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Link Posted: 11/1/2014 3:34:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Finslayer83] [#1]
DSC_4962 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr
Link Posted: 11/1/2014 3:39:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Advance] [#2]
Just got my upper back from John Thomas (Retro Arms Works)!















The work he performed is exceptional! I now can finally say that I am finished and satisfied with this build!
















20" Mckay 1:7 chrome lined M16A1 barrel taken down to ~13"

















































Correct .625 FSB used:

















































Note the shoulder behind the crush washer:

















































Purrrrfect!

















































5 lbs. 13 oz. as she sits:






































<Headed off to get the good camera....>

















 
Link Posted: 11/1/2014 4:33:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/1/2014 6:12:40 PM EDT
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Yes - very nice! I love those IDF cutdowns...
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Can I ask what services you selected? Full barrel profile or just in from of the gas port?
I've seen his price list for everything but assembling an upper. Can I ask what that portion cost?

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Link Posted: 11/1/2014 11:57:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Can I ask what services you selected? Full barrel profile or just in from of the gas port?





I've seen his price list for everything but assembling an upper. Can I ask what that portion cost?
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Originally Posted By PFran42: <SNIP>





 






Can I ask what services you selected? Full barrel profile or just in from of the gas port?





I've seen his price list for everything but assembling an upper. Can I ask what that portion cost?
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Since I sent JT a complete 20" M16A1 profiled barrel, a complete re-profile is unnecessary. That said, on some of these barrels there is a little too much "meat" on the portion that the FSB will be mounted on so he may have to reprofile that specific section (that was the case with mine). From the research I have conducted, it appears as though variances in this area are common as that section of the originals was never intended for mounting a FSB.
















Here is a pic of what the barrel I sent looks like:

















































I selected the following services:

















- Cut and thread barrel





- Mount sight base

- Drill gas port in barrel





$20 - Assemble complete upper





- (FREE) Check headspace (if you want the headspace check
done, please send the bolt/bolt carrier you intend to use with this gun)





- Test fire and sight in (John Thomas supplies the ammo)





- Return shipping/insurance on a complete upper





- Reprofiling of barrel





- Entire barrel reparkerized  - John Thomas can reduce this cost substantially
by only reparkerizing the affected areas (muzzle device and FSB sections) but
there is a high probability of a color mismatch due to the nature of
parkerization.










 
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 8:57:25 AM EDT
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That turned out great!
Link Posted: 11/4/2014 11:45:20 AM EDT
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Thanks man! Never thought a completed IDF M16A1 barrel + barrel work would out-cost a Noveske SS w/GB combo but it is now what I would consider "special" and I am completely satisfied with how the whole thing turned out. I wouldn't hesitate to send all those parts off to John Thomas again.




His work is so good that I caught myself going through his website's Gallery looking for something else to build.
Link Posted: 11/5/2014 5:34:10 PM EDT
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CAR stock, fulton armory A1 grip (which was pretty rough for "good" condition), and the flat slip ring showed up today.

Also spoke to Harlan at Nodak Spud and backordered a retro lower.
Link Posted: 11/5/2014 5:39:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PFran42:

  Thanks man! Never thought a completed IDF M16A1 barrel + barrel work would out-cost a Noveske SS w/GB combo but it is now what I would consider "special" and I am completely satisfied with how the whole thing turned out. I wouldn't hesitate to send all those parts off to John Thomas again.

His work is so good that I caught myself going through his website's Gallery looking for something else to build.
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Originally Posted By PFran42:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
That turned out great!

  Thanks man! Never thought a completed IDF M16A1 barrel + barrel work would out-cost a Noveske SS w/GB combo but it is now what I would consider "special" and I am completely satisfied with how the whole thing turned out. I wouldn't hesitate to send all those parts off to John Thomas again.

His work is so good that I caught myself going through his website's Gallery looking for something else to build.


Noveske makes lots of barrels. Your barrel is probably one of a few dozen in the US.
Link Posted: 11/5/2014 7:19:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
CAR stock, fulton armory A1 grip (which was pretty rough for "good" condition), and the flat slip ring showed up today.

