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Posted: 6/4/2020 12:19:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hojo15: In need of an optic for this clone inspired A4. Other than an ACOG what might be my clone correct options? Thanks https://i.imgur.com/g68BWe0.jpg Aimpoint CCO ie M68 CompM2 or CompM4. CD |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Izhevsk54r: carry handle + brownells retro 4x? https://cdn10.picryl.com/photo/2004/12/17/us-marine-corps-cpl-david-perinscief-a-rifleman-with-india-company-3rd-battalion-2c3753-1600.jpg That’s an interesting photo. That’s a Barska (Chinese) carry handle scope. I would think it’s something he purchased himself. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 4:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 86HMMWV: That’s an interesting photo. That’s a Barska (Chinese) carry handle scope. I would think it’s something he purchased himself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 86HMMWV: Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r: carry handle + brownells retro 4x? https://cdn10.picryl.com/photo/2004/12/17/us-marine-corps-cpl-david-perinscief-a-rifleman-with-india-company-3rd-battalion-2c3753-1600.jpg That’s an interesting photo. That’s a Barska (Chinese) carry handle scope. I would think it’s something he purchased himself. I saw a picture of a guy in Iraq with a Barska on a m4 several years ago. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 5:03:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Current contract grip example takeoff (Colt/FN/KAC), glossy finish: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200509-212213_Samsung_Inter-1409038.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200509-212227_Samsung_Inter-1409040.JPG Eta: pic of internal markings from a new Colt lpk (chalky): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200509-215553_Gallery_jpg-1409089.JPG That’s not the correct grip screw. Should be a stainless slotted head. |
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Posted: 6/6/2020 11:44:49 PM EDT
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This photo was posted by @nitmr26 over in the M16A2 subforum, in the pinned thread about lower forging variations. It shows a Sabre Defense M16A4 photographed at MCAS Yuma, AZ. I thought I would rescue it from Photobucket and upload it directly, in case it could be useful to people who recently bought the surplus Sabre Defense A4 parts kits. Hopefully he doesn't mind me reposting it (and adjusting the lighting a bit). This could make for an interesting custom engraving project:
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USA
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Posted: 6/7/2020 1:16:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: This photo was posted by @nitmr26 over in the M16A2 subforum, in the pinned thread about lower forging variations. It shows a Sabre Defense M16A4 photographed at MCAS Yuma, AZ. I thought I would rescue it from Photobucket and upload it directly, in case it could be useful to people who recently bought the surplus Sabre Defense A4 parts kits. Hopefully he doesn't mind me reposting it (and adjusting the lighting a bit). This could make for an interesting custom engraving project: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27888/Sabre_Defence_M16A4_SD10385_jpg-1450502.JPG Awesome thanks. I bought a sabre kit and the quality is superb, shoots insanely well for a non free floated barrel. Everything is super tight. The upper is noticably nicer than my brother's NOS FN A4 upper, which is also excellent. I believe their BCGs are microbest. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/7/2020 12:00:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: This photo was posted by @nitmr26 over in the M16A2 subforum, in the pinned thread about lower forging variations. It shows a Sabre Defense M16A4 photographed at MCAS Yuma, AZ. I thought I would rescue it from Photobucket and upload it directly, in case it could be useful to people who recently bought the surplus Sabre Defense A4 parts kits. Hopefully he doesn't mind me reposting it... @3ACR_Scout, I don't mind at all that you reposted that picture. I purchased one of the surplus Sabre Defence A4 upper receiver assemblies and mated it to a "new" stripped Sabre Defence lower receiver. It's as close as I could get to the USMC issued A4s without turning to custom engraving.   
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Posted: 6/7/2020 2:35:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nitmr26: I purchased one of the surplus Sabre Defence A4 upper receiver assemblies and mated it to a "new" stripped Sabre Defence lower receiver. It's as close as I could get to the USMC issued A4s without turning to custom engraving. That's awesome, thanks for posting! Could you share a very close-up (as close as possible that focus allows) photo of the dot matrix font on your lower? I'm looking for a way to replicate that on an FN clone lower, and I'm seriously starting to think that just a lot of tedious time with a fine punch and small hammer, following a stencil, will do the job. That electro-pen / dot matrix "engraving" is so sloppy anyway, I figure I don't have to be very clean about it. I'm just trying to get a better idea of the depth and shape of the markings. Thanks! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/7/2020 6:22:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nitmr26]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: ... Could you share a very close-up (as close as possible that focus allows) photo of the dot matrix font on your lower?... Here you go. I would have much preferred a rollmark, but options are limited when it comes to Sabre. I have to imagine Colt and Sabre were discussing the quality and consistency of rollmarks, when Sabre told Colt, "Hold my beer!"    To be fair to Sabre, the "Thudercat" rollmarks that came on complete factory Sabre rifles were pretty nice. My first carbine was a Sabre with a 14.5" barrel. I wish I had held on to that one.  
