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Posted: 3/31/2022 4:37:56 PM EDT
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 UVB-76 Gangnam Style Jamming Russian Military Radio [tweet]https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1509541496608935946?s=20&t=JEWAyZ196r7CjKZ9WarG5g[/tweet]] |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 6:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6HhF3Qf4fA[tweet]https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1509541496608935946?s=20&t=JEWAyZ196r7CjKZ9WarG5g[/tweet]] 
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Posted: 3/31/2022 7:49:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2022 8:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm still really curious about the frequency of those long-antenna HTs that we've seen many examples of. It's much longer than a full 1/4 wave at 2m/VHF high band, so pretty much has to be low band, mid band or VHF aviation. I guess in theory it could be something like a 1/2 wave for something in the 220-300 range... I know 220-225 is a gov land mobile band in Region 1, and mil in some places in the world uses some frequencies in the 225+ range for land mobile stuff, but that seems unlikely to me. VHF aviation seems even more unlikely. A bit intrigued by that Azart HT also, but more for what could readily be done to make something like that vs the Russian product itself. With modern SDR technology it would not be terribly difficult or expensive for one of the chinese companies to make something like that, that could do RX from 24 up to... 960, maybe 1300mhz. With several TX bands. |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 8:51:28 PM EDT
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Based on this pic the Azart ships with a pretty big antenna
 Specs say 27-520MHz coverage. I'm pretty sure the other radios are VHF Low band. I've been searching for more details and not finding much, but a ham on the border of Ukraine did list one frequency at 41.825 MHz, which would make sense with those antennas. It also would make sense since so many military radios are VHF low already and there's plenty of VHF low allocations for them. This pic shows 31, 39 and 44 MHz as well as some HF freqs, allegedly used by Russian tanks. |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 9:07:13 PM EDT
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Vhf low band with DMR seems interesting. Wonder how well it preforms over our conventional vhf DMR splits?
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Posted: 3/31/2022 9:30:35 PM EDT
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Antenna efficiency aside, I'd expect VHF low DMR to do a little better in hilly terrain/cities/forests due to lower absorption and
better refraction. It's a noisier band so maybe lower range at fringe distances v. analog. Taking antenna efficiency into account, handhelds probably suck pretty bad range wise, 1/4W antenna at 44 MHz is close to 6 feet and it gets worse, it's 8 feet at 30 MHz. So they're probably running 1/8th wave and taking a pretty serious efficiency hit doing so. Not so much an issue for vehicle antennas at all though. I bet a the high band and UHF handhelds like the Baofengs are beating the military equipment in range. (And absolutely smoking the military stuff in range per pound, lol.) |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 9:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet a the high band and UHF handhelds like the Baofengs are beating the military equipment in range. (And absolutely smoking the military stuff in range per pound, lol.) It's easy to see what is actually getting used the most, by both sides. |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 11:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still really curious about the frequency of those long-antenna HTs that we've seen many examples of. It's much longer than a full 1/4 wave at 2m/VHF high band, so pretty much has to be low band, mid band or VHF aviation. I guess in theory it could be something like a 1/2 wave for something in the 220-300 range... I know 220-225 is a gov land mobile band in Region 1, and mil in some places in the world uses some frequencies in the 225+ range for land mobile stuff, but that seems unlikely to me. VHF aviation seems even more unlikely. A bit intrigued by that Azart HT also, but more for what could readily be done to make something like that vs the Russian product itself. With modern SDR technology it would not be terribly difficult or expensive for one of the chinese companies to make something like that, that could do RX from 24 up to... 960, maybe 1300mhz. With several TX bands. Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still really curious about the frequency of those long-antenna HTs that we've seen many examples of. It's much longer than a full 1/4 wave at 2m/VHF high band, so pretty much has to be low band, mid band or VHF aviation. I guess in theory it could be something like a 1/2 wave for something in the 220-300 range... I know 220-225 is a gov land mobile band in Region 1, and mil in some places in the world uses some frequencies in the 225+ range for land mobile stuff, but that seems unlikely to me. VHF aviation seems even more unlikely. A bit intrigued by that Azart HT also, but more for what could readily be done to make something like that vs the Russian product itself. With modern SDR technology it would not be terribly difficult or expensive for one of the chinese companies to make something like that, that could do RX from 24 up to... 960, maybe 1300mhz. With several TX bands. I have some of those long antennas like that. I can't recall the manufacturer now but it was one of the regular HT antenna companies. They have the MX threaded stud that works on the Waris and TRBO stuff. I got them in an auction lot of other things. They are for VHF hi band.