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Posted: 11/18/2014 2:33:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: I agree with the above - why would they not opt for the AICS AX chassis and save an ass load of money? What does the RACS do that the AICS AX doesn't? Or is it really worth the extra $$$? I'm willing to bet Remington cut the cost way down for military that is probably close to what AI's cost would be. Plus it's American
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Posted: 11/18/2014 2:54:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan: What does the RACS do that the AICS AX doesn't? Or is it really worth the extra $$$? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I agree with the above - why would they not opt for the AICS AX chassis and save an ass load of money? What does the RACS do that the AICS AX doesn't? Or is it really worth the extra $$$? I'm willing to bet Remington cut the cost way down for military that is probably close to what AI's cost would be. Plus it's American Makes sense - especially the home grown part. |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 2:55:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lawman734]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
What does the RACS do that the AICS AX doesn't? Or is it really worth the extra $$$? I'm willing to bet Remington cut the cost way down for military that is probably close to what AI's cost would be. Plus it's American Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I agree with the above - why would they not opt for the AICS AX chassis and save an ass load of money? I'm willing to bet Remington cut the cost way down for military that is probably close to what AI's cost would be. Plus it's American Knowing the contract price of the AX chassis to Crane and the production cost of the RACS chassis, I can assure you that that didn't happen unless Remington gave them away. I can buy the American part though, but it hasn't stopped other customers from using the AI chassis. |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 3:29:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawman734: Knowing the contract price of the AX chassis to Crane and the production cost of the RACS chassis, I can assure you that that didn't happen unless Remington gave them away. I can buy the American part though, but it hasn't stopped other customers from using the AI chassis. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawman734: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I agree with the above - why would they not opt for the AICS AX chassis and save an ass load of money? I'm willing to bet Remington cut the cost way down for military that is probably close to what AI's cost would be. Plus it's American Knowing the contract price of the AX chassis to Crane and the production cost of the RACS chassis, I can assure you that that didn't happen unless Remington gave them away. I can buy the American part though, but it hasn't stopped other customers from using the AI chassis. I think someone mentioned $700 for the LW RACS. But I'm taking it as a grain of salt |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 3:37:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
I think someone mentioned $700 for the LW RACS. But I'm taking it as a grain of salt You're wise to take that with a grain of salt as that figure is way, way off the mark. |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 4:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawman734: You're wise to take that with a grain of salt as that figure is way, way off the mark. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawman734: Originally Posted By dangerdan: I think someone mentioned $700 for the LW RACS. But I'm taking it as a grain of salt You're wise to take that with a grain of salt as that figure is way, way off the mark. If that number is way higher than cost....then that's a great deal in the case of us lowly peasants in the 1st Civ Div  Hell, the AI AX 2014 chassis are $1500. I'd like to get a RACS one day....maybe when I win the lottery or get that mail box money |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 9:44:14 PM EDT
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Do you know what the USMC is paying?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawman734:
You're wise to take that with a grain of salt as that figure is way, way off the mark. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawman734:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
I think someone mentioned $700 for the LW RACS. But I'm taking it as a grain of salt You're wise to take that with a grain of salt as that figure is way, way off the mark. |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 10:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sobieras:
Do you know what the USMC is paying? I haven't heard yet, but it'll be public record before long I'd guess. |
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Posted: 11/19/2014 8:04:18 AM EDT
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I have also heard that they are paying around $600 per chassis. Maybe remington is finally only charging 10% profit on their products to the government. In this climate I would hope that if they were trying to rape the USMC they would just tell remington to piss off and keep using the current stock. I manage construction contracts for the NAVY and USMC and the cap on profit is 8%. There is no way the RACS costs remington $3500 just to make.
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Posted: 11/19/2014 8:56:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lawman734]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sobieras:
I have also heard that they are paying around $600 per chassis. Maybe remington is finally only charging 10% profit on their products to the government. In this climate I would hope that if they were trying to rape the USMC they would just tell remington to piss off and keep using the current stock. I manage construction contracts for the NAVY and USMC and the cap on profit is 8%. There is no way the RACS costs remington $3500 just to make. The benefits of landing a big military contract are usually weighed beyond the profit margin alone - the commercial sales and marketing boost from being able to have that contract often make it worth it to cut to the bone. From what I know on the SOCOM's PSR contract submissions when they were submitted, rifle manufacturers cut costs to the extreme to make it more attractive - in the area of 10%. The same is occurring with CSASS submissions now. Nobody said it cost Remington $3500 to make, but it is in the ballpark of $2000 as I remember it by the time they bring it to market when other things are taken into account. I'm not sure, but I think Cadex may have something to do with that whether it's licensing fees or whatever. As a person who works with contracting, you're probably also aware of lowest price clauses within purchasing contracts. It's kinda hard to lowball a bid when you have other contracts that charge significantly higher without violating those contracts, |
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Posted: 11/20/2014 6:37:30 AM EDT
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Here's some pics from this album that a Marine posted on reddit.