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Posted: 6/7/2020 6:36:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nitmr26: Here you go. I would have much preferred a rollmark, but options are limited when it comes to Sabre. I have to imagine Colt and Sabre were discussing the quality and consistency or rollmarks, when Sabre told Colt, "Hold my beer!" https://i.imgur.com/14Hb1yQ.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/ee1rhTE.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/kAVTUhZ.jpg?1 To be fair to Sabre, the "Thudercat" rollmarks that came on complete factory Sabre rifles were pretty nice. My first carbine was a Sabre with a 14.5" barrel. I wish I had held on to that one. https://i.imgur.com/rHU7YZk.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/F86wqvM.jpg?1 I have one of the 14.5" Sabre Defence carbines. Not going to part with it any time soon.  Attached File |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 6/9/2020 8:30:29 PM EDT
[#11]
Clones don't really do much for me anymore, but somehow the A4 sticks around and always makes it to the range with me. I need to get an ACOG and an old surefire to complete the look.
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USA
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:08:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper: Clones don't really do much for me anymore, but somehow the A4 sticks around and always makes it to the range with me. I need to get an ACOG and an old surefire to complete the look. https://i.imgur.com/tCDhYIT.jpg That’s simply perfect. If it were me I’d leave it just the way it is. I actually took my ACOG off and put the carry handle back on, it just felt right, and irons are fun. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:28:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c: That’s simply perfect. If it were me I’d leave it just the way it is. I actually took my ACOG off and put the carry handle back on, it just felt right, and irons are fun. Thanks! I love shooting irons with it as well. I'll probably swap back and forth depending on my mood. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:52:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar_mcadams: That’s not the correct grip screw. Should be a stainless slotted head. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar_mcadams: Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Current contract grip example takeoff (Colt/FN/KAC), glossy finish: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200509-212213_Samsung_Inter-1409038.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200509-212227_Samsung_Inter-1409040.JPG Eta: pic of internal markings from a new Colt lpk (chalky): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200509-215553_Gallery_jpg-1409089.JPG That’s not the correct grip screw. Should be a stainless slotted head. You got me.  And no hole for safety wire on A2, correct? |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 1:05:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nitmr26: Here you go. I would have much preferred a rollmark, but options are limited when it comes to Sabre. I have to imagine Colt and Sabre were discussing the quality and consistency of rollmarks, when Sabre told Colt, "Hold my beer!" Thanks for the photos. That's pretty hideous! It does give me confidence that I can probably replicate that font with a small punch and hammer. It would be a long process though. It's interesting that it appears to be pretty shallow. I don't think that would meet the depth requirements for labeling an SBR, for example. I guess that was a quick, cheap way of applying lettering compared to the press(?) used for roll marks or a CNC engraver. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 1:09:18 PM EDT
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For those of you that have been putting the newest M7RCO ACOG on their rifles, I believe they are model # TA31-D-100581 (thumbscrew mount) or the TA31-D-100582 (LaRue mount), where have you been getting them? Searching everywhere, they all are out of stock with expected ship dates of 6-8 weeks. This is all I need to finally get my rifle to where I want it.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2020 11:25:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrpett: For those of you that have been putting the newest M7RCO ACOG on their rifles, I believe they are model # TA31-D-100581 (thumbscrew mount) or the TA31-D-100582 (LaRue mount), where have you been getting them? Searching everywhere, they all are out of stock with expected ship dates of 6-8 weeks. This is all I need to finally get my rifle to where I want it. I found mine here on the EE. They turn up now and then. Might try G&R Tactical. He advertised one on his Facebook page a while back while his website was showing out of stock. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 6/13/2020 5:38:54 PM EDT
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Other than the Grip-pod, are there clone correct picatinny bipod options?