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 11:46:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Antenna efficiency aside, I'd expect VHF low DMR to do a little better in hilly terrain/cities/forests due to lower absorption and better refraction. It's a noisier band so maybe lower range at fringe distances v. analog. Taking antenna efficiency into account, handhelds probably suck pretty bad range wise, 1/4W antenna at 44 MHz is close to 6 feet and it gets worse, it's 8 feet at 30 MHz. So they're probably running 1/8th wave and taking a pretty serious efficiency hit doing so. Not so much an issue for vehicle antennas at all though. I bet a the high band and UHF handhelds like the Baofengs are beating the military equipment in range. (And absolutely smoking the military stuff in range per pound, lol.) Would be nice if they could at least get something like these with some encryption. https://www.remtronix.com/land-mobile-radio/digital-radios/dj-md5xt/ Heck even the Anytones with encryption. I doubt the RU guys would have the ability to break it in the field or have access to anyone who could in real enough time to make it worthwhile. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 7:10:32 PM EDT
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Didn't know Alinco made radios like that? I guess the question about better tactical radios depends on whether the CCRs are personally purchased or agency supplied (probably personal funds). I don't know how much income a Russian or Ukrainian citizen has to buy personal equipment with.
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Posted: 4/2/2022 8:11:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LMR/PoC bridging is really cool, but I prefer the devices to be separate. Anything with cellular/LTE connectivity is an inherent security threat. Not if all your comrades take out every cell tower making them not work. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 8:35:25 PM EDT
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Ukrainian friends asked me how much Harris military radios cost and if I can help them buy some. Any comments?
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Posted: 4/2/2022 8:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainian friends asked me how much Harris military radios cost and if I can help them buy some. Any comments? An Army MARS guy at Dayton who was showing off one of their export variants of the PRC-117G said it was around 30k. I'm not sure on their export 30-512 HTs but I would bet it's excess of 10k. When I inquired about a Thales PRC-6809 (export MBITR) it was around $7000. I would think you would have to be affiliated with some sort of .gov agency or NGO the .gov likes to get them to even talk to you. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 9:15:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainian friends asked me how much Harris military radios cost and if I can help them buy some. Any comments? Sent an American distributor for codan about pricing and they never even responded. Should have done it with my .gov email lol |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 9:22:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An Army MARS guy at Dayton who was showing off one of their export variants of the PRC-117G said it was around 30k. I'm not sure on their export 30-512 HTs but I would bet it's excess of 10k. When I inquired about a Thales PRC-6809 (export MBITR) it was around $7000. I would think you would have to be affiliated with some sort of .gov agency or NGO the .gov likes to get them to even talk to you. My reply wasn't far off.  I'm sending them a box of Baofengs and TYT HTs instead. 
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Posted: 4/2/2022 10:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My reply wasn't far off. I'm sending them a box of Baofengs and TYT HTs instead. Honestly, sending 40 chinese radios is probably more helpful than one harris. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 10:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainian friends asked me how much Harris military radios cost and if I can help them buy some. Any comments? The war will probably be over before civilian ITAR paperwork on something like that would clear. Apparently the US marines IISR radios are derived from Motorola Astro 2500i units, those are actually reasonably affordable and encrypted. They're going for $200 used on ebay. That's much more in line with the cheap chinese radio + AES idea. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 10:14:09 PM EDT
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Appears to be a notable number of DMR radios in use, those are pretty reasonably priced from various chinese manufacturers. The only good use for something like a Harris or MBITR type radio would be to monitor (or access...) milsats or other frequency range that the usual VHF/UHF radios don't cover. Or whatever lowband/midband frequencies, but I think there is a wouxun low band/high band handheld radio.
