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Link Posted: 12/17/2015 2:52:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Phoenix_MB:
Sorry for my stupid question, but what does the RIS II better than the RIS II FSP?
Only saw a little quantity of pics of service men using a FSP RIS II?
I'm excited to read your points of fews and replies.
Thanks in advance.
Greetings,
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The FSP simply has a fixed front sight.  The non-FSP version has a full rail, so flip up sights are needed, or can be skipped all together if the user just wants to run an optic.

Some might see the fixed sight as an advantage in cost, and durability.

I personally see the non-FSP as a better choice because my view through the optic is not obstructed, and more importantly I can place peripheral equipment where I want them on as not to interfere with my grip.

Further, a full raill can be fully removed if disassembly is needed. Whereas an FSP version (if the muzzle is pin/welded) the barrel can be removed but is more or less stuck within the rail.
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Glitch

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BAN HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!  oh, my eyes!!!!!
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Just got the newer RIS II, think Il keep using old trusty for awhile longer though:

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What does the military use to install RIS II rails? I am assuming it is something other then the POS DD sends with the RIS II. It has to be one of the worst wrenches I have ever used, and it bends very easy. Has anyone ever tried to harden on of the RIS II wrenches?
Link Posted: 12/17/2015 1:34:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nicholasgentges:
What does the military use to install RIS II rails? I am assuming it is something other then the POS DD sends with the RIS II. It has to be one of the worst wrenches I have ever used, and it bends very easy. Has anyone ever tried to harden on of the RIS II wrenches?
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We had our attached machine operators make this for us in Astan.  I took one down to Kuwait/Iraq with me



(sorry, for the rust, it was sitting out in the ISU90 this rainy season when I took the picture, cleaned up now)


CD
Link Posted: 12/17/2015 2:10:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:


We had our attached machine operators make this for us in Astan.  I took one down to Kuwait/Iraq with me

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0587_rz.jpg

(sorry, for the rust, it was sitting out in the ISU90 this rainy season when I took the picture, cleaned up now)


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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By nicholasgentges:
What does the military use to install RIS II rails? I am assuming it is something other then the POS DD sends with the RIS II. It has to be one of the worst wrenches I have ever used, and it bends very easy. Has anyone ever tried to harden on of the RIS II wrenches?


We had our attached machine operators make this for us in Astan.  I took one down to Kuwait/Iraq with me

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0587_rz.jpg

(sorry, for the rust, it was sitting out in the ISU90 this rainy season when I took the picture, cleaned up now)


CD


CD thanks for the picture that looks a hell of a lot more durable then the one DD puts out. I might have one of my friends make me one of those.
Link Posted: 12/17/2015 2:57:29 PM EDT
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I probably used it on 6 DD M4A1 or Mk18 handguards this week alone.


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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:


We had our attached machine operators make this for us in Astan.  I took one down to Kuwait/Iraq with me

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0587_rz.jpg

(sorry, for the rust, it was sitting out in the ISU90 this rainy season when I took the picture, cleaned up now)


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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By nicholasgentges:
What does the military use to install RIS II rails? I am assuming it is something other then the POS DD sends with the RIS II. It has to be one of the worst wrenches I have ever used, and it bends very easy. Has anyone ever tried to harden on of the RIS II wrenches?


We had our attached machine operators make this for us in Astan.  I took one down to Kuwait/Iraq with me

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0587_rz.jpg

(sorry, for the rust, it was sitting out in the ISU90 this rainy season when I took the picture, cleaned up now)


