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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:41:19 PM EDT
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Bump. I spent hours going through hundreds of pics to create this thread. I hope nobody minds if I keep it from archiving for a while.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 5:04:28 PM EDT
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Much appreciated! Thank you for this info.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 10:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocApocalypse: Bump. I spent hours going through hundreds of pics to create this thread. I hope nobody minds if I keep it from archiving for a while. I thoroughly enjoy the fruits of your search labor. Makes for a very enjoyable thread. Thanks for the pics.  |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:00:03 AM EDT
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Memorial Day 2023 bump.
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:25:24 PM EDT
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This thread is amazing. We need to keep it going!
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Posted: 6/16/2023 5:51:31 PM EDT
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Don't think this one has been posted in this thread. Looks like an A2 M4 upper on a fixed stock lower. Camo looks like tiger stripe to me.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:13:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DocApocalypse]
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Source
 Attached File"My Modelo Prison CAR-15. A rifle that I set up to replicate the carbine I used on that mission – the high point of my military career” – @vickers_tactical Unknown:  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 5:06:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 11:24:56 AM EDT
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Looks like the source website has added a paywall now even though they claim the photos are in the public domain.
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Posted: 9/12/2023 6:25:17 PM EDT
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Bump
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Posted: 9/13/2023 9:19:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocApocalypse: Bump Thanks for bumping and creating this thread, it's great. Sadly I had forgotten about it until I saw it at the top of the list this AM. Now I need to go through all the pages again! |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 9:34:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2023 10:30:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Parts on hand. Assembled this a last week. A2 upper on a M4 lower, 10.3” FSB and NT4 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/9A504DE5-3EA0-49E0-A077-40DAAFF50272_jpe-2951961.JPG Love it, especially the military ammo can full of worn USGI mags. |
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Posted: 9/13/2023 11:00:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocApocalypse: Love it, especially the military ammo can full of worn USGI mags. Well my location is Baghdad again. I did take out the burst trigger and used a SSF trigger that day. Put M4 14.5" upper and burst back in turning it back it that afternoon. Armor was bored
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Posted: 9/13/2023 12:16:06 PM EDT
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Bumb and tagscribe.
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Posted: 9/13/2023 1:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Well my location is Baghdad again. I did take out the burst trigger and used a SSF trigger that day. 
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Posted: 10/4/2023 3:55:42 PM EDT
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A soldier taking part in a rifle-qualification exercise during the 2008 US Army Training and Doctrine Command NCO and Soldier of the Year Competition at Fort Eustis, Virginia. Flickr/The US Army  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/28/2023 12:05:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Help me describe/properly name my current build
14.5” barrel on a A2 upper and m4 carbine marked lower, CAR handguards XM4? Does it have to be a N stock to be a XM4? Is a Circa 2002 Waffle stock a no go? Is there another name for a 14.5” A2 with CAR handgaurds and waffle stock? |
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Posted: 10/28/2023 1:39:10 AM EDT
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2001. CAR15 stock, carry handle sight, and plastic handguard.
US Army (USA) STAFF Sergeant (SSG) Preston Huddleston, 411th Military Police (MP) Company, 720th MP Battalion, carries his 5.56mm M4 carbine and 9mm service pistol while conducting individual searches of personnel entering Camp Iron horse at Tikrit, Iraq, during Operation IRAQI FREEDOM. 
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Posted: 10/28/2023 1:45:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mlin]
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A member of Navy Sea-Air-Land (SEAL) Team 5, sights in on a target with his M-4 carbine during a press demonstration. The rifle is equipped with an M-203 grenade launcher, Coronado, CA 1993
 Smoke rises in the background as a member of Navy Sea-Air-Land (SEAL) Team 5, armed with an M-4 carbine, patrols a field during a press demonstration 
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Posted: 10/28/2023 1:54:41 AM EDT
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Unusual C7 upper, M4 style barrel, CAR15 stock, plastic handguard.