Also spoke to Harlan at Nodak Spud and backordered a retro lower.
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nice , don't forget to get a colt car style lock ring ( castle nut ) while your at it

edit : nodak has the colt car style lock rings
Link Posted: 11/6/2014 12:43:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1iviper:


nice , don't forget to get a colt car style lock ring ( castle nut ) while your at it

edit : nodak has the colt car style lock rings
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Originally Posted By 1iviper:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
CAR stock, fulton armory A1 grip (which was pretty rough for "good" condition), and the flat slip ring showed up today.

Also spoke to Harlan at Nodak Spud and backordered a retro lower.


nice , don't forget to get a colt car style lock ring ( castle nut ) while your at it

edit : nodak has the colt car style lock rings

FML, more "correct" parts to buy? You guys are killing me.

ETA: so explain what makes a Colt CAR lock ring different than a modern one?

Picture thread:
Excuse the blasphemy of a PSA lower until december.

Link Posted: 11/6/2014 1:10:25 AM EDT
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FML, more "correct" parts to buy? You guys are killing me.



ETA: so explain what makes a Colt CAR lock ring different than a modern one?



Picture thread:

Excuse the blasphemy of a PSA lower until december.



http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll241/ppcseniortrip/IMG_8857.jpg
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:



Originally Posted By 1iviper:


Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

CAR stock, fulton armory A1 grip (which was pretty rough for "good" condition), and the flat slip ring showed up today.



Also spoke to Harlan at Nodak Spud and backordered a retro lower.




nice , don't forget to get a colt car style lock ring ( castle nut ) while your at it



edit : nodak has the colt car style lock rings


FML, more "correct" parts to buy? You guys are killing me.



ETA: so explain what makes a Colt CAR lock ring different than a modern one?



Picture thread:

Excuse the blasphemy of a PSA lower until december.



http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll241/ppcseniortrip/IMG_8857.jpg




 
Oh yeeeah... That's gonna look NICE!
Link Posted: 11/6/2014 1:12:37 AM EDT
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Noveske makes lots of barrels. Your barrel is probably one of a few dozen in the US.
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Originally Posted By PFran42:


Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

That turned out great!


  Thanks man! Never thought a completed IDF M16A1 barrel + barrel work would out-cost a Noveske SS w/GB combo but it is now what I would consider "special" and I am completely satisfied with how the whole thing turned out. I wouldn't hesitate to send all those parts off to John Thomas again.



His work is so good that I caught myself going through his website's Gallery looking for something else to build.





Noveske makes lots of barrels. Your barrel is probably one of a few dozen in the US.




 
Btw, JT said that the barrel you sent him was one of the nicest M16A1's he'd seen in a long time. Are McKay's typically known to be a cut above?
Link Posted: 11/6/2014 2:22:40 AM EDT
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I've always heard good things about them. I'd like to hear how it shoots.
Link Posted: 11/6/2014 7:57:12 AM EDT
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What's the correct muzzle device, A1 or A2?

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Link Posted: 11/6/2014 8:17:54 AM EDT
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A1 I expect since they would have remounted the M16A1 device.
Link Posted: 11/6/2014 1:40:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/8/2014 8:41:27 PM EDT
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Meet "the wrong doug" this is my bastard sbr. Target acquisition is super quick with this setup and I actually love it.

Link Posted: 11/8/2014 9:29:13 PM EDT
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Meet "the wrong doug" this is my bastard sbr. Target acquisition is super quick with this setup and I actually love it.



http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/Jhart1545/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps4c11d63f.jpg.html
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FIFY

 





Link Posted: 11/8/2014 9:40:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PFran42:
Originally Posted By DirtDivision:
Meet "the wrong doug" this is my bastard sbr. Target acquisition is super quick with this setup and I actually love it.

http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/Jhart1545/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps4c11d63f.jpg.html
FIFY  

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps4c11d63f.jpg~original


Looks interesting but it may not fit here.

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Link Posted: 11/8/2014 10:22:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/9/2014 8:11:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

Looks interesting but it may not fit here.

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Originally Posted By PFran42:
Originally Posted By DirtDivision:
Meet "the wrong doug" this is my bastard sbr. Target acquisition is super quick with this setup and I actually love it.

http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/Jhart1545/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps4c11d63f.jpg.html
FIFY  

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps4c11d63f.jpg~original


Looks interesting but it may not fit here.

