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Link Posted: 3/11/2019 9:23:32 PM EDT
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thats cool and makes sense. people freak out over DD nowadays (politics) but they make some pretty sweet barrels.

finally sourced an earlier colt upper and i'm pretty stoked about it. raised c anchor harvey forging. looks like a true mod 0 build with mostly period correct parts is in the works.

Link Posted: 3/11/2019 9:34:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JLAudio:

thats cool and makes sense. people freak out over DD nowadays (politics) but they make some pretty sweet barrels.

finally sourced an earlier colt upper and i'm pretty stoked about it. raised c anchor harvey forging. looks like a true mod 0 build with mostly period correct parts is in the works.

https://i.imgur.com/cER4Vp8.jpg
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Nice, dude! I’m looking at possibly 2-3 mos for Knight’s to reproduce the RIS with the correctly labeled lower rail. So my Mod 0 URG will be incomplete for a while.
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 9:36:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By krdt:
Well, well... looks like I get to use my preferred barrel and be correct at the same time :D.

Admittedly, I wasn't exactly losing sleep over whether my DD barrels were 100% confirmed correct; but if they are, so much the better.
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Originally Posted By krdt:
Well, well... looks like I get to use my preferred barrel and be correct at the same time :D.

Admittedly, I wasn't exactly losing sleep over whether my DD barrels were 100% confirmed correct; but if they are, so much the better.
Speaking of Daniel Defense,. does anyone know the diameter of the gas p ort on DD 10.3 barrels?  I bought min elast year during their event, and I see now that apparently the gas port is supposed to be widened or something for a Mk.18...  I sent them an email asking about it, but they haven't responded yet.
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 9:37:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Akin:
Speaking of Daniel Defense,. does anyone know the diameter of the gas p ort on DD 10.3 barrels?  I bought min elast year during their event, and I see now that apparently the gas port is supposed to be widened or something for a Mk.18...  I sent them an email asking about it, but they haven't responded yet.
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Originally Posted By Akin:
Originally Posted By krdt:
Well, well... looks like I get to use my preferred barrel and be correct at the same time :D.

Admittedly, I wasn't exactly losing sleep over whether my DD barrels were 100% confirmed correct; but if they are, so much the better.
Speaking of Daniel Defense,. does anyone know the diameter of the gas p ort on DD 10.3 barrels?  I bought min elast year during their event, and I see now that apparently the gas port is supposed to be widened or something for a Mk.18...  I sent them an email asking about it, but they haven't responded yet.
It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 9:41:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
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Well... I bought it last summer.  Is there any way to tell when it was manufactured?
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 9:48:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Akin:
Well... I bought it last summer.  Is there any way to tell when it was manufactured?
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Originally Posted By Akin:
Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
Well... I bought it last summer.  Is there any way to tell when it was manufactured?
Given the time frame purchased, chances are good it's .070". If you still have the original packaging, you can probably find out exactly when it was manufactured. Otherwise, I'm not sure you'll be able to tell unless it's new enough to have an Mk12 gas block versus the older single taper pinned low profile block.

In any event, you'll be able to tell just by firing it whether you have .070" or .082" - if it can still function with an H3 and Sprinco Red, you'll know you have a .082" ;p.
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 10:41:50 PM EDT
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It’s a work in progress


Link Posted: 3/11/2019 10:44:59 PM EDT
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Got the big pieces out of the way.  What 10.3" barrel is everyone using?


Found this Vero Beach marked NT4 to go with it.
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Link Posted: 3/11/2019 10:58:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
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Link Posted: 3/11/2019 10:59:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
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June/July of 2017 is when they made the switch to .070
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 11:37:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShortyB:
June/July of 2017 is when they made the switch to .070
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Originally Posted By ShortyB:
Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
June/July of 2017 is when they made the switch to .070
One of my DD Mk18 URGs had an inspection date of 04/20/17 and it has a .070" port; I've also heard of a few others from March 2017 that had .070" as well.
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 11:47:10 PM EDT
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@MILSPEC556

All roads lead to gas port sizes.
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 11:53:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11b4v:

