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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - M16A5 Stock from VLTOR (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 6/13/2010 11:22:44 AM EDT
Specially developed on request from the USMC, the “A5” Combo Kit stock configuration was developed specifically for the future upgrade on the M16A4. If adopted, the newly revamped rifle might be designated as the M16A5. The patent pending Vltor A5 configuration stock kit is not just an EMod stock with M4 components; it’s developed as a completely new operating system. For example, the receiver extension is longer, housing a longer and specially weighted buffer, utilizing the M16A2 action spring. The A5 receiver extension features seven adjustment positions. When totally collapsed, the EMod is at the same length if mounted to any carbine length (M4) receiver extension. When totally extended (in the seventh position), the EMod can extend to a longer length of pull than an M16A2 stock assembly. Recently tested by a professional source, the A5 system has proven to be more reliable then the M16A2, M4 and the recently released “H6” stock systems. With the use of the M16A2 action spring, the A5 system resembles the reliability and performance of the M16 fixed stock system. By having the same characteristics of the M16 fixed stock system, the A5 has shown increased accuracy and milder/smoother function, due to the constant spring rate the M16A2 spring offers. To reiterate, the A5 system offers everything the M16 fixed stock system offers, but with increased reliability and performance. The A5 system is a superb upgrade for piston systems. Piston equipped ARs, are usually over-gassed and show excessive carrier velocities, which can lead to unreliability and decreased accuracy. As tested on numerous piston systems (such as the HK 416 platform), the A5 system has tamed such platforms and reduced the weapons rate of fire while retaining, if not increasing, the weapons reliability. Also available for the A5 system are two heavier weighted buffers for the weapon or shooter with special needs. Each heavier buffer upgrade is offered separately, but not in “kit” form. To sum it up, all AR based platforms will benefit from the A5 system. If accuracy and reliability is what you desire, then the Vltor A5 system is what’s required. Please click this link to the VLTOR Stocks section of our webpage with more pictures, info, pricing, and online ordering ........................ Thanks for looking 
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A few questions: Is this tube too long for other stock bodies to work on it? What is the weight of this new buffer? How does it compare to the A2 buffer? Oh and what is the barrel length on this upper? http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Vltor%20AEBK-A5T%20EMOD-A5%20TAN-4.jpg I am at home right now, so I will do my best with answers. It is a longer receiver extension, so other stocks may not collapse all the way. Not sure on weights. That is a 16" SS410 upper. Thanks |
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Looks like an honest to goodness functional innovation, and if adopted it'd be a great improvement for those poor Marines and their muskets. It's also not as awkward looking with the Emod as the C7A2s. 
~Augee I agree 100%. There is no downside to this product. |
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Quoted: A5 Buffer and Action spring and standard carbine buffer and action spring. < ETA: ? > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/bravocompanyusa/VLTOR%20A5%20stock/a5buffer5.jpg |
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A5 Buffer and Action spring and standard carbine buffer and action spring. < ETA: ? > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/bravocompanyusa/VLTOR%20A5%20stock/a5buffer5.jpg My typo. The above action spring and buffer pics are A5 system shown next to a rifle buffer and action spring system (M16A4) |
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This is an awesome answer to a real problem. Also, I once put my 16" BCM midlength upper on a standard A1 rifle stock lower and it was the softest, most pleasant AR I ever shot... Imagine the same rifle only with a collapsible stock. The gears, they are turning in my mind. ETA - Paul, can you slap a 16" midlength upper on that lower and take a picture?  |
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This is an awesome answer to a real problem. Also, I once put my 16" BCM midlength upper on a standard A1 rifle stock lower and it was the softest, most pleasant AR I ever shot... Imagine the same rifle only with a collapsible stock. The gears, they are turning in my mind.
ETA - Paul, can you slap a 16" midlength upper on that lower and take a picture?