https://imgur.com/a/kqxLU 
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:28:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:50:15 PM EDT
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Looks like a SCAR SSR back there in the second picture. Very nice.
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Posted: 12/3/2014 10:05:09 PM EDT
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Bump
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Posted: 12/4/2014 3:53:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reswob:
Here's some pics from this album that a Marine posted on reddit. That's the longest shovel I've ever seen. |
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Posted: 12/4/2014 9:18:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sobieras:
Looks like a SCAR SSR back there in the second picture. Very nice. 
Tier 1 Assets from the last sniper class we did. Thanks to everyone as always for all of the pics & info. M Richardson |
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Posted: 12/4/2014 10:25:08 AM EDT
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Picture Dump! Apologies if any are dupes.
MARSOC 
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Last but not least! Sgt. Jason Pacheco, 23, scout sniper instructor, Division Schools, 1st Marine Division. 
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Posted: 12/4/2014 9:48:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
XM-3 Specs CALIBER: .308 Winchester / 7.62MM Chambered for Lake City 175 Gr. and/or Black Hills 175 Grain Match Barrel: 18.5" Hart 416R Stainless Steel (Mil-Gauged) Rifling: 1:10 RH Twist w/ 6 Grooves Magazine: Internal / Welded 5 Rd. Capacity Muzzle velocity: 2530 FPS w/ Suppressor and Lake City 175 Gr. 2450 FPS w/ Suppressor and Black Hills 175 Gr. Maximum effective range: 1000 yards Length: 40.50" without suppressor, 46.25" with suppressor Day Optic Sight: Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Illuminated Mildot NIGHT VISION SIGHT: AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight (UNS) Combat Weight: Complete with sling, bipod, ammunition - Day operations: 16lbs, Night operations: 18lbs XM-3 Components Receiver- M700, Clip-Slotted by IBA, Stainless Steel (Remington Arms) Stock- McMillan A-6 (A1-3), 12.25"- 13.75" Adjustable LOP w/Decel Pad (McMillan Stocks) Barrel- 18.5" OAL, 416R Stainless Steel, Twist Rate 1:10" (Hart Rifle Barrels) UNS Mount- BCM22H 6061 Aluminum, Anodized (IBA Inc.) Trigger Guard- M4 Carbon Steel (Badger Ordnance) Sling Swivels- One Piece, Permanently Installed (Wichita Arms) Recoil Lug- Titanium @ 1.070" .312" (IBA Inc.) Scope mount- Titanium Picatinny Rail, 20 MOA, Lugged (IBA Inc.) Scope Rings- .885 Ultra-lite, Aluminum / Titanium (Nightforce Inc.) Fire Control- M700 Trigger Re-Built by IBA (Remington Arms) Magazine- Internal W/ Modified Milled Follower (Remington Arms) Combat Bolt Handle, Annodized Aluminum (IBA Inc.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Anyone have a copy of the XM3 build specs on hand? Thanks. XM-3 Specs CALIBER: .308 Winchester / 7.62MM Chambered for Lake City 175 Gr. and/or Black Hills 175 Grain Match Barrel: 18.5" Hart 416R Stainless Steel (Mil-Gauged) Rifling: 1:10 RH Twist w/ 6 Grooves Magazine: Internal / Welded 5 Rd. Capacity Muzzle velocity: 2530 FPS w/ Suppressor and Lake City 175 Gr. 2450 FPS w/ Suppressor and Black Hills 175 Gr. Maximum effective range: 1000 yards Length: 40.50" without suppressor, 46.25" with suppressor Day Optic Sight: Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Illuminated Mildot NIGHT VISION SIGHT: AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight (UNS) Combat Weight: Complete with sling, bipod, ammunition - Day operations: 16lbs, Night operations: 18lbs XM-3 Components Receiver- M700, Clip-Slotted by IBA, Stainless Steel (Remington Arms) Stock- McMillan A-6 (A1-3), 12.25"- 13.75" Adjustable LOP w/Decel Pad (McMillan Stocks) Barrel- 18.5" OAL, 416R Stainless Steel, Twist Rate 1:10" (Hart Rifle Barrels) UNS Mount- BCM22H 6061 Aluminum, Anodized (IBA Inc.) Trigger Guard- M4 Carbon Steel (Badger Ordnance) Sling Swivels- One Piece, Permanently Installed (Wichita Arms) Recoil Lug- Titanium @ 1.070" .312" (IBA Inc.) Scope mount- Titanium Picatinny Rail, 20 MOA, Lugged (IBA Inc.) Scope Rings- .885 Ultra-lite, Aluminum / Titanium (Nightforce Inc.) Fire Control- M700 Trigger Re-Built by IBA (Remington Arms) Magazine- Internal W/ Modified Milled Follower (Remington Arms) Combat Bolt Handle, Annodized Aluminum (IBA Inc.) Is the above day ops weight of 16 lbs correct ? That seems awfully heavy for a rifle that was supposedly lightened up with a shorter and thinner barrel, alloy/titanium parts instead of steel, slimmer stock etc. I'm giving serious thought to tearing down my A3 boat anchor clone and building a XM3. Of all the parts on the XM3, which are the hardest to come by ? |