I'm with you here ref the SF lights; just traded for a reissue M952V and really like the high lumen output.  Only reason I have a WMX200 is that I found it in an out of the way gunshop a few years and was able to talk the shop owner down from $300 to $150.
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If you ever want to double your money on that WMX200 hit me up
Link Posted: 3/11/2019 11:59:37 PM EDT
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This.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 12:05:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By krdt:

One of my DD Mk18 URGs had an inspection date of 04/20/17 and it has a .070" port; I've also heard of a few others from March 2017 that had .070" as well.
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My intel came direct from a phone conversation I had with Daniel Defense.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 12:57:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
@MILSPEC556

All roads lead to gas port sizes.
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What goes around has already gone around. What goeth will cometh. All roads lead to gas port diameter pissing match
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 9:09:58 AM EDT
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Who offers today a reasonable MK18 Mod O Socom (10.3" with Front Sight) upper?
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 9:49:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WSAR15:
Who offers today a reasonable MK18 Mod O Socom (10.3" with Front Sight) upper?
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Thoroughbread seems like the cheapest at $870.

It might be cheaper to actually build it, I have about $650 into mine from EE parts including the colt barrel sent to adco to do their magic.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 9:52:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

What goes around has already gone around. What goeth will cometh. All roads lead to gas port diameter pissing match
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As it has been before, so it shall always be.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 9:58:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:

Thoroughbread seems like the cheapest at $870.

It might be cheaper to actually build it, I have about $650 into mine from EE parts including the colt barrel sent to adco to do their magic.
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I found one at DSA for $549 - wonder if its GTG https://dsarms.com/p-17126-ds-arms-ar15-mk18-103-556x45mm-service-series-upper-receiver-assembly.aspx
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 10:21:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WSAR15:

I found one at DSA for $549 - wonder if its GTG https://dsarms.com/p-17126-ds-arms-ar15-mk18-103-556x45mm-service-series-upper-receiver-assembly.aspx
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Andro also sells an upper or just barrel assembly.
I've had good luck with dsa in the past too.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 11:57:26 AM EDT
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Does anybody actually prefer the MK18/Block I over the cqbr Block II?
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 12:23:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Does anybody actually prefer the MK18/Block I over the cqbr Block II?
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NO
block ll is best block

Kidding aside I like both. The simplicity of block l is awesome and the over the top look on the block ll is just sick.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 12:43:48 PM EDT
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Why is the heavier 77-grain Mk 262 cartridge preferred in these rifles?
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 4:22:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wissota4:

Andro also sells an upper or just barrel assembly.
I've had good luck with dsa in the past too.
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So people trust DSA?  Not bad for a Mk18 Mod 0 barrel...DSA MK18 Mod 0 Barrel

It’s not Colt or DD, but it’s chrome-lined and all that jazz.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 6:48:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WSAR15:
Why is the heavier 77-grain Mk 262 cartridge preferred in these rifles?
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Terminal effectiveness is much better vs. 55s/62s. Velocity loss and it’s impact isn’t as bad with heavier rounds.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 7:52:57 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/12/2019 7:53:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JLAudio:
If anyone needs a TD Shorty QD stubby grip in FDE, Euro Optic has an unbelievable price on them. These have been out of stock everywhere for a while.

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Now Says......

"This product has been discontinued"
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 8:03:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Teamafx:

Now Says......

"This product has been discontinued"
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Yep I noticed that. They had them listed for $49, shipping was about $9. Kdrt likely got the last one they had in stock, mine is on back order with them.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 9:04:19 PM EDT
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10.3" CQBR Block II Upper done:

Parts list, all new:

Colt Keyhole Upper
10.3" Virgin Colt Factory Barrel
MK12 Gas Block
SF4P
KAC 300m Rear
KAC Taupe 99051 Front
Colt BCG/CH
EXPS3-0 in Tan with SU231A laser markings