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Imagine it without optic and rail?
Link Posted: 11/9/2014 8:54:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DirtDivision:


Imagine it without optic and rail?
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Originally Posted By DirtDivision:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By PFran42:
Originally Posted By DirtDivision:
Meet "the wrong doug" this is my bastard sbr. Target acquisition is super quick with this setup and I actually love it.

http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/Jhart1545/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps4c11d63f.jpg.html
FIFY  

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i439/Jhart1545/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps4c11d63f.jpg~original


Looks interesting but it may not fit here.

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Imagine it without optic and rail?

and trigger, paint, and KNS pins?
Deal. No hard feelings from me
Link Posted: 11/11/2014 9:09:53 AM EDT
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cross-post from the sbr pic thread.  not really an IDF build, but KISS and retro-inspired

Link Posted: 11/11/2014 3:36:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By _hacker_:
cross-post from the sbr pic thread.  not really an IDF build, but KISS and retro-inspired

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nice

it's hard to get any more KISS than that

edit to add pic for the top


Link Posted: 11/11/2014 3:38:10 PM EDT
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One thing led to anther and the Izzy got a splash of "modern" on it.

Still kinda KISS......

DSC_4982 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr

Don't hate

Link Posted: 11/11/2014 3:41:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
One thing led to anther and the Izzy got a splash of "modern" on it.

Still kinda KISS......

<a href="https://flic.kr/p/pZJ4Df" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3956/15749452892_463abcaf39_b.jpg</a>DSC_4982 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr

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*posts this picture then instantly throws on a rail with weaponlight and vert grip*
BRD is a real motherfucker.
Izzy is lookin good tho!
Link Posted: 11/11/2014 3:44:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

*posts this picture then instantly throws on a rail with weaponlight and vert grip*
BRD is a real motherfucker.
Izzy is lookin good tho!
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
One thing led to anther and the Izzy got a splash of "modern" on it.

Still kinda KISS......

<a href="https://flic.kr/p/pZJ4Df" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3956/15749452892_463abcaf39_b.jpg</a>DSC_4982 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr

Don't hate


*posts this picture then instantly throws on a rail with weaponlight and vert grip*
BRD is a real motherfucker.
Izzy is lookin good tho!


Its been hard to resist - but this one will stay rail and suppressor-less. Its light and handy, one of my favorites.

Plus it takes all of 30 seconds to take off the dot and DD rear and put the A1 CH back on if needed....
Link Posted: 11/11/2014 3:50:49 PM EDT
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Its been hard to resist - but this one will stay rail and suppressor-less. Its light and handy, one of my favorites.

Plus it takes all of 30 seconds to take off the dot and DD rear and put the A1 CH back on if needed....
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
One thing led to anther and the Izzy got a splash of "modern" on it.

Still kinda KISS......

<a href="https://flic.kr/p/pZJ4Df" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3956/15749452892_463abcaf39_b.jpg</a>DSC_4982 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr

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*posts this picture then instantly throws on a rail with weaponlight and vert grip*
BRD is a real motherfucker.
Izzy is lookin good tho!


Its been hard to resist - but this one will stay rail and suppressor-less. Its light and handy, one of my favorites.

Plus it takes all of 30 seconds to take off the dot and DD rear and put the A1 CH back on if needed....

Very true. It is definitely hard to resist though. Kiss carbines only exist for picture time, then they get loaded up with rails and AN/PEQ-15's and surefires, until the next picture time then the standard handguards get put back on. Lol
Link Posted: 11/11/2014 4:28:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/11/2014 4:54:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/12/2014 10:36:13 AM EDT
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Where did you get that A1 detachable CH?  cncguns?
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 6:30:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/15/2014 7:42:27 PM EDT
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Anybody running an A2 aperture on their A1 or C7 upper?

I've got a like-new 723 style upper inbound from the EE, and I'm fairly sure it'll have an A1 aperture on it, but those suck a big one.

And so I think I'm going to replace it with an A2 one, because big hole/little hole makes more sense than little hole/slightly higher little hole.