Security personnel, one armed with a 5.56mm M-4 Colt carbine, escort GEN. Norman Schwarzkopf, commander-in-chief, U.S. Central Command, as he walks toward Kuwait military headquarters after arriving by UH-60 Black Hawk (Blackhawk) helicopter to visit Kuwaiti dignitaries in the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm. Schwarzkopf will also be presenting awards to military officials who contributed to coalition efforts during the war. 1991 
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Posted: 10/28/2023 2:06:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mlin]
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A US Army (USA) 1ST Special Forces Group (SFG) Soldier armed with 5.56mm Colt M4 carbine, uses a vehicle mounted radio, during exercise rehearsals at the Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC), Fort Polk, Louisiana (LA) 2001
 US Army (USA) 1ST Special Forces Group (SFG) Soldiers armed with 5.56mm Colt M4 carbine and 5.56mm M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW), train at the Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC), Fort Polk, Louisiana (LA) 
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Posted: 10/28/2023 2:43:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mlin]
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A few still images of M4 carbine issued as is during 1990s. No fancy optics, just carry handle sight, CAR15 stock and fat oval handguards. The last picture do show KAC RIS rail. Also noted all the photos of early M4 use peel washer for A2 bird cage & side sling swivel with M16A1 and M16A2 dual side adopter. If you care about these detail for your clone build, it is something reasonably documented in those photos.
These were from the coffee table book "America's Special Forces" that you can still find on eBay for less than 10 dollars. America's Special Forces Navy Seals   Green Beret  Rangers   For clone build, Colt LE6920/6921 that was manufactured for commercial sale from 2010-2015? would be the closest base model with little effort to make it to the early M4 specs. Obviously the civilian version rollmark and ground off selector stops cannot be undone, but you can also choose 80% lower route. CAR15 stock, peel washer, dual A1/A2 barrel side sling swivel mount, silver port door spring, ticked selector are easy to replace.  
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Posted: 10/28/2023 4:31:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Help me describe/properly name my current build 14.5” barrel on a A2 upper and m4 carbine marked lower, CAR handguards XM4? Does it have to be a N stock to be a XM4? Is a Circa 2002 Waffle stock a no go? Is there another name for a 14.5” A2 with CAR handgaurds and waffle stock? As issued no. Waffle stocks didn’t come out till 03’. Decade after a A2 upper would have been issued. However as anything in the system does get parts replaced as needed. Also the finish would be the Colt Grey and not black unless Arsenal refinished. Course you could call it a USAF GAU-5 which can use just about every part and combination in existence. 
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Posted: 10/28/2023 5:19:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:47:27 AM EDT
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OST. How'd I miss this?
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:19:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: SEAL Tm 2 in Scotland 89’ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/3A118FEE-1711-438D-8564-AF6E6DEC3FAD_jpe-3007012.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/1B9DEFB6-8220-4047-9739-661654B55B94_jpe-3007014.JPG Have seen pics of those SEAL team 653s with the M203s before. What were they using as a spacer between the 203 mount and the flash suppressor? Just a piece of aluminum tube? |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 11:18:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocApocalypse: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/271112/coltpic1_jpg-2763891.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/271112/coltpic_jpg-2763892.JPG Fuck MILES gear! Man I hated that awkward shit. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 11:52:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DM1975]
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First time I ever even heard of an M4 was when I was in the Marines in 95-96. Some FAST guys had them. My first one I had issued was in 2000 in Bosnia after going Army. Oval hand guards and detachable carry handle with the N1 stock.
 Attached FileI went to an M16A4 after that and was issued my next M4 in 2005. It had the rail and an acog. Still an N1 stock though.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 4:53:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: A member of Navy Sea-Air-Land (SEAL) Team 5, sights in on a target with his M-4 carbine during a press demonstration. The rifle is equipped with an M-203 grenade launcher, Coronado, CA 1993 https://i.imgur.com/2G05CtE.jpg Smoke rises in the background as a member of Navy Sea-Air-Land (SEAL) Team 5, armed with an M-4 carbine, patrols a field during a press demonstration https://i.imgur.com/dFzNNHD.jpg The machinegunner has an M60E3. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 4:58:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: Unusual C7 upper, M4 style barrel, CAR15 stock, plastic handguard. Security personnel, one armed with a 5.56mm M-4 Colt carbine, escort GEN. Norman Schwarzkopf, commander-in-chief, U.S. Central Command, as he walks toward Kuwait military headquarters after arriving by UH-60 Black Hawk (Blackhawk) helicopter to visit Kuwaiti dignitaries in the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm. Schwarzkopf will also be presenting awards to military officials who contributed to coalition efforts during the war. 1991 https://i.imgur.com/S0O6tNU.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: Unusual C7 upper, M4 style barrel, CAR15 stock, plastic handguard. Security personnel, one armed with a 5.56mm M-4 Colt carbine, escort GEN. Norman Schwarzkopf, commander-in-chief, U.S. Central Command, as he walks toward Kuwait military headquarters after arriving by UH-60 Black Hawk (Blackhawk) helicopter to visit Kuwaiti dignitaries in the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm. Schwarzkopf will also be presenting awards to military officials who contributed to coalition efforts during the war. 1991 https://i.imgur.com/S0O6tNU.jpg Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: SEAL Tm 2 in Scotland 89' https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/3A118FEE-1711-438D-8564-AF6E6DEC3FAD_jpe-3007012.