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Originally Posted By Mach:
It is a cheap CIF camera analog 16 channel system. Nothing fancy. I didn't buy it to ID faces or plates, more of a situational awareness system and to be able to check on the house when I am not home. I like being able to view the cameras on an Ipod and Ipad. I don't have the other cameras installed yet, still figuring out where I will put them *nodding* As long as it's working for you, that's what matters. 
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GrayMan,
Thank you for all you've done. I've been running a Nvr( NUUO IP)and 4 Vivotek 8361's for over a year now. It's amazing the the things you learn about when no one thinks your home. I was wondering if you could address sending multiple or single monitor feeds to various locations throughout a house to televisions, etc. what exactly would one need from StarTech or other companies. Also could you cover remotely turning on/off sensors if at all possible? Thanks again for helping me to give my family another layer in the onion, F |
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Originally Posted By firstelc:
GrayMan, Thank you for all you've done. I've been running a Nvr( NUUO IP)and 4 Vivotek 8361's for over a year now. It's amazing the the things you learn about when no one thinks your home. I was wondering if you could address sending multiple or single monitor feeds to various locations throughout a house to televisions, etc. what exactly would one need from StarTech or other companies. Also could you cover remotely turning on/off sensors if at all possible? Thanks again for helping me to give my family another layer in the onion, F Sure. There are a couple of ways to do that. For the last few years, I've been using the Startech video extenders. I have one of these at the head end (in the same rack as the main video server), and several of these in various rooms in the house. They require a run of Cat5 cable to carry the signal to each remote TV. They're real-time duplicates of the Video Server output in my safe-room. But honestly? I'm using them less and less. What I've been using instead is a piece of software called "IP Cam Viewer." It's available for IOS and Android, and allows me to get the video feeds directly from my cameras, and display them on my Android tablet, phone, or my wife's Ipad. I have several wireless access points in the house, and they enable me to get those camera feeds to any mobile device with that software. In the event of an intrusion or disturbance, either my wife or myself grabs the Ipad/Android tablet, punches up the video feeds on IP Cam Viewer, and sees what's really going on. The advantage is that it's portable. We can move through the house as a team, while seeing what's happening and where... one navigates and keeps tabs on the intruder/disturbance with the wireless device, while the other covers/moves. It's the ultimate in portable/real-time intel. As for turning sensors off-and-on, I'm not sure what you're attempting to do there... can you provide a few more details? |
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Thanks again,
Nuuo iviewer, on iPads and iPhones, allows cameras to remotely enable digital outputs. I'm very much a novice at this and was curious if this ties into your external sensor post. This possibility would allow one to turn off selected sensors when another family member arrives home, thus stopping constant alerts being sent to devices when not needed. |
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Originally Posted By firstelc:
Thanks again, Nuuo iviewer, on iPads and iPhones, allows cameras to remotely enable digital outputs. I'm very much a novice at this and was curious if this ties into your external sensor post. This possibility would allow one to turn off selected sensors when another family member arrives home, thus stopping constant alerts being sent to devices when not needed. Interesting. OK... If you wanted, you could wire one of those digital outputs into a relay. You could use that relay to power up/down your remaining sensors. For instance, if you were using PIRs in the house, and you were powering them from a common 12vDC power supply, you could use the digital output from a single camera to trigger a relay. That relay, once triggered, would cut power to that common power supply, disabling the remainder of your sensors. Picture it like this: You have a camera in the garage. Your wife arrives home, and pulls into the garage. The motion of her car pulling into her space triggers the digital output from that camera (or you could use a contact switch on the garage door). The digital output triggers the relay that controlls power to the 12v PSU that's powering all your internal PIRs. Make sense? Alternatively, if you wanted manual control, you could use one of these (Manufacturers link here) to power up/down your sensor array. I use one of those in one of the installations I did... it's connected to the main PoE switch, and whenever a camera goes haywire or quits working (happens 1-2x per year), I can remotely reboot the entire system with a single click on my Droid phone. Those Dataprobe iBoot thingamajigs are HIGHLY recommended... particularly if you're likely to regularly be away from the physical location. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By firstelc:
Thanks again, Nuuo iviewer, on iPads and iPhones, allows cameras to remotely enable digital outputs. I'm very much a novice at this and was curious if this ties into your external sensor post. This possibility would allow one to turn off selected sensors when another family member arrives home, thus stopping constant alerts being sent to devices when not needed. Interesting. OK... If you wanted, you could wire one of those digital outputs into a relay. You could use that relay to power up/down your remaining sensors. For instance, if you were using PIRs in the house, and you were powering them from a common 12vDC power supply, you could use the digital output from a single camera to trigger a relay. That relay, once triggered, would cut power to that common power supply, disabling the remainder of your sensors. Picture it like this: You have a camera in the garage. Your wife arrives home, and pulls into the garage. The motion of her car pulling into her space triggers the digital output from that camera (or you could use a contact switch on the garage door). The digital output triggers the relay that controlls power to the 12v PSU that's powering all your internal PIRs. Make sense? Alternatively, if you wanted manual control, you could use one of these (Manufacturers link here) to power up/down your sensor array. I use one of those in one of the installations I did... it's connected to the main PoE switch, and whenever a camera goes haywire or quits working (happens 1-2x per year), I can remotely reboot the entire system with a single click on my Droid phone. Those Dataprobe iBoot thingamajigs are HIGHLY recommended... particularly if you're likely to regularly be away from the physical location. G-M, it might be a better plan to interrupt the output signaling circuit of the sensors, with a relay, rather than turn their power on and off and possibly create an uncertain condition when they power back up. |
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
G-M, it might be a better plan to interrupt the output signaling circuit of the sensors, with a relay, rather than turn their power on and off and possibly create an uncertain condition when they power back up. But I'm not sure how you'd do that with multiple sensors at once, unless you had a relay that would switch multiple outputs from a single input. Maybe somebody makes such a beast... but I've never seen one. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
G-M, it might be a better plan to interrupt the output signaling circuit of the sensors, with a relay, rather than turn their power on and off and possibly create an uncertain condition when they power back up. But I'm not sure how you'd do that with multiple sensors at once, unless you had a relay that would switch multiple outputs from a single input. Maybe somebody makes such a beast... but I've never seen one. Use a 12 vdc relay that has, say, 4 poles, IIRC R-S has one. Each pole could shunt across a sensor alarm contact [usually the sensors are wired in series in a home security system]. Tons of inexpensive relays on ebay, Digikey, or Mouser. Let yout imagination run amuck! 
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Use a 12 vdc relay that has, say, 4 poles, IIRC R-S has one. Each pole could shunt across a sensor alarm contact [usually the sensors are wired in series in a home security system]. Tons of inexpensive relays on ebay, Digikey, or Mouser. Let yout imagination run amuck!
All of my external PIRs, reeds, and other sensors are slaved to individual cameras (the actual home alarm proper has its own sensors, which are wired and powered separately). |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Use a 12 vdc relay that has, say, 4 poles, IIRC R-S has one. Each pole could shunt across a sensor alarm contact [usually the sensors are wired in series in a home security system]. Tons of inexpensive relays on ebay, Digikey, or Mouser. Let yout imagination run amuck!
All of my external PIRs, reeds, and other sensors are slaved to individual cameras (the actual home alarm proper has its own sensors, which are wired and powered separately). Yes, most all systems will be different in their creativeness and complexity. Just explain what you want to do with details of the respective sensors and I'll try to help. |
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Originally Posted By Blackoperations:
this thread is great! anyone on here backup there DVR system(s) with a time lapse VCR? Thought it could be a nice backup....i dunno, been drinking.  Uhh... that's 20-year-old stop-n-rob technology. I back up to local storage, NVR, and email/FTP off-site.
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan: Originally Posted By Blackoperations: this thread is great! anyone on here backup there DVR system(s) with a time lapse VCR? Thought it could be a nice backup....i dunno, been drinking. Uhh... that's 20-year-old stop-n-rob technology. I back up to local storage, NVR, and email/FTP off-site. Yea most of the gas stations on my beat have corporate storage in a central location. |
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By Blackoperations:
this thread is great! anyone on here backup there DVR system(s) with a time lapse VCR? Thought it could be a nice backup....i dunno, been drinking. Uhh... that's 20-year-old stop-n-rob technology. I back up to local storage, NVR, and email/FTP off-site.
