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Posted: 12/12/2022 11:23:44 AM EDT
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Shooting 16 inch plates at 1,000 yards off sticks.
223 Ackley and 80gn Sierras. Once I use up these 80s I am going to switch over to Berger 85.5s. 
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Posted: 12/12/2022 5:30:51 PM EDT
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A kid a few years ago won the milk jug challenge with a .223.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2022 9:44:43 PM EDT
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223 bolt guns are fun, low recoil and very accurate.
Unfortunately none of the big manufacturers made the perfect Tactical version and Savage was about the only 1:7 but it was more of a F class rifle. Remington was close with SPS Tactical but stuck it with 1:9 .Maybe Bergara will step up with a B14 short action Tactical with 1:7 or 1:8 twist. |
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Posted: 12/13/2022 9:47:14 PM EDT
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No reason to wait on a maybe or hope for one. Build it and it will come.
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Posted: 12/13/2022 11:04:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tangeant: 223 bolt guns are fun, low recoil and very accurate. Unfortunately none of the big manufacturers made the perfect Tactical version and Savage was about the only 1:7 but it was more of a F class rifle. Remington was close with SPS Tactical but stuck it with 1:9 .Maybe Bergara will step up with a B14 short action Tactical with 1:7 or 1:8 twist. Tikka did 1:8 which is going to work with 99% of what most people shoot. Savage did at least two with the 1:7 because they also did the low profile varminter (I think that's right). They definitely should have used that twist on a 12FV or similar. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:57:51 AM EDT
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My Howa in .223 is a 1:8.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 10:15:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: No reason to wait on a maybe or hope for one. Build it and it will come. Most people are too scared to search for a gunsmith to do the work. And don’t realize that they can buy the parts and do it like a layaway program. They want the instant gratification or the ease of being able to screw on a new stock. The other part is they have heard gunshop horror stories about custom rifles being worth way less than stock rifles. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 10:33:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD: Most people are too scared to search for a gunsmith to do the work. And don’t realize that they can buy the parts and do it like a layaway program. They want the instant gratification or the ease of being able to screw on a new stock. The other part is they have heard gunshop horror stories about custom rifles being worth way less than stock rifles. But the other part people forget or don't realize is you don't need a smith to put it together. Buy an Origin, a shouldered prefit, a trigger and a stock/chassis and put it together at home with an action wrench and barrel vice(about $150 for both). Done. |
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FM, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 10:59:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Demise? LOL I hardly think the .223 is in that tough a situation. Just because factory rifle offerings aren't great doesn't mean it's dead or even dying. I know a lot of people who shoot the .223 in matches and for trainers including myself. I have shot mine to 1150 yards in matches. With the 75 ELDs it's not hard. It does great well past 600. I only shoot the 75 to stay in Tac but if you shot 88s in it the .223 is very close to the 6mm offerings popular in matches now. I have a friend who shoots .223 with 88s in open against 6mms and does really well. If someone is wanting to get into a .223 then you can put one together with a Bighorn Origin, shouldered prefit, trigger and stock/chassis of choice and get it just like they want it. Will be more than a factory offering but also will be better and the savings in shooting the .223 will add up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19859/IMG_2713_2_-2622108.jpg Nice, and agree 100%. I did the same with a nucleus, mpa, and deep south tac prefit. 75eldm with h4895 will get to 3000fps with pushing them hard in a 24" barrel, feels like a pellet gun recoil wise, and groups in the .2s easy enough. Have shot to 1k and that load does better than most 308 loads in the wind, and still supersonic to 1200 in my low altitude and cold weather. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:00:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: But the other part people forget or don't realize is you don't need a smith to put it together. Buy an Origin, a shouldered prefit, a trigger and a stock/chassis and put it together at home with an action wrench and barrel vice(about $150 for both). Done. Do you still use go and no go gauges? |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 7:46:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD: Do you still use go and no go gauges? Some do to check but I don't with a shouldered prefit. |
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Posted: 12/16/2022 7:41:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Easy_E]
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A friend is selling his RPR in 556 to build a remington bolt gun in 223. We use the 223's to practice on the cheap or while we wait for our big bore rifles to cool .
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Posted: 12/16/2022 7:57:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easy_E: A friend is selling his RPR in 556 to build a remington bolt gun in 223. We use the 223's to practice on the cheap or while we wait for our big bore rifles to cool . Why is he selling the RPR? |
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Posted: 12/16/2022 8:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Why is he selling the RPR? He wants a gun in the same chassis as his 6mm Creedmoor . If someone's looking I know where ones for sale ! |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2022 2:46:23 AM EDT
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Handled a new Franchi Varmint rifle in 223, was pretty nice but don't really need the barrel to be 24" long on a 223. Also threaded for 5/8x24 which is workable but not ideal. And then they went with 1/9 twist. Isn't 1/8 the agreed ideal twist?
