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Originally Posted By hfrog355: I love the idea of the LAW folder, but after trying it, I determined it's just not my thing. I'm not a person who has much of a need to store a rifle in that manner though. Didn't like the NX8, hardly at all. I like the size and the weight, but couldn't get comfortable (admittedly in a short time frame) behind the glass, especially when you dial it up. Just not my cup of tea. Rifle looks bad ass though. RMR on top of glass sitting in a 1.93" mount is pretty high up there. How's the height of that compare to something like the Unity mounts? View Quote As far as the RMR height it is very comparable to the Unity FAST mount height for sure, moving it back to the rear made a huge difference on speed and ease of picking up the dot for me. I run a set of standards and I have no issues hitting time and accuracy with the RMR mounted how it is. I usually run it with the NX8 on 1x (if I dial power I have to do so with in the time constraint of the stage) and I run it with just the RMR). I can run the NX8 just as fast and well as a T1 on a 1.93" mount and the magnification really in range stuff is only used at 50 depending (I'll dial up to like 4 again part of the time portion not prior to), where it shines for me is PID and high value shots in close proximity type deals (Ala Chuck Pressburg's spiel on LPVO's) and the trade off of having a good reticle/daytime illumination a very good 1x etc. is fine for a tight 8x eye box for me. |
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Originally Posted By karmapolice: All fair things for sure, thanks for answering you had my curiosity for sure. As far as the RMR height it is very comparable to the Unity FAST mount height for sure, moving it back to the rear made a huge difference on speed and ease of picking up the dot for me. I run a set of standards and I have no issues hitting time and accuracy with the RMR mounted how it is. I usually run it with the NX8 on 1x (if I dial power I have to do so with in the time constraint of the stage) and I run it with just the RMR). I can run the NX8 just as fast and well as a T1 on a 1.93" mount and the magnification really in range stuff is only used at 50 depending (I'll dial up to like 4 again part of the time portion not prior to), where it shines for me is PID and high value shots in close proximity type deals (Ala Chuck Pressburg's spiel on LPVO's) and the trade off of having a good reticle/daytime illumination a very good 1x etc. is fine for a tight 8x eye box for me. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@wyoak41 Nice guns Brother. Thanks for posting em up. I just got an off the beaten path Firearm Type of Weapon Myself, a Desert Tech MDR. It has proven to be extremely reliably over the past 500 rounds. I guess I would call it My GoTo .308 at this point...It's interesting you are running an ACOG on Your Bullpup. After shooting with the Accupoint for a bit, I have decided to mount an ACOG on this rig, most likely it's going to be a TA11-E or E-G, for the increased eye relief. Hopefully I can find an E-G as I have come to really appreciate the green post type reticles offered by Trijicon. I have found this simple Green Triangle Post reticle to be of the fastest LPVO Reticles in My arsenal of optics and imagine it will be just as fast in an LPFO. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/484978/20200210_132012-1271197.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By minion42:
On the NX8: Do you find the tight(er) eye box is more manageable at 1.93" vs a more standard AR mount height? How is cheek weld? From my armchair, I'd think a lower mount would be better with a smaller eye box, but what do I know. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By hfrog355:
I ran a K16i in a 1.93" mount this weekend for the first time. It feels really goofy and shooting from prone starting standing on the clock was messy but 1x offhand was sweet. I'm a believer in 1.93" for dots, but it's gonna take a little more time before I'm all the way in on glass that high. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hfrog355:
Originally Posted By minion42:
On the NX8: Do you find the tight(er) eye box is more manageable at 1.93" vs a more standard AR mount height? How is cheek weld? From my armchair, I'd think a lower mount would be better with a smaller eye box, but what do I know. I AM DEFINITELY NOT KNOCKING THAT SETUP THOUGH, EVERYONE SHOULD SHOOT WHAT WORKS WELL FOR THEM, I do like the gun a lot |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus: Second this, it wouldn't really suit me mounting an LPVO that high. I can see fine over my PEQ's with 1.57" mounted LPVO's. Also, the nature of any weapon I can think of that would require a high mount is mainly fixed around center mass shooting where a 1x optic is the best choice IMO. I AM DEFINITELY NOT KNOCKING THAT SETUP THOUGH, EVERYONE SHOULD SHOOT WHAT WORKS WELL FOR THEM, I do like the gun a lot View Quote I'm using a mawl so my FOV isnt obscured at all, just want to see what the hype is. |