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Posted: 12/4/2014 11:28:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tat2steve: Is the above day ops weight of 16 lbs correct ? That seems awfully heavy for a rifle that was supposedly lightened up with a shorter and thinner barrel, alloy/titanium parts instead of steel, slimmer stock etc. I'm giving serious thought to tearing down my A3 boat anchor clone and building a XM3. Of all the parts on the XM3, which are the hardest to come by ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tat2steve: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: Anyone have a copy of the XM3 build specs on hand? Thanks. XM-3 Specs CALIBER: .308 Winchester / 7.62MM Chambered for Lake City 175 Gr. and/or Black Hills 175 Grain Match Barrel: 18.5" Hart 416R Stainless Steel (Mil-Gauged) Rifling: 1:10 RH Twist w/ 6 Grooves Magazine: Internal / Welded 5 Rd. Capacity Muzzle velocity: 2530 FPS w/ Suppressor and Lake City 175 Gr. 2450 FPS w/ Suppressor and Black Hills 175 Gr. Maximum effective range: 1000 yards Length: 40.50" without suppressor, 46.25" with suppressor Day Optic Sight: Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Illuminated Mildot NIGHT VISION SIGHT: AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight (UNS) Combat Weight: Complete with sling, bipod, ammunition - Day operations: 16lbs, Night operations: 18lbs XM-3 Components Receiver- M700, Clip-Slotted by IBA, Stainless Steel (Remington Arms) Stock- McMillan A-6 (A1-3), 12.25"- 13.75" Adjustable LOP w/Decel Pad (McMillan Stocks) Barrel- 18.5" OAL, 416R Stainless Steel, Twist Rate 1:10" (Hart Rifle Barrels) UNS Mount- BCM22H 6061 Aluminum, Anodized (IBA Inc.) Trigger Guard- M4 Carbon Steel (Badger Ordnance) Sling Swivels- One Piece, Permanently Installed (Wichita Arms) Recoil Lug- Titanium @ 1.070" .312" (IBA Inc.) Scope mount- Titanium Picatinny Rail, 20 MOA, Lugged (IBA Inc.) Scope Rings- .885 Ultra-lite, Aluminum / Titanium (Nightforce Inc.) Fire Control- M700 Trigger Re-Built by IBA (Remington Arms) Magazine- Internal W/ Modified Milled Follower (Remington Arms) Combat Bolt Handle, Annodized Aluminum (IBA Inc.) Is the above day ops weight of 16 lbs correct ? That seems awfully heavy for a rifle that was supposedly lightened up with a shorter and thinner barrel, alloy/titanium parts instead of steel, slimmer stock etc. I'm giving serious thought to tearing down my A3 boat anchor clone and building a XM3. Of all the parts on the XM3, which are the hardest to come by ? 16lbs is probably close. My Mk13 Mod 5 weighs 18lbs without suppressor and ammo. The stocks between the 2 probably weigh close to the same (guestimating). Surely 8" of barrel doesn't weigh 2 lbs. The hardest thing to find would probably be the Surefire flash hider. I have seen some recently for sale online, but usually from places I've never heard of and questionable if they even have them in stock. The stock would probably take some time to get, given the time it takes McMillan to fulfill an order. You could probably order a blank and have Long Rifles, Inc mill it for you. That would probably speed things up. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 12:23:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mech4matsnova]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captrichardson:
Picture Dump! Apologies if any are dupes. MARSOC <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/MARSOC1_zps749ab0f4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/MARSOC1_zps749ab0f4.jpg</a> NSW <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW5_zpsef8ae459.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW5_zpsef8ae459.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW2_zps1bfa18a8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW2_zps1bfa18a8.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW1_zpsabc2e9f6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW1_zpsabc2e9f6.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW6_zpsa079f68c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW6_zpsa079f68c.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW3_zps7d7f4fbb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW3_zps7d7f4fbb.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW4_zps81b0603a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW4_zps81b0603a.jpg</a> ARMY <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA1_zps847aadc9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA1_zps847aadc9.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA2_zps1f810895.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA2_zps1f810895.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA3_zpseffb4050.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA3_zpseffb4050.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA4_zps3c3ba342.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA4_zps3c3ba342.jpg</a> Last but not least! Sgt. Jason Pacheco, 23, scout sniper instructor, Division Schools, 1st Marine Division. <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USMC1_zps15c65c28.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USMC1_zps15c65c28.jpg</a> Thanks, M Richardson The first picture under Army is featured on the TPS website: TPS website ETA : I'm not super up to date on the precision gear, but the SCAR looking rifle the NSW guys are using looks like it weighs a fucking ton. It may not but it sure as shit looks heavy. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 8:07:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
16lbs is probably close. My Mk13 Mod 5 weighs 18lbs without suppressor and ammo. The stocks between the 2 probably weigh close to the same (guestimating). Surely 8" of barrel doesn't weigh 2 lbs. The hardest thing to find would probably be the Surefire flash hider. I have seen some recently for sale online, but usually from places I've never heard of and questionable if they even have them in stock. The stock would probably take some time to get, given the time it takes McMillan to fulfill an order. You could probably order a blank and have Long Rifles, Inc mill it for you. That would probably speed things up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By tat2steve:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Anyone have a copy of the XM3 build specs on hand? Thanks. XM-3 Specs CALIBER: .308 Winchester / 7.62MM Chambered for Lake City 175 Gr. and/or Black Hills 175 Grain Match Barrel: 18.5" Hart 416R Stainless Steel (Mil-Gauged) Rifling: 1:10 RH Twist w/ 6 Grooves Magazine: Internal / Welded 5 Rd. Capacity Muzzle velocity: 2530 FPS w/ Suppressor and Lake City 175 Gr. 2450 FPS w/ Suppressor and Black Hills 175 Gr. Maximum effective range: 1000 yards Length: 40.50" without suppressor, 46.25" with suppressor Day Optic Sight: Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Illuminated Mildot NIGHT VISION SIGHT: AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight (UNS) Combat Weight: Complete with sling, bipod, ammunition - Day operations: 16lbs, Night operations: 18lbs XM-3 Components Receiver- M700, Clip-Slotted by IBA, Stainless Steel (Remington Arms) Stock- McMillan A-6 (A1-3), 12.25"- 13.75" Adjustable LOP w/Decel Pad (McMillan Stocks) Barrel- 18.5" OAL, 416R Stainless Steel, Twist Rate 1:10" (Hart Rifle Barrels) UNS Mount- BCM22H 6061 Aluminum, Anodized (IBA Inc.) Trigger Guard- M4 Carbon Steel (Badger Ordnance) Sling Swivels- One Piece, Permanently Installed (Wichita Arms) Recoil Lug- Titanium @ 1.070" .312" (IBA Inc.) Scope mount- Titanium Picatinny Rail, 20 MOA, Lugged (IBA Inc.) Scope Rings- .885 Ultra-lite, Aluminum / Titanium (Nightforce Inc.) Fire Control- M700 Trigger Re-Built by IBA (Remington Arms) Magazine- Internal W/ Modified Milled Follower (Remington Arms) Combat Bolt Handle, Annodized Aluminum (IBA Inc.) Is the above day ops weight of 16 lbs correct ? That seems awfully heavy for a rifle that was supposedly lightened up with a shorter and thinner barrel, alloy/titanium parts instead of steel, slimmer stock etc. I'm giving serious thought to tearing down my A3 boat anchor clone and building a XM3. Of all the parts on the XM3, which are the hardest to come by ? 