I saw a post on twitter of someone shipping out like 20 DMR radios. They were specifically asking for TYT MD-380, probably already had a program file set up for them. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 10:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The war will probably be over before civilian ITAR paperwork on something like that would clear. Apparently the US marines IISR radios are derived from Motorola Astro 2500i units, those are actually reasonably affordable and encrypted. They're going for $200 used on ebay. That's much more in line with the cheap chinese radio + AES idea. The learning curve on CPS and need of a keyloader would make the motos a bad choice to send over. Cheap Chinese DMR that offers some sort of encryption even the most basic would be better than the RT22 seen by the Russians. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 11:11:07 PM EDT
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My guess for squad level AES DMR would get it done. For regional secure communications they are going to need real mil grade NVIS HF and preferably satcom. They ate going to need their government to get involved for that. So many export rules and regulations involved to send the good stuff even if you can afford it.
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Posted: 4/2/2022 11:32:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, sending 40 chinese radios is probably more helpful than one harris. I had so many problems with our Harris radios in Afghanistan that I'd have no ethical problem putting a Harris Falcon radio in a tube sock and beating Harris radio CEO with one. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 11:32:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess for squad level AES DMR would get it done. For regional secure communications they are going to need real mil grade NVIS HF and preferably satcom. They ate going to need their government to get involved for that. So many export rules and regulations involved to send the good stuff even if you can afford it. For regional secure communications they seem to be using iphone or android. In with whatever other aid is being sent, maybe some COW systems might be one of the more useful options. |
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Posted: 4/3/2022 1:52:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sent an American distributor for codan about pricing and they never even responded. Should have done it with my .gov email lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukrainian friends asked me how much Harris military radios cost and if I can help them buy some. Any comments? Sent an American distributor for codan about pricing and they never even responded. Should have done it with my .gov email lol That's odd. I found them easy to work with and they happily sold me a 2210 remote control mic and also gave me quotes for other things. |
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Posted: 4/3/2022 8:41:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The learning curve on CPS and need of a keyloader would make the motos a bad choice to send over. Cheap Chinese DMR that offers some sort of encryption even the most basic would be better than the RT22 seen by the Russians. One of you guys would have to ship out with them. 
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Posted: 4/3/2022 11:18:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The learning curve on CPS and need of a keyloader would make the motos a bad choice to send over. Cheap Chinese DMR that offers some sort of encryption even the most basic would be better than the RT22 seen by the Russians. Those IISRs have FPP enabled, and we can always email clonable codeplugs over. The keyloader requirement for anything beyond ADP is a pain, though. Because of their existing TRBO infrastructure, that's the best move. I say that with serious reservations, though - I've had TRBO radios screw up in ways that could have gotten me killed because of their poor UI. 7550s in particular have a tendency to turn off or change channels when knocked/bumped/dragged; lockout is essential for tactical radios. |
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Posted: 4/3/2022 11:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap Chinese DMR that offers some sort of encryption even the most basic would be better than the RT22 seen by the Russians. If Baofeng was making my hypothetical Azart-ofeng that included DMR, they'd be shipping them by the containerload to Ukraine, or US hams & preppers. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 4:44:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Baofeng was making my hypothetical Azart-ofeng that included DMR, they'd be shipping them by the containerload to Ukraine, or US hams & preppers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cheap Chinese DMR that offers some sort of encryption even the most basic would be better than the RT22 seen by the Russians. If Baofeng was making my hypothetical Azart-ofeng that included DMR, they'd be shipping them by the containerload to Ukraine, or US hams & preppers. The Ailunce HD1 would do that with FPP. It doesn't have the best of reputations for reliability, though. It does handle encryption, but it's pretty proprietary. It is ip67 rated, and, iirc, will take Moto accys. The screen is hard to read outdoors. FWIW, a 16 channel radio with no display is probably the best bet for field use. Also easier to prevent liquid ingress, and without a display, battery