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Posted: 6/9/2014 10:11:11 AM EDT
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There are the Krink style flash cans:
-Noveske KX3 -Noveske KX5 -KAK flash can -KAK slimline flash can -Aero Precision slimline flash can And the linear comps: -DPMS Levang linear compensator -TROY claymore -KIES blast master linear comp -Kaw Valley Precision linear comp -Kineti-Tech muzzle brake comp, front concave ports -Black River Tactical covert comp -Simple Threaded Device For those who like the Ferfrans CQB modular muzzle brake device, you might be interested in the Kineti-Tech muzzle brake w/ sound redirect sleeve, and/or the Silencer Co. MAAD brake system. |
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Posted: 6/9/2014 10:25:20 AM EDT
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There are the Krink style flash cans: -Noveske KX3 -Noveske KX5 -KAK flash can -KAK slimline flash can -Aero Precision slimline flash can And the linear comps: -DPMS Levang linear compensator -TROY claymore -KIES blast master linear comp -Kaw Valley Precision linear comp -Kineti-Tech muzzle brake comp, front concave ports -Black River Tactical covert comp -Simple Threaded Device For those who like the Ferfrans CQB modular muzzle brake device, you might be interested in the Kineti-Tech muzzle brake w/ sound redirect sleeve, and/or the Silencer Co. MAAD brake system. Are flash cans more effective? Of the linear comps, are they all equal, or are some better than others? |
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Posted: 6/9/2014 1:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are flash cans more effective? Of the linear comps, are they all equal, or are some better than others? One thing flash cans are good @ is they're more tolerant of canted muzzle threads. I bought a LeVang, and realized I might get muzzle strikes b/c my bbl's screwed up. So I put a KAK Flash Can on it, we'll see how that does. In between I tried the 2 lb NC Star Golf Ball launcher, which should probably be added to the flash can list. 
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Posted: 6/9/2014 2:46:51 PM EDT
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what I need is a fucking blast sheild that i can quick attach in place of my surefire SOCOM suppressor. Fucking surefire, only provides brake or FL and you kind of out to use the brak on SBRs to protec tht eblast baffle. But then that shit is loud.
some outfit called simple solutions or something like that makdes a cone type shiled that you can put on YHM and AAC suppress mounts. They add zero additional length but keep the blast from comig back at ya, aslso, the brake still works about as well supposedly. |
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Posted: 6/9/2014 5:35:41 PM EDT
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The KAK muzzle devices are made of aluminum, which seems like a bad idea.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 6:06:21 PM EDT
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The KAK muzzle devices are made of aluminum, which seems like a bad idea. Well, you can get a 2 lb solid steel golf ball launcher for even less money, so you don't have to worry about your can melting, AND you can beat someone to death w/ it in lieu of having a bayonet. |
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Posted: 6/9/2014 6:07:29 PM EDT
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i picked up the BRT for my 10.5, 5.56
it is very nice to shoot and seems to keep the blast heading down range  |
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Posted: 6/9/2014 8:13:00 PM EDT
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Well, you can get a 2 lb solid steel golf ball launcher for even less money, so you don't have to worry about your can melting, AND you can beat someone to death w/ it in lieu of having a bayonet. I wouldn't be concerned with melting, but I would not rule out erosion, fracture, and possibly catastrophic failure ('splosion). The pressures in the barrels erodes the gas port on chrome-lined barrels, and chrome-lined CMV steel is tough stuff. I imagine that muzzle devices are almost always steel for a reason. |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 5:54:01 AM EDT
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there have been some 3d printed shotgun compensators that will hold up for awhile,
but shotguns are more volume and less pressure.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 12:20:58 PM EDT
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One thing flash cans are good @ is they're more tolerant of canted muzzle threads. I bought a LeVang, and realized I might get muzzle strikes b/c my bbl's screwed up. So I put a KAK Flash Can on it, we'll see how that does. In between I tried the 2 lb NC Star Golf Ball launcher, which should probably be added to the flash can list. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Are flash cans more effective? Of the linear comps, are they all equal, or are some better than others? One thing flash cans are good @ is they're more tolerant of canted muzzle threads. I bought a LeVang, and realized I might get muzzle strikes b/c my bbl's screwed up. So I put a KAK Flash Can on it, we'll see how that does. In between I tried the 2 lb NC Star Golf Ball launcher, which should probably be added to the flash can list. Gee... I hope your muzzle threads are not that canted. Between the couple that I have fired; Krink can and Noveski... BRT, Kries and Kaw valley. The can were better at recoil. But the linear comps were OK at reducing recoil and MUCH better at suppressing the flash than the cans |
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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:04:33 PM EDT
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How does a linear comp or flash can reduce perceived recoil?
