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Posted: 6/24/2017 10:15:47 PM EDT
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Junk.....It's an extremely dangerous, gimmicky trigger that's overpriced and marketed toward the weekend range warrior, living room operator crowd who thinks something like that is cool and will impress their buddies after it's installed in their DPMS or Bushmaster. It fires when the trigger is released, TERRIBLE idea! Unfortunately, that company will make a ton of money because there are those that will actually buy it. It's not practical to use in a serious carbine/rifle. One is much better off, and safer to buy a Geissele trigger if you want to put rounds down range in a hurry. There are YouTube videos of this thing and another that functions the same dangerous way. See how long they last after one of the living room operators has a ND and kills somebody because their gun fired when letting go of the trigger. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 11:06:15 AM EDT
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I have no idea what in the right mind would make you bitch about this trigger system since we have something called the Hughes Amendment (FOPA)... Unless your one of those idiotic pro-NFA/Hughes amendment FUDDs. update fostech sent me a new cnc detent cap havent gotten to try it yet but looks good the one i touched up was working really good but they didnt even really ask just tell them who you are and they will drop it in the mail |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:52:27 PM EDT
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amen update fostech sent me a new cnc detent cap havent gotten to try it yet but looks good the one i touched up was working really good but they didnt even really ask just tell them who you are and they will drop it in the mail |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:44:37 PM EDT
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According to their website, the ECHO is not 14 days out and they are offering $50 off for the 4th sale coupon code "ECHOIT"
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:53:25 PM EDT
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question... does anyone have the sear lock in its old form and new i believe i have the gen 2 original without the strap that goes arround the back what benefit does the new one have that dips down in the middle below the bolt carrier (the newest pic ive seen)
second i have the green springs in the weed eater fuel line bushing in and a snug cut carrier the only resistamce i feel is the trigger spring... now to lightening i have a zip tie holding the trigger back to try to loosen it a little has anyone disassembled theirs any further than the springs that pop out and what are our options |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:57:50 PM EDT
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and also the length of the trigger thinking of a slip on like hiperfire does on their flat trigger i think they call it a trigger shoe to help my finger back to the bottom of of the trigger it feels like its being forced high with this thing ruining some of the trigger feel
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Posted: 6/29/2017 7:01:52 PM EDT
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and hey we all knew we were going to be high priced beta testers pre ordering a product that wasnt on the market yet deal with it atleast it wasnt vaporware *end rant* thays not to the majority of you guys working with these things. we got an excellent system for what it is
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Posted: 7/3/2017 5:31:18 PM EDT
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Ordered my trigger less than 2 weeks ago and have it today. Took about 15 minutes, watching the video, and it was in. To the range tomorrow to see if I like it.
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Posted: 7/3/2017 5:54:00 PM EDT
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Ordered my trigger less than 2 weeks ago and have it today. Took about 15 minutes, watching the video, and it was in. To the range tomorrow to see if I like it. Also, does the safety spin 360 degrees? |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 6:45:49 PM EDT
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Can someone help my poor soul. I don't know if I installed it wrong, but I can't close it. When I pinch the hammer down w/ the hammerlock thing and hold the trigger, I still cannot close it (it's on semi auto). Is there suppose to be a gap between the hammerlock mechanism and the back of the trigger pack? I believe in some videos they touch against each other but mine I still see like 1-2mm of spring.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 1:33:50 AM EDT
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Can someone help my poor soul. I don't know if I installed it wrong, but I can't close it. When I pinch the hammer down w/ the hammerlock thing and hold the trigger, I still cannot close it (it's on semi auto). Is there suppose to be a gap between the hammerlock mechanism and the back of the trigger pack? I believe in some videos they touch against each other but mine I still see like 1-2mm of spring. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:41:27 PM EDT
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I solved my problem. I didn't know it required that much force to pull on the trigger (at least for me). After doing what you're suppose to do, it leaves about a 2-3mm gap between the hammer lock and trigger pack. I squeeze the trigger an extra 5-10 lbs, it moves a little closer. I then have to push the hammer lock to contact the back of the trigger pack and squeeze the trigger again to about 25lbs of force and it finally stays in place I can finally close it.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:21:29 PM EDT
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Trigger is very good in semi. Good in echo. Safety stops just like an M16. Does not go 360.
