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Originally Posted By mra4523: Yeah Kevin has been toning the business down over the last couple of years so that could be the explanation for the outdated webpage. I had Kevin build my MK12 mod 1 upper late last year and it came through perfectly. I’ve also used him for suppressor sales a couple times now, so he’s done right by me. I did see the 10.5” LMT barrel. I understand that a colt barrel is clone correct. Are there any other variations in the barrel. In theory I guess I could piece it together myself and have my local smith take care of the build. The only question there would be what’s the benefit? Does it save money to put towards that expensive knights suppressor. I could see the upside there. Any thoughts or advice? View Quote My clone is being done with a 10.5” LMT upper since the 10.3s are so hard to find. Plus I got a smoking deal on it but I have to wait 5 months. Not gonna spend 200$ for that .2”. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: I'll assemble it for you if you pay shipping. It depends on how correct you want to be but the issued barrel is a Colt M4 barrel cut to 10.3" and dimpled for the Mk12 gas block or an FN 10.3" heavy barrel (found on newer CQBRs). Upper receiver is anything USGI so older issued Colt, FN, etc. Older URG would have an M4QD, newer would have a SureFire 4 prong. You could but a Colt 6920 URG, DD or Badger Mk12 gas block, DD Mk18 RIS II, muzzle device of choice, have Compass Lake Engineering cut the barrel down, and have a really good base for a clone. The only way you wouldn't save money is if you were paying a lot for shipping from various places. However, even if it is the same price or more, you'll get a better clone than you could buy already made from anywhere else. View Quote Makes sense. I saw Charlie’s Clones is offering a 100% clone correct block 2 upper with everything as issued, but it’s priced at a whopping $2050. Historically speaking it seems that they’re usually pretty expensive especially on those popular clone items. |
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Originally Posted By fadedsun: My clone is being done with a 10.5” LMT upper since the 10.3s are so hard to find. Plus I got a smoking deal on it but I have to wait 5 months. Not gonna spend 200$ for that .2”. View Quote DD 10.3 barrel is $275.99 from Brownells. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/ar-15-m16-5-56-hammer-forged-barrels-prod41976.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=AR-15&cm_sp=Landing+Links-_-Landing+Page-_-Great_AR_Barrel&avs%7cLength_1=10xzzx3%2522 DD MK18 stripped uppers can be had for around $750 when you catch them on sale or a 10% off coupon. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/mk18-stripped-socom-upper-receiver-w-handguard-only-prod81194.aspx?cm_sp=Landing+Links-_-Landing+Page-_-Great_AR_Upper_Receivers&avs%7cManufacturer_1=daniel+defense |
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Originally Posted By mra4523: Makes sense. I saw Charlie’s Clones is offering a 100% clone correct block 2 upper with everything as issued, but it’s priced at a whopping $2050. Historically speaking it seems that they’re usually pretty expensive especially on those popular clone items. View Quote Just say no to CCC. |
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Originally Posted By mra4523: Makes sense. I saw Charlie’s Clones is offering a 100% clone correct block 2 upper with everything as issued, but it’s priced at a whopping $2050. Historically speaking it seems that they’re usually pretty expensive especially on those popular clone items. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mra4523: Originally Posted By pezboytate: I'll assemble it for you if you pay shipping. It depends on how correct you want to be but the issued barrel is a Colt M4 barrel cut to 10.3" and dimpled for the Mk12 gas block or an FN 10.3" heavy barrel (found on newer CQBRs). Upper receiver is anything USGI so older issued Colt, FN, etc. Older URG would have an M4QD, newer would have a SureFire 4 prong. You could but a Colt 6920 URG, DD or Badger Mk12 gas block, DD Mk18 RIS II, muzzle device of choice, have Compass Lake Engineering cut the barrel down, and have a really good base for a clone. The only way you wouldn't save money is if you were paying a lot for shipping from various places. However, even if it is the same price or more, you'll get a better clone than you could buy already made from anywhere else. Makes sense. I saw Charlie’s Clones is offering a 100% clone correct block 2 upper with everything as issued, but it’s priced at a whopping $2050. Historically speaking it seems that they’re usually pretty expensive especially on those popular clone items. I wouldn't trust that anything is "clone correct" unless you come in here and verify it. Charlie's was selling I think 11.5" barrels cut down to 10.3" or something not right. |