But savage goes 1/7 and then many others go too short at 16". Really hard to find an ideal one. I see old stock Remington 700 with bull barrels on gunbroker, maybe just buy one of those and have it threaded. Cut down to 22" at most. |
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Posted: 12/17/2022 3:14:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Quake_Guy: Handled a new Franchi Varmint rifle in 223, was pretty nice but don't really need the barrel to be 24" long on a 223. Also threaded for 5/8x24 which is workable but not ideal. And then they went with 1/9 twist. Isn't 1/8 the agreed ideal twist? But savage goes 1/7 and then many others go too short at 16". Really hard to find an ideal one. I see old stock Remington 700 with bull barrels on gunbroker, maybe just buy one of those and have it threaded. Cut down to 22" at most. The Remington's had 1:12 usually so I don't think they'd do what you want. Buy a Tikka and cut the barrel to whatever length you want would be my suggestion. Or if you want to stay in the budget Ruger does a 16" and 22" Americans in 223. Think they are both 1:8 now. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2022 5:00:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmcchet9296: Yeah it's hard to find a tactical style bolt gun in .223/5.56 so I made mine, a M40 clone. Not tactical by todays standard but a cool retro tacticool https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52234932738_c699bdf3af_k.jpgIMG_0667 by John Hermesmeyer, on Flickr I onder if Berga makes a .223 model. It shares the same footprint as a Remington but without the crappy QC. That thing is sex. Is that a 700 police with the oem police stock? |
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Posted: 12/17/2022 7:30:07 PM EDT
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I had 2 different CZ 527’s and used them for prairie dogs.
Loved those rifles, but my AR’s shot just as well and I didn’t have to reload every 5 shots. For shooting steel past 300 I prefer larger calibers that actually make the targets move. YMMV |
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Posted: 12/18/2022 4:20:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hoser: Shooting 16 inch plates at 1,000 yards off sticks. 223 Ackley and 80gn Sierras. Once I use up these 80s I am going to switch over to Berger 85.5s. https://i.imgur.com/cfb3C4X.jpg This is the next step for us ! We've been to 1050 with varget and 77 grain sierras in a standard 223 just would like something that fights the wind a little more. |
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Posted: 12/19/2022 12:31:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Some do to check but I don't with a shouldered prefit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By sparkyD: Do you still use go and no go gauges? Some do to check but I don't with a shouldered prefit. Cheap insurance so I use them, but have never had a problem. Buy a go guage and then place a piece of blue painters tape on the back as your nogo. |
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Posted: 12/19/2022 10:47:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Some do to check but I don't with a shouldered prefit. Do you write down your shoulder datum to record your case stretch? I assume you neck size only for this rifle or do minimal bump back. |
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Posted: 12/19/2022 1:15:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD: Do you write down your shoulder datum to record your case stretch? I assume you neck size only for this rifle or do minimal bump back. Nope don’t record anything. I will measure and adjust due. I use a FL bushing due to size brass. I bump shoulders about .001-.002 max. |
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Posted: 12/19/2022 1:16:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: Cheap insurance so I use them, but have never had a problem. Buy a go guage and then place a piece of blue painters tape on the back as your nogo. I trust my smith so just run what he sends. Never an issue. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 12:04:43 PM EDT
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A couple years ago, as Dicks was getting out of firearms, I bought a Savage short action, heavy barrel, combo (scope included). The scope is mediocre, the stock is mediocre, but damn if it isn't one heckuva shooter. My teenage son seriously prefers shooting it to the AR. But he really prefers his 10/22 that we built together on the coffee table from a Boyd's stock, shaw barrel, a few small parts, and a factory-new 10/22 that saw many of its parts go into a garage in the box.
The .223 bolt gun is a super versatile gun, especially for folks who largely find themselves shooting at paper on static ranges. Cheaper to feed than the bigger calibers, but if you are shooting at 200 yards and in, it makes a ton of sense. Our savage will eventually see some new parts, but the variety of actions/magazines out there that Savage has produced make matching aftermarket parts hard. That is one reason I kind of hesitate. The next one will be a bit more built from the factory. -shooter |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/23/2022 4:02:00 PM EDT
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I was searching for a Tikka CTR .223 but now that Seekins is offering the Hit in .223 I think I will go that route. Maybe grab a 6mm barrel and bolt while I'm at it.
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Posted: 12/25/2022 1:29:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: . I trust my smith so just run what he sends. Never an issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By mc556: Cheap insurance so I use them, but have never had a problem. Buy a go guage and then place a piece of blue painters tape on the back as your nogo. I trust my smith so just run what he sends. Never an issue. I never found a local smith I’d trust. I don’t like long waits and shipping rifles so do it myself is my only option. I enjoy the hobby. Trust but verify. |
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Posted: 12/25/2022 2:15:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: I never found a local smith I’d trust. I don’t like long waits and shipping rifles so do it myself is my only option. I enjoy the hobby. Trust but verify. Then I feel sorry for you. LOL I have about 3 or 4 I know and I trust. |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2023 3:16:31 AM EDT
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Howa made a tactical/precision style stock for its Mini action line.