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Posted: 6/14/2020 12:45:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrpett: For those of you that have been putting the newest M7RCO ACOG on their rifles, I believe they are model # TA31-D-100581 (thumbscrew mount) or the TA31-D-100582 (LaRue mount), where have you been getting them? Searching everywhere, they all are out of stock with expected ship dates of 6-8 weeks. This is all I need to finally get my rifle to where I want it. I got one from PSA a couple months ago. They went out of stock shortly after. Even mid-range optics are getting snatched-up during this current panic. |
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Posted: 6/14/2020 12:48:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cayman_shen: Other than the Grip-pod, are there clone correct picatinny bipod options? The Grip-Pod is the only issued bipod that I'm aware of for the M16A4. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2020 5:15:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: StuartBoyer]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrpett: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrpett: For those of you that have been putting the newest M7RCO ACOG on their rifles, I believe they are model # TA31-D-100581 (thumbscrew mount) or the TA31-D-100582 (LaRue mount), where have you been getting them? Searching everywhere, they all are out of stock with expected ship dates of 6-8 weeks. This is all I need to finally get my rifle to where I want it. |
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Posted: 6/15/2020 5:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrpett: For those of you that have been putting the newest M7RCO ACOG on their rifles, I believe they are model # TA31-D-100581 (thumbscrew mount) or the TA31-D-100582 (LaRue mount), where have you been getting them? Searching everywhere, they all are out of stock with expected ship dates of 6-8 weeks. This is all I need to finally get my rifle to where I want it. EE 
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Posted: 6/15/2020 6:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYes, I remember asking you about that one a while back, with the silk screened reticle on the side. I can't exactly recall right now, but he person you referred me to either never responded, or he didn't have any more. 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/17/2020 7:07:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mb44kar]
[#24]
Just wanted to make a pic reference for people wondering about FN USGI bolts and BCG's. I've finally gotten both types (F and FN marked) so I will show them here and hopefully people can benefit from seeing milling marks and such.
Not sure if M16A2 FN's or used these same BCGs & bolts. "FN" marked example:    This next image is really neat. Shows the vertical/circular milling marks around the back of the BCG and the interesting milling marks which cut the flats on top of the portion where the hammer sits in the BCG. Both "FN" and "F" marked BCGs have both these sets of milling marks but this is best seen on the "FN" marked example:  "FN" marked example on the right/top, next to "F" marked example on left/bottom:   Here is a random comparison of the "FN" marked example to a GM Hydramatic M16A1 BCG, just because I noticed some cosmetic similarities. Horizontal machining marks present on both at the front, but a bit more subdued on the FNs & crazier on the GM.  As with Colt M16A1 BCGs, the GM lacks the vertical milling marks which travel down the back half of the FN BCG. I wonder if the horizontal milling marks can connect the two, more than just that they were milled the same way or not fully polished after milling. |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 7:31:52 PM EDT
[#25]
Not sure if this belongs here or not.
Bone stock Colt AR15A4 with a USMC adjustable stock kit. 
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Posted: 6/21/2020 10:47:36 PM EDT
[#26]
Took my A4 out yesterday and did a dirty 25 yard zero putting the legs of the chevron on the bull. Pushed put to 100 and shot better with it using a GI trigger than my 10 power scoped with an SSA . Very pleased with my Del Ton parts gun so far. It really like XM193 . Any other loadings I should look at?