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Originally Posted By mra4523: Makes sense. I saw Charlie’s Clones is offering a 100% clone correct block 2 upper with everything as issued, but it’s priced at a whopping $2050. Historically speaking it seems that they’re usually pretty expensive especially on those popular clone items. View Quote Charlie's = AIDS. They got the hardest dragging I've ever seen on the CRA Facebook page, and they've deserved everything that came their way. Do not do business with them Check out Thoroughbred Armament if looking for another option and make sure you follow their Instagram because they get lots of surplus stuff that sells out in < an hour. *ETA: I have no financial relationship with them, they've just always had decent prices, no shenanigans, and actually understand what cloning is about. |
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Charlie's = AIDS. They got the hardest dragging I've ever seen on the CRA Facebook page, and they've deserved everything that came their way. Do not do business with them Check out Thoroughbred Armament if looking for another option and make sure you follow their Instagram because they get lots of surplus stuff that sells out in < an hour. *ETA: I have no financial relationship with them, they've just always had decent prices, no shenanigans, and actually understand what cloning is about. View Quote And this is why we fact check before dealing with the headaches of recouping money. I appreciate the insight. I’m familiar with Thoroughbred. I’ve been following them since they threw that crazy line of MK13 Mod 5 kits following a run of brand new MARS rails. I know that clone community went nuts and their validity checks out. I guess for me, I’d like to nail the Mk18 as pretty dead on clone correct. I’m curious what you all believe is the path of least resistance here? Is it purchasing a M4 LE Colt rifle and then building around it as I do the form 1 for the lower to be registered as a SBR? |
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Originally Posted By mra4523: Never done business with them personally. I’ve found myself on their site for other clone correct items, but never pulled the trigger due to high prices. Is the gripe integrity or value? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mra4523: Originally Posted By Engineer5: Just say no to CCC. Never done business with them personally. I’ve found myself on their site for other clone correct items, but never pulled the trigger due to high prices. Is the gripe integrity or value? Anyone with simple Google skills and basic common sense would avoid CCC and that shady/rapey bullshit. |
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Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Got my rear BUIS, trigger, Eotech and picked up my lower last week. Now I just have to start my Form 1 and actually build the damn thing https://i.imgur.com/b9HMAjy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6CgAChr.jpg And yes, I'm well aware my receivers are blasphemy View Quote And fancy paint isn't "clone". |
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What gas block for 10.3 fn factory dimpled barrels?
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Only ones I have found are badger. Also heard about cle being a good choice, but in their description they don’t say mk12 gas block
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: And fancy paint isn't "clone". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Got my rear BUIS, trigger, Eotech and picked up my lower last week. Now I just have to start my Form 1 and actually build the damn thing https://i.imgur.com/b9HMAjy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6CgAChr.jpg And yes, I'm well aware my receivers are blasphemy And fancy paint isn't "clone". Attached File |
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Another plug for Thoroughbred Armament...good dude, legit, and knows his clone game. *no financial relationship, other than having purchased an LMT Defender lower from him and meeting him at SHOT.