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Posted: 1/29/2023 4:57:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JButlerHickok: Howa made a tactical/precision style stock for its Mini action line. Got any pics or know what the model was called? Was it a conventional stock or chassis? I've seen the camo guns and the carbon fiber model they did as well as numerous chassis systems. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2023 5:40:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmcchet9296: Yeah it's hard to find a tactical style bolt gun in .223/5.56 so I made mine, a M40 clone. Not tactical by todays standard but a cool retro tacticool https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52234932738_c699bdf3af_k.jpgIMG_0667 by John Hermesmeyer, on Flickr I onder if Berga makes a .223 model. It shares the same footprint as a Remington but without the crappy QC. Saw this rifle in another thread. Dead sexy. What stock is that? |
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Posted: 1/30/2023 4:47:19 PM EDT
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That M40’ish rifle is beautiful.
I don’t think the .223 bolt gun is dying but there are many market forces impacting it. I’d argue people have been starting their precision journey with 6’s and 6.5’s, and only after time did they realize how awesome.223 bolt guns are. This was my own journey. Manufacturers setup supply to meet demand. It’s been a B to find 80SMKs. There are only so many factory 1:7 options but they are rather sweet. 1:8 can make it work but 7 twist lets you go heavier, which is awesome because you’ll get good velocity on 80’s and above with a long barrel. If I could’ve afforded it, I would’ve gotten this rifle from Savage, 110 Elite Precision with 1:7. Settled on the RPR for a great price instead, but the barrel only shoots ok.  |
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Posted: 1/30/2023 6:11:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CanNevrHaveEnuffGuns: I’d argue people have been starting their precision journey with 6’s and 6.5’s, and only after time did they realize how awesome.223 bolt guns are. This was my own journey. Same. 2016, get into Grendel AR15 for some of that long range insta cred. It gets bullets to go far, but not internet accurate "I'm not good at AR15s anyway, should try a bolt gun" Get a Howa bolt Grendel: Somehow less accurate Get a Ruger bolt Grendel: Now we're talking, very accurate Buy a 6mm blank, plan to rebarrel the Howa as a 6 Grendel, but 6Arc comes out that month so I do that instead. Look at me, I am de gunsmit now Finally kind of getting there At some point realize that everything I have accomplished in long range shooting (obviously not much), I could have done with 55gr fmj out of the .223 Remington 700 I've had since 2008, if I had just bought any scope better than the Nikon Buckmaster on it 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2023 10:09:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joe731: Same. 2016, get into Grendel AR15 for some of that long range insta cred. It gets bullets to go far, but not internet accurate "I'm not good at AR15s anyway, should try a bolt gun" Get a Howa bolt Grendel: Somehow less accurate Get a Ruger bolt Grendel: Now we're talking, very accurate Buy a 6mm blank, plan to rebarrel the Howa as a 6 Grendel, but 6Arc comes out that month so I do that instead. Look at me, I am de gunsmit now Finally kind of getting there At some point realize that everything I have accomplished in long range shooting (obviously not much), I could have done with 55gr fmj out of the .223 Remington 700 I've had since 2008, if I had just bought any scope better than the Nikon Buckmaster on it Long live 4chan. |
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Posted: 1/31/2023 12:13:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joe731  :At some point realize that everything I have accomplished in long range shooting (obviously not much), I could have done with 55gr fmj out of the .223 Remington 700 I've had since 2008, if I had just bought any scope better than the Nikon Buckmaster on it That’s what always kept me out of the alternative caliber AR’s. I don’t hunt or do any legit target shooting so it just becomes more expensive dirt shooting. Same reason I stopped shooting 308’s |
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Posted: 1/31/2023 12:30:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: That’s what always kept me out of the alternative caliber AR’s. I don’t hunt or do any legit target shooting so it just becomes more expensive dirt shooting. Same reason I stopped shooting 308’s Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Joe731 :At some point realize that everything I have accomplished in long range shooting (obviously not much), I could have done with 55gr fmj out of the .223 Remington 700 I've had since 2008, if I had just bought any scope better than the Nikon Buckmaster on it That’s what always kept me out of the alternative caliber AR’s. I don’t hunt or do any legit target shooting so it just becomes more expensive dirt shooting. Same reason I stopped shooting 308’s 
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Posted: 1/31/2023 1:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joe731: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Joe731 :At some point realize that everything I have accomplished in long range shooting (obviously not much), I could have done with 55gr fmj out of the .223 Remington 700 I've had since 2008, if I had just bought any scope better than the Nikon Buckmaster on it That’s what always kept me out of the alternative caliber AR’s. I don’t hunt or do any legit target shooting so it just becomes more expensive dirt shooting. Same reason I stopped shooting 308’s https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59227/79fshy-2692479.jpg lol |
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Posted: 1/31/2023 1:57:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Firestarter123]
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Here’s my Bighorn TL2 in 223Rem on the bottom.
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