Yea most of the gas stations on my beat have corporate storage in a central location. Also prevents any armed robber/Joe-sh*t-the-rag-man from making off with the video of their crime. |
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Any thoughts on what a good entry level outdoor camera is? I can go wired or wireless and only plan on running one camera.
Seems hard to find anything that looks decent for under $500. I'm considering trying to build up some kind of anti-rain box and just putting one of the less expensive indoor cameras in it. Anyone done this and had it survive outdoors for a good while? |
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Any thoughts on what a good entry level outdoor camera is? I can go wired or wireless and only plan on running one camera. Seems hard to find anything that looks decent for under $500. I'm considering trying to build up some kind of anti-rain box and just putting one of the less expensive indoor cameras in it. Anyone done this and had it survive outdoors for a good while? How exposed is the location? |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Any thoughts on what a good entry level outdoor camera is? I can go wired or wireless and only plan on running one camera. Seems hard to find anything that looks decent for under $500. I'm considering trying to build up some kind of anti-rain box and just putting one of the less expensive indoor cameras in it. Anyone done this and had it survive outdoors for a good while? How exposed is the location? It's pretty protected actually. The back door has a little covered porch type inlet that goes in about four feet. I was thinking I'd mount it on the wall at the back of that. |
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Any thoughts on what a good entry level outdoor camera is? I can go wired or wireless and only plan on running one camera. Seems hard to find anything that looks decent for under $500. I'm considering trying to build up some kind of anti-rain box and just putting one of the less expensive indoor cameras in it. Anyone done this and had it survive outdoors for a good while? How exposed is the location? It's pretty protected actually. The back door has a little covered porch type inlet that goes in about four feet. I was thinking I'd mount it on the wall at the back of that. Is the back porch decently lit, or can you put a motion-activated light back there? If it has enough light you could put something like this back there. It's a mini-dome, and is very discrete. It's also weather-sealed... but it needs light. It doesn't have IR (and can't see IR), and in total darkness will be completely blind. ETA: it also lacks inputs for external sensors... so you'd be stuck with video motion detection. |
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Any thoughts on what a good entry level outdoor camera is? I can go wired or wireless and only plan on running one camera. Seems hard to find anything that looks decent for under $500. I'm considering trying to build up some kind of anti-rain box and just putting one of the less expensive indoor cameras in it. Anyone done this and had it survive outdoors for a good while? I'd go wireless if a separate bldg to avoid the potential for lightning strike [or EMP] coupling and potential extreme damage to equipment.
I'm gunshy of putting a cam on a container 50 feet away from another and linking with Cat 5 and a power source for this reason. I won't do it. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Any thoughts on what a good entry level outdoor camera is? I can go wired or wireless and only plan on running one camera. Seems hard to find anything that looks decent for under $500. I'm considering trying to build up some kind of anti-rain box and just putting one of the less expensive indoor cameras in it. Anyone done this and had it survive outdoors for a good while? How exposed is the location? It's pretty protected actually. The back door has a little covered porch type inlet that goes in about four feet. I was thinking I'd mount it on the wall at the back of that. Is the back porch decently lit, or can you put a motion-activated light back there? If it has enough light you could put something like this back there. It's a mini-dome, and is very discrete. It's also weather-sealed... but it needs light. It doesn't have IR (and can't see IR), and in total darkness will be completely blind. ETA: it also lacks inputs for external sensors... so you'd be stuck with video motion detection. Thanks man, that looks perfect. I checked some sample vids on youtube and they look good too. The location is really well let. I have a couple of lights that are on all the time at night and then there are also a few big motion activated flood lights that will kick in if something is moving. Is the support from acti pretty good on these? I see I could get that used one for $230 or a new one with warranty for about $270 on amazon. On the garage camera I am going to get a wireless cam eventually, but need to wait until funds are up. For now I'm just going to start with the back door camera. |