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Posted: 7/6/2017 1:35:54 AM EDT
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Malfunctions,
In semi, fires every time 100%. In Echo, if I have a 1 second pause in between each pull/release, it works 100%. If i try to dump mags in echo mode, 3 rounds out of a 30 round mag, I'm have to pull the charging handle, I find an unfired round with a light primer strike. I don't think its a real light primer strike. It looks exactly like when you pull the charging handle and if you just pull that round out without firing you always see the dimple from the firing pin lightly touching it. If i put those unfired rounds back into the mag, they fire and cycle the bolt just fine. What happens when I'm trying to dump the mag, I will find that I cannot pull the trigger like its stuck. I open the receiver and see the bolt carrier is all the way in the home position. I close the gun, pull the charging handle and put that unfired round into the next magazine. I called Pete at fostech and he says put in an H2 buffer because it sounds like I'm running faster than the trigger. I bought the fostech as it was supposed to never have hammer follow due to that sear like device. Its the original design as i preordered march of 2016, received it around late christmas 2016 or early january 2017. Since original install, I put about 18-20 mags in echo on 2 separate occasions and never had a single issue until this last sunday when at the range for its 3rd outing. I had people watching and seeing the malfunctions. 1 guy said he wasn't going to buy one now and another fellow said he was thinking about cancelling his order after watching what I was going thru. I took the bolt carrier apart and the firing pin is the exact same length as 2 other brand new firing pins. Im thinking about ordering an H2 buffer just to appease them and try it but I don't have a lot of time. I love the idea of it but it just seems odd they would tell me that I'm outrunning the trigger. Pete did say after trying the H2 and if I still have issues to contact him and send him my rifle. Thoughts? |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 2:02:08 AM EDT
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Notice the dimple in the hammer
Factory hammer, ran fine for the last few years, no dimples. Just paint scratched off. 
Oddball shape in the sear like thing? Is this normal? 
Looks like their bolt carrier is catching the sear like thing well. 
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Posted: 7/6/2017 2:11:06 AM EDT
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Sorry to anyone using an iPhone and clicking on my photo link, the visit Dallas advertisement seems to take over the whole page on an iPhone and I can't seem to close them, works on my macbook. Anyone know a better online photo storage with a mobile app to share photos like this on forums?
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Posted: 7/6/2017 2:40:44 PM EDT
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Photobucket s gone to hell
I would take the trigger out and see if the trigger lock has moved off or broken at the bottom before I bought a new buffer. |
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Posted: 7/6/2017 3:19:08 PM EDT
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Notice the dimple in the hammer http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah46/lh83/Misc/42A432E5-8F9D-4312-B639-276421371692_zpspkvx2jyi.jpg Factory hammer, ran fine for the last few years, no dimples. Just paint scratched off. http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah46/lh83/Misc/7B2135B4-C816-4DC8-8034-91A2C25CCAEB_zpsv3g6v5kh.jpg Oddball shape in the sear like thing? Is this normal? http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah46/lh83/Misc/DEB4FFCE-6420-4556-9095-5CC7821BEADA_zpsslqci5pu.jpg Looks like their bolt carrier is catching the sear like thing well. http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah46/lh83/Misc/E7207142-0E00-4863-AD92-56228154775A_zps2yfyf5kp.jpg The Franklin Armory BFS III uses a standard AR-15 hammer. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 12:09:14 AM EDT
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Photobucket s gone to hell
I would take the trigger out and see if the trigger lock has moved off or broken at the bottom before I bought a new buffer. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 1:44:44 AM EDT
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Pretty sure they are using MIM parts. The Franklin Armory BFS III uses a standard AR-15 hammer. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 1:59:02 AM EDT
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Is the trigger lock the piece that pushes forward with the bolt carrier at the back of the trigger pack? The item in image number 3 that I posted? 