CD



Daniel Defense actually makes better wrenches or at least someone makes them for them. I emailed them and they sent me out one of the "in house armorer" wrenches. Granted I literally have 6-7 RIS II style rails but their customer service is literally ABOVE and BEYOND!
Link Posted: 12/17/2015 4:43:39 PM EDT
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For those that have the DD marked rail covers with the RIS IIs, how are they supposed to go on?  I can't slide any on for the life of me.
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Originally Posted By brodband8:
For those that have the DD marked rail covers with the RIS IIs, how are they supposed to go on?  I can't slide any on for the life of me.
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They don't slide. They clip on basically. Clip the bottom on the push the top.
Link Posted: 12/17/2015 5:23:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stukas87:
Just got the newer RIS II, think Il keep using old trusty for awhile longer though:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j292/stukas87/DSC05419%202_zps0jhh741p.jpg
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how is the VCOG working for you??
Link Posted: 12/17/2015 6:55:08 PM EDT
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Old pic. In honor of Star Wars...



ETA: Well that doesn't seem to be working... Just trust me, it was an appropriate Block II pic. Will try to fix later
Link Posted: 12/17/2015 7:30:46 PM EDT
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Nick, I have a super beefy/hardened RIS II wrench. I'm gonna shoot you an I.M.
Link Posted: 12/18/2015 1:25:53 AM EDT
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Is it worth the SBR paperwork and money for a 14.5" barrel? My FSP build is just about done, other than a pin & weld or getting it SBR'd. I'm kind of leaning towards SBR for ease of assembly/disassembly. Even though once it's together, that's how it's going to stay.

In lieu of EOTech shitting the bed, I'll probably pick up a TA31 RCO for it.
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Originally Posted By akrox:
Is it worth the SBR paperwork and money for a 14.5" barrel? My FSP build is just about done, other than a pin & weld or getting it SBR'd. I'm kind of leaning towards SBR for ease of assembly/disassembly. Even though once it's together, that's how it's going to stay.

In lieu of EOTech shitting the bed, I'll probably pick up a TA31 RCO for it.
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SBR it. Make a 10.3" upper to go with it.

Link Posted: 12/18/2015 1:48:23 AM EDT
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how is the VCOG working for you??
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Originally Posted By Stukas87:
Just got the newer RIS II, think Il keep using old trusty for awhile longer though:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j292/stukas87/DSC05419%202_zps0jhh741p.jpg


how is the VCOG working for you??


Love it.. eye relief a little bit more finicky than a 1-4 Elcan  but the 6 power and the BDC which is more true to 5.56 than a Elcan makes shooting at distance easy.
I have the 5.56 55gr BDC still pretty damn close with MK262 77gr.  And its built like a WWII tank, I have fallen down a few times with the rifle hitting the rocks it has held zero.

Link Posted: 12/18/2015 2:00:32 AM EDT
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Bigger wrenches are nice.

Louis da best.
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Originally Posted By StealthGuy:


SBR it. Make a 10.3" upper to go with it.

<a href="http://s578.photobucket.com/user/DeltaBF2s/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_142.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss227/DeltaBF2s/Mobile%20Uploads/image_142.jpg</a>
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Originally Posted By StealthGuy:
Originally Posted By akrox:
Is it worth the SBR paperwork and money for a 14.5" barrel? My FSP build is just about done, other than a pin & weld or getting it SBR'd. I'm kind of leaning towards SBR for ease of assembly/disassembly. Even though once it's together, that's how it's going to stay.

In lieu of EOTech shitting the bed, I'll probably pick up a TA31 RCO for it.


SBR it. Make a 10.3" upper to go with it.

<a href="http://s578.photobucket.com/user/DeltaBF2s/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_142.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss227/DeltaBF2s/Mobile%20Uploads/image_142.jpg</a>


Damn you stealth.  I see this picture and it makes me NOT want to cut down my FSP
Link Posted: 12/18/2015 9:17:17 AM EDT
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Block II has grown on me.  Must have.  RIS search is on!
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Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5654/23453941439_6985a853d1_b.jpg



Bigger wrenches are nice.



Louis da best.
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Shit, I got this thread confused with the MK18 thread.

 



My big DD wrench is to the right of the little ones. I am pretty sure it's a factory DD wrench from way back before they made those "disposable" ones that are included with every bolt up system rail now. I think I paid around $30 for it from DD.