Link Posted: 3/12/2019 9:30:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShortyB:
June/July of 2017 is when they made the switch to .070
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Originally Posted By ShortyB:
Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
June/July of 2017 is when they made the switch to .070
I bought one of the 10.3 DD barrels from Western Sport a few years ago when they had a sale. The gas port is .070"
It's not too hard to measure to see if its .070 or a larger size.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 9:59:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sawgunner73:
I bought one of the 10.3 DD barrels from Western Sport a few years ago when they had a sale. The gas port is .070"
It's not too hard to measure to see if its .070 or a larger size.
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Originally Posted By sawgunner73:
Originally Posted By ShortyB:
Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
June/July of 2017 is when they made the switch to .070
I bought one of the 10.3 DD barrels from Western Sport a few years ago when they had a sale. The gas port is .070"
It's not too hard to measure to see if its .070 or a larger size.
The ones Western Sport sold were from a contract overrun. It wasn't until some time later that DD changed the gas port diameter on their commercial 10.3" barrels.
Link Posted: 3/12/2019 10:42:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sawgunner73:

I bought one of the 10.3 DD barrels from Western Sport a few years ago when they had a sale. The gas port is .070"
It's not too hard to measure to see if its .070 or a larger size.
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I have one of those Western Sport overruns as well.  
What I was referring to was when DD began using.070 for all
10.3 barrels,
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 12:23:23 AM EDT
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Black phase tactical has a couple of colt stripped uppers in stock in case anyone is on the hunt. I believe they are cage code marked.
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 12:33:47 AM EDT
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I need help.  
Barrel is not centered in RIS II when looking from muzzle end. I’ve
Disassembled this twice. I don’t know everything but have been building ARs for 20 years and 8-10 RIS II uppers.  
Could the face of the receiver cause this?
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 12:42:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShortyB:
I need help.  
Barrel is not centered in RIS II when looking from muzzle end. I’ve
Disassembled this twice. I don’t know everything but have been building ARs for 20 years and 8-10 RIS II uppers.  
Could the face of the receiver cause this?
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I ran into this issue before as did another member at the same time- a new mount up plate got both of us squared away. We got them for free via Caroline Britton @ Daniel Defense
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 12:55:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:

I ran into this issue before as did another member at the same time- a new mount up plate got both of us squared away. We got them for free via Caroline Britton @ Daniel Defense
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Thank you
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 8:27:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By krdt:
Given the time frame purchased, chances are good it's .070". If you still have the original packaging, you can probably find out exactly when it was manufactured. Otherwise, I'm not sure you'll be able to tell unless it's new enough to have an Mk12 gas block versus the older single taper pinned low profile block.

In any event, you'll be able to tell just by firing it whether you have .070" or .082" - if it can still function with an H3 and Sprinco Red, you'll know you have a .082" ;p.
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Originally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By Akin:
Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
Well... I bought it last summer.  Is there any way to tell when it was manufactured?
Given the time frame purchased, chances are good it's .070". If you still have the original packaging, you can probably find out exactly when it was manufactured. Otherwise, I'm not sure you'll be able to tell unless it's new enough to have an Mk12 gas block versus the older single taper pinned low profile block.

In any event, you'll be able to tell just by firing it whether you have .070" or .082" - if it can still function with an H3 and Sprinco Red, you'll know you have a .082" ;p.
It has the low profile gas block with a single pin, which I actually thought was identical to a mk.12 gas block?

Also, what’s a sprinco red? A special spring for the buffer?
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 8:34:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShortyB:
June/July of 2017 is when they made the switch to .070
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Originally Posted By ShortyB:
Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
June/July of 2017 is when they made the switch to .070
Well, I ordered my RIS II rails and barrels and things during the big DIY thing they did last summer. Looks like July 3rd I placed my order... the barrel, according to the invoice, is “07-077-06128 - BARREL 5.56 1:7 10.3" GV CAR C&P LPG”
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 9:54:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WSAR15:
I found one at DSA for $549 - wonder if its GTG https://dsarms.com/p-17126-ds-arms-ar15-mk18-103-556x45mm-service-series-upper-receiver-assembly.aspx
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:

Thoroughbread seems like the cheapest at $870.