life is much better. Once programmed, you could lock out read, and, it would be much harder for anyone to see what was in the radio without the proper password. I am a firm believer in keeping it simple for the end user. Programming would become someone's full time job. Spread out over a combat zone might make life difficult. There would be some benefit to low power short range comms for field units. Less of a chance for opfor to intercept your transmissions if they aren't close enough to actually hear you. Based on the terrain of the area, vhf would probably be the best choice when longer distances are required. A manpack portable x band repeater might make sense to achieve greater distance, when needed. The added benefit would be that you could distance yourself from it if the signal was intercepted. Locate your repeater away from your personnel. This from someone who has never had to do this in the field before. I think this should have been taken care of long before any of this became a thing. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 2:55:03 AM EDT
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Why Russian radios in Ukraine are getting spammed with heavy metal
Modern military-grade radios encrypt signals and change the frequency on which they operate many times a second, making their transmissions impossible to intercept. But many Russian forces are communicating on unencrypted high-frequency (HF) channels that allow anyone with a ham radio to eavesdrop. The Russian army does have some modern tech. It started receiving Azart radios, which have built-in encryption and can operate on much higher frequencies, in 2012. Thomas Withington, a military analyst specialising in electronic warfare, says that the Azart system seems adequate, if inferior to the equipment used by NATO forces. But there are not enough radios to go around. Russian news reports have talked enthusiastically about deliveries of a few hundred radios shipped to whole army groups comprising several thousand troops. By the most optimistic estimates only a fraction of the invasion force could have Azart radios. Nor is it clear if Azart works as intended. Developing a reliable and secure system is tricky. The British army experienced compatibility problems and delays with its new Bowman radios in the 2000s, and America wasted billions of dollars on its Joint Tactical Radio System, which was designed to replace a patchwork of different systems with a single one. Parts of the programme were eventually cancelled. Mr Withington is doubtful whether the Russian procurement system is as efficient as its Western counterparts, and corruption is endemic. The Azart project was embroiled in a scandal when supposedly Russian-made components were found to have been imported from China. About a third of the total procurement budget of 18.5bn roubles (around $240m at the time) was allegedly embezzled. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 3:22:04 AM EDT
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More details have emerged regarding the Russian Army’s use of tactical communications in the Ukraine theatre of operations
On 24th March social media video emerged of a Russian R-187P1 Azart handheld radio using the TETRA waveform. The R-187P1 is the army’s new handheld radio for squad/platoon leaders covering a 27 megahertz/MHz to 520MHz waveband. The radio also equips dismounted troops as part of the Russian Army’s Ratnik (Warrior) infantry soldier system. As Armada reported recently deliveries of these new radios across manoeuvre units appear patchy. Some elite formations, like naval infantry and airborne troops do have the radio. Other units are relying on legacy equipment. In some cases dismounted troops seem to be using civilian standard handheld radios. The Trans-European Trunked Radio (TETRA) protocol is used throughout Europe primarily by first responders but also by public transport operators like rail companies. Open sources say that Russia has been using TETRA since 2008. The protocol is used by Russia’s emergency services, civil defence and transport organisations, and some energy utilities. The R-187P1 has the TETRA waveform loaded as standard. In Russia, TETRA communications are known to use a waveband of 410MHz to 430MHz. It may be possible to load TETRA software into some of the Motorola and Baofeng handheld civilian radios observed as being used by Russian dismounted troops in Ukraine. Having TETRA installed in these radios alongside the P-187P1 would give some tactical communications commonality. TETRA does support encryption although this is unlikely to be as robust as the communications and transmission security protocols one finds on a military radio. It appears the Russian Army has experienced problems regarding communications interoperability during ongoing operations in Ukraine. The apparent use of TETRA suggests that attempts are being made to address these problems. However, the extent to which this has been successful remains to be seen. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 11:58:48 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Baofeng was making my hypothetical Azart-ofeng that included DMR, they'd be shipping them by the containerload to Ukraine, or US hams & preppers.   |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:55:57 PM EDT
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TETRA is not a military-grade waveform. It would be funny if that's what their system was based around; it's been thoroughly run through by the enthusiasts.