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Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/993B5837-12B1-4CC4-AC2B-15248AA7184C_jpe-1508686.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Got my rear BUIS, trigger, Eotech and picked up my lower last week. Now I just have to start my Form 1 and actually build the damn thing https://i.imgur.com/b9HMAjy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6CgAChr.jpg And yes, I'm well aware my receivers are blasphemy And fancy paint isn't "clone". https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/993B5837-12B1-4CC4-AC2B-15248AA7184C_jpe-1508686.JPG Just Krylon the shit out of it when you get it built. |
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Originally Posted By mra4523: And this is why we fact check before dealing with the headaches of recouping money. I appreciate the insight. I’m familiar with Thoroughbred. I’ve been following them since they threw that crazy line of MK13 Mod 5 kits following a run of brand new MARS rails. I know that clone community went nuts and their validity checks out. I guess for me, I’d like to nail the Mk18 as pretty dead on clone correct. I’m curious what you all believe is the path of least resistance here? Is it purchasing a M4 LE Colt rifle and then building around it as I do the form 1 for the lower to be registered as a SBR? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mra4523: Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Charlie's = AIDS. They got the hardest dragging I've ever seen on the CRA Facebook page, and they've deserved everything that came their way. Do not do business with them Check out Thoroughbred Armament if looking for another option and make sure you follow their Instagram because they get lots of surplus stuff that sells out in < an hour. *ETA: I have no financial relationship with them, they've just always had decent prices, no shenanigans, and actually understand what cloning is about. And this is why we fact check before dealing with the headaches of recouping money. I appreciate the insight. I’m familiar with Thoroughbred. I’ve been following them since they threw that crazy line of MK13 Mod 5 kits following a run of brand new MARS rails. I know that clone community went nuts and their validity checks out. I guess for me, I’d like to nail the Mk18 as pretty dead on clone correct. I’m curious what you all believe is the path of least resistance here? Is it purchasing a M4 LE Colt rifle and then building around it as I do the form 1 for the lower to be registered as a SBR? The answer to that depends on whether you value time or money more and how quickly you "need" it/how patient you are. I'm short on free time, but also only allocate myself a set amount of play money every month, and I'm very patient, so building was the best option for me. I bought the suppressor first to get that ball rolling and Filed the Form 1 on a lower I had waiting around, and then I hunted and pecked for deals while I slowly acquired all of the tools I needed to build my own upper. As Henry Ford once said, "If you chop your own wood, it warms you twice." |
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Charlie's = AIDS. They got the hardest dragging I've ever seen on the CRA Facebook page, and they've deserved everything that came their way. Do not do business with them Check out Thoroughbred Armament if looking for another option and make sure you follow their Instagram because they get lots of surplus stuff that sells out in < an hour. *ETA: I have no financial relationship with them, they've just always had decent prices, no shenanigans, and actually understand what cloning is about. View Quote Ditto. I lost count of how much $$$$ I've sent Thoroughbred Armament. They are a class act. I wouldn't deal with Charlie's even if my life depended on it. Those guys are dirt bags. |
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I got my sling mounts and rear BUIS from Thoroughbred
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Originally Posted By hemiman: Well, scored an Ambi COLT selector switch....Which has prompted me to go ahead and start a MK18 build... Suppressor and lower were already on hand. https://i.imgur.com/CgBq1YVl.jpg View Quote Only a true man of culture acquires the can before the build. |
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Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: You a lefty? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Originally Posted By hemiman: Well, scored an Ambi COLT selector switch....Which has prompted me to go ahead and start a MK18 build... Suppressor and lower were already on hand. You a lefty? Glad it wasn't just me. ETA On the subject... who has Colt ambi selectors in stock? |
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So I already have an FDE MOE grip and CTR, but now I'm trying to talk myself into picking up a taupe KAC A2 grip and tan LMT SOPMOD stock
Is there any difference between Gen 1 and Gen 2 aside from the QD socket? |
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Originally Posted By ArmyPilot12: Glad it wasn't just me. ETA On the subject... who has Colt ambi selectors in stock? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ArmyPilot12: Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Originally Posted By hemiman: Well, scored an Ambi COLT selector switch....Which has prompted me to go ahead and start a MK18 build... Suppressor and lower were already on hand. You a lefty? Glad it wasn't just me. ETA On the subject... who has Colt ambi selectors in stock? Sure am who knew Colt would be forward thinking enough to make it reversible. |
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Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: So I already have an FDE MOE grip and CTR, but now I'm trying to talk myself into picking up a taupe KAC A2 grip and tan LMT SOPMOD stock Is there any difference between Gen 1 and Gen 2 aside from the QD socket? View Quote Black A2 is clone so if you aren't using that, use whatever you want. Basically just the QD. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: Black A2 is clone so if you aren't using that, use whatever you want. Basically just the QD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By pezboytate: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: So I already have an FDE MOE grip and CTR, but now I'm trying to talk myself into picking up a taupe KAC A2 grip and tan LMT SOPMOD stock Is there any difference between Gen 1 and Gen 2 aside from the QD socket? Black A2 is clone so if you aren't using that, use whatever you want. Basically just the QD. That's fair, it's just the Magpul stuff is so... pedestrian now |
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FN 10.3 Socom barrels in stock
pretty cool how they are dimpled for the gb tempted to buy one to stick away but i already have quite a few spare colt 10.3 barrels Link |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: FN 10.3 Socom barrels in stock pretty cool how they are dimpled for the gb tempted to buy one to stick away but i already have quite a few spare colt 10.3 barrels Link View Quote Anyone have a line on 14.5"s? |
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What’s everyone’s take on the suppressor options for the block 2? I have experience with Knight’s suppressor with my MK13, but nothing with surefire. Those of you that have one or the other or have ran both, what did you think was the best all around performing system. The hunt for the 4 prong flash hider would probably be the biggest negative for the surefire I would suppose.