It might be cheaper to actually build it, I have about $650 into mine from EE parts including the colt barrel sent to adco to do their magic.
I found one at DSA for $549 - wonder if its GTG https://dsarms.com/p-17126-ds-arms-ar15-mk18-103-556x45mm-service-series-upper-receiver-assembly.aspx
If you don't care about the upper receiver being a colt then it should be GTG from dsa. I'm just not sure about their gas port size on their barrels.
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 9:59:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:

If you don't care about the upper receiver being a colt then it should be GTG from dsa. I'm just not sure about their gas port size on their barrels.
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I was told .072 at one time from DSA for their 10.3s
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 10:00:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:

If you don't care about the upper receiver being a colt then it should be GTG from dsa. I'm just not sure about their gas port size on their barrels.
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I wrote to them and they responded that their 10.3" barrel had a 0.072" gas port. I assume th same in the complete upper.
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 4:09:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Akin:
It has the low profile gas block with a single pin, which I actually thought was identical,to a mk.12 gas block?

Also, what’s a sprinco red? A special seping for the buffer?
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Originally Posted By Akin:
Originally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By Akin:
Originally Posted By krdt:

It's .070", which is proper Crane spec.

ETA: I should add that if it's newer than approximately spring of 2017, it's .070"; if it's prior to 2017, it's liable to be a ghastly .082"+.
Well... I bought it last summer.  Is there any way to tell when it was manufactured?
Given the time frame purchased, chances are good it's .070". If you still have the original packaging, you can probably find out exactly when it was manufactured. Otherwise, I'm not sure you'll be able to tell unless it's new enough to have an Mk12 gas block versus the older single taper pinned low profile block.

In any event, you'll be able to tell just by firing it whether you have .070" or .082" - if it can still function with an H3 and Sprinco Red, you'll know you have a .082" ;p.
It has the low profile gas block with a single pin, which I actually thought was identical,to a mk.12 gas block?

Also, what’s a sprinco red? A special seping for the buffer?
Yeah, just an extra stiff spring. Sprinco makes a variety of springs denoted by color, but the main three for 5.56 are White (standard), Blue (medium resistance) and Red (high resistance).
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 4:24:02 PM EDT
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I was told .072 at one time from DSA for their 10.3s
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:

If you don't care about the upper receiver being a colt then it should be GTG from dsa. I'm just not sure about their gas port size on their barrels.
I was told .072 at one time from DSA for their 10.3s
Any accuracy reports on the 10.3" barrels from DSA? As badly as i want a DD, I can't justify nearly $300 on it.
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 4:35:24 PM EDT
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There is a cut down 10.3” colt SOCOM with gas tube and mk12 block in the ee for 265. No idea on rd count. Really surprised it’s not sold.
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 6:34:31 PM EDT
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Why is the heavier 77-grain Mk 262 cartridge preferred in these rifles?
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Puts bad guys down and they stay down.

CD
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 7:15:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By monkeypunch:

Any accuracy reports on the 10.3" barrels from DSA? As badly as i want a DD, I can't justify nearly $300 on it.
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My 14.5 shoots great.
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 9:47:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rothperson87:
Got the big pieces out of the way.  What 10.3" barrel is everyone using?
http://i66.tinypic.com/9u15i0.jpg

Found this Vero Beach marked NT4 to go with it.
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Very nice! Good score.
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 11:09:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JLAudio:
Black phase tactical has a couple of colt stripped uppers in stock in case anyone is on the hunt. I believe they are cage code marked.
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about 50 people gonna be rockin new builds...

only 8 left...
Link Posted: 3/13/2019 11:14:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShortyB:
I need help.  
Barrel is not centered in RIS II when looking from muzzle end. I’ve
Disassembled this twice. I don’t know everything but have been building ARs for 20 years and 8-10 RIS II uppers.  
Could the face of the receiver cause this?
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I'm also running into this.  I thought that the RIS II rail is seated on the DD barrel nut, and the mounting plate serves to clamp the RIS II firmly to the barrel nut?  mines is crooked also, off-center by about 1/16"?

on a Colt SOCOM barrel, and the receiver flange has been trued.  I was gonna take some measurements of the barrel extension flange thickness to see if that's what's cocking the rail to one side.  I did order an additional set of RIS II mounting hardware ($40).  will see if that works.
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