DSCN2977 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr
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That's not a BlockII. BlockIIs use the DD RIS II rail, not a modified DD M4 12.0 rail.
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Originally Posted By Bradders:


That's a real M4A1 with cut out DDM4 rail from the AMU
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:

That's not a BlockII. BlockIIs use the DD RIS II rail, not a modified DD M4 12.0 rail.


That's a real M4A1 with cut out DDM4 rail from the AMU

I didn't say it wasn't a real M4/M4A1, just that it wasn't a Block II. The Block II use a specific rail (the RIS II), which the one you posted doesn't have.
Link Posted: 12/18/2015 3:18:01 PM EDT
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That's a real M4A1 with cut out DDM4 rail from the AMU
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Originally Posted By Bradders:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:

That's not a BlockII. BlockIIs use the DD RIS II rail, not a modified DD M4 12.0 rail.


That's a real M4A1 with cut out DDM4 rail from the AMU


Link Posted: 12/18/2015 3:22:29 PM EDT
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Back on topic:

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Here is some of Stoner25mkiv's work. I am not sone with the camo job yet.
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A real what? Why am I looking at this?
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:


We had our attached machine operators make this for us in Astan.  I took one down to Kuwait/Iraq with me

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0587_rz.jpg

(sorry, for the rust, it was sitting out in the ISU90 this rainy season when I took the picture, cleaned up now)


CD
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By nicholasgentges:
What does the military use to install RIS II rails? I am assuming it is something other then the POS DD sends with the RIS II. It has to be one of the worst wrenches I have ever used, and it bends very easy. Has anyone ever tried to harden on of the RIS II wrenches?


We had our attached machine operators make this for us in Astan.  I took one down to Kuwait/Iraq with me

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0587_rz.jpg

(sorry, for the rust, it was sitting out in the ISU90 this rainy season when I took the picture, cleaned up now)


CD


Wait, isn't that just the same wrench you use to remove/tighten a buffer tube locking ring/castle nut? I haven't installed any of my DD rails in a while, so I don't remember if it's the same thing, but I know this thing is what I use to remove or install my buffer tubes. It looks very similar, if not exactly the same as what you guys are posting.

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Originally Posted By brodband8:
For those that have the DD marked rail covers with the RIS IIs, how are they supposed to go on?  I can't slide any on for the life of me.


If the ones in the picture above are the ones you're talking about, then yeah, they don't slide on, but mine aren't marked DD, they're marked "Ergo". Does DD own Ergo? These came with my rails, and I looked on the DD website, and not only are they exactly the same, but at the bottom of the page it says; "Manufactured by: Daniel Defence".
Link Posted: 12/18/2015 5:01:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Wait, isn't that just the same wrench you use to remove/tighten a buffer tube locking ring/castle nut? I haven't installed any of my DD rails in a while, so I don't remember if it's the same thing, but I know this thing is what I use to remove or install my buffer tubes. It looks very similar, if not exactly the same as what you guys are posting.



http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5782/23833171235_d54e3c8b7e_b.jpg</a>" />
If the ones in the picture above are the ones you're talking about, then yeah, they don't slide on, but mine aren't marked DD, they're marked "Ergo". Does DD own Ergo? These came with my rails, and I looked on the DD website, and not only are they exactly the same, but at the bottom of the page it says; "Manufactured by: Daniel Defence".

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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:


Originally Posted By nicholasgentges:

What does the military use to install RIS II rails? I am assuming it is something other then the POS DD sends with the RIS II. It has to be one of the worst wrenches I have ever used, and it bends very easy. Has anyone ever tried to harden on of the RIS II wrenches?