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Quoted: Quoted: This is an awesome answer to a real problem. Also, I once put my 16" BCM midlength upper on a standard A1 rifle stock lower and it was the softest, most pleasant AR I ever shot... Imagine the same rifle only with a collapsible stock. The gears, they are turning in my mind. ETA - Paul, can you slap a 16" midlength upper on that lower and take a picture? Mid Lengths http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-MID-16%20CASV-SB-5.jpg http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-MID-16%20BFH%20DDL9-4.jpg http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-MID-14%20DDOX9-3.jpg http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-MID-16%20BFH%20LT12-4.jpg Carbine http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-M4-14%20A2X%20MIT10-5.jpg http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-M4-14%20RISIIFSP%20DE%20A2X-4.jpg That looks pretty awesome, Paul and I'm sure it creates a VERY soft shooting rifle. |
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that looks an awful lot like an AR-10 buffer tube: My pic, Armalite AR-10 tube on top, Vltor milspec tube bottom: http://listmequick.com/AR10/100_1332.JPG Looks very similar to: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/bravocompanyusa/VLTOR%20A5%20stock/a5buffer4.jpg Why reinvent the wheel? If you need a longer buffer tube for your longer buffer, and you already make a longer buffer tube... |
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Finally! Glad to see that the USMC, Vltor, and BCM are on the same page!
Even though retractable carbine stocks are dead sexy, I have kept fixed stocks on most of my semi ARs and on my full auto Colt M-16 (with Colt hydraulic buffer, green spring and shorter CS fixed stock). I've always thought that the rifle length spring and buffer not only made for a smoother shooting rifle but a more reliable one as well. The only downside was being stuck with a fixed length. That's not a big deal for civilian shooters––- but definitely a "nice to have" alternative! However, for Marines fighting with body armor it is LONG OVERDUE. I may be tempted to try one of these out. For precision rifle shooting, being able to adjust your length of pull does have some advantages, especially when prone and locked into a tight sling. |
| just thought I would add that a regular rifle buffer is around 5.4oz I believe so I would assume that this new buffer is similar in weight. I have run my carbine and middy with a 5 oz colt pistol buffer and it runs great! this should be close possibly even better. I wonder if this new length will be patented or will it be a new standard. |
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Recently tested by a professional source, the A5 system has proven to be more reliable then the M16A2, M4 and the recently released “H6” stock systems. With the use of the M16A2 action spring, the A5 system resembles the reliability and performance of the M16 fixed stock system. By having the same characteristics of the M16 fixed stock system, the A5 has shown increased accuracy and milder/smoother function, due to the constant spring rate the M16A2 spring offers. To reiterate, the A5 system offers everything the M16 fixed stock system offers, but with increased reliability and performance. Am I the only one who has a hard time believing the part in red and doesn't that part kind of contradict the part in blue? |
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Recently tested by a professional source, the A5 system has proven to be more reliable then the M16A2, M4 and the recently released “H6” stock systems. With the use of the M16A2 action spring, the A5 system resembles the reliability and performance of the M16 fixed stock system. By having the same characteristics of the M16 fixed stock system, the A5 has shown increased accuracy and milder/smoother function, due to the constant spring rate the M16A2 spring offers. To reiterate, the A5 system offers everything the M16 fixed stock system offers, but with increased reliability and performance. Am I the only one who has a hard time believing the part in red and doesn't that part kind of contradict the part in blue? when you put it that way...you do make a point....kind of an odd description at that -lol |
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How would I go about trying to get my armory to get these for my team (or let me install a personally owned one)? I'd like to not work out of an MRAP with a full size musket again if it can be helped. Picture request: VLTOR A5 RE with MagPul ACS Stock |
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Recently tested by a professional source, the A5 system has proven to be more reliable then the M16A2, M4 and the recently released “H6” stock systems. With the use of the M16A2 action spring, the A5 system resembles the reliability and performance of the M16 fixed stock system. By having the same characteristics of the M16 fixed stock system, the A5 has shown increased accuracy and milder/smoother function, due to the constant spring rate the M16A2 spring offers. To reiterate, the A5 system offers everything the M16 fixed stock system offers, but with increased reliability and performance. Am I the only one who has a hard time believing the part in red and doesn't that part kind of contradict the part in blue? The testing was done using the M16A4 as a baseline. The goal was to get a stock that offer close to the same reliability. The A5 stock reliability data was actually better than the A4 stock by a small margin. |