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Originally Posted By SurtrsFire: I've been wanting to try a knights 1.93 or 1.94 (whatever it is idk) mount for my 1-8 but I'm worried that I'm so used to 1.5 from geissele that I'll end up hating it. I'm using a mawl so my FOV isnt obscured at all, just want to see what the hype is. View Quote Go for it. I went from 1.54" to a 2.04" G mount on an NX8/11.5" setup and I couldn't be happier. I'm already eyeballing the Badger 1.70" for my 14.5"/ATACR.... |
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Originally Posted By oldbrowndog: @SurtrsFire Go for it. I went from 1.54" to a 2.04" G mount on an NX8/11.5" setup and I couldn't be happier. I'm already eyeballing the Badger 1.70" for my 14.5"/ATACR.... View Quote I'm currently using 1.5" mounts. I have tried 1.93" and I liked it, but I think the 1.70" will be perfect for me. |
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- 16" Mid-length (1/7 chromed) smoother recoil than Carbine IMHO
- 20" Rifle if you have some mountain sh*t going on. - Full length RIS to shroud barrel. w/basic flashlight ( don't need 1000 lumen, you need battery life.) - Full-stock for space because 1) I'm a long arm'ed guy. 2) Less to F*K with. - 5.56 for ammo because I don't fall for the "wildcat of the week" game magazines push. - 62-75GR ammo, usually 62. KISS, Accurate, Durable, etc. Does everything you ask it. Recommend Eotech for CQB majority and aim point for mixed engagement. F the short barrel fad. They are always the ones for sale, notice? It's what I'd do. |
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Originally Posted By heavytank2:
- 16" Mid-length (1/7 chromed) smoother recoil than Carbine IMHO - 20" Rifle if you have some mountain sh*t going on. - Full length RIS to shroud barrel. w/basic flashlight ( don't need 1000 lumen, you need battery life.) - Full-stock for space because 1) I'm a long arm'ed guy. 2) Less to F*K with. - 5.56 for ammo because I don't fall for the "wildcat of the week" game magazines push. - 62-75GR ammo, usually 62. KISS, Accurate, Durable, etc. Does everything you ask it. Recommend Eotech for CQB majority and aim point for mixed engagement. F the short barrel fad. They are always the ones for sale, notice? It's what I'd do. View Quote |
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It's very hard to beat a 14.5 middy for smoothness. I have a 14.5 pinned middy in an Aero builders kit with an A2 stock. Easily one of the smoothest AR's I've ever shot. I have yet to have a failure on it and I run all kinds of filthy ammo through that little whore. Steel case...lacquer coated, brass, whatever. I have yet to clean it....at 1000 or so rounds now? Spray in some CLP and wipe it down.
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Originally Posted By taliv:
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Originally Posted By karmapolice:
So refernce the 1.93" mount with LPVO. I have no issues with it even shooting at 8x in a prone position but I also have a long neck etc. I would want at least a 1.70" height mount for several reasons but again a lot of that is personal and what works for me. https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p640x640/71726690_2483327708569517_3435961780826800128_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=2MVhHuBMe-0AX87jQ-u&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=736d48b239baacd827e7b313fe24ea06&oe=5EC6A693 View Quote I suppose depending on reticle simplicity I could dig it.?. I just don't ever actually need more that 4x for anything under 300 when going for any type of speed shooting. I have a few 1-8's and have found them best suited for Mid range shooting on AR-10's and things like that. I am even having a hard time getting used to my RAZOR(which I only bought because I received a 20% off coupon from Geissele when I bought my URG-i Complete, I figured at $1,119.20 for the Razor and Geissele SOCOM Mount I had to buy one, that and a Comp M5 w/ mount for $657.60). I have just found I am much faster with 1x Optics and with the more I train, the farther I can successfully shoot 1x. The only LPVO I can even compare in speed is My Green Triangle Post Accupoint 1-4. Prone I'm very accurate at 400, pretty good at 500, deadly under 350. For me, the higher mounts are all about fast shooting or night shooting, anything over 4x has never seemed to do anything but make me shoot worse in those two classes of shooting. I wish I was faster with an 8x, but I suppose my hands just are not steady enough. For a GoTo setup(daytime, nighttime, fast, prone, hunting, Force on Force) the Triangle Post 1-4 provides the best all around results for Me. Maybe I will give a 1.93 mount a try on the 1-4. A taller heads up stance dose suit me better in most cases... It's certainly better when I'm wearing an NV Monocular. |
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Originally Posted By taliv:
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Originally Posted By taliv:
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Originally Posted By taliv: It’s a delta p designs mini brevis. Highly recommend them for an sbr View Quote |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
In regards to that Can. I was under the impression there is fairly sound evidence that width of Suppressors can't really decrease sound as effectively as length. What are your thoughts on this @taliv? Is it as quiet your typical 5.5''-6.5'' Can One might choose for an SBR. Say something like a Turbo K or SF SOCOM 2 RS... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By M-4matus:
Originally Posted By taliv: It’s a delta p designs mini brevis. Highly recommend them for an sbr i have no doubt that length is more effective than width for suppression, but width is still pretty effective. I have no experience with the two cans you mentioned, but i do have the 5" short thunderbeast 30cal can, and 3 of their 9" long ones, plus a few other 223 and pistol cans. short cans are louder, no doubt. and my subjective comparison is appreciably shy of authoritative. that said, my guess is it would be indistinguishable from a narrow 5" can. but the important point is it's much quieter than say, a 14" bare muzzle. and way way quieter than a 10" barrel, which are obnoxiously loud. It's not ear safe, but to my ears it's less than a 22lr pistol. that one stays next to the bed. if i had to shoot it indoors i wouldn't enjoy it but wouldn't totally lose my hearing. one other point of interest, for which i have an opinion but no data, is that the doesn't affect the action of the gun as much as my 9" traditional suppressors. i.e. not as much overgassing. when combined with the S setting on the noveske switchblock and the extra reciprocating weight of the LAW folder (added a few years ago before that pic was taken) it's really a smooth shooting gun. weight might have something to do with it too as it's quite heavy i would definitely buy one again. |
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Originally Posted By DV8EDD:
BCM SBR lower LaRue MBT2 B5 stock BCM 11.5 upper EoTech (have magnifier also) SNACH charging handle Troy backups Surefire mini scout GA Recce 5 Magpul or Armageddon sling https://i.imgur.com/f8GhOsj.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DV8EDD:
BCM SBR lower LaRue MBT2 B5 stock BCM 11.5 upper EoTech (have magnifier also) SNACH charging handle Troy backups Surefire mini scout GA Recce 5 Magpul or Armageddon sling https://i.imgur.com/f8GhOsj.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By taliv: I don't have a scale handy so don't know the weight off hand. short answer is, i think it's pretty effective, but obviously it isn't really ear safe, just takes the edge off the short barrel i have no doubt that length is more effective than width for suppression, but width is still pretty effective. I have no experience with the two cans you mentioned, but i do have the 5" short thunderbeast 30cal can, and 3 of their 9" long ones, plus a few other 223 and pistol cans. short cans are louder, no doubt. and my subjective comparison is appreciably shy of authoritative. that said, my guess is it would be indistinguishable from a narrow 5" can. but the important point is it's much quieter than say, a 14" bare muzzle. and way way quieter than a 10" barrel, which are obnoxiously loud. It's not ear safe, but to my ears it's less than a 22lr pistol. that one stays next to the bed. if i had to shoot it indoors i wouldn't enjoy it but wouldn't totally lose my hearing. one other point of interest, for which i have an opinion but no data, is that the doesn't affect the action of the gun as much as my 9" traditional suppressors. i.e. not as much overgassing. when combined with the S setting on the noveske switchblock and the extra reciprocating weight of the LAW folder (added a few years ago before that pic was taken) it's really a smooth shooting gun. weight might have something to do with it too as it's quite heavy i would definitely buy one again. View Quote Thanks for the info. Regards. |
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Originally Posted By DoctorLove:
@DV8EDD How do you like the SNACH. I was think about going that route View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DoctorLove:
Originally Posted By DV8EDD:
BCM SBR lower LaRue MBT2 B5 stock BCM 11.5 upper EoTech (have magnifier also) SNACH charging handle Troy backups Surefire mini scout GA Recce 5 Magpul or Armageddon sling https://i.imgur.com/f8GhOsj.jpg How do you like the SNACH. I was think about going that route |
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Originally Posted By DefenderAO:
@DV8EDD How is it gassed being suppressed? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DefenderAO:
Originally Posted By DV8EDD:
BCM SBR lower LaRue MBT2 B5 stock BCM 11.5 upper EoTech (have magnifier also) SNACH charging handle Troy backups Surefire mini scout GA Recce 5 Magpul or Armageddon sling https://i.imgur.com/f8GhOsj.jpg How is it gassed being suppressed? |