We had our attached machine operators make this for us in Astan.  I took one down to Kuwait/Iraq with me



http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0587_rz.jpg



(sorry, for the rust, it was sitting out in the ISU90 this rainy season when I took the picture, cleaned up now)





CD





Wait, isn't that just the same wrench you use to remove/tighten a buffer tube locking ring/castle nut? I haven't installed any of my DD rails in a while, so I don't remember if it's the same thing, but I know this thing is what I use to remove or install my buffer tubes. It looks very similar, if not exactly the same as what you guys are posting.



http://<a href=https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5782/23833171235_d54e3c8b7e_b.jpg</a>" />




Originally Posted By brodband8:

For those that have the DD marked rail covers with the RIS IIs, how are they supposed to go on?  I can't slide any on for the life of me.




If the ones in the picture above are the ones you're talking about, then yeah, they don't slide on, but mine aren't marked DD, they're marked "Ergo". Does DD own Ergo? These came with my rails, and I looked on the DD website, and not only are they exactly the same, but at the bottom of the page it says; "Manufactured by: Daniel Defence".

The wrenches are similar but the dimensions are slightly different. The castle nut wrench is a little smaller I believe.

 
Link Posted: 12/18/2015 5:24:29 PM EDT
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Well, maybe that would explain the different size on the other side?

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What make is that wrench?
Thanks
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:The wrenches are similar but the dimensions are slightly different. The castle nut wrench is a little smaller I believe.  


Well, maybe that would explain the different size on the other side?

http://<a href=https://farm1.staticflickr.com/650/23833828695_59b0c3473c_b.jpg</a>" />


What make is that wrench?
Thanks


Lol, no idea. I just have it laying around. I bought it a while ago. Maybe try Brownells? Sorry, lol. I buy most of my stuff from Midway and Brownells, but that's all I got (I know, that really narrows it down). There are literally ZERO markings on it.
Link Posted: 12/20/2015 1:31:14 PM EDT
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Gonna need some lights for my BII, what's the cheapest acceptable clone light out there?

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Gonna need some lights for my BII, what's the cheapest acceptable clone light out there?



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Prolly WML

 
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Prolly WML  
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Originally Posted By drewQ22:
Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Gonna need some lights for my BII, what's the cheapest acceptable clone light out there?

Prolly WML  



TLR-1?
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Originally Posted By drewQ22:


Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:

Gonna need some lights for my BII, what's the cheapest acceptable clone light out there?



Prolly WML  






TLR-1?
Yeah that's another good option.



I also got a Surefire Mini Scout M300c from arms unlimited for 185. They took like 3 or 4 weeks to ship it though.

 
Link Posted: 12/20/2015 2:40:38 PM EDT
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I was asked for a close up of the Docter sight on the SU-230 Elcan.  
So, here's one on top of a suppressed M4A1 10.3" URG.






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Originally Posted By drewQ22:
Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Gonna need some lights for my BII, what's the cheapest acceptable clone light out there?

Prolly WML  


Digging the WML, probably gonna go with that, thanks.

Does it matter if I get white/infrared or just white? I see the white has a higher output.
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Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Digging the WML, probably gonna go with that, thanks.



Does it matter if I get white/infrared or just white? I see the white has a higher output.
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Originally Posted By drewQ22:


Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:

Gonna need some lights for my BII, what's the cheapest acceptable clone light out there?



Prolly WML  




Digging the WML, probably gonna go with that, thanks.



Does it matter if I get white/infrared or just white? I see the white has a higher output.
If you plan on using it w/ NODs then the IR, If you don't then I'd just get the white due to higher lumen output.

 



I always wondered why white/IR lights always had lower white light output if anyone knows why?
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Digging the WML, probably gonna go with that, thanks.

Does it matter if I get white/infrared or just white? I see the white has a higher output.
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Originally Posted By drewQ22:
Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Gonna need some lights for my BII, what's the cheapest acceptable clone light out there?

Prolly WML  


Digging the WML, probably gonna go with that, thanks.

Does it matter if I get white/infrared or just white? I see the white has a higher output.