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Any thoughts on what a good entry level outdoor camera is? I can go wired or wireless and only plan on running one camera. Seems hard to find anything that looks decent for under $500. I'm considering trying to build up some kind of anti-rain box and just putting one of the less expensive indoor cameras in it. Anyone done this and had it survive outdoors for a good while? How exposed is the location? It's pretty protected actually. The back door has a little covered porch type inlet that goes in about four feet. I was thinking I'd mount it on the wall at the back of that. Is the back porch decently lit, or can you put a motion-activated light back there? If it has enough light you could put something like this back there. It's a mini-dome, and is very discrete. It's also weather-sealed... but it needs light. It doesn't have IR (and can't see IR), and in total darkness will be completely blind. ETA: it also lacks inputs for external sensors... so you'd be stuck with video motion detection. Thanks man, that looks perfect. I checked some sample vids on youtube and they look good too. The location is really well let. I have a couple of lights that are on all the time at night and then there are also a few big motion activated flood lights that will kick in if something is moving. Is the support from acti pretty good on these? I see I could get that used one for $230 or a new one with warranty for about $270 on amazon. On the garage camera I am going to get a wireless cam eventually, but need to wait until funds are up. For now I'm just going to start with the back door camera. Has been for me. I've only had one that went haywire. I sent an email to Acti with the serial #, receipt for purchase, etc, and they sent me an RMA number. I returned it to them, and they replaced the guts under warranty. No fuss, no mess. |
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A couple of questions on that camera before I hit submit on my order:
My current network setup is just a cable modem -> DD-WRT router -> my imac. I'm thinking I need the following in order to get this camera up and going: 1. enough ethernet cable to reach my location 2. a PoE injector to power the camera 3. some kind of software to manage the camera ... on that, it looks like the camera's config runs in internet explorer only, so I'll have to use ie running on my windows virtual machine to set it up. As far as software goes, any suggestions for an osx friendly solution? This looks interesting: http://www.bensoftware.com/securityspy/help.php and that particular camera is supported. Price isn't too bad at $50 for one camera $125 for 2-4. Not sure I'd ever get to four but definitely two someday. A review of that software: http://keithbowmanblog.com/2011/04/security-spy/ |
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
A couple of questions on that camera before I hit submit on my order: My current network setup is just a cable modem -> DD-WRT router -> my imac. I'm thinking I need the following in order to get this camera up and going: 1. enough ethernet cable to reach my location 2. a PoE injector to power the camera 3. some kind of software to manage the camera ... on that, it looks like the camera's config runs in internet explorer only, so I'll have to use ie running on my windows virtual machine to set it up. As far as software goes, any suggestions for an osx friendly solution? This looks interesting: http://www.bensoftware.com/securityspy/help.php and that particular camera is supported. Price isn't too bad at $50 for one camera $125 for 2-4. Not sure I'd ever get to four but definitely two someday. A review of that software: http://keithbowmanblog.com/2011/04/security-spy/ You're correct on what you need. I can't give you an opinion on any of the Mac software. I use primarily PC and Linux. |
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Originally Posted By Ryo:
Ever thought of putting a thread together on the different cameras, motion sensors, power supplies, etc that you've used and rate them? 
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Is low frame rate pretty common on security cameras? I notice the acti cam we were discussing above does 8 fps at it's highest resolution. It seems like that should work out just fine though. Hard for someone to move through the camera fram in 1/8th of a second. 8-10 FPS is perfectly adequate for most home security applications. As an aside, cameras will often offer a higher frame-rate, but at a lower resolution. For instance, 8-10 FPS is typical for quite a few of the Acti cams on their highest resolutions (some go higher/faster), but if you drop the resolution, you can increase the frame-rate. Some applications require faster frame-rates... like license-plate capture of moving vehicles. You'll also see higher FPS in casino cameras, where they may be trying to catch sleight-of-hand, or people palming cards. I've seen retail POS cameras use higher-frame rates as well. A higher frame-rate at the register will sometimes be needed to catch till-tappers, and other sleight-of-hand thieves. |
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Well, I got the acti acm 3701 today.
