistant (Mitzi) said to just drop them off at the Sheriff's Office and that I needed to include my contact info. She said that after they were signed that they would mail the forms back to me. I will update this when I receive the signed forms back. Update, Just received my signed off Form 1's back from Kane County Sheriff Kramer. Now to get my finger prints done and mail them in! Excellent! He was easy to work with? Sven Manticore Arms Yes he was easy now. Back in Dec. I called his office about getting Form 1's signed, and his Executive Asst. took my info over the phone and said that they would look into it. She called me back the next day and said that "they" thought as a resident of Saint Charles that I should talk to the Saint Charles Police Chief about the Form 1's. I then mentioned this to Todd V. (on Illinoiscarry.com) and he stated that he was setting up a meeting with the new Sheriff. Todd then let me know that the Sheriff was now educated on SBR's and that I should call his office and set up an appointment with the Sheriff. I called his office and they told me to just drop off the filled out Form 1's and to include all my contact info and that they would mail me back the Forms. I immediately dropped off the forms and true to their word, I had the signed off Form 1's 5 days later. Easy peasy! 
|
| Ok guys I need some help. Ive been denied by city, and county LEO. Knowing full well that ISP wont help here is my question. I own a side business that is an "S" corp. Can the corporation apply for the stamp while I hold the C&R? I am the CEO and only officer with in the corporation. |
|
Originally Posted By hsiddall:
Ok guys I need some help. Ive been denied by city, and county LEO. Sorry bud...the LEO signed forms is the only way to go at the moment. As far as I know, the discrepancy between names on the C&R and names on the trust is the primary reason that trusts aren't allowed here. |
"My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them!" Author Unknown
|
Originally Posted By hsiddall:
Ok guys I need some help. Ive been denied by city, and county LEO. Knowing full well that ISP wont help here is my question. I own a side business that is an "S" corp. Can the corporation apply for the stamp while I hold the C&R? I am the CEO and only officer with in the corporation. Where are you located? |
I'm too drunk to taste this chicken.
|
Originally Posted By hsiddall:
Im in DeKalb (city limits). Ive heard back form ATF and If I choose to apply for another C&R in my business name I can register it in the name of the company. Sweet! ...except that the ATF will not issue a C&R in a business name from everything we know, only the name of an individual That being said, if it does work let everyone here know! Might solve the Trust issue if it works. |
Advanced Fighting Gear for the AR, AK, AUG, and Tavor! www.manticorearms.com
|
Email from aft...
Greetings from the NFA Branch - To apply, representing the "INC," the same entity would require the proper FFL to comply w/ the State Law: "Harlans Home Inspections Inc" Welcome you to call my office to discuss further... At your convenience, Then I asked can a inc hold cand r? Answer... True, -----Original Message----- From: Siddall Harlan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:25 PM To: Clutter, Ted Subject: RE: Illinois SBR question can the "INC" hold a c and r? ------------------- |
| What would the advantage be of acquiring it in your business name? Is your business in a different area where you can get LEO approval? You still wouldn't be able to puf it in a trust, right? |
"My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them!" Author Unknown
|
Originally Posted By hsiddall:
Only personal apps require Cleo. Business entity or trust don't need it. Since I can't go trust I may as well have by business register it. Is this something new? I don't recall ever hearing anything about this before. |
"My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them!" Author Unknown