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Originally Posted By mra4523: What’s everyone’s take on the suppressor options for the block 2? I have experience with Knight’s suppressor with my MK13, but nothing with surefire. Those of you that have one or the other or have ran both, what did you think was the best all around performing system. The hunt for the 4 prong flash hider would probably be the biggest negative for the surefire I would suppose. View Quote The Surefire 4p's pop up in the EE. There was one listed a day or two ago. |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: FN 10.3 Socom barrels in stock pretty cool how they are dimpled for the gb tempted to buy one to stick away but i already have quite a few spare colt 10.3 barrels Link View Quote Thanks for the link, added 1 to the stash! |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: The way I look at it, wh o is gonna go out and buy the same exact stock or grip they were issued just to change the color. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: That's fair, it's just the Magpul stuff is so... pedestrian now The way I look at it, wh o is gonna go out and buy the same exact stock or grip they were issued just to change the color. Is this the first time someone in this thread talked someone out of spending money |
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: KAC NT4 for cool factor and tone, but Surefire overall for backpressure and mounting system (and likely POI/POA shift, although I need to formally evaluate this). Both are unbelievably durable cans. https://i.imgur.com/VOV3Pkv.jpg View Quote Thanks for the review. Question does the newer SOCOM RC2 can mate with that the legacy 4 prong surefire flash hider? |
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What are my options for aligning the RIS II and upper receiver picatinny rails? I've read about people using carry handles, and I've seen the Brownells tool, but didnt know if you guys knew of other good tools.
My rail is just the slightest but off after just doing it by eyeball, and I want to fix it. |
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: What are my options for aligning the RIS II and upper receiver picatinny rails? I've read about people using carry handles, and I've seen the Brownells tool, but didnt know if you guys knew of other good tools. My rail is just the slightest but off after just doing it by eyeball, and I want to fix it. View Quote I always use this, and it works like a charm. Bridge the gap, half upper half rail. https://www.wheelertools.com/gunsmithing-tools/vices-clamps-and-blocks/delta-series-ar-upper-pic-rail-vise-block/156888.html |
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: What are my options for aligning the RIS II and upper receiver picatinny rails? I've read about people using carry handles, and I've seen the Brownells tool, but didnt know if you guys knew of other good tools. My rail is just the slightest but off after just doing it by eyeball, and I want to fix it. View Quote Carry handle. |
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3d printed pic rail bridge is what I just used for a URX 3.1 install. If you want the file I can get it from my buddy who made it.
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Well when it makes you less clone correct then yes (not that my rifle is the most accurate). Especially after yesterday's Debate in the Block II thread. Haha View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Is this the first time someone in this thread talked someone out of spending money Well when it makes you less clone correct then yes (not that my rifle is the most accurate). Especially after yesterday's Debate in the Block II thread. Haha You talked me out of the grip but I still ordered the SOPMOD |
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Originally Posted By 100roundclipazine: Got my Cult, I mean Colt lower back from anodizing. https://i.postimg.cc/VfMkc276/50-E89167-7985-4249-8-B15-625950-BD61-EA.jpg?dl=1 https://i.postimg.cc/HHDLtsx7/4-DE59-D09-A081-4-B4-A-819-C-3-AF7728-E15-FA.jpg?dl=1 View Quote Nice. Lower/markings look good. I wish I would have picked up a BM 80% when they were available. Eta: That Elcan always trips me out lol |
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049: What are my options for aligning the RIS II and upper receiver picatinny rails? I've read about people using carry handles, and I've seen the Brownells tool, but didnt know if you guys knew of other good tools. My rail is just the slightest but off after just doing it by eyeball, and I want to fix it. View Quote I've used my EXPS3 several times--does the job just fine. I think I might've even used the TD stubby QD once as well, but I prefer the optic since it's more likely to be true/square. Really, any picatinny accessory that's long enough to bridge will generally work. |
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