I may have to do some fabrication here to mount it. I should have read the documentation online first, but I didn't realize it required a big (30mm) hole in the wall to run the cable through. Not a problem for a permanent place, but I'm on a rental with stucco walls for now. I was ok with a couple of anchor screws in the wall and was going to run the cable up the wall in a piece of conduit. A 30mm hole I can't do. So I may have to whip together a small metal or wood box, mount the camera to that, and mount that to the wall. I lose the vandal resistance but that's ok for now. Once I buy a place I'll mount it permanently. |
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
Well, I got the acti acm 3701 today. I may have to do some fabrication here to mount it. I should have read the documentation online first, but I didn't realize it required a big (30mm) hole in the wall to run the cable through. Not a problem for a permanent place, but I'm on a rental with stucco walls for now. I was ok with a couple of anchor screws in the wall and was going to run the cable up the wall in a piece of conduit. A 30mm hole I can't do. So I may have to whip together a small metal or wood box, mount the camera to that, and mount that to the wall. I lose the vandal resistance but that's ok for now. Once I buy a place I'll mount it permanently. You could get an electrical junction box, and mount it to that. It should have ready-made cutouts for conduit. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By Ryo:
Ever thought of putting a thread together on the different cameras, motion sensors, power supplies, etc that you've used and rate them? Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I mean is that since you used/installed so many different products, I'm sure you've built a opinion on them for the different applications. There's a lot of choices on the market right now and it's difficult to say which is better than the other. I look up ACTi and I see so many different cameras.. and since you probably handled a a few of them, you can probably give insight which ones not to touch and which ones are good to go. Specs show one thing, but your experience using them really shines in comparison. For example you mentioned that a lot of cameras say they have SD capability.. but they don't support it. I go to the manufacturer's website and I see it supports it, but wouldn't be able to tell that they really haven't enabled the function yet. |
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Originally Posted By WhatYouWant: Oh yea, there are a few really good ones on the market.Anyone know of a camera with all of these? This would provide the easiest camera for a few locations. - PoE - IR Led - Outdoor - Dome - Vandal Resistant Thanks! I'm going to let TGM respond, because he is the expert. |
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By WhatYouWant:
Oh yea, there are a few really good ones on the market.
Anyone know of a camera with all of these? This would provide the easiest camera for a few locations. - PoE - IR Led - Outdoor - Dome - Vandal Resistant Thanks! I'm going to let TGM respond, because he is the expert. VIVOTEK 8341 |
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Originally Posted By SaltyDog:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By WhatYouWant:
Oh yea, there are a few really good ones on the market.
Anyone know of a camera with all of these? This would provide the easiest camera for a few locations. - PoE - IR Led - Outdoor - Dome - Vandal Resistant Thanks! I'm going to let TGM respond, because he is the expert. VIVOTEK 8341 +1 Vivotek has a bunch of models that could fill that bill... and often at a slightly better price-point than Acti (Acti has gone away from the integrated IR LEDs in their latest outdoor domes) |
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Originally Posted By Ryo:
Hooe nothing was stolen from that guy. That's one where they probably should have had it professionally done (the place certainly had the financial means to get it done right). I can't think that an experienced installer would have done that... or used a cheapo Radio Shack indoor bullet cam for that location 
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Looking at doing a complete PC based system using IP cameras. Below is a list of parts I am considering. I just need to know if everyone thinks this will work. I will be starting out with 2 or 3 cameras, but want the ability to add more. This is a cross post from the Safes & Security forum, but I am hoping it will get more traffic here.