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Posted: 7/7/2017 5:04:56 PM EDT
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Just got back from the range trying to use Golden Tiger ammo with hard primers. I used an enhanced firing pin but it was 50 50 whether it fired. I used the same pin w/ a Geisselle trigger and it works 99% of the time in my other gun so I believe the trigger is a no go with hard primers. Functioned flawlessly with m193 and 223 PMC bronze.
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Posted: 7/7/2017 5:36:35 PM EDT
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Just got back from the range trying to use Golden Tiger ammo with hard primers. I used an enhanced firing pin but it was 50 50 whether it fired. I used the same pin w/ a Geisselle trigger and it works 99% of the time in my other gun so I believe the trigger is a no go with hard primers. Functioned flawlessly with m193 and 223 PMC bronze. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 5:56:21 PM EDT
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Please do. I have 5k of them sitting around lol it needs to go boom!
Edit: I just bought the green springs w/ red hammer. I'm assuming that only the green springs can be installed? Or will it disassemble/can you disassemble the trigger pack to install the red hammer spring? |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 11:59:49 PM EDT
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just the green springs not the red one if the trigger hangs leave it cocked over night they come stiff
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Posted: 7/12/2017 2:14:39 AM EDT
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I removed my trigger pack and inspected it very close, it honestly looks 100%. Not a single thing wrong with it. However I looked at my buffer and it doesn't have H stamped on it. Does that mean it is a carbine buffer? I may get a heavy buffer and try that. Im wondering if the bolt isn't fully 100% closing. Ive heard that colt and other manufactures have switched to "H" heavy buffers because in full auto they bolt carrier bounces and then they find the hammer follows the bolt home and end up having to pull the charging handle. Im thinking that might be what is happening to mine.
My buffer is the standard black PSA buffer, no stamping on the face but has their logo on it. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 9:25:59 AM EDT
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I removed my trigger pack and inspected it very close, it honestly looks 100%. Not a single thing wrong with it. However I looked at my buffer and it doesn't have H stamped on it. Does that mean it is a carbine buffer? I may get a heavy buffer and try that. Im wondering if the bolt isn't fully 100% closing. Ive heard that colt and other manufactures have switched to "H" heavy buffers because in full auto they bolt carrier bounces and then they find the hammer follows the bolt home and end up having to pull the charging handle. Im thinking that might be what is happening to mine. My buffer is the standard black PSA buffer, no stamping on the face but has their logo on it. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 10:00:47 AM EDT
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I would definitely move to a H buffer. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 12:22:07 PM EDT
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Figured I'd report on my experience. I installed the Echo trigger in my lefty 300AAC Blackout AR pistol. Did the usual grinding of the bolt carrier to accommodate the new trigger. So far I've only run a few magazines through it, however it has functioned flawlessly in semi and Echo mode!
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Posted: 7/13/2017 1:46:43 AM EDT
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Figured I'd report on my experience. I installed the Echo trigger in my lefty 300AAC Blackout AR pistol. Did the usual grinding of the bolt carrier to accommodate the new trigger. So far I've only run a few magazines through it, however it has functioned flawlessly in semi and Echo mode! |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 12:22:44 PM EDT
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Are you running a piston blackout? 
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Posted: 7/13/2017 6:49:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhy did not you use the supplied carrier?
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Posted: 7/13/2017 8:51:00 PM EDT
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It's a left hand eject that's why he didn't use the supplied carrier.