Be forewarned, the WML's are junk.  They have widespread issues with the body cracking (I've also broke the selector lever off one of my IR models) and I've managed to brick two of the IR models trying to change the high/low priority (using Inforce's directions).

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Link Posted: 12/20/2015 11:27:08 PM EDT
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Damn. Yall just saved me some headache. So tell me about the TLR-1

Pressure switches available?
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The WML definitely isn't anywhere near bomb proof like Surefire and Insight, but if your weapons don't see much abuse you'll most likely be fine. Just don't try to change that priority setting that jeffro did.
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Damn. Yall just saved me some headache. So tell me about the TLR-1
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TLR-1 HL is the best value in a weaponlight in my experience.

 







You can get a long gun version with pressure switch and regular toggle switch for around $150.










600 lumens, with decent throw. The beam can have some squarish shape to it at the edges, but it doesn't affect it's usefulness.
 













It's not really clone correct though.




The best value clone lights are probably going to be the M3x Insight lights, but their output kinda sucks.










Another option is a Surefire M951 with a drop in LED conversion. They are fairly heavy and big though.










Surefire M952V is about the same price as M3X, still with a dismal (blue) output







 
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Quick question; are acogs kosher?  I see the TA01ecos in the text list, but not listed on the excel sheet.  I'm also pretty positive I've seen a few w/ ta31's.  I have a block 1ish, pondering doing a block 2.
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Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
TLR-1 HL is the best value in a weaponlight in my experience.  

You can get a long gun version with pressure switch and regular toggle switch for around $150.


600 lumens, with decent throw. The beam can have some squarish shape to it at the edges, but it doesn't affect it's usefulness.snip  

http://cdn2.milled.com/contents/2014-07-28/b6EQnhNTL9avWHS5/nAisQ-IbaCJr.png



It's not really clone correct though.


The best value clone lights are probably going to be the M3x Insight lights, but their output kinda sucks.


http://www.cobratactical.com/assets/images/InsightTechGear/L-3-Insight-Tech-Gear_M3X-700-A35.jpg



Another option is a Surefire M951 with a drop in LED conversion. They are fairly heavy and big though.


http://www.armyproperty.com/images/SureFire%20M951_kit02_full.JPG



Surefire M952V is about the same price as M3X, still with a dismal (blue) output


http://closetquartermaster.com/image/cache/data/SF_M952V-TN-500x500.jpg

 
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Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Damn. Yall just saved me some headache. So tell me about the TLR-1

Pressure switches available?
TLR-1 HL is the best value in a weaponlight in my experience.  

You can get a long gun version with pressure switch and regular toggle switch for around $150.


600 lumens, with decent throw. The beam can have some squarish shape to it at the edges, but it doesn't affect it's usefulness.snip  

http://cdn2.milled.com/contents/2014-07-28/b6EQnhNTL9avWHS5/nAisQ-IbaCJr.png



It's not really clone correct though.


The best value clone lights are probably going to be the M3x Insight lights, but their output kinda sucks.


http://www.cobratactical.com/assets/images/InsightTechGear/L-3-Insight-Tech-Gear_M3X-700-A35.jpg



Another option is a Surefire M951 with a drop in LED conversion. They are fairly heavy and big though.


http://www.armyproperty.com/images/SureFire%20M951_kit02_full.JPG



Surefire M952V is about the same price as M3X, still with a dismal (blue) output


http://closetquartermaster.com/image/cache/data/SF_M952V-TN-500x500.jpg

 


Great post, thanks. Looks like besides the M951/952 that the M600V Scout in tan is also in use a decent amount? I'm looking at a 951 for $100, a 952 for $190, or a M600V in tan for $225. Spend my money Also looking at an M3X available for $140.

MILSPEC, I don't beat my stuff up on purpose, but my storage situation sometimes means all my shit is thrown in a pelican case and locked, so it does get bumped around a decent bit going to and from the range.
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