PC w/monitor: Nice that it comes with monitor. Can I use any regular desktop and upgrade the parts? Hard drive (2TB): Typical 2TB Seagate Hard drive Heat Sink for HD: This was recommend in the other thread on building a PC. Gigabit Ethernet for PC: Not sure if others will work, may be cheaper options. If there is a specific one that works well let me know. 8 Port POE Switch This is the Netgear one with 8 POE and 8 regular. I really only need the 8 POE, but have not found POE only ones. ACTi IP Camera Haven't really picked a camera. It will be outside, in Texas heat and humidity. Will be adding 2 indoor cameras down the road, but want to start outside first. Luxriot Software: This seems like the best software out there for my needs, may be other options for less. UPS Backup (have not looked too much into these yet) Any suggestions? Box of Cat 6 cable, associated connectors, and tools (have most but need glow rods) |
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Originally Posted By jake-cutter:
Looking at doing a complete PC based system using IP cameras. Below is a list of parts I am considering. I just need to know if everyone thinks this will work. I will be starting out with 2 or 3 cameras, but want the ability to add more. This is a cross post from the Safes & Security forum, but I am hoping it will get more traffic here. PC w/monitor: Nice that it comes with monitor. Can I use any regular desktop and upgrade the parts? Hard drive (2TB): Typical 2TB Seagate Hard drive Heat Sink for HD: This was recommend in the other thread on building a PC. Gigabit Ethernet for PC: Not sure if others will work, may be cheaper options. If there is a specific one that works well let me know. 8 Port POE Switch This is the Netgear one with 8 POE and 8 regular. I really only need the 8 POE, but have not found POE only ones. ACTi IP Camera Haven't really picked a camera. It will be outside, in Texas heat and humidity. Will be adding 2 indoor cameras down the road, but want to start outside first. Luxriot Software: This seems like the best software out there for my needs, may be other options for less. UPS Backup (have not looked too much into these yet) Any suggestions? Box of Cat 6 cable, associated connectors, and tools (have most but need glow rods) A couple of suggestions. Consider getting one of the Intel PRO/1000 network cards. I don't know about the Broadcom one you chose, but I know the Intel cards are good. If you're going to spend 600 bones on an Acti camera, consider getting one of the KCM-7111 models. They're about the same price, and they're three times the resolution (4MP compared to 1.3MP). The only thing they lack is WDR. If you want a decent Acti camera at a lower price, consider picking up a used ACM-7411 like this one. It's 1.3MP, and it's half the price of the TCM you listed (like the KCM-7111, it also lacks WDR). |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
A couple of suggestions. Consider getting one of the Intel PRO/1000 network cards. I don't know about the Broadcom one you chose, but I know the Intel cards are good. If you're going to spend 600 bones on an Acti camera, consider getting one of the KCM-7111 models. They're about the same price, and they're three times the resolution (4MP compared to 1.3MP). The only thing they lack is WDR. If you want a decent Acti camera at a lower price, consider picking up a used ACM-7411 like this one. It's 1.3MP, and it's half the price of the TCM you listed (like the KCM-7111, it also lacks WDR). Thanks for the suggestions. What about the POE switch? I have read about Trendnet, but did not see any 8 port models for around the same price at the netgear. |
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Originally Posted By jake-cutter:
Looking at doing a complete PC based system using IP cameras. Below is a list of parts I am considering. I just need to know if everyone thinks this will work. I will be starting out with 2 or 3 cameras, but want the ability to add more. This is a cross post from the Safes & Security forum, but I am hoping it will get more traffic here. PC w/monitor: Nice that it comes with monitor. Can I use any regular desktop and upgrade the parts? Hard drive (2TB): Typical 2TB Seagate Hard drive Heat Sink for HD: This was recommend in the other thread on building a PC. Gigabit Ethernet for PC: Not sure if others will work, may be cheaper options. If there is a specific one that works well let me know. 8 Port POE Switch This is the Netgear one with 8 POE and 8 regular. I really only need the 8 POE, but have not found POE only ones. ACTi IP Camera Haven't really picked a camera. It will be outside, in Texas heat and humidity. Will be adding 2 indoor cameras down the road, but want to start outside first. Luxriot Software: This seems like the best software out there for my needs, may be other options for less. UPS Backup (have not looked too much into these yet) Any suggestions? Box of Cat 6 cable, associated connectors, and tools (have most but need glow rods) For the hard drive I would also look at Western Digital. I've had issues with a Seagate drive in the past failing on me. Seagate's RMA process was good though. They gave me a bigger hard drive since they didn't have the hard drive in stock. Always look at the reviews of the hard drive your buying so you can get a idea if it's a good one or not. UPS backup power, I like APC. Never had any troubles with their stuff at home and at work. Now for having a UPS backup for camera's' i wouldn't know.. |