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/1B9DEFB6-8220-4047-9739-661654B55B94_jpe-3007014.JPG The one @Combat_Diver posted could be an early model 723 or it could be a 653. Sometimes the only differences between an early 723 and a 653 were a 1:7 twist bore, A2 front sight post, and A2 pistol grip (but someone might've put an A1 grip on it if they preferred it). Based on the year, should be 723. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 5:06:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: These both look to be Colt model 723 carbines. The one @Combat_Diver posted could be an early model 723 or it could be a 653. Sometimes the only differences between an early 723 and a 653 were a 1:7 twist bore, A2 front sight post, and A2 pistol grip (but someone might've put an A1 grip on it if they preferred it). Based on the year, should be 723. Yeah, the Delta guy guarding Schwarzkopf has a 723, and I've always understood NSW used 653s until replacing them with 727s (same with the Ranger Regiment). The one photo above shows an M16A1 marked lower. Of course, it could have a replacement upper or barrel as well. |
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Posted: 10/30/2023 12:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: For clone build, Colt LE6920/6921 that was manufactured for commercial sale from 2010-2015? would be the closest base model with little effort to make it to the early M4 specs. Obviously the civilian version rollmark and ground off selector stops cannot be undone, but you can also choose 80% lower route. CAR15 stock, peel washer, dual A1/A2 barrel side sling swivel mount, silver port door spring, ticked selector are easy to replace. https://i.imgur.com/jo3pCm8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4Wzqvrm.jpg I love that build. If I'm not mistaken, isn't the two position buffer tube correct for that era? Or had they already gone to the multi-position tube? |
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Posted: 10/31/2023 12:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: 2001. CAR15 stock, carry handle sight, and plastic handguard. US Army (USA) STAFF Sergeant (SSG) Preston Huddleston, 411th Military Police (MP) Company, 720th MP Battalion, carries his 5.56mm M4 carbine and 9mm service pistol while conducting individual searches of personnel entering Camp Iron horse at Tikrit, Iraq, during Operation IRAQI FREEDOM. https://i.imgur.com/1Gb7701.jpg This pic would have to have been from at least 2003 if it was taken during OIF. |
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Posted: 11/3/2023 9:32:50 AM EDT
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Some slight differences from early M4 production to current. First older silver shims for flash hinder vs crush washer
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Posted: 11/3/2023 9:33:15 AM EDT
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Side sling swivel locking bar. Older had two sides for A1 and A2 diameter barrels. Newer just A2 and flat backside
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Posted: 11/3/2023 9:34:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/3/2023 9:37:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Side sling swivel locking bar. Older had two sides for A1 and A2 diameter barrels. I would love to find some of those for my Colt 6720's. Sadly I don't think anybody even makes them anymore. |
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Posted: 11/3/2023 11:53:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Side sling swivel locking bar. Older had two sides for A1 and A2 diameter barrels. Newer just A2 and flat backsidehttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/3E6F7001-1CB8-40A9-B165-FE54609CC91D_jpe-3014186.JPG What’s a good source for the side sling swivel these days? |
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Posted: 11/3/2023 11:58:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: What’s a good source for the side sling swivel these days? https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1572 |
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Posted: 11/4/2023 2:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECVMatt: https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1572 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECVMatt: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: What’s a good source for the side sling swivel these days? https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1572 Thanks, i was looking for these last night |
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Posted: 11/4/2023 2:25:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECVMatt: https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1572 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECVMatt: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: What’s a good source for the side sling swivel these days? https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1572 Thanks! ordered along with a a2 rear sight |
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Posted: 11/5/2023 5:06:09 AM EDT
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Getting into granular detail, would a Colt A2 upper marked C AF be appropriate for a 20in M16A2 or just the A2 carbine?
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Posted: 11/5/2023 8:19:56 AM EDT
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Great thread!
There is an extensive list on Wikipedia, though sure not exhaustive or perfect, but its a decent reference on the evolution of the M16 family of rifles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Colt_AR-15_and_M16_rifle_variants Between the two its a great source for retro builds, mine will be a 723 inspired build when its done. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:24:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:28:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:32:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:36:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2023 2:28:07 PM EDT
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Was there ever a configuration with the slick-side no-fa upper and the M4 barrel?
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Posted: 11/15/2023 2:30:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mechanicuss: Was there ever a configuration with the slick-side no-fa upper and the M4 barrel? |
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