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Posted: 7/14/2017 1:43:45 AM EDT
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I just tried the green springs and it still did not work with hard primer Golden tiger. :[
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Posted: 7/14/2017 9:10:15 AM EDT
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I just tried the green springs and it still did not work with hard primer Golden tiger. :[ |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 11:04:05 AM EDT
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It's a left hand eject that's why he didn't use the supplied carrier. |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 12:28:30 PM EDT
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That makes perfect sense now that I know you are a lefty. I did not read it before. Posting on my phone sucks sometimes because everything is so small. Areu running factory 300 or did you roll your own? I have run everything from 220 subs to my plinking 147 gr loads with not problems in my piston blackout with the ECHO. |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 8:55:50 PM EDT
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Yeah I used my enhanced firing pin. I'm pretty sure I put it back the right way. Such a pita to remove my anti walk pins everytime to mess with my trigger. If you guys have any luck please post it.
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Posted: 7/15/2017 12:45:32 PM EDT
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So far just factory supersonic ammo. Cheap stuff too (Mid American Munitions and Australian Defense). I won't get my can out of NFA jail until the end of the year, so I haven't tried subsonic ammo yet. 
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Posted: 7/19/2017 5:27:30 PM EDT
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Echo ARII trigger just released. No need for proprietary bolt carrier just standard M16/full auto bolt carrier. Original Echo trigger owners can purchase upgraded trigger lock ($25) to upgrade to Echo II.
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Posted: 7/19/2017 6:30:05 PM EDT
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Echo ARII trigger just released. No need for proprietary bolt carrier just standard M16/full auto bolt carrier. Original Echo trigger owners can purchase upgraded trigger lock ($25) to upgrade to Echo II. 
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Posted: 7/19/2017 6:40:40 PM EDT
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It no longer includes a bolt carrier yet is $479.00
I gave $339.00 SHIPPED for my Franklin Armory BFS III 
Unfortunately I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to use the Fostech for my 9mm build. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 12:21:28 AM EDT
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Echo ARII trigger just released. No need for proprietary bolt carrier just standard M16/full auto bolt carrier. Original Echo trigger owners can purchase upgraded trigger lock ($25) to upgrade to Echo II. I'm having light primer strikes with a trigger that is supposed to not have the issue, broken pieces, a heavy trigger that feels like garbage, and a safety that spins 360 degrees in which I am told is a design feature. Throw in the ridiculous wait time we went through for a half baked product and I'm pissed. /rant. I'll keep it technical in the tech forum. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:05:27 AM EDT
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The old end cap doesn't spin 360. The new piece that looks machined will spin 360 if your rifle doesn't have stops.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:55:29 AM EDT
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The old end cap doesn't spin 360. The new piece that looks machined will spin 360 if your rifle doesn't have stops. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:05:08 AM EDT
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I think it keeps the cost down when machining - versus the old part that was probably MIM.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 2:45:03 PM EDT
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The old end cap doesn't spin 360. The new piece that looks machined will spin 360 if your rifle doesn't have stops. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 2:48:34 PM EDT
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I got mine without stops last week. I also got the new style paddle/lever. I'm not sure if it's the one from the Echo II or not as I just bought the selector and lever, not a whole trigger system.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 2:56:16 PM EDT
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Normally I'm all for companies improving their product, but this time it really pisses me off. I'm having light primer strikes with a trigger that is supposed to not have the issue, broken pieces, a heavy trigger that feels like garbage, and a safety that spins 360 degrees in which I am told is a design feature. Throw in the ridiculous wait time we went through for a half baked product and I'm pissed. /rant. I'll keep it technical in the tech forum. If they will replace the MIM stuff Id be happy. I wonder if the wierd looking trigger lock I have on the repaired trigger is the new one. I need to test it out now |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 4:45:31 PM EDT
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Greetings! New to the forum and to this thread. I have an Echo.
What is your average trigger pull weight in Echo mode? I talked with Pete at Fostech and he said the acceptable range can be as heavy as 6 1/2+ on the initial echo pull and 7 1/2+ on the echo pull (full pull to release the binary disconnector) Mine was significantly higher than that as received from Fostech. And apparently, I may have an early edition. (from Gunbroker) Pete said to send it back and they will check it. I would like to hear from you guys before I sweat it. |
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