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Posted: 6/11/2014 5:02:54 AM EDT
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How does a linear comp or flash can reduce perceived recoil? When the gasses coming out of the muzzle hit the endcap, or cone, an equal and opposite reaction creates a force that pushes the rifle forward, away from your shoulder. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 5:36:05 AM EDT
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When the gasses coming out of the muzzle hit the endcap, or cone, an equal and opposite reaction creates a force that pushes the rifle forward, away from your shoulder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does a linear comp or flash can reduce perceived recoil? When the gasses coming out of the muzzle hit the endcap, or cone, an equal and opposite reaction creates a force that pushes the rifle forward, away from your shoulder. Plus it brakes up the rocket exhaust effect part of the recoil. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:27:50 AM EDT
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Got some links to the physics of that? It certainly reduces the amount of sound pressure @ the shooter's ears, but you still have the same amount of powder gasses exiting the bbl @ Mach 5 in a down range direction. Unless you significantly change the direction of those gasses (traditional muzzle brake), there isn't going to be a significant difference in recoil btwn a bare muzzle & a linear comp.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:49:39 AM EDT
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Got some links to the physics of that? It certainly reduces the amount of sound pressure @ the shooter's ears, but you still have the same amount of powder gasses exiting the bbl @ Mach 5 in a down range direction. Unless you significantly change the direction of those gasses (traditional muzzle brake), there isn't going to be a significant difference in recoil btwn a bare muzzle & a linear comp. Unless it's huge, with a large baffle area, it's not going to do much, if anything, to reduce actual recoil. But I don't use them for recoil reduction, I use them to keep my fillings in place on SBRs 
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:10:06 PM EDT
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How is the flash with a short barrel like 10.5 with something like a BRT or Kaw valley?
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:11:16 PM EDT
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Has anyone used the simplistic shooting solutions brake shield? I feel like an aac 51t blackout flash hider paired with the shield could be a killer combo. No side blast and no flash. Only tradeoff would be the weight.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:28:11 PM EDT
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A snip from Simplistic Solutions on the brake shield(scroll to bottom of page):
The QD Brake Shield funnels the blast forward and prevents the concussive force from being directed back at the shooter or anyone immediately next to you. This option would be beneficial to entry teams that choose not to run a suppressor but do not want to ruin their team mates hearing or concentration. Obviously the QD Brake Shield is for shooters of all disciplines that want to keep the range neighbors happy and keep the fillings in your mouth from rattling loose! Exisitng versions are for YHM 5.56 and 308 suppressor mounts and the AAC M4 2000 suppressor mounts. The QD Brake Shield is made from 4140, parkerized for protection against corrosion and weighs 5oz. The YHM version simply screws on and attaches the same way as the suppressor does. The AAC version also screws on but employs a set screw that will need to be snugged to ensure the QD Brake Shield does not vibrate loose. The set screw comes with blue loctite applied with an allen wrench included. Here's the link to their page. Seems like a good idea, and I might get one for my YHM mounts. ETA: I just wonder how this effects what the brake/comp is there for. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:37:29 PM EDT
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Has anyone used the simplistic shooting solutions brake shield? I feel like an aac 51t blackout flash hider paired with the shield could be a killer combo. No side blast and no flash. Only tradeoff would be the weight. I've got a couple that I run on my YHM mounts when I'm not using the suppressor. They work, but they're not light. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:25:14 PM EDT
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My M4-2000 does a good job and doesn't piss off others at the range  |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:27:18 PM EDT
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ETA: I just wonder how this effects what the brake/comp is there for. I run one on my RFB when unsuppressed, it made no noticeable difference in the felt recoil, but it keeps it from feeling like you're being punched in the face with every shot from the side blast
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Posted: 6/11/2014 5:17:15 PM EDT
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I run one on my RFB when unsuppressed, it made no noticeable difference in the felt recoil, but it keeps it from feeling like you're being punched in the face with every shot from the side blast
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/ARFCOM%20stuff/IMG_20140219_181351_014.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ETA: I just wonder how this effects what the brake/comp is there for. I run one on my RFB when unsuppressed, it made no noticeable difference in the felt recoil, but it keeps it from feeling like you're being punched in the face with every shot from the side blast