16lbs is probably close. My Mk13 Mod 5 weighs 18lbs without suppressor and ammo. The stocks between the 2 probably weigh close to the same (guestimating). Surely 8" of barrel doesn't weigh 2 lbs. The hardest thing to find would probably be the Surefire flash hider. I have seen some recently for sale online, but usually from places I've never heard of and questionable if they even have them in stock. The stock would probably take some time to get, given the time it takes McMillan to fulfill an order. You could probably order a blank and have Long Rifles, Inc mill it for you. That would probably speed things up. Thanks Dan, Is the flash hider restricted by Surefire ? It's not listed on their website, or just not in production anymore. How about a drawing of the barrel specs ? |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 9:59:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tat2steve: Thanks Dan, Is the flash hider restricted by Surefire ? It's not listed on their website, or just not in production anymore. How about a drawing of the barrel specs ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tat2steve: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By tat2steve: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: Anyone have a copy of the XM3 build specs on hand? Thanks. XM-3 Specs CALIBER: .308 Winchester / 7.62MM Chambered for Lake City 175 Gr. and/or Black Hills 175 Grain Match Barrel: 18.5" Hart 416R Stainless Steel (Mil-Gauged) Rifling: 1:10 RH Twist w/ 6 Grooves Magazine: Internal / Welded 5 Rd. Capacity Muzzle velocity: 2530 FPS w/ Suppressor and Lake City 175 Gr. 2450 FPS w/ Suppressor and Black Hills 175 Gr. Maximum effective range: 1000 yards Length: 40.50" without suppressor, 46.25" with suppressor Day Optic Sight: Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Illuminated Mildot NIGHT VISION SIGHT: AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight (UNS) Combat Weight: Complete with sling, bipod, ammunition - Day operations: 16lbs, Night operations: 18lbs XM-3 Components Receiver- M700, Clip-Slotted by IBA, Stainless Steel (Remington Arms) Stock- McMillan A-6 (A1-3), 12.25"- 13.75" Adjustable LOP w/Decel Pad (McMillan Stocks) Barrel- 18.5" OAL, 416R Stainless Steel, Twist Rate 1:10" (Hart Rifle Barrels) UNS Mount- BCM22H 6061 Aluminum, Anodized (IBA Inc.) Trigger Guard- M4 Carbon Steel (Badger Ordnance) Sling Swivels- One Piece, Permanently Installed (Wichita Arms) Recoil Lug- Titanium @ 1.070" .312" (IBA Inc.) Scope mount- Titanium Picatinny Rail, 20 MOA, Lugged (IBA Inc.) Scope Rings- .885 Ultra-lite, Aluminum / Titanium (Nightforce Inc.) Fire Control- M700 Trigger Re-Built by IBA (Remington Arms) Magazine- Internal W/ Modified Milled Follower (Remington Arms) Combat Bolt Handle, Annodized Aluminum (IBA Inc.) Is the above day ops weight of 16 lbs correct ? That seems awfully heavy for a rifle that was supposedly lightened up with a shorter and thinner barrel, alloy/titanium parts instead of steel, slimmer stock etc. I'm giving serious thought to tearing down my A3 boat anchor clone and building a XM3. Of all the parts on the XM3, which are the hardest to come by ? 16lbs is probably close. My Mk13 Mod 5 weighs 18lbs without suppressor and ammo. The stocks between the 2 probably weigh close to the same (guestimating). Surely 8" of barrel doesn't weigh 2 lbs. The hardest thing to find would probably be the Surefire flash hider. I have seen some recently for sale online, but usually from places I've never heard of and questionable if they even have them in stock. The stock would probably take some time to get, given the time it takes McMillan to fulfill an order. You could probably order a blank and have Long Rifles, Inc mill it for you. That would probably speed things up. Thanks Dan, Is the flash hider restricted by Surefire ? It's not listed on their website, or just not in production anymore. How about a drawing of the barrel specs ? I do not know if they make the .30 caliber flash hider any more. All they have on their website is the muzzle brake. The flash hider is not restricted. Ever since the SOCOM suppressors came out, their legacy suppressors and parts are little harder to find. If you want a 100% correct XM3, contact IBA as they built them. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 5:16:55 PM EDT
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The titanium scope rail and recoil lug were IBA items and I doubt if there is anyone else making those, so I think you're right, if you want a true spec build XM3 IBA will have to be involved.