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Posted: 6/24/2020 12:12:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Posted: 6/27/2020 1:44:41 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper: More progress on the A4. UID label and rear sling adapter. Need to grab another NSN sling for it. I have an M7 ACOG ordered, but I'm not sure if I'm going to run it on the A4 or M4. Pic thread: https://i.imgur.com/zKs3LAq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MAb7Mmm.jpg Where did you find the rear sling adapter? |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2020 4:43:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wally05]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vehemence: Where did you find the rear sling adapter? @vehemence : it’s a blue force gear adapter. They have two models. That is one of them. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 8:43:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wally05: @vehemence : it’s a blue force gear adapter. They have two models. That is one of them. Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 12:21:17 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper: Are there any photos of M600s being run on A4s at all? Or are they all 952s? More progress on the A4. UID label and rear sling adapter. Need to grab another NSN sling for it. I have an M7 ACOG ordered, but I'm not sure if I'm going to run it on the A4 or M4. Pic thread: https://i.imgur.com/zKs3LAq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MAb7Mmm.jpg  Certainly not official. But I thought this was interesting. Here is my A4 with a M600 Scout. (Old picture.) When placed in a IWC / HSP thorntail mount, (the long one,) it sits on the side rail and extends out over the grenade launcher gap and past the FSB. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 12:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redoubt99: Not the nicest but I love me some m16a4... <a href="<a href="https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/Real-life71/IMG_5450_zpson8yhkca.jpg" >[url]https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/Real-life71/IMG_5450_zpson8yhkca.jpg">https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/Real-life71/IMG_5450_zpson8yhkca.jpg">[url=https://s58.photobucket.com/user/Real-life71/media/IMG_5450_zpson8yhkca.jpg.html]https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/Real-life71/IMG_5450_zpson8yhkca.jpg I like the Tango Down VFG over the KAC. I have both. I wonder if anyone has used the short Tango Down VFG? Would the Tango Down be clone correct? |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 1:09:27 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote History@Jack_Flag Where did you find the forward rail? |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:41:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2020 5:10:36 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryThat straight up gave me a boner. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2020 7:09:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By safes2small: FN kit $535 not sure if a good price they also have some complete for $725 Their uppers are tempting....depends how drunk I get tonight if I order one...
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2020 7:58:49 PM EDT
[#37]
Had too much bourbon last night and ordered one. Then an FN stock from Sharkarms and a M16A lower from PSA.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2020 1:07:45 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbgonoles: Had too much bourbon last night and ordered one. Then an FN stock from Sharkarms and a M16A lower from PSA. I did it too....too much tequila and an A4 upper and an A4 PSA lower is now en route ..... Fuuuuu k |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 7:46:08 AM EDT
[#39]
I have all the parts to make another A4 minus the barrel, this thread is making it tough!!! If I finish it I’ll want to swap my acog over to it from my m4 clone lol
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2020 5:23:44 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: @Jack_Flag Where did you find the forward rail? @Lancelot It's a BCM Tri Rail Mount. A copy of this Cadex's. I bought a couple (sold 1 awhile bacK) several years ago. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2020 4:16:01 PM EDT
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/7/2020 11:37:23 PM EDT
[#42]
I'm sure this has been covered so I apologize.....But how were the Vickers two point slings attached to the front of the M16A4's when issued/used?
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IN, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2020 12:18:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hemiman: I'm sure this has been covered so I apologize.....But how were the Vickers two point slings attached to the front of the M16A4's when issued/used? @hemiman Blue Force Gear Rail Mount sling mount mounted on the side of the M5 RAS. They sell them along with everything else needed for the right sling setup on Blue Force Gear's website. There were some other ways to do it as well. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2020 8:23:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wally05: @hemiman Blue Force Gear Rail Mount sling mount mounted on the side of the M5 RAS. They sell them along with everything else needed for the right sling setup on Blue Force Gear's website. There were some other ways to do it as well. Excellent, thanks! 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/10/2020 2:58:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hemiman]
[#45]
Slowly but surely...Now that the two most expensive pieces have been bought, the rest is smooth sailing.
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Posted: 7/10/2020 7:45:00 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By safes2small: FN kit $535 not sure if a good price they also have some complete for $725 complete fn upper |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2020 1:49:46 PM EDT
[#47]
FN buttstock assembly from Shark Arms en route and so is a LPK...Should be finished with mine by the end of the week.
Also, if anyone has a line on a KAC VFG or has an extra they want to sell....Hit me up. I'm desperately in need of one.
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Posted: 7/12/2020 2:03:29 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hemiman: FN buttstock assembly from Shark Arms en route and so is a LPK...Should be finished with mine by the end of the week. Also, if anyone has a line on a KAC VFG or has an extra they want to sell....Hit me up. I'm desperately in need of one. Chris at SAC had the VFGs, not sure if he's out? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2020 2:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Chris at SAC had the VFGs, not sure if he's out? I believe they're out, but I sent an email anyway just in case. |
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Posted: 7/12/2020 2:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hemiman: I believe they're out, but I sent an email anyway just in case. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hemiman: Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: Chris at SAC had the VFGs, not sure if he's out? I believe they're out, but I sent an email anyway just in case. Good plan. The man's webpage is.....lacking. I've found it better to hit him up rather than guess. 
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