The harris manpack would probably be the RF-7800M and the HH for the portable. The M isn't Type I CCI capable, and I can't really suggest it. I don't know anything about the HH. I'm not a harris fan, even though I think the 152 is sexy as fuck. The programming software is klunkier than motorola's, they don't seem to be able to keep their mission fills, and their waveform time drift is... noteworthy. Harris has no interest in helping even large federal customers, and their training, as far as I can tell, has disappeared. Good luck getting an account. Motorola makes TETRA native radios, that's what the UK Police were carrying. If they stick with ADP, they don't need a keyloader, it's on a page in the customer programming software. That key won't drop normally, either. IF they adopted the moto ecosphere, they could have over the air programming available; but this situation doesn't look like this is a feasible thing. Spitballing, if I were running this op, I would look really hard at those roip gateways the hams love. They have it down to a science, it would be trivial to make solar-powered throwdown nodes, and once on the gateway, they could talk literally anywhere. |
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Posted: 4/7/2022 11:40:05 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Baofeng was making my hypothetical Azart-ofeng that included DMR, they'd be shipping them by the containerload to Ukraine, or US hams & preppers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cheap Chinese DMR that offers some sort of encryption even the most basic would be better than the RT22 seen by the Russians. If Baofeng was making my hypothetical Azart-ofeng that included DMR, they'd be shipping them by the containerload to Ukraine, or US hams & preppers. FuckinA right. I have been saying for many years that if Icom or one of the other big companies would take the dimensions of the MBITR and make essentially an FT-817 inside with a tiny auto tuner, tune knob where the channel knob is on top and make it waterproof with a large LiIon battery they wouldn't be able to build enough. |
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Posted: 4/8/2022 7:50:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FuckinA right. I have been saying for many years that if Icom or one of the other big companies would take the dimensions of the MBITR and make essentially an FT-817 inside with a tiny auto tuner, tune knob where the channel knob is on top and make it waterproof with a large LiIon battery they wouldn't be able to build enough. Yep I’d buy one. Hell just someone make a QRP rig that is “Mil spec” water proof, dust proof etc.. The lab 599 comes close. But I’d rather have a 100% self contained unit. Also has to be in OD Green. |
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Posted: 4/8/2022 10:14:44 AM EDT
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I started designing a housing a while back for a 1.6 - 440 Super-HT. Never got around to finishing it. The intent was to have a USB port on the right side.
