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Posted: 3/17/2022 3:41:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: --------- Russians lose contact with a unit (Baghdad), try contacting him three different ways with no success Soldier informs other units that there’s shelling of the crossing, and a tank is on fire on a side street. They’re trying to figure out if it’s Russian or Ukrainian Turns out the tank on fire belongs to Baghdad, the unit they lost contact with. “How’d he end up there?” Funny exchange between two Russian signalmen, when one asks the same question for the tenth time: “Has the BTR been moved into service?” “I don’t know, I’m a fucking radioman” “And what the fuck am I?” Russian extremely frustrated now that their mines/munitions didn’t go off. As many curse words as actual words: Same soldier still very, very frustrated, this time about the same BTR mentioned way back in the thread. They *still* haven’t figured out what’s going on with it. Pretty. cool Wonder how accurate are the translations? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 3:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty. cool Wonder how accurate are the translations? They're accurate |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 8:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 17, 2022 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/FOCOaWaXMAEsgqh_jpeg-2316440.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/FOCOaqgWQAAjZ6z_jpeg-2316442.JPG A ring of little biconicals. That's really bizarre. 
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Posted: 3/17/2022 8:22:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A ring of little biconicals. That's really bizarre. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 17, 2022 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/FOCOaWaXMAEsgqh_jpeg-2316440.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/FOCOaqgWQAAjZ6z_jpeg-2316442.JPG A ring of little biconicals. That's really bizarre. Broadband direction finding array. I was more struck with the cheapo WiFi grid dish antennas that hadn't been assembled yet. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 8:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Broadband direction finding array. I was more struck with the cheapo WiFi grid dish antennas that hadn't been assembled yet. Look just like ours. 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:57:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:17:38 AM EDT
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It's a communication of sorts...
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:08:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:21:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:31:36 PM EDT
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Interesting, the long antenna on the one radio is for platoon to company communications and the short antenna radio is intra squad?
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Posted: 3/19/2022 6:32:35 PM EDT
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Those antennas make me think they're using midband (european 66-88mhz land mobile band).
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Posted: 3/19/2022 7:30:14 PM EDT
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I didn't think about that, do the Europeans have a VHF lowband allocation? If it's military comms, could be anywhere. Just like the amateur 420-450 band, we are secondary to military use.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 8:30:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't think about that, do the Europeans have a VHF lowband allocation? If it's military comms, could be anywhere. Just like the amateur 420-450 band, we are secondary to military use. Yes, like the US a decent chunk of 40-50MHz has military as a primary allocation. There's another allocation as mentioned above from 70-75MHz (and 78-86 MHz as well.) Quite a few military radios are exclusively what we'd call VHF low 30- to 88 MHz -- SINCGARS, for example, and the old PRC series, so they really can't be "anywhere" with those radios. I'd imagine other countries are similar for actual military gear as opposed to civilian stuff used by the military. Of course the military can operate anywhere they want, but a lot of harmonization of bands across multiple countries puts most of it in a few places during peacetime and a lot of that VHF low gear is still fielded. The newer US radios (PRC-117) are closer to the "operate anywhere" ideal as they're near "dc to daylight" SDR based rigs -- 30 MHz to 2GHz. I'd be skeptical russia/ukraine are operating with much gear that advanced given what we've seen. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 8:55:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 8:59:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, like the US a decent chunk of 40-50MHz has military as a primary allocation. There's another allocation as mentioned above from 70-75MHz (and 78-86 MHz as well.) Quite a few military radios are exclusively what we'd call VHF low 30- to 88 MHz -- SINCGARS, for example, and the old PRC series, so they really can't be "anywhere" with those radios. I'd imagine other countries are similar for actual military gear as opposed to civilian stuff used by the military. Of course the military can operate anywhere they want, but a lot of harmonization of bands across multiple countries puts most of it in a few places during peacetime and a lot of that VHF low gear is still fielded. The newer US radios (PRC-117) are closer to the "operate anywhere" ideal as they're near "dc to daylight" SDR based rigs -- 30 MHz to 2GHz. I'd be skeptical russia/ukraine are operating with much gear that advanced given what we've seen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't think about that, do the Europeans have a VHF lowband allocation? If it's military comms, could be anywhere. Just like the amateur 420-450 band, we are secondary to military use. Yes, like the US a decent chunk of 40-50MHz has military as a primary allocation. There's another allocation as mentioned above from 70-75MHz (and 78-86 MHz as well.) Quite a few military radios are exclusively what we'd call VHF low 30- to 88 MHz -- SINCGARS, for example, and the old PRC series, so they really can't be "anywhere" with those radios. I'd imagine other countries are similar for actual military gear as opposed to civilian stuff used by the military. Of course the military can operate anywhere they want, but a lot of harmonization of bands across multiple countries puts most of it in a few places during peacetime and a lot of that VHF low gear is still fielded. The newer US radios (PRC-117) are closer to the "operate anywhere" ideal as they're near "dc to daylight" SDR based rigs -- 30 MHz to 2GHz. I'd be skeptical russia/ukraine are operating with much gear that advanced given what we've seen. In europe they had TV channels in our VHF-Low band spectrum (30-66), and land mobile 66-88. The mil 30-88 radios allow for use on either land mobile or borrowed TV channel frequencies essentially anywhere in the world, but antennas are big. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 11:10:17 PM EDT
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I was thinking about the NATO standard PRC-148 and the PRC-152. Gamma was probably right about the 66-88 band since anything lower would need the blade antenna to get any range.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 11:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, been listening since the start. I'm in the middle of the US so I can't hear anything directly. Most everyone is using various web sdr sites. The best seem to be in the Netherlands areas. Propagation to there from there seems to be good on most freqs. Care to share what sites you use to listen to the traffic? Maybe links to the best ones in the Netherlands and other areas. Is there anything closer to listen to VHF/UHF comms? I will forward this to Ukrainian friends who provide radio traffic surveilance for the Ukrainian Territorial Defence (civil defence). |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 12:16:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to share what sites you use to listen to the traffic? Maybe links to the best ones in the Netherlands and other areas. Is there anything closer to listen to VHF/UHF comms? I will forward this to Ukrainian friends who provide radio traffic surveilance for the Ukrainian Territorial Defence (civil defence). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, been listening since the start. I'm in the middle of the US so I can't hear anything directly. Most everyone is using various web sdr sites. The best seem to be in the Netherlands areas. Propagation to there from there seems to be good on most freqs. Care to share what sites you use to listen to the traffic? Maybe links to the best ones in the Netherlands and other areas. Is there anything closer to listen to VHF/UHF comms? I will forward this to Ukrainian friends who provide radio traffic surveilance for the Ukrainian Territorial Defence (civil defence). You'd have to have someone local in Ukraine with connectivity to the outside world running a Web SDR to be able to monitor VHF/UHF stuff. This is the european web SDR that I usually use, it seems to be decent: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 12:19:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2022 12:21:25 AM EDT
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 Attached FileUv5r battle proven  Attached FileAbove are Americans in Ukraine. Possibly retevis RT22 with tape on them. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 8:53:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:31:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uv5r battle proven Attached FileAbove are Americans in Ukraine. Possibly retevis RT22 with tape on them. Old Czechoslovakian vz.58 rifles . |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:16:37 AM EDT
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Trash soldiers with baofengs.
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Posted: 3/23/2022 3:28:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2022 3:39:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/424008/4D6A3947-94F5-4EC1-BB43-990EDBDEDBF8_jpe-2323634.JPG Wonder what the smaller green device to the left of the radios is? Looks like a GPS. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 3:41:30 PM EDT
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That's what I was thinking.
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Posted: 3/27/2022 9:48:40 AM EDT
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Interesting article on Russian Comms in the current conflict:
Russian Comms in Ukraine: A World of Hertz *Spoiler: lots of CCRs lol |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 11:28:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2022 1:10:05 PM EDT
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The 187s have phone buttons I wonder if it has a built in phone. GSM or something similar.