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/ARFCOM%20stuff/IMG_20140219_181351_014.jpg Nice. Thanks for the info.. Their site says they weigh 5oz.. Which I'm not to concerned with cause these rifles normally carry the can on them 100% of the time because of the concussion. So 5oz. vs 18oz. is a good trade off. This seems like a perfect solution to that problem. I found them here. Is there a more reasonably priced place to get them, or is that pretty much what they go for? Also found them with the brake at the same place in a bundle deal. It's actually cheaper to buy them as a bundle rather than separate. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 5:32:17 PM EDT
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How is the flash with a short barrel like 10.5 with something like a BRT or Kaw valley? The BRT and Kaw Valley reduce flash better than a A2 bird cage on a 10.5 or the 11.5" tubes. Or at least I do not notice it as much (except Tula 55 gr it's really flashy) |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:04:09 PM EDT
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The BRT and Kaw Valley reduce flash better than a A2 bird cage on a 10.5 or the 11.5" tubes. Or at least I do not notice it as much (except Tula 55 gr it's really flashy) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is the flash with a short barrel like 10.5 with something like a BRT or Kaw valley? The BRT and Kaw Valley reduce flash better than a A2 bird cage on a 10.5 or the 11.5" tubes. Or at least I do not notice it as much (except Tula 55 gr it's really flashy) okay cool thanks. I currently run the ferfrans CRD, and altthough it is pretty awesome, my 10.3 throws a good ball of fire with m193. It would be nice to throw sound downrange but limit the flash at the same time as I have been doing a lot of cqb training. I feel like the simplistic solutions brake shield paired with the blackout flash hider would be perfect. If the BRT and kaw valley do a better job than an a2 however, that would def be a lighter and perhaps better option. Is there a noticeable difference in perceived blast and concussion with those as compared to an a2? They seem to always be compared to muzzle brakes but not the noise from flash hiders. |
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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:18:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:30:35 PM EDT
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Nice. Thanks for the info.. Their site says they weigh 5oz.. Which I'm not to concerned with cause these rifles normally carry the can on them 100% of the time because of the concussion. So 5oz. vs 18oz. is a good trade off. This seems like a perfect solution to that problem. I found them here. Is there a more reasonably priced place to get them, or is that pretty much what they go for? Also found them with the brake at the same place in a bundle deal. It's actually cheaper to buy them as a bundle rather than separate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ETA: I just wonder how this effects what the brake/comp is there for. I run one on my RFB when unsuppressed, it made no noticeable difference in the felt recoil, but it keeps it from feeling like you're being punched in the face with every shot from the side blast
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/ARFCOM%20stuff/IMG_20140219_181351_014.jpg Nice. Thanks for the info.. Their site says they weigh 5oz.. Which I'm not to concerned with cause these rifles normally carry the can on them 100% of the time because of the concussion. So 5oz. vs 18oz. is a good trade off. This seems like a perfect solution to that problem. I found them here. Is there a more reasonably priced place to get them, or is that pretty much what they go for? Also found them with the brake at the same place in a bundle deal. It's actually cheaper to buy them as a bundle rather than separate. WO is the only place selling them right now. Rainier used to carry them as well. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 9:26:46 AM EDT
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I run one on my RFB when unsuppressed, it made no noticeable difference in the felt recoil, but it keeps it from feeling like you're being punched in the face with every shot from the side blast
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/ARFCOM%20stuff/IMG_20140219_181351_014.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ETA: I just wonder how this effects what the brake/comp is there for. I run one on my RFB when unsuppressed, it made no noticeable difference in the felt recoil, but it keeps it from feeling like you're being punched in the face with every shot from the side blast
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/ARFCOM%20stuff/IMG_20140219_181351_014.jpg Yeah, I wish I wish I wish they made them for surfire socom mounts. I emailed them but they said it would be tricky. Maybe I'll buy an extra can and tear it apart I keed
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Posted: 6/28/2014 9:29:01 AM EDT
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so, the lightest A2 sized linera comp is the BRT fluted one then?
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Posted: 6/28/2014 9:39:54 AM EDT
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so, the lightest A2 sized linera comp is the BRT fluted one then? It appears so. Mine is going on my 12.5" Colt barrel tomorrow, hope to get to the range and try it out in the afternoon. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 12:32:24 PM EDT
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my brt is called the dragon cause it shoots balls of flame
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Posted: 6/28/2014 1:54:44 PM EDT
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It appears so. Mine is going on my 12.5" Colt barrel tomorrow, hope to get to the range and try it out in the afternoon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so, the lightest A2 sized linera comp is the BRT fluted one then? It appears so. Mine is going on my 12.5" Colt barrel tomorrow, hope to get to the range and try it out in the afternoon. Keep us posted. I still haven't purchased one yet. Waiting on some more hardcore reviews. |
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