My goal was to shop it to the Chinese, since they'd actually be willing to listen. The FAMRS: Frequency Agile Multi-mode Radio System. Basically I wanted a Xiegu X5105 / Discovery TX-500 with VHF/UHF in an HT-form that took PRC-XXX batteries and accessories. Bonus points if they could get it to do DMR.  Quote HistoryQuoted: FuckinA right. I have been saying for many years that if Icom or one of the other big companies would take the dimensions of the MBITR and make essentially an FT-817 inside with a tiny auto tuner, tune knob where the channel knob is on top and make it waterproof with a large LiIon battery they wouldn't be able to build enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: FuckinA right. I have been saying for many years that if Icom or one of the other big companies would take the dimensions of the MBITR and make essentially an FT-817 inside with a tiny auto tuner, tune knob where the channel knob is on top and make it waterproof with a large LiIon battery they wouldn't be able to build enough. Quoted: Yep I’d buy one. Hell just someone make a QRP rig that is “Mil spec” water proof, dust proof etc.. The lab 599 comes close. But I’d rather have a 100% self contained unit. Also has to be in OD Green. |
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Posted: 4/8/2022 12:05:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Just spitballing here, but combining a Xiegu G1M, and a Baofeng ht in a case with a battery would be a low cost way to get all bands in a lightweight package. I have no idea how to integrate the two, but everyone here is welcome to run with this idea.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 4:49:20 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Appears to be a notable number of DMR radios in use, those are pretty reasonably priced from various chinese manufacturers. The only good use for something like a Harris or MBITR type radio would be to monitor (or access...) milsats or other frequency range that the usual VHF/UHF radios don't cover. Or whatever lowband/midband frequencies, but I think there is a wouxun low band/high band handheld radio. I saw a post on twitter of someone shipping out like 20 DMR radios. They were specifically asking for TYT MD-380, probably already had a program file set up for them. Or they are the cheapest DMR HTs you can get besides Baofengs, which are $5 less at most, per radio. MD-380/390 has a simpler CPS, compared to an Anytone 878 or the Alinco above. Edit, the TYT MD-750 is $25-30 less than the 380, and cheaper than the cheapest Baefeng DMR I could find. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:56:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2022 12:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hmm. Seems sus.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/10/2022 12:34:39 PM EDT
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I thought it was funny that was posted. I kind of doubt they need hams to do their jamming for the war effort.
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Posted: 4/10/2022 3:38:55 PM EDT
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Icom made a 7200 for a while that was a kind of a green looking radio. They discontinued it presumably for low sales. It's always a good question what the prepper, militia, and low end tactical market really is. The world wide milsim operators apparently buy enough TRI/TCA radios to make it worth while, but they don't need encryption or DMR. I guess to put DMR/AES256 in would double the TRI/TCA price and kill the milsim sales.
Maybe someone could make 500 cases that mime the PRC-152, but could take the Anytone 878 or the MD380 boards |
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Posted: 4/11/2022 8:23:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/11/2022 9:09:01 PM EDT
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If all three radios are on at the same time, that would be troublesome to monitor. I've done a VHF WT scanning two active channels and a UHF WT scanning two not so active on a multi-agency SAR ops. But trying to do that while being shot at is a whole different ballgame.
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Posted: 4/11/2022 9:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I started designing a housing a while back for a 1.6 - 440 Super-HT. Never got around to finishing it. The intent was to have a USB port on the right side. My goal was to shop it to the Chinese, since they'd actually be willing to listen. The FAMRS: Frequency Agile Multi-mode Radio System. Basically I wanted a Xiegu X5105 / Discovery TX-500 with VHF/UHF in an HT-form that took PRC-XXX batteries and accessories. Bonus points if they could get it to do DMR. https://i.ibb.co/72PNYss/FAMRS-CONCEPT.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: I started designing a housing a while back for a 1.6 - 440 Super-HT. Never got around to finishing it. The intent was to have a USB port on the right side. My goal was to shop it to the Chinese, since they'd actually be willing to listen. The FAMRS: Frequency Agile Multi-mode Radio System. Basically I wanted a Xiegu X5105 / Discovery TX-500 with VHF/UHF in an HT-form that took PRC-XXX batteries and accessories. Bonus points if they could get it to do DMR. https://i.ibb.co/72PNYss/FAMRS-CONCEPT.jpg Quoted: FuckinA right. I have been saying for many years that if Icom or one of the other big companies would take the dimensions of the MBITR and make essentially an FT-817 inside with a tiny auto tuner, tune knob where the channel knob is on top and make it waterproof with a large LiIon battery they wouldn't be able to build enough. Quoted: Yep I’d buy one. Hell just someone make a QRP rig that is “Mil spec” water proof, dust proof etc.. The lab 599 comes close. But I’d rather have a 100% self contained unit. Also has to be in OD Green. And that's exactly what I'll talking about! Add an FT-5 type of color touch display and you would have an out of the park grand slam. |