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Posted: 3/27/2022 1:32:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 187s have phone buttons I wonder of theirs som built in phone. GSM or something similar. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 1:40:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, the public data on their specs mentions the ability to operate on civilian cellular networks as an option. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The 187s have phone buttons I wonder of theirs som built in phone. GSM or something similar. Holy fuck. Reading my quote in your post was painful. Had to edit.
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Posted: 3/27/2022 6:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting article on Russian Comms in the current conflict: Russian Comms in Ukraine: A World of Hertz *Spoiler: lots of CCRs lol That was an interesting read about Russian communications. I wonder what will happen to their radio gear when the Russians set off a tactical nuke in the the Ukraine? |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 6:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was an interesting read about Russian communications. I wonder what will happen to their radio gear when the Russians set off a tactical nuke in the the Ukraine? Pretty much nothing. Small electronics aren't affected by EMP, and nuke EMP effects are at their worst at high altitudes. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:33:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2022 9:02:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNot just one but multiple baofengs. One of the takeaways here is just how useful two-way radios are down to the individual soldier level, but also how dependent people become on them. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 9:10:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, the public data on their specs mentions the ability to operate on civilian cellular networks as an option. LMR/PoC bridging is really cool, but I prefer the devices to be separate. Anything with cellular/LTE connectivity is an inherent security threat. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 12:27:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryR-168-5UN-2(K) The R-168-5UN-2 radio set, carried by the VHF band with frequency modulation, is designed to provide open and technically protected confidential radio communications in the company-battalion-regiment link of the tactical control level. Main characteristics: Frequency range, MHz 30…107.975 Frequency grid spacing, kHz 25 Receiver sensitivity, µV, not more than 0.8 Level of susceptibility for receiving side channels, dB, not less than 80 Susceptibility level for blocking at detuning ±10% dB, not less than 120 Relative frequency deviation, not more than ±1.0*10-6 MTBF, hour, not less than 4500 Operating temperature range, ºC - 40…….+55 Transmitter output power, W, not less: Full -8 Medium-2 Low -.25 Communication range, in the maximum power transmission mode, when working on the ASh-1.5 (ABV) antenna, km, not less than: in the FM TLF mode when transmitting digital information in all modes of operation 10 (20) 8 (16) Current consumption at supply voltage from 10.2 to 15 V, mA, not more than: 8 W transmission 2 W transmission 0.25 W transmission Reception Duty reception with EC 3600 2500 1500 750 110 Weight of the working set, kg, no more than 9.0 Weight of the delivery set, kg, no more than 44.5   Innards Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 5:51:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 6:53:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBaofeng and a pepsi in the back ground |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 8:46:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 9:06:00 PM EDT
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Hams poo-poo'ed the Baofeng and now the Baofeng is "Battle tested".
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Posted: 3/29/2022 9:07:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hams poo-poo'ed the Baofeng and now the Baofeng is "Battle tested". King of the battle field. Lol |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 9:18:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: King of the battle field. Lol It's the ultimate "if it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid". |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 10:02:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI swear I saw a radio just like that for sale on one of the chinese sites, lol. |
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Posted: 3/30/2022 2:57:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2022 3:21:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2022 6:19:14 PM EDT
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,wrong thread
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Posted: 3/30/2022 6:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hams poo-poo'ed the Baofeng and now the Baofeng is "Battle tested". To be fair, any of the big 3 will be better and I remember plenty of pics of the Taliban rocking Icom handhelds. My read isn't so much that they're battle tested as those using them are that desperate for comms. The Russian gear must be in very short supply or simply suck bad. |
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Posted: 3/30/2022 8:08:00 PM EDT
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Okay. I'll ask: does Russian army communications protocol include every soldier having a radio for intra-squad comms? Ours didn't during the 1991 Gulf War.
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Posted: 3/31/2022 10:29:54 AM EDT
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 The brutality of war on Ukraine’s front lines |
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