It's sort of a moot point since it'll end up wearing an Aimpoint or clone anyway, but I don't see the point of hamstringing my iron-sights just to be type correct, if there is such a thing for a 723 or GUU-5/P.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 8:58:02 PM EDT
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I have two C7's and both sport A2 apertures.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 9:38:01 PM EDT
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I prefer the A2 aperture myself. I wouldn't use it on a 'historical' build, like my XM16E1, but everything else gets one.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 9:47:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HellioN] [#38]

According to the scale it's 7.8# loaded.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 2:20:36 PM EDT
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Oh look, it's a new one~



My $650 610 if I could do math frankengun.

Won't be so KISS after I toss the PA Micro on it and add a light, but for now it can live here.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 2:59:13 PM EDT
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Oh look, it's a new one~

<a href="http://s790.photobucket.com/user/DeadpanSnarker/media/frankengun.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/DeadpanSnarker/frankengun.jpg</a>

My $650 610 if I could do math frankengun.

Won't be so KISS after I toss the PA Micro on it and add a light, but for now it can live here.
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NIiiiiice
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 10:49:07 AM EDT
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so it looks like a fixed rear + flatop + 11.5 -13" is now kosher as an IDF clone

Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:07:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/26/2014 6:12:21 PM EDT
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IDF riot-busting rifle:  Suppressed 10/22!  

Link Posted: 11/26/2014 8:44:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:

 

Cops not IDF.
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
so it looks like a fixed rear + flatop + 11.5 -13" is now kosher as an IDF clone

http://i.imgur.com/hLPru7b.jpg

 

Cops not IDF.


KISS Rifles and in Israel - sure their not IDF - but still kosher
Link Posted: 11/27/2014 12:42:17 AM EDT
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Oh look, it's a new one~



http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/DeadpanSnarker/frankengun.jpg



My $650 610 if I could do math frankengun.



Won't be so KISS after I toss the PA Micro on it and add a light, but for now it can live here.
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Is that a build or a factory Bushmaster?  I've seen a couple of Bushmasters with C7 uppers, tear drop forward assists, 14.5 M4 barrels, and permanently

 



attached phantom flash hiders for sale.  Nice stick no matter what, especially for that price.
Link Posted: 11/27/2014 1:49:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:


KISS Rifles and in Israel - sure their not IDF - but still kosher
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
so it looks like a fixed rear + flatop + 11.5 -13" is now kosher as an IDF clone

http://i.imgur.com/hLPru7b.jpg

 

Cops not IDF.


KISS Rifles and in Israel - sure their not IDF - but still kosher



Israeli cops and IDF are not the same thing.  

That's right up there with "Milwaukee PD, USMC, same thing."
Link Posted: 11/27/2014 1:54:06 PM EDT
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KISS Rifles and in Israel - sure their not IDF - but still kosher
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
so it looks like a fixed rear + flatop + 11.5 -13" is now kosher as an IDF clone

http://i.imgur.com/hLPru7b.jpg

 

Cops not IDF.


KISS Rifles and in Israel - sure their not IDF - but still kosher


Good thing this thread is both, so we are solid!  I picked up another Colt 14.5 barrel, and I think I am going to build my son a flat top with the fixed sights.  He is catching the sickness...poor lad
Link Posted: 11/27/2014 2:08:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Formergrunt94:
Is that a build or a factory Bushmaster?  I've seen a couple of Bushmasters with C7 uppers, tear drop forward assists, 14.5 M4 barrels, and permanently  

attached phantom flash hiders for sale.  Nice stick no matter what, especially for that price.
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Originally Posted By AttackBadger:
Oh look, it's a new one~

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy181/DeadpanSnarker/frankengun.jpg

My $650 610 if I could do math frankengun.

Won't be so KISS after I toss the PA Micro on it and add a light, but for now it can live here.
Is that a build or a factory Bushmaster?  I've seen a couple of Bushmasters with C7 uppers, tear drop forward assists, 14.5 M4 barrels, and permanently  

attached phantom flash hiders for sale.  Nice stick no matter what, especially for that price.
Upper was built as a 723 clone by a member here, I got it off the EE.

It's got one of them $150 DSA 1/7 CL barrels with a pinned/welded A2X, the upper is a split-A (Anchor Harvey) C7/A1E1 with a large FA.

BCG, CH, and the whole lower group are PSA.

Still haven't been out to shoot it yet, waiting on my frickin' Micro mount & the A2/A1 sight tool I ordered from KNS.
Link Posted: 11/27/2014 3:16:51 PM EDT
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Not police

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