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Posted: 12/11/2014 2:25:51 AM EDT
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Having the long range rifle pic thread in the GD forum is a little confusing since the semi auto thread is in the Semi Auto forum.
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Posted: 12/11/2014 3:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captrichardson:
Picture Dump! Apologies if any are dupes. MARSOC <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/MARSOC1_zps749ab0f4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/MARSOC1_zps749ab0f4.jpg</a> NSW <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW5_zpsef8ae459.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW5_zpsef8ae459.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW2_zps1bfa18a8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW2_zps1bfa18a8.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW1_zpsabc2e9f6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW1_zpsabc2e9f6.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW6_zpsa079f68c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW6_zpsa079f68c.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW3_zps7d7f4fbb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW3_zps7d7f4fbb.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW4_zps81b0603a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW4_zps81b0603a.jpg</a> ARMY <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA1_zps847aadc9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA1_zps847aadc9.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA2_zps1f810895.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA2_zps1f810895.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA3_zpseffb4050.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA3_zpseffb4050.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA4_zps3c3ba342.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA4_zps3c3ba342.jpg</a> Last but not least! Sgt. Jason Pacheco, 23, scout sniper instructor, Division Schools, 1st Marine Division. <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USMC1_zps15c65c28.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USMC1_zps15c65c28.jpg</a> Thanks, M Richardson First guy is a SEAL. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 2:57:25 PM EDT
[#26]
Dan--
Have you fired any subsonics from your Mk13 yet? What kind of range and velocity are you getting from said loads? Did I read correctly that production of the AICS 2.0 has come to an end? |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 3:46:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: Dan-- Have you fired any subsonics from your Mk13 yet? What kind of range and velocity are you getting from said loads? Did I read correctly that production of the AICS 2.0 has come to an end? I haven't seen any .300 subs. I don't know my exact velocity. I think 2900 or 2950 fps is the average from the test barrel with 220gr SMK's. Longest so far was 1,100 yards in a family friend's pasture. I would like to push it out further...at least 1,600 yards  Need to buy more ammo. Started out with 200 rounds of 220gr SMK's. Not sure about the lagacy 2.0 stocks. The new style AICS stocks are fairly new (what I have). I doubt AI would stop production that soon....but then again they have recently came out with AT and 2014 chassis The new style AICS came put the same time the AX was introduced |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2014 11:07:56 AM EDT
[#28]
There was a group of guys developing a subsonic load (for short work) over on the hide a short while ago... Can't seem to find it via google search. Didn't think it would turn out well, but I seem to remember they found a pretty stable formula.
I'll keep looking. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:32:29 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
First guy is a SEAL. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By captrichardson:
Picture Dump! Apologies if any are dupes. MARSOC <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/MARSOC1_zps749ab0f4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/MARSOC1_zps749ab0f4.jpg</a> NSW <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW5_zpsef8ae459.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW5_zpsef8ae459.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW2_zps1bfa18a8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW2_zps1bfa18a8.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW1_zpsabc2e9f6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW1_zpsabc2e9f6.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW6_zpsa079f68c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW6_zpsa079f68c.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW3_zps7d7f4fbb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW3_zps7d7f4fbb.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/NSW4_zps81b0603a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/NSW4_zps81b0603a.jpg</a> ARMY <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA1_zps847aadc9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA1_zps847aadc9.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA2_zps1f810895.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA2_zps1f810895.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA3_zpseffb4050.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA3_zpseffb4050.jpg</a> <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USA4_zps3c3ba342.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USA4_zps3c3ba342.jpg</a> Last but not least! Sgt. Jason Pacheco, 23, scout sniper instructor, Division Schools, 1st Marine Division. <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/captcarbine/media/USMC1_zps15c65c28.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/USMC1_zps15c65c28.jpg</a> Thanks, M Richardson First guy is a SEAL. Anyone know what optic the Army guys are using? |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 11:01:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ggee87:
Anyone know what optic the Army guys are using? Leupold 6.5-20x50 Mark 4 ER/T 34mm with locking M5 turrets FFP I would guess either the H-27 or H-58 reticle. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 11:04:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_H:
Leupold 6.5-20x50 Mark 4 ER/T 34mm with locking M5 turrets FFP I would guess either the H-27 or H-58 reticle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_H:
Originally Posted By ggee87:
Anyone know what optic the Army guys are using? Leupold 6.5-20x50 Mark 4 ER/T 34mm with locking M5 turrets FFP I would guess either the H-27 or H-58 reticle. Thanks. I'm looking for my next optic and that may fit the bill. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 2:39:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Post Christmas bump!