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Originally Posted By StarCityShooter:
Interesting. I may try this with the Armaspec version to see how it does View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StarCityShooter:
Originally Posted By M-4matus:
So, it official, my newest LMT Build is my All Time Favorite Firearm and *AR10* H2, JP Silent Captured Springs make SBR's and AR Pistols AWESOME. 560 rounds through it without a single failure and everyone that has shot it can't believe how light the recoil is. Virtually no muzzle rise. The reason for this is due to three key factors. 1) LMT Enhanced BCG 2)most importantly- AR10 H2 JP Silent Captured Spring 3) SF Warcomp. These three components will be installed in every AR I build with less than a 13-7 Barrel from now on. Follow up shots are just insanely fast, This is the best shooting AR Platformed firearm I have ever used bar none. *note, the green Pistol Brace is temporary, it is for my HRT Build that has not shipped from Geissele. This will be SBR'd and will be sporting an FDE SOPMOD https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/484978/20200203_090525-1261237.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/484978/20200203_090424-1261238.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/484978/20200203_092110-1261250.jpg I’m only at 400-500 rounds on it but its been great and I am going to install them on a couple more rifles. |
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Originally Posted By StarCityShooter:
@mc556 Did you go with the AR10 version? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StarCityShooter:
Originally Posted By mc556: I put a Armaspec in one of my rifles to try out. So far I am going to give it a giant thumbs up. I’m only at 400-500 rounds on it but its been great and I am going to install them on a couple more rifles. I will be able to do a back to back with with a regular setup vs armaspec in quick succession. I built a near clone of my main rifle. Attached File Identical uppers only the trigger optic and buffers are different. The A2 flash hiders will get changed out once I decide what suppressor qd system I am going to standardize on. I will shoot them side by side this weekend. I bought the Armaspec due to the JP price but like it enough I may try the JP setup in a different rifle. These two will be identical twins after I pick up another EOtech, B5 stock and Larue trigger. |
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View Quote I'm digging this Rig. Simple, short, tuff...All the things that are good in an M4. I am currently searching for this exact Lower. If anyone has an extra or a lead, please let me know. Also, I am jealous of your Elcan 1x4x, it is one of the only in use Issued Optics I have yet to Own, soon enough. Is this a Home Build? What year is this? |
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Originally Posted By MRW:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/DA56F2A5-93DB-4240-9581-FCC82E149EE4-1242423.jpg Spikes lightweight barrel with ALG handguard and homemade LED supplemented 1.5x ACOG. It also wears a light now. 5-300 yard capable. Simple and reliable View Quote Did you have to buy a special alg emr rail or use an mlok for the light mount? Im pretty much cloning your rifle but will have TA31RCO and faxon 18 gunner |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@The-Ant1-Liberal I'm digging this Rig. Simple, short, tuff...All the things that are good in an M4. I am currently searching for this exact Lower. If anyone has an extra or a lead, please let me know. Also, I am jealous of your Elcan 1x4x, it is one of the only in use Issued Optics I have yet to Own, soon enough. Is this a Home Build? What year is this? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By lafmedic1:
@MRW Did you have to buy a special alg emr rail or use an mlok for the light mount? Im pretty much cloning your rifle but will have TA31RCO and faxon 18 gunner View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lafmedic1:
Originally Posted By MRW:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/DA56F2A5-93DB-4240-9581-FCC82E149EE4-1242423.jpg Spikes lightweight barrel with ALG handguard and homemade LED supplemented 1.5x ACOG. It also wears a light now. 5-300 yard capable. Simple and reliable Did you have to buy a special alg emr rail or use an mlok for the light mount? Im pretty much cloning your rifle but will have TA31RCO and faxon 18 gunner M-Lok will fit the ALG cutout. Not perfect, but it works |
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Originally Posted By The-Ant1-Liberal:
Sorta...the KAC upper was sold years ago and the lower sat in my safe. I picked up a NIB DD MK18 upper last December from the EE and decided to do an SBR. As for the Elcan, they are choice...accept no substitute. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By The-Ant1-Liberal:
Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@The-Ant1-Liberal I'm digging this Rig. Simple, short, tuff...All the things that are good in an M4. I am currently searching for this exact Lower. If anyone has an extra or a lead, please let me know. Also, I am jealous of your Elcan 1x4x, it is one of the only in use Issued Optics I have yet to Own, soon enough. Is this a Home Build? What year is this? So, I just bought an MDR, I know, totally different animal than what we are talking about here, but. I have an Accupower 1-8 mounted on t now and it is just a bit too big and just does not feel right, sort of hard to shoot. This being my first Bullpup, I understand it's going to require a lot of training to get used to the platform itself. Either way, I have been thinking an Elcan 1x 4x would be much better for the MDR, mainly due to the length of the Elcan and the fact that I don't think the MDR Platform benefits much from anything above 4x or 5x |
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Originally Posted By M-4matus:
@The-Ant1-Liberal So, I just bought an MDR, I know, totally different animal than what we are talking about here, but. I have an Accupower 1-8 mounted on t now and it is just a bit too big and just does not feel right, sort of hard to shoot. This being my first Bullpup, I understand it's going to require a lot of training to get used to the platform itself. Either way, I have been thinking an Elcan 1x 4x would be much better for the MDR, mainly due to the length of the Elcan and the fact that I don't think the MDR Platform benefits much from anything above 4x or 5x View Quote It would work IMO and with its placement on the MDR, your extended arm wouldn't feel too much of the Elcan's added weight. Truth be told, I've been looking/contemplating at the Steyer AUG for sometime...something about the BP design. |
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eah, The Bullpup is a very different animal. It's going to take me a lot of getting used to. I bought it for hunting. Going to need to work on the trigger. The MDR has a pretty good trigger for a Bull Pup from my understanding, and it still sucks. Going to polish the Trigger Bars and we'll see. I hear Desert Tech has a different trigger for the new MDRx and will most likely be up for purchase or DT will offer it as an in house replacment option. I have started to get used to the current stock trigger, but having a 1/2'' long 6lbs trigger pull has been hard for a Geissele Trigger Fan like me to get used to. All that being said, The MDR is supposed to have a much better trigger than the Styr AUG Trigger, so it might be really bad... I think after 1000 rounds or so I'll have this MDR/Bullpup thing figured out. I have been doing ok out to 150. Of course prone out to 500 is not an issue, but One usually does not find Ones Self Prone while hunting Whitetail Deer in the woods of Maine. I also need to tame the muzzle rise, so once I get a decent MD on it I believe it will be much more shooter friendly. As for Recoil, that is very light. |
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Originally Posted By CaptShiess:
I think I’m done with this one except maybe an ambi safety. https://i.imgur.com/YExGefP.jpg This does my close up and distance. The malkoff upgraded head has the scout easily identifying targets out to distance. I’m very happy how this turned out. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By CMCctx:
That's what my Colt AF is turning out like. Nice to see what my plan looks like in real life! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CMCctx:
Originally Posted By CaptShiess:
I think I’m done with this one except maybe an ambi safety. https://i.imgur.com/YExGefP.jpg This does my close up and distance. The malkoff upgraded head has the scout easily identifying targets out to distance. I’m very happy how this turned out. |
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Originally Posted By boerseun:
It's very hard to beat a 14.5 middy for smoothness. I have a 14.5 pinned middy in an Aero builders kit with an A2 stock. Easily one of the smoothest AR's I've ever shot. I have yet to have a failure on it and I run all kinds of filthy ammo through that little whore. Steel case...lacquer coated, brass, whatever. I have yet to clean it....at 1000 or so rounds now? Spray in some CLP and wipe it down. View Quote |
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Since you said rifles other than AR's were okay, heres my Tavor. This is my "go to" right now. Aimpoint T2 on a Geissele lower 1/3 mount, MI handguard and a Streamlight. This rifle is just super compact and balances really well, while maintaining a 16" barrel and still being a rifle. I'm going to drop a G trigger in it at some point and spray the whole thing with coyote Aervoe.
Attached File My favorite AR for right now since we are in the AR forum. The Razor and mount will eventually go back on another rifle, but for right now I don't have another LPVO and I'm having too much fun playing with this set up. Attached File |
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