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Posted: 4/12/2022 7:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that's exactly what I'll talking about! Add an FT-5 type of color touch display and you would have an out of the park grand slam. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I started designing a housing a while back for a 1.6 - 440 Super-HT. Never got around to finishing it. The intent was to have a USB port on the right side. My goal was to shop it to the Chinese, since they'd actually be willing to listen. The FAMRS: Frequency Agile Multi-mode Radio System. Basically I wanted a Xiegu X5105 / Discovery TX-500 with VHF/UHF in an HT-form that took PRC-XXX batteries and accessories. Bonus points if they could get it to do DMR. https://i.ibb.co/72PNYss/FAMRS-CONCEPT.jpg Quoted: FuckinA right. I have been saying for many years that if Icom or one of the other big companies would take the dimensions of the MBITR and make essentially an FT-817 inside with a tiny auto tuner, tune knob where the channel knob is on top and make it waterproof with a large LiIon battery they wouldn't be able to build enough. Quoted: Yep I’d buy one. Hell just someone make a QRP rig that is “Mil spec” water proof, dust proof etc.. The lab 599 comes close. But I’d rather have a 100% self contained unit. Also has to be in OD Green. And that's exactly what I'll talking about! Add an FT-5 type of color touch display and you would have an out of the park grand slam. I guess it depends on your target market but I'd rather see something like 2x18650 and 2x26650 cell battery packs than some very expensive mil system accessories. Same with the accessory connector, something like the Baofeng waterproof accessory connector with adapters to 2 pin plugs. VHF/UHF SSB opens up interesting options but also needs a higher stability TXCO. General amateur HF is a big change in user interface IMO. What I'd envisioned for the azartofeng would be something like 24~520MHz or 24~960 or something like that. At a technical level I thought about running a pretty good FPGA that would allow numerous modes and be reflashable... and had some interesting concepts for things like FH SSB. If you wanted general HF operation I'd want something like an accessory control panel with a decent VFO knob and the more commonly needed controls. |
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Posted: 4/12/2022 8:15:23 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And that's exactly what I'll talking about! Add an FT-5 type of color touch display and you would have an out of the park grand slam. Quote HistoryQuoted: And that's exactly what I'll talking about! Add an FT-5 type of color touch display and you would have an out of the park grand slam. Very good idea. On a side note, I really, really wish someone could integrate the FLDIGI buffet of Op modes into a truly portable radio. Imagine being able to hit a “mode” button on a handheld, and go from FM Voice to USB firing off data. Shack in a box? I want a shack in my pouch. Quoted: accessory control panel with a decent VFO knob and the more commonly needed controls. Yeah. An additional port on the radio above for a plug in VFO wheel and all the HF controls. Regarding batteries, there are 4 readily available batteries for the PRC-152s; CR123 packs, 18650 packs, Lithium Rechargables and AA packs. Bases. Covered. |
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Posted: 4/12/2022 8:35:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Very good idea. On a side note, I really, really wish someone could integrate the FLDIGI buffet of Op modes into a truly portable radio. Imagine being able to hit a “mode” button on a handheld, and go from FM Voice to USB firing off data. Shack in a box? I want a shack in my pouch. A powerful enough FPGA should be able to do most of the digital modes, just be a matter of power consumption. Maybe the accessory box with the VFO knob etc should have a keyboard and display as well. With a Pi or other SBC onboard it could do a lot of different things. |
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Posted: 4/12/2022 9:41:29 PM EDT
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Solid call on the keyboard integrated into the accessory box. My biggest gripe about ham radio is all the cobbled-together solutions. The fact that Icom has a digital radio released in 2022, and it does NOT have a DTMF keypad is criminal.
Quote HistoryQuoted: A powerful enough FPGA should be able to do most of the digital modes, just be a matter of power consumption. Maybe the accessory box with the VFO knob etc should have a keyboard and display as well. With a Pi or other SBC onboard it could do a lot of different things. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 7:11:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2022 8:48:12 AM EDT
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The guy in the last picture looks like nickmemphis, lol. Just add glasses.
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