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So its the same modstock they've been selling for years, but with a longer tube? Not exactly. The stock body is the same as their standard EMod offering. The action spring is a M16 action spring, receiver extension is longer than a carbine receiver extension, and the buffer is a new hybrid between a M16 buffer and a M4 buffer with a different internal design. Thanks, |
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Two questions? How would I go about trying to get my armory to get these for my team (or let me install a personally owned one)? I'd like to not work out of an MRAP with a full size musket again if it can be helped. Picture request: VLTOR A5 RE with MagPul ACS Stock I will see what tech info I can get released at this time. The pic would look just like an ACS on any other tube. The ACS will close fully on this RE. |
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Two questions? How would I go about trying to get my armory to get these for my team (or let me install a personally owned one)? I'd like to not work out of an MRAP with a full size musket again if it can be helped. Picture request: VLTOR A5 RE with MagPul ACS Stock I will see what tech info I can get released at this time. The pic would look just like an ACS on any other tube. The ACS will close fully on this RE. Stand by, this info not cleared for release. |
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i wonder if just the tube will be offered. I just want 7 positions... It is my understanding that at this time it will only be offered as a A5 Emod Kit. Optional heavier buffers will also be offered separately. Thanks, I think Vltor would sell a lot more if they offered just the receiver extension and buffer as a combo. I have no use for the EMOD (and probably a lot of other people) and I don't think I could sell it for enough to make the kit worth it. Dustin |
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i wonder if just the tube will be offered. I just want 7 positions... It is my understanding that at this time it will only be offered as a A5 Emod Kit. Optional heavier buffers will also be offered separately. Thanks, I think Vltor would sell a lot more if they offered just the receiver extension and buffer as a combo. I have no use for the EMOD (and probably a lot of other people) and I don't think I could sell it for enough to make the kit worth it. Dustin +4, as in I would buy four of the receiver extensions, right now, but do not want to spend my life offloading four vltor stocks which i have no use for |
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i wonder if just the tube will be offered. I just want 7 positions... It is my understanding that at this time it will only be offered as a A5 Emod Kit. Optional heavier buffers will also be offered separately. Thanks, I think Vltor would sell a lot more if they offered just the receiver extension and buffer as a combo. I have no use for the EMOD (and probably a lot of other people) and I don't think I could sell it for enough to make the kit worth it. Dustin +4, as in I would buy four of the receiver extensions, right now, but do not want to spend my life offloading four vltor stocks which i have no use for I'm in for just the receiver extension and buffer as well. I already have the EMOD stock on my midlength that I plan on switching out for an IMOD, and by doing this I can simply use to EMOD on a new extension and buffer instead of buying another stock. |
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i wonder if just the tube will be offered. I just want 7 positions... It is my understanding that at this time it will only be offered as a A5 Emod Kit. Optional heavier buffers will also be offered separately. Thanks, I think Vltor would sell a lot more if they offered just the receiver extension and buffer as a combo. I have no use for the EMOD (and probably a lot of other people) and I don't think I could sell it for enough to make the kit worth it. Dustin +4, as in I would buy four of the receiver extensions, right now, but do not want to spend my life offloading four vltor stocks which i have no use for I'm in for just the receiver extension and buffer as well. I already have the EMOD stock on my midlength that I plan on switching out for an IMOD, and by doing this I can simply use to EMOD on a new extension and buffer instead of buying another stock. +6 and I'll put it on the 2 EMODs I already have. Don't punish me for already being a customer.
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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - M16A5 Stock from VLTOR (Page 1 of 3)
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