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Posted: 12/26/2014 4:04:27 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ggee87:
Thanks. I'm looking for my next optic and that may fit the bill. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ggee87:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Originally Posted By ggee87:
Anyone know what optic the Army guys are using? Leupold 6.5-20x50 Mark 4 ER/T 34mm with locking M5 turrets FFP I would guess either the H-27 or H-58 reticle. Thanks. I'm looking for my next optic and that may fit the bill. It's Leupold part #68140 or #111855. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/26/2014 4:57:41 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Post Christmas bump! Patience 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 4:16:06 AM EDT
[#35]
Does anyone have any pics on the MK13 series? Im looking for pics of each Mod. I have several of the Mod 5 and 6. Looking for earlier Mod pics.
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USA
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Posted: 12/27/2014 4:16:55 AM EDT
[#36]
I don't believe Remington or Badger makes the MARS rail anymore, at least not for commercial sale. However, PRI makes a scope base very similar.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 11:21:16 AM EDT
[#37]
Does anyone have any pics on the MK13 series? Im looking for pics of each Mod. I have several of the Mod 5 and 6. Looking for earlier Mod pics.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:43:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moorhe: Does anyone have any pics on the MK13 series? Im looking for pics of each Mod. I have several of the Mod 5 and 6. Looking for earlier Mod pics. Check OP??? |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 6:48:01 PM EDT
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my M40A? model as they kept upgrading them as I was building. I have a form 1 can pending and I want the NV mount and I will be happy
Rem 700AAC McMillan stock badger M5 Seekins base Burris XTR rings Falcon Menace 4-14 FFP Harris 6-9 notched S w/Podlock storm tactical log books not perfect but close enough for me and my wallet
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Posted: 1/4/2015 10:19:38 PM EDT
[#41]
I'm dealing with the same issues now on a Chenowth Desert Patrol Vehicle I'm restoring. After dealing with 6 different people, I'm only now starting to get a better picture considering that most of the info you see is inaccurate or has been regurgitated from the same single source over and over again.
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Posted: 1/6/2015 9:28:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Great info
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Posted: 1/7/2015 7:22:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Couple M24 Rebuilds from Remington and Badger
Quantico built M40A1 with Unertl 10X 
M40A5 In process, stock and other large pieces are in the safe 
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Posted: 1/9/2015 12:03:12 AM EDT
[#44]
I'm dealing with the same issues now on a Chenowth Desert Patrol Vehicle I'm restoring.
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Posted: 1/9/2015 2:22:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moorhe: I'm dealing with the same issues now on a Chenowth Desert Patrol Vehicle I'm restoring. Ok. That's twice in the same thread, same page you said that.
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Posted: 1/9/2015 10:07:05 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Ok. That's twice in the same thread, same page you said that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By moorhe:
I'm dealing with the same issues now on a Chenowth Desert Patrol Vehicle I'm restoring. Ok. That's twice in the same thread, same page you said that. LMAO who knows... |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:36:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Now i'm coping with exactly the same concerns now on the Chenowth Desert Patrol Automobile Now i'm rebuilding.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:46:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Fucking spammers
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:45:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Dan
From a clone perspective on the mk13 would a surefire socom 762 be acceptable or is the mk11 can the only "clone ok" can? |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 10:58:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThesreatDanton:
Dan From a clone perspective on the mk13 would a surefire socom 762 be acceptable or is the mk11 can the only "clone ok" can? It would depend on the generation, mod 7 uses the Surefire suppressor but all others up to that point used the the MK11. Since the MK11 doesn't use a threaded barrel/flash hider to attach there wouldn't be the possibility of armorers replacing the older MK11's with SOCOM's in the field (presumably, unless they had the ability to cut threads or rebarrel) |
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