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Originally Posted By Ryo:
Originally Posted By jake-cutter:
Looking at doing a complete PC based system using IP cameras. Below is a list of parts I am considering. I just need to know if everyone thinks this will work. I will be starting out with 2 or 3 cameras, but want the ability to add more. This is a cross post from the Safes & Security forum, but I am hoping it will get more traffic here. PC w/monitor: Nice that it comes with monitor. Can I use any regular desktop and upgrade the parts? Hard drive (2TB): Typical 2TB Seagate Hard drive Heat Sink for HD: This was recommend in the other thread on building a PC. Gigabit Ethernet for PC: Not sure if others will work, may be cheaper options. If there is a specific one that works well let me know. 8 Port POE Switch This is the Netgear one with 8 POE and 8 regular. I really only need the 8 POE, but have not found POE only ones. ACTi IP Camera Haven't really picked a camera. It will be outside, in Texas heat and humidity. Will be adding 2 indoor cameras down the road, but want to start outside first. Luxriot Software: This seems like the best software out there for my needs, may be other options for less. UPS Backup (have not looked too much into these yet) Any suggestions? Box of Cat 6 cable, associated connectors, and tools (have most but need glow rods) For the hard drive I would also look at Western Digital. I've had issues with a Seagate drive in the past failing on me. Seagate's RMA process was good though. They gave me a bigger hard drive since they didn't have the hard drive in stock. Always look at the reviews of the hard drive your buying so you can get a idea if it's a good one or not. UPS backup power, I like APC. Never had any troubles with their stuff at home and at work. Now for having a UPS backup for camera's' i wouldn't know.. As long as the PoE switch is on backup power, it will continue to run the cameras in the event of a power failure. For instance, the black device in the bottom of my rack? The one labelled Cyberpower? That's a rackmount UPS that holds up the network (modem, firewall, pbx, NVR, and network switch) until the on-site backup generator can start up, and take the load. Everything keeps running, and you'd never know anything happened. 
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How long will a typical UPS run once the power is out?
Also, what about adding a 2TB hard drive in addition to the factory one? Or is it better to replace the original one and have just one? The compute I have has expansion slots so I would easily be able to add one. |
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Originally Posted By jake-cutter:
How long will a typical UPS run once the power is out? Also, what about adding a 2TB hard drive in addition to the factory one? Or is it better to replace the original one and have just one? The compute I have has expansion slots so I would easily be able to add one. Almost always better to have your images stored on a second drive. That way, if it totally fills up the secondary drive, it won't lock up your system. And a UPS will hold up your systems as long as it has power... that's strictly determined by its battery capacity, and how many watts your setup pulls. My entire rack is only 25% of the potential load capacity of that UPS... and it only has to hold up that load until the genset spins up... which is a max of 30 seconds. In other words, I overbuilt it... but I'm a die-hard believer in overkill. |
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Ok, I got the computer part taken care of (all the parts will be in next week), now all that is left is to make a decision on the POE Switch, Cameras, and buy the Luxriot software.
Next up I will be purchasing the POE switch. For the POE switch, I have decided to start with a 4 port POE while I am learning this new hobby. When I need to upgrade to more than 4 cameras, I will just move the system to our families second home and upgrade the primary home to a 16 port. I am considering the following 4 port POE switches: Ist is the TRENDnet TPE-S44 which is the cheapest at $62 2nd is the Netgear FS108P for $115 3rd is the Netgear GS108P which is faster and has more power than the previous two but costs $134. Which one would you go with? |
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Originally Posted By jake-cutter:
Ok, I got the computer part taken care of (all the parts will be in next week), now all that is left is to make a decision on the POE Switch, Cameras, and buy the Luxriot software. Next up I will be purchasing the POE switch. For the POE switch, I have decided to start with a 4 port POE while I am learning this new hobby. When I need to upgrade to more than 4 cameras, I will just move the system to our families second home and upgrade the primary home to a 16 port. I am considering the following 4 port POE switches: Ist is the TRENDnet TPE-S44 which is the cheapest at $62 2nd is the Netgear FS108P for $115 3rd is the Netgear GS108P which is faster and has more power than the previous two but costs $134. Which one would you go with? The Trendnet is a good value, and GTG. Everything else I have is rackmounted, and at a very different price point. |
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-Christopher Hitchens to Ron Reagan Jr. on the topic of terrorism-
-Christopher Hitchens to Ron Reagan Jr. on the topic of terrorism-